Joran Van der Sloot Arrives In The Netherlands

And this blog has the pictures. Looks like he talked into at least one microphone. Maybe Hasibokus, or someone could chime in with a translation of anything they may have heard, along with a link to the Daily News talking briefly about the Porn Industry angle being investigated. Not sure how much stock to put into the too brief NY Daily News report.

Comments

[res juda cata]

From the onset of this whole tradgedy, I was affraid that Natalee Holloway would follow the course of Amy Bradley, as well as the others that have gone missing/became victims of violent crime. Soon, the terce coverage of Natalee Holloway will fade from the media, so it is up to bloggers to keep up the fight for justice for these innocent victims of inept LE agencies/governments...

[William]

You are right, res juda cata. We will have to keep up the fight for justice. If we don't, it will fade away. We should get the address for the Prime Minister of Aruba. Also, for that Ben Vocking / Ben King. He knows something too.

[NYMom]

Inept or corrupt?

[edward]

hi everyone

looking at the shango writeings.
the farc which has been around for 40 years.
we have their leader in custody in the united states.
just before natalee went missing the farc offered up 3 american prisoners in exchange for their leaders return.
president bush refused to negotiate with terrorists.

also one day before natalee went missing.
hugo chavez was out of his mind over a venezuela democratic leader had a meeting at the white house. when she returned 1 day after natalee's disapperance she was arrested by hugo and put under arrest. he accused her of takeing foriegn money in order to over throw his republican way of goverment.

when i look at the shango thing. it almost says she was taken as a negotiation chip for the farc leaders return.

i am just looking for other answers.. what do you think ?

[Bella]

I can't remember where I read it, but I understood that Joren was attending a school in Holland which brings students up to speed prior to university attendance. People keep referring to him as an honor student, etc., but in a class of 14 that is not too difficult to attain. I imagine if true that in one year's time or less he will have worked on whatever he needs to enable him to attend a real university. In the meanwhile, I certainly hope and pray that the facts in this case are made clear and those responsible for the disappearance of Natalee will have to come forward and be judged.

I think all three of these young men seem to have major anger issues, and I seriously doubt any of them will be able to steer clear of trouble in the future. I am old enough to have witnessed in life that what goes around really does come around.

[res juda cata]

Yeah, I would definietly say that corrupt does summerize the governments of these islands/bannana republics. Truthfully, I was unaware of Ben King/Vocking and the story surrounding him, however I am sure through research, it will expose the obvious corruption embodied within the Aruban Gov't/LE agencies... Natalee Holloway/Amy Bradley will not be forgotten and their struggles will not be in vain. We have to keep awarness out there of what goes on behind the scenes on these islands. By no means is this an indictment of the people (only if they allow these types of events to occur, it is calling out of the governments/le agencies that allow people to vanish without a trace and without legal recourse for their families.

[res juda cata]

Honestly, the "shango" theory is about as plausable as the SA porn theory at this point. Again, from the start of this ordeal, I have believed that the simplest explaination is the best, that being this was a cover up stemming from a corrupt gov't/judiciary/le agencies. People with power and connections, called in favors to help their family/friends. Now the suspects are free and the media is on to other stories... If this is allowed to completely fade from public awarness, there will never be any justice for Natalee/Amy, their families, or the residents of these islands, for that matter. Those are my my thoughts...

[Another Observer]

What's the mood of the people in Aruba?

Are they dancing in the streets like the Palestinians were on September 11?

[Another Observer]

I hope he recovers from being raped by an adult - stautory rape is a pretty bad thing to deal with.

Posted by: Lars Nilsson | Sep 7, 2005 3:10:00 AM

Was Joran raped?

[edward]

i have stayed with the simple theory.
it is in my blog. check out my first theory it seems to work.
but my very first theory was an arranged kidnap.
i had sent that theory to fox news on day 3 as i felt they were not aware of the farc and their persistence on getting back a leader.
greta emailed me back, they were very interested
but after they reaserched it they thought not.

maybe because i have intrest in south america i keep up with what each country is up to.i have been doing that for years.
inside of south america corrupt goverments are a normal. kidnapping americans has become normal for the farc. they are known to keep prisoners alive for years.
hugo is close with the farc. and supports them.

that is not theory that is true.

anyways that was my thought of the day.
you can go back to sleep now.. :}

[William]

Another Observer, we can only hope he was....over and over again. Wonder what his mommy and daddy would say then. Be even better if he would then disappear. Then his parents, family and friends could understand the hurt Natalee's family is going through. Sorry if that is too harsh but this whole thing makes me sick.

[Justice4All]

Maybe the Twitty's/Holloways should revise the wording for the rewards. Somehow to include any and all information to convict the persons responsible. I am not sure how they have it worded, but it may be for her return or whereabouts. It may be possible that no one knows her where abouts, but there may be people who have information as to who is responsible for her disappearance.

Does this make any sense?

Correct me if I am wrong.

[William]

Not a bad idea Justice.

[edward]

it may have become a govermental issue. bigger then one person.
if she was taken off the island, then for what reason. i talked with 3 different people inside of brazil and argintina early on.
they seemed to think that natalee would have been way to much trouble.
one told me that he felt that the police would take her away from him if he had taken her. then he said that if the police did not take her the boarder guards would. if that did not happen he felt his own girls would kill her out of jellosy.
he said they would use the other girls to trane her. then he felt she would get sick from food differences,and water she was not used to.
all in all they all felt that the sex trade thing does not work.
so i say again she would have only been taken for a negotiation chip. more then likely it involved the farc and hugo chavez.
nobody can talk because it is govermental.

so it would not matter how they worded it. nobody rats on the farc without disappearing inside of south america.

Deepak knows this. so does joran. so does paulis.

relieved of gambling debts they are free to leave.
they did there job. she was delivered.

Deepak is fit for a bowtie, he is just to visable at the moment.

[Justice4All]

I just can't imagine that these 3 committed the perfect crime. There is something as small as an ant that could trip this up and blow the case open, just gotta find it. If she was a payment, she would have shown up somewhere by now, too much of liablility. I think the Beth should set her sites on a conviction, that may eventually lead to Natalee.

It is quite today>>>>>

[edward]

we have been looking for that one thing...
josey noted that and has given us one thing after another.
it led us away .. away..from finding out what happened to natalee.
now we are right back to square one.
2 theories.
one she was taken.
two she was killed.

joran leaves her on the beach.... others take her away.. joran does not even know or care who. it leaves a void between him and them.
we can not fill the void until that one little ant you were refering to shows up.
unfortunitly that has worked in favor of those who would like to see that we do not ever find a thing.
this game was rigged..so i am looking for big people that can rig a big game and pull it off.

masuers doing favors for the farc indirectly through chavez.

[edward]

still the simple theory is the most likley senario. so i stay with that.
hope we find somthing even if that is somday.

[res juda cata]

Justice4All, yeah, I would have to say that there are people that know about Natalee's where abouts and those people consist of the van der Sloots and the Kalpoes. In all do honesty and as I have maintained, I do not think that Joran murdered Natalee, I think his culpability lies in the cover up/lying. Based on what is available to us, the timeline leads to the conclusion that Joran and the Kalpoes were the last to see her on Aruba alive. However, I think Joran may have helped set her up for the fall, but my gut tells me that the Deepak Kalpoe is the one that probably killed her (should that be her fate). He was the lackey with something to prove, seemingly always second to Joran when it came to woman. Paul van der Sloot comes into play, by calling in favors to protect his son/friends. Ahh, this is all so sickning, this should not be soo complicated, especially in this day and age...

[edward]

where is the spell checker in this blog..lol

[edward]

yes but we are lucky to be here..
now with this ability to communicate..
it is so cool if we can use it right.
maybe something will turn up.

[res juda cata]

edward, if your directing your comment toward my posts, I'm trying to get them in on company time, soo my typing/spelling might be just a little rushed. however, after staying with this case from the onset, migrating over from scaredmonkeys, posting here and there, i cannot help but let it be known that what is going on in Aruba is a JOKE!!!!! I really do not know how that island/its gov't can be taken seriously inlight of how Natalee Holloway's dissappearance has been handled. SHAME on Holland/the Neitherlands/whatever the kingdom is called. Their liberal culture/lax attitude, especially when it comes to sex crimes/currupt gov't is to blame for this situation, come on now, THE FACTS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. The Aruban Gov't/the Neitherlands are soo lucky that hurricane Katrina hit the U.S. it was there media out!!! Ahh, this is all such ahh JOKE and it is at the expense of Natalee Holloway, Amy Bradley, and their families, not to mention the others that have gone missing in the islands...

[edward]

that is so true..it is so sad ...
and no i was looking at my writeing, as i am like you at work...
lol sorry

[res juda cata]

edward, not a problem at all, I wanted to say I appreciate your perspective and hope to keep reading your posts... ahh, two hours and fifteen minutes until closing time... (or when the non billable hours start, lol)

[sarah]

Wasn't there talk a day or two ago about another/new dig going on on the beach? Anyone?

[NYMom]

Sarah, they were looking for Spell Check and could not find that either.

[Katzmom]

Oh how cutting NYMom . . . let us ALL concentrate on SPELLING . . . that ought to make your opine that much stronger. Get a grip and get your NY nose outta your arze. Even my friends from NY can't believe the shallowness of your post NYMom. Have you forgotten there is a woman that just "disappeared"? And yet your focus is on spelling; MOO, it's pathetic when a person who wants to make a point opts to resorts downcasting another's opinion because of a spelling error . . . which, BTW, can't be edited on this site. You're a ambulatory joke . . . and of course this is JMO; care to discuss the case NYMom?

[diverphd]

hmmmm... how strangely symbolic... joran walking so easy in the airport photographs, while poppy is sweating and pushing all of joran's baggage.. hmmm...

[Mark Prescott]

PREDICTION for September 2005: Very soon, Natalee Holloway will be out of hiding. She is alive and well, pregnant and married to a colored skin man.

*****Stop searching in Aruba!*******STOP ACCUSING THOSE BOYS!*****

HOW IT ALL HAPPENED !!!

"The self-disappearing Natalee Holloway".

Eighteen years old is the pinnacle of teenage frustration. Natalee Holloway is no different than her peers, she is eager to live and set her own style. She had been told so many times: Natalee you can do this and you can do that AFTER you graduate! So patiently Natalee waited and waited and waited. Bur instead of waiting passively as many of her peers, Natalee using her above average intelligence, decided to cook up a plan that would give her freedom as soon as possible after she graduated. Graduation party in Aruba was still considered by Natalee to be part of the graduation process. But, on her last day in Aruba, late at night, THIS NOW was the first instant of her promised liberty that came “AFTER you graduate!”.

At home before leaving for Aruba, she had a crush on a young man, this young man does not have white color skin, and when Beth Holloway first noticed Natalee with this young man, she went into a temper tantrum and warned Natalee to break it up. After all, Beth didn’t work so hard all her life to see her prize goldie locks daughter waste it all with a lower inferior colored young man.

Natalee decided that after graduation, she would elope with this young man. They made previous plans to elope before graduation but somehow these plans were always aborted. Then Aruba came up, what if Natalee were to go with her classmates on a celebration trip and on the final day of the vacation, disappear in an elaborate scheme cooked up by herself and her young man?

No wonder Natalee’s body can not be found, there is no body. There is only a live Natalee quite in love with her young man and hiding from a corrupt society whose philosophies she doesn’t agree with.

The fact that Natalee eloped with her young man, is quite a shame for the Holloway Twitty family who upset the media and everyone in Aruba including those three young men held in suspicion of murder. Beth Holloway Twitty would be extremely hurt if in fact Natalee had eloped. Beth worked hard and vigorously, made criminal accusations on all three Aruban boys and this would put an end to her righteous glamour. Notwithstanding that her prized golden daughter was pregnant at age 18 with the child of a darker skin person. Beth would be absolutely shattered. Again why would she want to arrange payment for receiving such disastrous news?

Natalee does not want to return to her (not hers really and doesn’t like it there) previous home.

PLANNING HER SELF-DISAPPEARANCE.

Natalee spoke with her boyfriend at least twice during her last week in Aruba. The boy said he would rent a plane and come and get Natalee. She gave him the name of her hotel and mentioned that there was a large pond close by, probably Westpunt, Westland pond/lake ideal for landing a small plane equipped with water floating devices. http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/armap.shtml They couldn’t pull this disappearance act during the day, so they had to plan a time that was very late at night for scheduling the pick up. There was also a time limit for returning the plane to Canefield Airport.

At some point late in the evening of Natalee’s self-disappearance, Natalee was in a car in the company of a young man, not several young men. Natalee had to plan her car lift to the spot where she agreed she would meet her incoming boyfriend.. So, in the car, she acted as if she wasn’t feeling well, and near the large pond Westpunt Westland pond/lake on the way to her hotel, she pretended her head was spinning from the booze and she was going to throw up all over the boy’s car if he didn’t stop. The boy who didn’t want puke all over his car stopped, it was a few meters from the large pond. Natalee told the boy to go home and she would be OK and she would walk to the hotel by herself, the boy agreed because Natalee’s hotel was not far and the walk would do her good.

EUREKA! The planned moment had arrived. Waiting on the pond was Natalee’s boyfriend in an air inflated row boat. After Natalee’s lift had driven away, the boyfriend whistled and Natalee knew it was him. He yelled: “Natalee, hey Natalee! It’s me! I’m here! He then slowly rowed the boat to the shore of the large pond and Natalie got in the boat. Then he rowed back to the Piper aquaplane and as Natalee attempted to get in, she slipped and fell in the pond, she was soaked, her boyfriend grabbed hold of her and pulled her up into the plane. They also had problems retrieving the inflatable row boat because when Natalee slipped and fell in the water of the pond, the inflatable row boat got away. They finally got the row boat, disinflated it and put it aboard the plane. The pilot turned on the engines with great difficulty they managed to take off. The pilot stayed low so as not to be picked up by air traffic controllers radar. Many miles later he brought the plane up at a more convenient height and they proceeded to return to Dominica. It took them two hours and twenty two minutes to fly from Dominica to Aruba and land. It took them over three and a half hours to fly back and land. Luckily they had just barely enough fuel to land at Canefield Airport. The plane was an oldish Piper plane, something like a 1978 Piper Archer, not a Cessna. Natalee did not object to flying with the two men that last night. *** Some decorative piece covering the tires of the Piper plane, OR water landing and floating skis/gear.

At Canefield Airport, the boyfriend’s borrowed transport car had been parked there the evening before, and now they would use it to go to their hideaway place.

Natalee went at least twice to Princess Margaret Hospital, City of Roseau, under assumed name (sounds like) Lucie Morgan, paid cash. Also she went to St. Aroment.

Monday August 1, 2005 Natalee and her boyfriend were in the north west of Dominica, Caribbean, the area of Indian River near Portsmouth, Prince Rupert Bay. On August 3rd, they are seriously considering taking an old trawler boat out of there.

This is the beginning of hurricane season, several big bad hurricanes will hit Caribbean Islands. Obvious danger in sight and soon.

NOTES:

Aruba Map: http://www.caribline.com/islands/ar/armap.shtml

ALL INFO: DOMINICA http://www.faa.gov/ats/aat/ifim/ifimdmai.htm

Dominica, Roseau and city of Glanvillia , Castries Islands Less than 3 hours away, on a scarcely populated island, Natalee has been sitting in the sun, she has a tan, died her hair black, Might be falling in love with her boyfriend who has darker skin 25-27 y.o. They’re having good sex. They’ve probably got married, because of the pregnancy.

This was all roughly pre-arranged by Natalee and the boyfriend prior to leaving home (USA) for Aruba But final details came in two phone calls at her hotel a previous day and also on that same day she disappeared. Natalee picked up on inland lake, large pond, near the ocean, in Aruba with Piper equipped with hydroplane landing gear.

Picked up in an oldish Piper plane, 2 young men (boyfriend and pilot) aboard, something like a 1978 Piper Archer, not a Cessna. She did not object to flying with that person and the pilot that night. Aruba is located in the SW Caribbean approximately 30 km off the NW coast of Venezuela Aruba to Dominica is approx. 90X6=540 miles about 2 ½ -3 ½ hours flight

Canefield Airport near Roseau is smaller. http://www.imts-inc.net/dominica.htm

Flown by a young pilot living in Dominica, does not have necessary flying permit to go to Aruba but knows how to fly,
Plane probably not fully registered or older registration

Night she disappeared was moon light
He flew low to get away from Aruba.

Beth will have a lot of apologizing to do,
Many search bills to pay.

Full Moon May 23, 2005 4:18 p.m. Sagittarius LAST QUARTER May 30, 2005

May and June are the driest months of the year in Aruba, so May 30th was probably dry and clear for night flying. Went at least twice to Princess Margaret Hospital, City of Roseau, under assumed name (sounds like) Lucie Morgan, treatment paid cash. Also St. Aroment.

PIPER AIRCRAFT

*** Something covering the tires, a decorative piece, OR water landing skis.

No. Of Engines: 2
Aircraft Type: Propeller
Passenger Capacity (Max): 8
Range (in Miles): 1019
Cruising Speed (MPH): 254
Wingspan: 40.5
Length: 34.5

[P in S.E. Asia]

God has proved thta he is indeed not a police officer.

Joran has been proven to be at most a lier and at least a heartless individual - for the stories he told n for leavin her on the beach respectively - holdin him guilty of anything more than that is jsut malicious concoctions in the heads of disgruntled bystanders.

You guys can huff n puff, it aint gonna change shit.

The young man has been given a chance to 'move on with his life'. Maybe u should stop feeling sorry n angry with yourselves and pledge some money to the blacks suffering in Lousiana and the other Gulf States areas.

[justlooking]

"The young man has been given a chance to 'move on with his life'. Maybe u should stop feeling sorry n angry with yourselves and pledge some money to the blacks suffering in Lousiana and the other Gulf States areas."

The people in the USA are being well-cared for and will be given all that is needed in years to come........... we take care of our own- don't worry about that~

so where is Natalee? Justice needs to be served to those responsible for her disappearance!
Aruban LE have failed miserably for the world and tourist to view!

[RICK]

Mark Prescott: Comb it wet or dry?

[RICK]

P&E: I already donated to the Twitty fund. What is the salary of the head of the Red Cross? Donations, in the form of hefty taxes, welfare, that is, have been extracted, against my will, to further the cause of the "American Dream" for the "Lesser Humans" that occupy the devasted area. I thought taxes, forced donations, to our government were to protect our countrys' borders. Now, if they stop taking the money I should be keeping, instead of re-distributing it to people who have seventeen kids without their different fathers present, then I would gladly help out. Can you tell me why I should make another donation? Politicians only do it for posture. Kennedy and Kerry have plenty of space at the mansions. Why don't they offer their bathrooms to these displaced people? Huh, huh, huh, why? Yeah, tell me why. Get a job, will ya!!!!!

[Watcher]

There has been many undesireable events, There has been some contractors on the island watching the Crew Joran and the Kapole brotheres collecting data, Paulus and Anita, Lorenzo, etc. The reason that were contractors on the island was to eliminate this scum however,with them confined and protected it was difficult. But now things are different. Joran and the brothers are free ........what a wonderful thing.........think about this, there are people who want to see these three (4) take a dirt nap. Easy targets,and there are people near them watching them with just that agenda. If they get hammered it's justified. Don't be surprised. Paulus Joran and Deepak and Satish Good luck! RIP!

[magaly]

Holland is famous for drugs and porn. I'm sure Joran will get more than his share of both over there.

Posted by: Captain Joe | Sep 6, 2005 5:44:49 PM

I guess you haven't looked at the US lately. The US is by far the biggest producer AND consumer of porn. Druguse is on a way waaaay larger scale than in the Netherlands. Holland is famous for tolerance on a scale the US can only dream of.

[Newbee]

Doews anyone know the email to email beth or nats aunt

[RICK]

Spell check is spelled spellcheck!!! Someone please try it. It really will enhance your life. No kidding!!!! Try it, you'll like it. SO, WHERE'S NATALEE? Does anyone know? Do you think she's dead or alive? Someone took her off the Island of Aruba. "No body, no case" means she will never be found. PVDS knows what the hell happened. The Kalpoes will get theirs sooner or later. Joran is too well protected, especially in The Netherlands. His dark cloud will pass as long as he keeps himself straight, which I doubt he will.

[Modern_talking]

So WE have to put up with the SOB and his lying dad again!! THANKS A LOT ARUBAN Authorities for not wrapping this case up! They had "guilty" written on their freakin' foreheads! Now the losers are back!

Still I'm curious to know what happened to Natalee...If I ever see this Joran guy I've got 3 choices:
A/ beat it out of him
B/ make him smoke some joints
C/ do nothing drink a beer and smoke a joint myself, just like the Arubans

You guys choose!

Greetings from
A-doped-drunk-baby-killing-no-good-porn-king-without-values*

*According to a small minority of you this is the average Dutch person

[Lars Nilsson]

Modern:

Guilty of what?

Joran didn't do drugs. Never was accused of it. Never mentioned by any of his friends or people interviewed, no pictures of him doing drugs, no lab test results showing he ever did drugs. Where do you get the drug thing?

Beer, yup, legal age in Continental Europe and Aruba=16 years old for beer and wine, 18 for hard stuff.

He is a perfectly normal 17 year old (now 18). Good school record etc. Yet the slander goes on.... ad nausium.

The only thing that was even remotely criminal in this whole episode was Joran and Natalee being sexually engaged in the back seat of the Kalpoe's car at the California lighthouse. I believe you in America call it statutory rape or contributing to the delinquency of a minor (Joran=17;Natalee=18) by an adult.

At least Dutch people can build a levy that holds water back.

[mc]

Lars,
Do you know what an ugly statement you just made about the devistaion in New Orleans? You are either extremely shallow or very young?
How about no more comments from you about off topic tragities on this blog.

Back to topic; I would say this about the suspects.
They lied many times. People that lie do so to avoid the repercussions of the truth. I hope the truth is uncovered.

[fred funk]

"Know your facts.....The US is the biggest producer of (kiddie) porn in the world.!"

Just passing through, but this is categorically false. The US has its share of sickos, but there are several eastern european countries leading the pack. There are also lots of countries left where the age of consent is either nauseatingly low or non-existent so you can't even get stats from those countries.

[Mi Dushi Aruba]

Hmmmmmmm...perfect example of someone using this blog to inflame an alreay hostile audience. It's difficult to believe ppl are still stirring up the pot after all this time. Cargirl, what was your intent when you posted the link? You missed a few words so I thought I would set the record straight since I believe you may have gotten the link from an old posting of mine. Which btw was intended to educate. As read below:

FYI...this is for all of you they participate in this blog. I want to share with you info that is available & has been available for years to those that access the website hosted by Daphne & Mark. This may or may not be a source uncovered by media for their reporting on the Larsen case but as you can see AUA has been active in getting the info out there contrary of which you are all led to believe. This case is a know missing person case in AUA since its occurrence. You may all continue to form your own opinions but I implore you to do so with alittle more discretion & personal knowledge. Thanks for allowing me a moment of your time.

http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html

In response to:

if the police had contacted buddy larson's family, they could have hurried down and looked for him sooner. is that why the apd says they have never had a case like the holloways before, they just don't bother with them.

Posted by: elan | August 9,

Posted by: Mi Dushi Aruba | Aug 10, 2005 12:35:34 AM

Your "inciteful" comment:
Check out this link of people missing in Aruba.
http://www.visitaruba.com/facts/newsdesk/missing.html
Posted by: cargirl | Sep 6, 2

[Lars Nilsson]

Justlooking:

"So where is Natalee? Justice needs to be served to those responsible for her disappearance!
Aruban LE have failed miserably for the world and tourist to view!"

Failed in what way? To plant some evidence to get Joran convicted of something, anything, just to relieve your frustration at the situation.

We don't even know if the Arubans did a good job or not, the inevestigation is still sealed. The FBI hasn't made any statements about their approach to the matter either good or bad.

[RICK]

To Lars: Oj is still free and Mark Fuhrman, the racist, is writing books. So, what do you think? Joran Van Der Sloot, with his involvement in the Natalee case is innocent? There is no hard evidence to prosecute the "boy", and really, what is he guilty of? Advancing hormonal fortitude which displays itself three or four or five times a day? Show me a seventeen year old boy who does not have this passion. As for Natalee, who knows what happened when she was away and free from the home life chains that bound her? After all, she's only eighteen years old and looking for fun as well. I'm tired of watching Katrina every night. C'mon Greta, let's get back to the good stuff with Beth and Jug. I really miss Arlene Ellis-Schipper more than anyone. Oh yeah, and Kosinski too. Couple of beauties. I need a haircut!!!

[mc]

rick
Liars lie to avoid the outcome if the truth were know. These suspects lie and lie with no good reason. Not just a simple twist in a story, with times and locations slightly altered, but a pre-planned extreme fabrication implicating others.
Passion maybe. Bundy had passion.

[Mike 1]

Lars - In 1978 two British tourists were killed by robbers as they slept in their rental car at a Florida truck stop. Within weeks, legislation was passed to prohibit "rental car designations" on the exterior of rental cars nationwide. Thus not making a "target" of tourists. Aruba has completely undisignated "taxis". Natalee very easily could have thought she was getting into a taxi to go back to her hotel. Has Aruba done anything to address this? What about the underage drinking and gambling? What about the local sport of getting young inexperienced tourists drunk and taking advantage of them. (the "pimps") What a friendly island.

[RICK]

All of you are correct in your assumptions! However, the reality is that someone got away with a major criminal act. Different country, different laws, Dutch insider protection and lack of hard evidence. It is likely that Beth is in a recharging mode and will probably start a viscious attack on this case. She cannot quit, nor would any parent. Katrina came at the right time for the VDS's exit strategy. I sincerely hope the Holloways find closure, but I doubt if there will ever be peace.

[mc]

mark p.
you really should cut the doses back by at least half.

[cricket]

You don't need to be a specilist in Law to know that this investigation has been a cover up from the very beginning. Paul Van dersloot being on the flag pile of law officals didnot help the case at at. Reportly VDS God Father was a member of the aruba police department don't you think that is a conflict of interest. What went wrong is not the issue a resolution is important for the family of Natalee Holloway. They may never be able to bring her home but have justice prevail would give tem some closure

[Lars Nilsson]

Rick,

Not sure what you mean - I was quoting 'Justlooking' in the first part of my statement.

I don't think Joran did anything to Natalee. He lied in the beginning about dropping her off at the hotel but that may have been just to avoid getting tangled up in an investigation and thought by the time they get around to looking into things deeper Natalee will have shown up again and noone would have been the wiser. Well she didn't show back up and he screwed himself as far as getting caught up in the investigation and media shower.

As far as we've been allowed to know from the investigative team, he and the Kalpoe's 'came clean' by saying they dropped Joran and Natalee off at the Mariott beach and Joran went on to say that he left her there and went home.

As to all these other stories about lies upon lies and so on - where is this information coming from. The investigative team doesn't give out info - so where are they coming from and how valid are they. I'd like to see a timeline list of information we have, where the info came from, and how it has been used by the investigative team. Might do that myself....