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I would like to give them a few instuctions of my own. !!!

BREAKING NEWS:

Prosecutors just appealed the suspension of detention of Kalpoe Brothers and Joran v/d Sloot.

The case must now be handled by Supreme Court.

No date yet set.

Posted by: MF | Sep 2, 2005 4:21:02 PM

"petition the judge of instruction to suspend the suspension of the detention?" wow, that is confusing. i am so sad that these guys are going to get released. this is ridiculous. this means they'll probably get away with it! i hope no one ever forgets their names or faces, i hope they get caught--if not for this, at least something else, because they seem like very shady characters. and i hope they never try to come to the U.S.

Am I the only who thinks that this really isn't a release, at least not in the same sense that the Kalpoes were released originally. My understanding is that the judge granted the stay of detention but then suspended it in lieu of letting the boys go home while under certain conditions. Most of the Arubans I have spoken to say this is more like bail than an actualy release.

Am I the only who thinks that this really isn't a release, at least not in the same sense that the Kalpoes were released originally. My understanding is that the judge granted the stay of detention but then suspended it in lieu of letting the boys go home while under certain conditions. Most of the Arubans I have spoken to say this is more like bail than an actualy release.

Posted by: dave | Sep 2, 2005 7:06:29 PM

Yes it is like that, you can compare it to bail. They will still have to come forward for rape and kidnap charges.

Am I the only who thinks that this really isn't a release, at least not in the same sense that the Kalpoes were released originally. My understanding is that the judge granted the stay of detention but then suspended it in lieu of letting the boys go home while under certain conditions. Most of the Arubans I have spoken to say this is more like bail than an actualy release.

Posted by: dave | Sep 2, 2005 7:06:29 PM

Yes it is like that, you can compare it to bail. They will still have to come forward for rape and kidnap charges.

Posted by: MF | Sep 2, 2005 7:08:19 PM

There is no proof of rape nor kidnap.

Dan,

Didn't you once say, "You can't make this stuff up!"

You're right....

I know I tried to stand on both sides of the fence, once! All I can say is that it hurt quite a lot whehn I fell, in the end!!!!

so really then, there isn't much of a reason for people to be upset by their "release". They still have to be available for interrogations, so the only thing that has changed is their surroundings.

I hope the Holloways are planning to take justice in their own hands.

Actually sylvita, my understanding of Aruban law is that if you are in the company of someone who is intoxicated and they turn up missing, you can be charged with something along the lines of kidnapping. As for the rape, well the family has said he has admitted to sexual assault, so I wouldn't be so sure there was no proof of this.

what in the he-- do they think they are going to accomplish with release???
like get natalie home-----
YEAH RIIGGHHHTTTTT
this is just senslesness. my heart aches for the families...

The prosecutor filed a motion to prolong the detention of J.v.d.S. with a period of 30 days. This motion was granted by the judge of instruction, but at the same time the judge of instruction has ordered the suspension of the detention of the suspect.

Well that explains everything..

Pssst. It's called covering up for the prodigal Dutch boy.


Well the Dutch and Aruban authorities have circled the wagons on Natalee and have decided that no good can come from the prosocution of those involved in her disappearnace....so a whitewash....they feel the US is distracted because of the hurricane an they can maintain there is no crime in Aruba....the Justice Ministry's news release is hollow and they are in on the fix....so evidently Joran did not roll over on the Kalpoe's to get out....just one happy island....no death would be to inhuman for these lowlifes.

Well the Dutch and Aruban authorities have circled the wagons on Natalee and have decided that no good can come from the prosocution of those involved in her disappearnace....so a whitewash....they feel the US is distracted because of the hurricane an they can maintain there is no crime in Aruba....the Justice Ministry's news release is hollow and they are in on the fix....so evidently Joran did not roll over on the Kalpoe's to get out....just one happy island....no death would be to inhuman for these lowlifes.

Posted by: Dman | Sep 2, 2005 7:45:19 PM

MURDER RATE REMAINS AT 0.

The three jerks will be released and will go celebrating at Carlo's and Charlie's, maybe criminal Papa Paul will join them also, maybe even the judge! Poor Natalee's family, they loose their daughter, suffer for months and this???
Well Anita, hope you can live without a burden in your heart for the rest of your life!

I hope the Holloways are planning to take justice in their own hands.

Beth already has done that remember?
She is the one who should be prosecuted. There is no evidence that these three boys had anything to do with Natalee's disappearance. If anyone is to blame for her disappearance, it is Natalee herself. If she hadn't been dancing on the bar and allowing jello shots to be sucked out of her naval maybe someone wouldn't have wanted a piece of her.

I am not saying she deserved to die, if that is what happened to her, but she didn't do anything to help preserve her dignity and safety either.

I highly doubt that the aruban judge and prosecutor go together and said "tee hee theres a national tradgedy in america right now so hurry let's have a hearing and release the boys while nobody is looking" come on now....look I thought cover up in the begginign t oo and maybe van derstartten did I don't know but if there is some massive cover up going on why was joran in jail so long? they would have released him long ago.....what there is was a screw up by a very inexperienced law enforcement and a prideful government who did not want to take the help of the fbi or american authorities as to look like they could not handle it which sadly they could not - the fbi has sat in on interrogations from the start and observed - they would have to be in on the cover up too - jorans dad is a failed judge...do you honestly think he has so much influenece that a whole island will go bankrupt and endure the horrible media attention for all these months? I doubt it. If Paul and Joran were involved in drug delaers/gambling debts/mafia as some have speculated they would most likely be dead by now for bringing this much attention to themselves - i don't know what happened to natalee or who did it - none of us do -w e have only heard rumours and guesses - I knwo Beth is angry etc but as harsh as this may seem to some her saying something happened does not make it so - she has the biggest agenda of everyone - to get the guys she feels are guilty of hurting her daughter and because of that she will run with anything she is fed by Jossy or anyone even if it is purely false. There is no eveidence to keep holding these boys - there are no charges - if there was evidence enought to hold them they would be charged by now and we all know that. Holding soemone in jail for 3 months with no evidence and no bail would never happen in america and if it did people would be outraged. Thereis no mastermind coverup and nobody plotted to use the hurrican as a way to snaek the suspects out of jail - THERE IS NO EVIDENCE PERIOD! The judge stretched it already holding him this long -

If anyone is to blame for her disappearance, it is Natalee herself. If she hadn't been dancing on the bar and allowing jello shots to be sucked out of her naval maybe someone wouldn't have wanted a piece of her.

I am not saying she deserved to die, if that is what happened to her, but she didn't do anything to help preserve her dignity and safety either.

Posted by: Jody | Sep 2, 2005 7:55:42 PM

I don't think that was very appropriate - nobody knows what natalee did at cnc's and for us to say we did is wrong - I have danced on a bar too having fun with my friends and I was not in the least inviting anyone for a "piece of me" I odn't think trashing the vandersloots and saying soem of the terrible things I have seen here is right but trashing natalee is no better

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE PERIOD!

Posted by: calista | Sep 2, 2005 7:58:17 PM

You mean the evidence was not FOUND, because the LE took SO LONG to get moving and try to find it, partly because of LE bias and incompetence, and mainly because of the lies of the 3 young men.

Jody, I think you wish someone would suck jello shots out of your navel. I'm sorry as much attention to you as they do to Natalee. You are ridiculous.

THERE IS NO EVIDENCE PERIOD!

Posted by: calista | Sep 2, 2005 7:58:17 PM

You mean the evidence was not FOUND, because the LE took SO LONG to get moving and try to find it, partly because of LE bias and incompetence, and mainly because of the lies of the 3 young men.


Posted by: suzanne | Sep 2, 2005 8:07:47 PM

I odn't disagree witht hat but the fact is there is no evidence to keep holding them

I think it's funny that some think Americans are so distracted this case will be forgotten. We can multitask like no others! War in Iraq (check), Hurricanes then a major Hurricane (check), annoucement the three suspects will be released a few days later (we got that in fact, pretty much expected that).

Never underestimate the power of the American people.

I agree with Jody

like I said, this release has nothing to do with evidence as I understand it, but instead is something like a bail, where the subjects are allowed to go home. If there was no evidence at this point, then Joran's release would have been unconditional, in the same way that the Kalpoes was originally.

I think people have a skewed perspective of what evidence is. Just because they don't have a bloody knife or a torn piece of Natalee's blouse doesn't mean they don't have evidence. The statements and actions of the boys taken together with the circumstances of the dissapearence make a strong circumstantial case for their involvment. And circumstantial evidence is still very much evidence, just ask Scott Peterson.

Don't you think that if she is never found they cannot be charged?

the was i understand the 3 boys situation is: they are still under suspicion and restricted to the island. is this the same as being out on bail in the u.s.?

Posted by: dennis | Sep 2, 2005 8:41:37 PM

I think that's exactly right, dennis.

Dennis, Arlene Ellis-Schipper an Aruban attorney, just stated on Fox that this was exactly like the bail system in the US, except without the money.

what i find interesting is that a lot of people on the island are not outrages...it is not america vs aruba....when scott peterson was on trial, the american public was outraged...where is the sense of justice on the island? it is a fact that natalee was missing and surely you cannot deny that the local authorities have botched the investigation.....

Jody,

Your comments are sickening.

what i find interesting is that a lot of people on the island are not outrages...it is not america vs aruba....when scott peterson was on trial, the american public was outraged...where is the sense of justice on the island? it is a fact that natalee was missing and surely you cannot deny that the local authorities have botched the investigation.....

Posted by: pm | Sep 2, 2005 8:58:10 PM

They drank the kool-aid long ago.

Does anyone know what the conditions are ?

Can Joran go to clubs and drink pick up girls, you know his usual, or is he more like under house arrest.

I guess Paulus and Anita will have to supply the girls and the drinks if he has be behave himself.

Can they wiretap Joran's premises ?

From the Dark Side:

I titled this entry "Hi, Joran," because if van der Sloot's previous use of the web -- he had a blog, a tickle profile, and who knows what else -- is any indication, the young dutch man will be on the 'net in nothing flat, and probably googling himself. And before you think it's a conceit, I know for a fact, that I have at least a handful of regular readers on Aruba, most of them hailing from Seroe Blanco.

When Joran van der Sloot sits down to the computer, he might put his name in Google, and if he does, he will get around 38,500 results.

The thing is, about 98% of the english-language results van der Sloot gets will not be nice things. I personally wouldn't like dealing with that, I don't know about you.

Add to that the fact that van der Sloot was, by all accounts I've read, a fairly Americanized young man, planning apparently on attending school in the U.S.

I would think now for him that University in Florida wouldn't be the best choice, when Alabama is just to the north, and there are a lot of rednecks and non-rednecks there, too, who might like to show him what they do with dutch boys who make their Alabama girls vanish in the night. And right now, you couldn't find anyone here in the southern U.S. who isn't feeling desperate and deeply angry, after Katrina.

So, as wrenching as the Holloway-Twitty family must find it to see Joran go free for the moment, they should find a little comfort in the fact that the internet is out here... and we're just waiting to say, "hi, Joran," in our way.

is this it then? all of the regular posters are gone...joran and the kalpoes are out, and we forget about natalee :(

is this it then? all of the regular posters are gone...joran and the kalpoes are out, and we forget about natalee :(


Not at all, pm, I believe everyone is scattered in different forums. Usually you will find the regulars posting in the Natalee Holloway chat, which you can find on your side bar (just in case you didn't know). I, for one, will NOT forget until Natalee returns home or there is some justice for her. (big sigh...)

thanks cancungirl!

Perfect island, perfect murder, perfect adolescents. How perfect can we get? The fat lady has, however, not sung yet.

like the Preppy Murderer from years ago in the US

Woo hoo.... free at last. In spite of all of the nasty, prejudicial, massive, in-the-press condemnation of three innocent people, who did nothing more than take out a drunken girl and leave her on the beach at her own request, justice has prevailed.

These bitter, evil people, who judge without any proof, who have not an ounce of forgiveness, who would hang without a trial, will stew now in their anger. Get ready for self imposed anxiety and all of the infirmities which come with it. You will punish yourselves with your disappointment and your vindictive spirits.

I pity all of the haters, but they will have their just rewards.

I have a box of 249 bumper stickers (one is on my truck) that I bought that is comparable to a No Smoking sign but instead of the cigarette it has Aruba in the circle crossed out. Below it states "Find Natalee". It's blacks letters on a white background, 4"x6". It's free, one per address including the postage. After I received 249 emails I'll delete this email address.

I hope the Holloways are planning to take justice in their own hands.

Posted by: Another Observer | Sep 2, 2005 7:16:48 PM

Really? and if they are innocent? what would be the justice then?

It all depends on whose ox is in the well. Right now the devastation of Katrina is our ox and the Aruban Authorities I believe are taking advantage of it. There is no evidence, I believe, because there was 10 days prior to their detainment for them to get rid of it. Aruban Authorities have to wiggle out of their gross mis-management of this case somehow and why not start when the US is under seige of the aftermaths of Katrina.

I pray not, but it looks like this is the first step of the Aruban Authorities moving on in their attempts to wiggle out of their gross mistakes and putting this case on a back burner.

Am I the only one who feels this way?

scubajap - based on all the info that was released from the first days of this investigation, you are by far the most ignorant person I heard chat on this website.

I have a box of 249 bumper stickers (one is on my truck) that I bought that is comparable to a No Smoking sign but instead of the cigarette it has Aruba in the circle crossed out. Below it states "Find Natalee". It's blacks letters on a white background, 4"x6". It's free, one per address including the postage. After I received 249 emails I'll delete this email address.

Thomas,

Woo hoo.... free at last. In spite of all of the nasty, prejudicial, massive, in-the-press condemnation of three innocent people, who did nothing more than take out a drunken girl and leave her on the beach at her own request, justice has prevailed.

The only person who said Natalee wanted to be left on the beach also said he dropped her off in front of the HI. How do you pick and choose which statements to believe?

Finally justice has prevailed! Joran has been released. Now it is time to turn the tables on the Twitty family and haul them into court for slander and false accusations towards Joran and his friends. Last year an american boy was reported missing after he did not return a rental seadoo. His family received 2 million from the insurance company when the Aruba coroner pronounced him dead. But the boy was found alive and well in Venezuela by an Aruban tourist who recognized him in a shoppingmall in Caracas who then notified the police. That boy and his family are incarcerated in jail in America. The same fate will happen to the Twitty family. Natalee is a highschool graduate with fluency in spanish and is living la vida loca somehere in South America where they are unaware of her being missing in Aruba. I have relatives in Argentina who watch CNN.Latina and they never saw anything on CNN.Latina about Natalee Holloway. The Twitty family wants Joran convicted so they can collect their insurance money. If you are so easily to judge Joran guilty it is because the media hype fueled by the Twitty family, and America's hatred of foreigners since 9/11 has blinded your common sense. Two days ago one of our hospital ships and crew sailed to Louisiana to help America to take care of its sick and injured in the wake of Katrina. But of course that won't make the news because Aruba and The Netherlands Antilles are just a drop in the bucket. But that one drop matters to those who receive help. I too don't hate Americans. I do hate people who are too blind to think for themselves and get to easily caught in the maelstrom of negative news produced by the media wolves. Bad news produces high ratings which result in higher revenue from advertising in between the bad news reports.

Look at how American media is presenting the news related to the Katrina tragedy. Bad news is up front: people are dying, people are drowning, but hardly no positive news.

If you haven't seen the movie: "Bowling for Columbine", go rent it. Then the above makes a whole lot more sense.

Jody. FUCK YOU!!! INCONSIDERATE BITCH!!!!! I CAN SAY THAT NOW CUS IF I GET KICKED OFF THIS BOARD AT THIS POINT, IT DOES NOT MATTER BECAUSE MY HEART IS ALREADY BROKEN... LETTING THOSE LOW LIFE PUNKS FREE... YOU DESERVE WHAT NATALEE GOT YOU BITCH!!! DAN. SORRY IN ADVANCE... JODY SUCKS!

Cristina: Since you're inferring that the Twitty family orchestrated this whole thing, how does Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers lying to the authorities fit into your logic; did the Twtty's put them up to it??...VDS AND THE KALPOES CHANGED THEIR ORIGINAL STORY AS TO WHERE THEY DROPPED HER OFF!, WAKE UP!...If you have nothing to hide you have one story, one truth AND NOTHING ELSE!, Anything less than that means you either are directly involved in her disappearance or are protecting someone who is!...THINK ABOUT IT!

Cristina: Since you're inferring that the Twitty family orchestrated this whole thing, how does Van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers lying to the authorities fit into your logic; did the Twtty's put them up to it??...VDS AND THE KALPOES CHANGED THEIR ORIGINAL STORY AS TO WHERE THEY DROPPED HER OFF!, WAKE UP!...If you have nothing to hide you have one story, one truth AND NOTHING ELSE!, Anything less than that means you either are directly involved in her disappearance or are protecting someone who is!...THINK ABOUT IT!
Posted by: pete | Sep 2, 2005 11:24:03 PM

Amen.

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