The Joran Van Der Sloot Blog

Has a link to a slide show with the transcript from Dr. Phil - along with quite a bit of other content since I linked it last.

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COMING ON NOW. Fox News, with Geraldo...Beth Holloway.

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Beth needs to contact all the major and small as well, news orginations in the united states and have them take out a full page ad to BOYCOTT ARUBA !!
LET THEM SELL TULIPS FROM HOLLAND. !!

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[redpetals12]

who hosts this blog? I don't believe it's Joran, anyone know for sure

[Henri]

I think that we should boycott Aruba anybody that has a justice system that could foresee the Katrina disaster is dangerous and like all good Americans we should NUKE THEM.
Is that your stupid opinion tell me if a foreigner had their daughter missing in this country we would give the hospitality and help that Beth has received in Aruba . We have many missing girls in this country that are never found we also make mistakes in our investigation the only difference that in many places in our country if they dont find the guilty they beat an admission out of some poor soul and we find out about it 16 or 24 years later giving the poor fella a lame apology .
If anybody is really to blame beside the actual killer if there is one it is Beth Holloway who would send her daughter to Aruba to get stoned. It is well established that is what most American teens do in their outings whether in Aruba Cancun or even New Orleans or Mardi Gras.Is get stoned since the availability of alcohol to teens in many countries is not controlled as it is here generating a starvation in those teens for alchol that they try to fill with a vengeance.

[Jody]

It's a damn shame that some people either can't see the games Beth is playing or just don't care that she is incapable of telling the truth about anything. She is willing to tell as many lies as she has to to destroy people's lives. That is not ok with me and I, along with many others will speak out about her as long as it takes to get Aruba to do something about her. She is the one who needs to be arrested.

[redpetals12]

She is the one who needs to be arrested.

Get real!! Beth Twitty is desperately trying to find her daughter, I doubt very seriously she is intentionally spreading lies about anyone. She doesn't have too...Mama Kalpoe said "we all lie" so I guess they can spread plenty of their own!

[dennisintn]

victims don't have to lie. victims'families don't have to lie. they don't want anything but the truth. a rare occurrence on aruba, among the kalpoe and van der sloots families anyway. we have learned the hard way that if their lips are moving, they're lying. with their history, nobody would believe the truth if they told it.

dennis vaughan

[JungleGina]

Please start inputing "Dutch" instead of "Arubans". They are the ones trying to "make this go away".

[BloodHound]

Jeez.....Its about time already to stop bashing the people of Aruba because of the three stooges were the last ones reported to be seen with Natalee. Why are you blaiming everyone in Aruba? The people and the nation of Aruba are not the problem. Like it or not Natalee put herself into harms way by getting drunk and willfully getting into the Kalpoes car and took off down the street. Just where in the world were Natalees friends at to prevent and stop her form getting into the car and leaving with Joran and the Kalpoes brothers in the first place? People keep stating that Natalee was tricked into getting into the car yet there not not one bit of evidence to support the allegation that she was tricked! She intentionally and willfully got into the car with Joran and her so called friends saw this event take place and thought nothing of it and it is obvious that they did not make one effort to prevent or stop Natalee from getting into that car and leaving with Joran. The only other explanation to this event is that her friends had already left and did not see this event. It has been reported in interviews that some un-named person was yelling for her to get out of the car as it was leaving and going down the street. Who is the un-named person (surely he or she has a name) and why was he or she the only who wanted Natalee to get out of the car and why? Was this person a MB male and he was Natalee's secret known or unknown boyfriend and they had been fighting or had broken up or he did something with another MB girl and Natalee found out about it and was getting even with him by inviting Joran to Carlos and Charlie's and then left with Joran to go do something with him to intentionally hurt her boyfriend to get even and show him how it feels to be betrayed!
Did Natalee return back to the hotel after being with Joran? Several key elements indicates that she did return to her room that night. Someone reported that he saw her there at the hotel and then there is strange male DNA on her toothbrush which is mostly likely semen and not something form a casual touch by someones hand and its sure not jugs as Beth stated that it mite be. The male DNA on Natalee's toothbruch has already been ruled out by both the FBI and the Dutch forensic labs as not belonging to Joran or either Kalpoe brother. Two questions? What is the name(s) of the person or person's who was or who were wanting Natalee to get out of the Kalpoe car and why? And since the male DNA on Natalee's toothbrush did not belong to Joran or either one of the Kalpoes brothers,then who does the male DNA belong to? It sure belonged to someone very very close to Natalee which indicates that she performed oral sex on a secret boyfriend or lover or one of her roommates borrowed her toothbrush and used it after she performed oral sex on her boyfriend or lover. Since only Natalee's female DNA was exclusively on the toothbruch along with the unknown male DNA then it is very obvious that Natalee performed oral sex on a male and that rules out one of her roommates borrowing her toothbrush after she serviced her boyfriend!!! Since it is now known that Natalee was sexually active as far as performing oral sex on as yet unknown male, there is also a an extremely high probability that Natalee was not a virgin and was also highly sexually active vaginally as well. All the DNA evidence proves Natalee was indeed sexually active. The fact is...the Male semen DNA did not just miracle itself onto Natalee's toothbruch!!
If every MB male including the male chaperones were forced to give a DNA sample we would find out who's DNA it is on Natalee's toothbrush and from there we just mite find out what happened to Natalee!! Both he Dutch and the Arubian law enforcement ought to send a batch of subpoenas throught the international court system ordering every MB male including all the male chaperones who were offically and unoffically part of the group on the Aruba trip to submit DNA samples to discover just which males DNA was on Natalee's toothbrush. There are two time periods that that the DNA could have got on her toothbrush:
A. Sometime during the Day before she went to Carlos and Charlie's Natalee performed oral sex on a secret boyfriend!
B. Natalee returned back to the hotel and performed oral sex on some male and then cleaned up and went to some other room to party with some other group of classmates from MB or she went to a party that contained strangers in one of the rooms with someone she knew from MB and the person she went there with either passed out or the person left and she was left there with the strangers and then the strangers passed her around for a gang rape in one of the rooms.

It is also highly possible that Natalee was gang raped by a group of males including her ex-secret boyfriend from MB and then afterwards he killed her and the group disposed of her body.
This may have been the time frame when she made the phone call and stated that she did not know these people and then someone in the background ask her if she was calling home. Why would a stranger ask her this question in perfect english grammer if she was calling home?
More times than not it is usually a close friend or a boyfriend or someone the victim knows that harms or kills them.

I think there are four highly possible explanations that Natalee made the statement "she did not know these people or strangers":
A. She really was with strangers after being left there or the persons she went there with passed out.
B. She was actually in a room partying with other MB kids and was doing drugs and she started to have hallucinations and did not recognize her friends or people she was partying with and then she died as a result from a drug overdose the caused her to go into respiratory and /or cardiac arrest or shock or she had a CVA (stroke) from ruptured blood vessels in her brain caused from drug induced excessively high blood pressure.
C. Natalee had been invited to a party in one of the hotel rooms and then after the door was opened she was shoved inside the room only to be met by her secret ex-boyfriend and the group of guys he hung around with and then they gang raped her for her running off with Joran and then the ex-boyfriend or one of the others in the group caused blunt force trauma to her head which caused intercranial bleeding and as she was slowly going into shock and heading into unconsciousness she made the phone call and then she died or she was then finished off after the phone was shut off.
D. Maybe Natalee performed oral sex on one of her friends boyfriends or another females boyfriend from MB before she left to go to Carlos and Charlie's or after she returned from being with Joran and she found out about it.
One of the girls other friends invited Natalee to go to another party in one of the hotels rooms and after she entered the room she was confronted by the befriended female and she got severely beat and then killed by blunt force trauma to the head or she was drowned in the bath tub by the girl or group of girls or the girls deliberately overdosed Natalee on drugs to kill her.

To much evidence points back to the hotel and points back to the MB kids. It is highly obvious that the MB kids know far more then whats being reported. What was Natalee and all the rest of the MB kids doing all that week while they were in Aruba and especially what happened that last night that they simply refuse to talk about and are keeping secret? It wont be too long before the guilt and shame will start catching up with the MB kids and especially Natalee's friends (if she had any real true friends at all and if her friends has any shame)and they will start talking. It may not be today or tomorrow or next week or next month or next year but someone will start talking.
I suspose that Natalee's true friend's if she had any are refusing to talk by trying to justify their actions in their own mind that by remaining silent about what actually happened to Natalee the last night in Aruba that they think they are doing the Twitty and Holloway familys and all the people of Mountain Brook a big favor by remaining silent. The refusal of Natalee's true friends and the other MB kids to talk is actually causing more pain in the hearts of the Twittys and the Holloways and it is causing shame and disgrace to every MB kid and the chaperones who were on the Aruba trip and the entire Mountain Brook school system and the entire Mountain Brook community.
Obviously all the MB kids and all the chaperones who went to Aruba and the parents of the MB kids and the entire community of Mountain Brook dont have any shame, yet they are the laughing stock of the entire world.

[shonane]

Bloodhound - Although consideration is worthy of some of your conclusions, especially the mystery of the English speaking person on the phone call and what all that meant, there are a number of your points that I beg to differ on. I will address only three of them.

The DNA on the toothbrush - It is not necessary for Natalee to have had oral sex with anyone for male DNA to have been on her toothbrush. She could have been French kissing someone and that would have been sufficient for enough DNA to be there to be transferred. Also, we understood that the MBHS group were in and out of each other rooms. One of the guys from there group could have been in there and hanging out with Natalee or one of her roommates and used her toothbrush when he was in the bathroom. Guys do this sometimes and it doesn't bother them at all - I think it is gross, but they do it. You are correct, however, that the DNA should be pursued to determine who exactly it did belong to and exactly why it ended up on the toothbrush.

I don't think most people would agree with you that the MB people are the laughing stock of the world. Why would they be?

I also don't think that the MBHS youth who were in Aruba know where she is or what happened to her. However, you are correct that one or two of them may know and the possibility that she met with foul play with any of them should be pursued. The problem with one of them being involved is it is unlikely that they would have been able to figure out how to get rid of a body.If you were a 17-18 yr old, in a strange place, would you be able to find a good hiding place for a body that 3 months later was not found? Possible but unlikely. An expert on ocean currents testified that in the area where they were staying, that one would have to take a body out a certain distance (probably with a boat), otherwise the currents there would bring the body back to shore. Likewise, it is unlikely that the 3 suspects would have been able to figure out how to get rid of a body - these are teens, not master criminals.

I think the guy she was guess to have been having an affair with all week, said to be in his mid 20s and not part of this group, should be pursued as a suspect. If she did come back to the hotel on the beach, she likely would have connected with him, and he may well have had some sort of access to a boat or other connections. And he would not have been happy that she hooked up with Joran.

[BloodHound]

Shonane
There are different methods used in the lab to differentiate and type different DNA samples.
If I am not mistaken the FBI and the Dutch DNA labs each used two different methods to test the samples and it was concluded that the DNA sample that was on Natalee's toothbrush was from semen and not from a skin scraping from a hand or some male who just happened into Natalee's room and borrowed her toothbrush to brush his teeth!
This also rules out the french kissing theory of how the male DNA got on Natalee's toothbrush,or someone touched her toohbrush,etc,etc,etc.
Since two DNA labs tested the samples and both labs concluded that the DNA was from semen...then it was semen!! Since it was proved the DNA sample was semen on Natalee's toothbrush,how do you suppose that it got on there? I dislike being so crude and blunt about this point, but the semen on Natalee's toothbrush did not just miracle it's self on to her toothbrush!! I would have very serious doubts that one of the MB males or any other male for that matter would just specifically go into Natalee's bathroom and masterbate and spray the seman on Natalee's toothbrush. Since this obviously did not occur,then Natalee must have put it there along with her own DNA after some type of sexual activity occured with some unknown male who is most likely a secret unknown boyfriend or very close male friend or classmate from Mountain Brook. The DNA test did not lie....and regardless if people want to accept the cold hard truth or not....Natalee orally serviced some unknown male!!

That is why every male from MB including the male chaperones should be ordered by the Arubian and International court system to submit a DNA sample for testing to determine who's DNA it is on Natalee's toothbrush!! If the DNA is not any of the MB males...then just what was Natalee doing in Aruba?? Who was she seeing and when?? The DNA test on her toothbrush has already established that Natalee was sexually active!!! This next statement of mine is not ment to hurt or disgrace Natalee and her family in any way; since it is obvious that Natalee was sexually active and willing to service males orally, she most likely was also very willing to service males vaginally as well!! It stands to reasoning that Natalee had been sexually active for awhile and who's know for how long, but it is very obvious that she had to have had alot of practical experience in performing oral sex on males and had mastered the skill, because this oral skill is learned by lots of practical experience, it is not a skill that a very shy and timid inexperienced virgin female would just happen to know right off the top of her head let alone be willing to perform on any male!!

What I mean by the MB people are the laughing stock of the world is...by all the stuborn mind set that events in Aruba happened one way and one way only and they never even stop to consider any other aspect of this case,plus millions of other people have also observe all the double versions of events that have been told by Natalee's classmates who were on the trip.
Here is one example: Natalee's roommates stated that they did not retun to the room and stayed by the pool all night so they could watch the sunrise and in the next interview they state that they we were asleep in our room but did not see or hear Natalee enter the room and they did not know she was missing until they got down to the hotel lobby!! How can they be by the pool and in their rooms at the same time?? Its one way or the other way, but its not both ways. Couple this with the now factual knowledge that Natalee was sexually active,just where in the world did her friends and roommates think or know who she was supposed to be with or in which room of the hotel she was supposed to be in or some other place where Natalee was supposed to be spending the night or was supposed to be at?? Natalee's friends and roommates know this information and they refuse to tell cause they were doing the very same thing and they dont wont their parents to find out what they were also doing in Aruba!! Why all the different stories?? Dont these kids realize that they have contradicted their selves and have made liers out of their selves with all these different versions of their stories?? Millions of people are laughing at them!!The kids are very obviously trying to avoid stepping into something!

It is certainly very possible that one or more of Natalee's classmates may have harmed her.
I see the after results of what these poor innocent little darling teenagers are highly capable of and very efficent at doing to each other when they are brought into my emergency room for treatment on a daily basis.

Eliminating a human body is just not all that difficult for one or more teenages cause it happens all the time regardless if they are on home turf or a foreign country!!! Actually,it is very easy and simple to do and very easy to carry out body disposal. Far too many people are underestimating what teenages of all ages are highly capable of and can carry out at a moments notice!!
It does not take a master criminal to dispose of a human body.

One of the real problems of this case is...we dont know who all Natalee hooked up that week they were in Aruba...but her friends and classmates certainly know what MB males she was around or with and any other person she was hooking-up with or supposed to be hooking-up with!! After attending nursing school and being one of only two males in the class of 60 people and being accepted into two different groups of females out of 6 different groups and even though I am a male, I was considered and accepted by both groups as just another one of the girls and I bounced between both groups,it is also the same way at work and I am all too very familar with girl talk.(Best sex-ed class I ever had). Anyway, I know that Natalee's group of friends knows who she was with, and what she was doing, and what she was planning to do with what male she was going to be with, and where they were going or supposed to be at. This is pretty much standard procedure for most females and their group of friends.

I am fairly certain that Natalee was not slipped any type of date rape drug at Carlos and Charlie's if the eyewitness accounts of Natalee's friends and classmates are credible. I wont go into specific systemic effects of the date rape drug symptoms in this post.
I think Natalee was just plane ole every day drunk from over consumption of alcohol.
XTC is not a date rape drug. It is highly possible that Natalee may have also been taking drugs of some type but I dont think XTC was one of them.

Joran was fairly well known to Natalee and friends cause eyewitness reports by MB kids saw him hanging around with them all week and several other MB females also had an active interest in him besides Natalee. Eyewitness reports states Natalee either told or invited Joran to Carlos and Charlie's that night for some specific reason and thats what Joran was specifically doing there. Knowing that Natalee was sexually active, and that she very willingly got into the car with Joran and left we can only guess that she did not leave with Joran to go play patty cake with him!! All Joran has ever fessed up to was having consensual sex with Natalee. What we are not sure of is if Joran had oral sex or vaginal sex with Natalee?? We do know from Deepaks statement that something of a sexual nature was going on in the backseat of the car cause Deepak was raising hell about it and did not want his car messed up and they needed to go to a hotel to do that!!! Was there oral sex or vaginal sex going on in the back seat while they were driving to the lighthouse area?? I stand 6'2" tall and I can tell you from personal experience from one of my ex-girlfriends owning a honda car like Deepaks, thats it's almost impossible to have sex in the backseat of a small honda no matter how flexible both you and she are!! If Natalee was a virgin like most everyone is trying to maintain that she was and she and Joran did get to the lighthouse and if they did engauge in vaginal sex in the back seat of Deepaks car,when she surrendered her hymen to him there would be blood stain and semen evidence on the car seat and Arubian LE did not find any blood stain or semen evidence in the back seat of Deepaks car. Of course they could have did it on the beach or someother unknown location.

As far as Jorans statement that he was having consensual sex with Natalee while she was going in and out of consciousness,he is most likely refering to Natalee's level of intoxication due to the alcohol. Alcohol is a CNS depressant and it depresses the level consciousness and effects the level and rate of breathing. If Natale was binge drinking and accidentally over consumed alcohol,It is my guess that she had entered into an acute phase of severe alcohol poisoning and was presenting symptoms of moderate to severe respiratory distress and this is what Joran was trying to describe what Natalee was doing. This is why I think that Natalee may have died from acute alcohol poisoning while with Joran or after she returned back to the hotel after being with Joran.
I have often wondered if Joran knew something was wrong with Natalee and they dropped her at the beach for a few minutes and then Joran went to the Hotel and told some of Natalee's friends and classmates and they went back to the beach and got Natalee and carried her back to the hotel and tryed to take care of her in one of the hotel rooms and she died there and her friends and classmates did not want the cause of her death discovered because they did not know if her death was caused by drugs or something else and Natalee's classmates disposed of the body.

There are any number of possible scenarios that may have taken place.

If Joran is guilty of anything it is reckless negligence for failing to get Natalee any emergency medical care.

[shonane]

Bloodhound - I have never seen or heard anything about the DNA on the toothbrush being confirmed as being semen. The only place I have ssen that is in your post. It also is not that critical whether Natalee was or was not a virgin. Deepak said on the tape their aired on Dr Phil show that all three of them had sex with her. One of the statement's Beth has - not signed by Joran - said they had sex with her at Jorans and then went over to the beach. I am quite familiar with the various drugs and their effects, and you are most likely correct that alcohol alone was the drug she used.

[mc]

bloodhound

Liars lie to avoid the outcome if the truth where known.

The girl is missing.

Once you agree that the above is true, the path you are on, leads toward "what" the(ex)suspects did rather than "if".
Remember "something bad happened to Natalee",(stated by someone who also claimed to not having been properly intoduced).

I blame the available, empowered Aruban's for not being extremely upset about the handling of this investigation. Then again, maybe they are silently lash out from the inside.

[BloodHound]

MC
I am not just real certain what you are implying or what your point is?

However, the alleged statement supposedly made by Deepac or Joran that "Something bad happened to Natalee" is wide open to any number of different interpretations!!

All we really have to base anything thing on is Beth Twittys statement as to what J2K are alleged to have said in a police statement!!
The alleged police statements/documents that Beth alleges that are in her possession has not been verified and authenticated for content and then certified and notarized as legal documents!!

Not a one of the documents that Beth Claims are in her possession has ever been photocopied and released to the public!! I wonder why she is withholding and refusing to release copies of the documents to any of the news networks as well??

Beth is only using the so called alleged police report statements for their shock value to get the people in the USA to join together to boycott Aruba and increase the netwoks ratings as well as increasing the networks bottom line!!

Lets take her lastest statements: Natalee was given a date rape drug by Joran and "that Joran admitted to have sex with Natalee while she was going in and out of consciouness"... sounds pretty bad dont it?? What else would she or does she expect with a highly intoxicated person!! Beth and many other people on this and other forums simply do not have any ideal what the actual systemic pharmacological effects are on the human body and how females and/or males physiological/biological responses are to the different types of date rape drugs such as flunitrazepam (Rohypnol),GHB and other agents.
Most people have also forgotten that alcohol is also a drug and it is also a highly effective date rape drug!!!

Date rape drugs work very quickly and they cause the intended targeted victim to rapidly lose consciousness in a few minutes and the victim stays unconsciousness for hours. They dont walk around in a daze either! They dont go in and out of consciouness as reported by Beth and others on most of the forums.

If Joran and crew had slipped Natalee a date rape drug in C&C's, Natalee would have passed out on the sidewalk in front of C&C's and her friends and other MB classmates would have known that something out of the ordinary had occured and they would have been helping her!!

Due to several different factors during the induction phase of the oral ingestion of a date rape drug,the drugs rate of absorption, weight of the victim,etc coupled with the amount of alcohol the intended victim has already consumed,there is simply no way the three stooges could have pulled off a date rape drug snatch and run with Natalee with a military like precision!! There are too many unpredictables!!

Beth has been caught in one lie after the other, and both she and the MB kids have told inconsistant and contradictory statements one right after the other!!

When Beth is ask a serious probing question by one of the news networks,she ducks,dodges and haw-hums around and then uses her standard response of "it's not relevant".

Beth in particular and the MB kids and the chaperones in general have lost most if not all their credibility with most of the general public as to the statements they have made!!

As far as the alleged police statements made by Joran,Deepak and Satish are concerned; they are not confessions and they are not evidence and they were not signed by Joran,Deepak and Satish and they cannot be used against them in court.

Every time Beth was informed by the Arubian law enforcement about anything, the very first ting Beth would do is call up the news networks and blab her mouth off and the entire world would know about it!! Beth has hindered and destroyed and tried to run the investigation right from the very start.

What was the direct cause of Natalee's death:

ACUTE ALCOHOL POISONING DUE TO ACCIDENTAL OVER CONSUMPTION OF ALCOHOL BY BINGE DRINKING AT CARLOS AND CHARLIE'S

[Grace Wessel]

Intimidation - that is what is going on in Aruba and in the American media. Every word out of Beth Holloway Twitty's mouth is intended as intimidation to get the Aruban authorities to see things her way and accept her version of what happened to Natalee. Of course, intimidation is not going to find Natalee, responsible investigation and rational thought processes may. It is a little late now to think that the mystery will ever be solved. Beth Holloway Twitty, and her husband, "Jug," and his group of frontier justice cowboys went into Aruba and ran rough-shod over the van der Sloots within 24 hours of Natalee's disappearance. They were very aggressive, rude and unreasonable. Beth Holloway Twitty has had tunnel vision from the beginning. She took all the air out of the investigation because of her lynch mob tactics. Yes, Joran was a person of opportunity, but so, also, were the fishermen in the huts, the guy in the jeep the fishermen saw that night, Croes, the Kalpoe brothers, any stranger who happened on the beach, the jogger, any of her classmates, or other people she met on the island, or any pervert who had a set of binoculars who looked out of the hotel windows, and even Jossie Mansura of the Diario newspaper -he produced most of the questionable witnesses, and questionable evidence, and he, Jossie, was tied directly to the gardener from Colombia and the gardener's father from Colombia - perhaps there is a crime element here. Also, why was Jossie photographing and stalking Joran before Natalee ever came to Aruba? I was abducted when I was 16 years old. I had been to the movies, late, with friends. If I had been murdered, a Beth Holloway Twitty-type mother would have declared that my friends did it. But I was abducted by a person I didn't even know. I do know that when people are abducted, they stay calm and figure out how to get away - which is what I did. Natalee oviously is not on the island - I don't see how the Aruban authorities could have done more - they followed every false allegation - draining the pond, tearing up the landfill, bringing in their marines, thousands of people going over the island. Natalee is probably kidnapped and off the island somewhere -she may resurface again, others have, even after a long period of time - but I believe she is staying calm as possible to throw off her abductor's alarm bell, and she will eventually get away, as I did. Or, she may have gotten tired of her aggressive, controlling, intimidating mother and left on her own volition. But how can anyone charge anyone with a crime until it is discovered that a crime has been committed?

[BloodHound]

Grace

Excellent post!!

The thing about it is...There are indications of her both running off and leaving the island; and there are alot indications that that her friends and fellow classmates form MB may have helped her disappear.

Of course there are many many indications that some of her classmates may have killed her and are covering up her death or the MB kids are coveing-up the fact that she died from a drug overdose or died from acute alcohol poisoning!!

What ever it was that occured in Aruba, the MB kids know what happened and they are obvisouly not going to tell any time soon either.

It's nice to see that there is another thinker on this forum besides myself that uses their head for something besides an ornament!!

[Natalya]

Excellent posting bloodhound :0)

[BloodHound]

Thank You for your warm words.They were and are very much welcomed.