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Is It Time For Blanco To Go?
Hell yeah..YESTERDAY WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN TOO SOON!!

Last week?

YEAH..FloridaPatty...Last week woudl have been good too ! :O)
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The straw that broke the camels back !! UNREAL!
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http://www.jasoncoleman.com/BlogArchives/2005/09/blancos_insurre.html

Yes, Gov. Blanco should go and take Mayor Nagin with her. Not only are they incompetent, they are fools and liars.

Compared to the leadership of the governors of Alabama and Mississippi, who have been at the helm personally leading their affected constituents out of the quagmire aftermath of the hurricane, she has truly been acting like a lower echelon employee waiting on instructions from her supervisor. She seemingly hasn't a clue as to what she should do or should have done.

She seemingly hasn't a clue as to what she should do or should have done.

Posted by: AlaMala | Sep 10, 2005 12:41:23 AM

I couldn't agree more!

Dan,

I have to say there are some BIG issues here.

Isanah -- my inclination - yes - but who to replace them with???

Isanah -- my inclination - yes - but who to replace them with???


Posted by: AkekoaHoAlethia | Sep 10, 2005 3:03:49 AM

Good question! I wonder how much longer their terms will be. I'm starting to believe an eagle scout could have done a better job! lol! At least they can do is eventually take some responsibility for not enacting their evacuation plans that are clearly written out and the lack of not utilizing those buses!

Both La. Governor and N.O. mayor should go. They let politics interfere with evacuation.

She was mad at him for not supporting her when she was running for Gov., she supposedly said, "he will pay hell for that."

And their fighting still goes on.

I agree. Gov. Blanco needs to go. Both mayor and governor could have used all of those ruined buses to get the people out of New Orleans. They could not make a decision or take charge. Now they try to put blame on the federal gov't. This country would have gone nuts if the president had gone in and took over a democratic governor's duties.

Blanco needs to go

I agree. Bush has to go. The installment of an unqualified FEMA director has caused the lives of americans. Great job by Gov. Blanco, and the Mayor of New Orleans for keeping the body count low, by keeping the pressure on during the crisis. My condolences to Trent Lott and all the MS/AL republican officals who placed their faith in the Bush administration response. Maybe some day Trent Lott will get his trailers from GA. Looks like the body count will be higher in those areas, than New Orleans :(

I agree that the poster below needs to go.
They can take BLANCO WITH THEM. !!!!!

Posted by: okoj | Sep 10, 2005 12:21:22 PM

How can anybody say Blanco and Nagin did a good job????? Their political fight caused many deaths. Neither one of them should be considered a leader. I have a question I hope someone can answer: If all Mike Brown had to do to be appointed Head of FEMA was be a college roomate of a friend of George Bush, who was Michael Chertoff's roomate? What are his credentials? I think they all should be held accountable for all the deaths starting at the very top. All their actions are unforgivable.

http://www.cityofno.com/portal.aspx?portal=46&tabid=26

Interesting read. The rest of the site is also informative. The City had a plan and training. It is going to take a while before everyone figures out what happened.

Not only Blanco.

I'd like to see the following join Brown:

Blanco
Nagin
Bush
Brown
Chertoff

Let this be a message to politicians.

no one should have depended on the mayor,governor,are the federal gov.thats the problem now,to many there depends on the gov. to take care of them.they told them to get out.it starts with you personally, take charge of your life,dont depend on anyone,i don,t.

no one should have depended on the mayor,governor,are the federal gov.thats the problem now,to many there depends on the gov. to take care of them.they told them to get out.it starts with you personally, take charge of your life,dont depend on anyone,i don,t.

Posted by: Ron | Sep 10, 2005 5:25:56 PM
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I do agree that the warnings should have been heeded, though you shouldn't assume that it was easy for all to evacuate. But that doesn't justify poor planning, neglect in the rescue process, and the corruption that starts with Bush and the Republicans at the top and pervades throughout the political process all the way down to the crooked Democratic machines that run Louisiana and New Orleans.

Government IS us, or should be us. We've elected those officials (and by extension their appointees) to represent us and protect us and plan wisely for us because they ARE us, and if they can't do it then it is our job to get rid of them and replace them with people who can.

I agree. Bush has to go. The installment of an unqualified FEMA director has caused the lives of americans. Great job by Gov. Blanco, and the Mayor of New Orleans for keeping the body count low, by keeping the pressure on during the crisis. My condolences to Trent Lott and all the MS/AL republican officals who placed their faith in the Bush administration response. Maybe some day Trent Lott will get his trailers from GA. Looks like the body count will be higher in those areas, than New Orleans :(

Posted by: okoj | Sep 10, 2005 12:21:22 PM

Is this person for real???? Do some research and read about the Comprehensive Emergency Hurricane Plan that was in place for the City of NO and the State of LA. Guess what -- the Mayor did not follow it. The Governor did not follow it. Blame Bush/Brown all you want, the initial responsibility is with the Mayor/Governor, period!

They new for days prior to Sunday that this hurricane was going to hit and they also knew that the majority of the people within the city of NO were poverty level or lower, had no means of transportation and many were sick/infirm and they had the unmitigated gall to ignore their plight just because the hurricane might not really hit NO as many had in the past.

Read about the crime statistics within the Police Department of NO and the dozens of officers and ex-police chiefs who are in jail because of corruption. Believe me if you do the research it isn't pretty and the blame should be laid right at their feet.

I'm sick and tired of hearing every bleeding heart liberal saying that some government agency should have done this or should have done that -- but if you saw the 70-year-old lady on TV the other night who said she welcomed a 'hand-up' but she has never asked for a 'hand-out' in her entire life and she has worked all the time.

There are a lot of people that need help and I'm ready to help anyone, but by jimminy they need to do a little extra and 'help themselves' IF they are able.

I would suggest following the 100's of millions of dollars that have been funneled into NOLA over the past many years that were supposed to be used to upgrade the levees, dikes, etc., what on earth was that money used for? It can't have been used for what it was supposed to be since the most recent upgraded levee was the one that failed and that was supposedly done in 1999, I believe.

FEMA needs to get out of the insurance business for flood plain homes -- if the private sector doesn't want to insure buildings in that type of an area what on earth is the federal government doing insuring them. If they rebuild in the areas that are 15-18 below sea level, then they are all crazy.

Thanks for listening - I've had it with graft, corruption, gangs, people crying wolf and partisan politics. It makes me sick!

Amen moey!!!

AMoey, wasn't Homeland Security established to make Americans feel safer? After the Katrina fiasco, I sure as hell don't feel safer. God help us if {when} we're attacked by terrorists again. As tax payers, we can certainly expect SOMETHING from our government.

punkingale:

You do get plenty from the government, you just don't realize it I guess. In addition to what you get, you are helping many people who can't help themselves.

As for Homeland Security that has to do with terrorist attacks and that type of thing; it was not established to protect and bail people out of hurricane damage.

The people of NO had a false sense of security. Because literally 100's of thousands of dollars had been poured into the levee/dike system in NOLA, I'm sure they all assumed that they were well protected in their 15-18 below sea level flood plain -- well guess what, they weren't. The most recent upgraded levee (1999) was the one that failed and flooded the city. What do YOU think they spent the federal government's money on??? I don't think it was adequate repair to that particular levee.

In case you don't realize it, Katrina was not a terrorist attack, it was a natural weather event -- no the Iraqui's, George Bush, global warming or the tooth fairy did not cause it to happen -- it was a natural disaster as opp;osed to 911 in NY. I certainly hope we are never attacked by terrorists again, but I believe in my lifetime I will probably see it. Do I hide my head in the sand? No, I get up and go to my two jobs each day and take care of my family. I don't fly in airplanes and I don't participate in other risky behavior, but I feel safe in my own country and I think most of the 2 million plus people who live in my city feel safe (from terrorists). I don't go downtown at 10 p.m., at night, but that is just using common sense.

For some reason I feel sorry for Gov. Blanco. The other night on television she looked like a unkept beat up on woman, but still she is the person in charge of her state, and she didn't stand-up to the plate. I live in a Southeastern Atlantic state, and we take our hurricanes very seriously.

The governor is the one in charge of issuing out mandatory evacuations orders, getting the National Guard ready, and putting the Red Cross on notice. In our state the coastal residents are moved inland and placed in designated shelters. The ones that cannot afford hotels are sent to high schools and civic centers across the state that are supplied with food and water for the event. The high schools can use the food that would have normally went to feed the school children. Bedding is not supplied: people are asked to bring a folding down lounge chair, sleeping bag, or a thick blanket to sleep on.

The Superdome was not supplied with food or water by the mayor or governor, but still they sent those people there, unimaginable in my state. Large shelters are not safe, and I was not surprised at the violence that took place in the Superdome. At large shelters in my state the National Guard and local police are stationed to keep the peace. Gov. Blanco should have opened shelters across her state; the mayor should have cooperated with her efforts, and sent New Orleans residents to these shelters by using school and city buses before the hurricane evens hit, but one of them or both failed to do so. They knew New Orleans was prone to flooding. My state in the past has evacuated one million coastal residents in one day. It was possible for them to do this. There were no need of any of these people ever going to Houston and leaving their state.

Jesse Jackass is already defending this mayor, why, because he is black. If the governor would have been a republican, and the mayor white. Jesse Jackson would have been leveling racism charges against them like he is doing the federal government. He is pathetic along with Al Sharpton.

Is It Time For Blanco To Go?
Hell yeah she must go and go quickly. I said it and that would be "me" !

I am not only saying Nagin and Blanco did a good job, but I am also saying they did a better job than the officials in Al and MS. I get my news from respectable main stream news outlets and Fox. The following are deaths from Katrine broken down by states from Fox.

Alabama: 2
Florida: 14
Georgia: 2
Louisiana: 118
Mississippi: 211
Total: 347

The only state with a huge urban center affected was LA. Also the landfall occured in LA, so that LA took the hardest hit. The number should be off the scale for LA, but it is not. Good job to Nagin, and Blanco. Do you believe Bush/Brown are responsible for keeping the numbers low?

The LA numbers will grow cause of the people who decided to stay perished in their attics. This is not the fault of Mayor. Even today, if he issued an order to forcible remove people from their homes, it would not be legal, and no one would follow the orders.

Nagin constantly inflates body count numbers, gets on radio, and TV, and gets resources from the broken federal emergency relief effort more efficently than others. The governor is also part of the plan.

The poor people of MS just did not have a clue how bad things are, therefore their mayors let their people die at the same rate as LA. They trusted the Bush administration, "a good man at the helm," to do the right thing. They trusted their local people to respond, churches, neighbors, etc. At least we ALL now know, that it does not work! It is not enough. :(

I read on the Drudgereport that Mardi Gras is still on for 2006. Let's have a party in NO if it is true. :)

Also just read on the Drudgereport that the Mississippi National Guardsmen, in Iraq, was denied 15 days worth of leave to take care of business and find loved ones/maybe dead in their state. :(

Can any of my conservative friends care to defend this decision?

Where is Trent Lott? Should not he and the rest of the MS delagation be on these "you know" problems!

And lastly, remember my info was pulled from Fox News, and The Drudgereport. Both conservative news outlets. Please don't go blaming Al Sharpton, or Al Gore for this disaster. I do not think any of guys voted for them.


okoi:

If you have any knolwedge of doing research into state/federal documents, I would suggest you do so.

Go to www.cityofno.com-EmergencyPrepardeness for the City of NO's plan in place for hurricane preparedness and you will see that neither the Mayor or the police chief followed the rules that were set out for NO.

Go to www.ohsep.louisiana.gov/plans,EOPSupplement1a.pdf and you will see the plan that was in place for the State of La.

They had plans in place with specific steps to follow down to the hours they should evacuate people from NO depending on the CAT # of the hurricane. Did the mayor evacuate the people prior to the storm arriving, even though it was all over MSM that the storm was coming, but everyone from the governor down to mayor seemed to ignore those warnings that it would "just be like last time the storm will miss us."

Do some background reading of the legal documents that were in place and set out protocols to be followed in the event of a hurricane and then start pointing fingers.

They should have evacuated the people who were sick, infirm, in nursing homes and hospitals way before this storm ever made landfall, but they didn't. Even after it hit their 200+ buses sat mired in flood water.

Its incredible with this loss of life and property that people are actually talking about Mardi Grais (SP?), it sure shows where their priorities are!

As I said before I am sick of partisan politics, people who expect the government's job is to 'take care of them from cradle to grave,'and corruption on local and state government. I certainly hope someone checks out the 100's of millions of dollars that have been spent over the years for levee/dike upgrades. Obviously the 1999 upgrade of the one that failed to flood NO, didn't work very well.

Well said, Moey

Thanks for the tip on those web sites. It helps to explain what happened.

The superdome was a place last resort for people who did not get out. It was never a shelter. Food, water, utilities are not provided in these places of last resort. Remember that everyone was told to bring a few days worth of supplies with them. These people were to be transported to shelters once the hurricane threat was over. This makes sense, why would you have a shelter in an evacuated area? They were just a few shelters for special needs people, and hospitals.

I think the real problem with the superdome began because of the flooding, and the additional arrival of people after the hurricane. The number of peope who stayed and survived was large. Remember it was the survivors who were converging on the special need shelters for supplies, "finding food" at Walmart, and converging on the last resort facilities. Given the scope of this problem at the superdome and the convention center, along with the destruction of the region, I think most people would agree that it became a federal problem. And it needed a quick federal response. The mayor monitored the situation at the the last resort shelters, correctly determined it was out of hand and along with the governor requested immediate federal assistance.

The governor is suppose to call for a state of emergency and request federal asistance. Which she did. Good job Blanco!

The more I look into this, the more I believe the mayor and the governor did a great job.

Now back to my main point. Where is your analysis of the response from the state of Mississippi? Just a few words please? ;)

Did not see anything about school buses. It was on Fox a few days ago. Even Fox dropped it.

NO is a tourist town just like NYC. The mayor of new york said it was open for business after 9/11. "Come to NYC and take in a play." "It the best thing you can do to help." Well I will help out NO all I can. See you all at Jazz Fest 2006. I'll buy you all a po' boy, and a hurricane.

I was looking at something else and found this article on what other Mayors in the region have to say:

BILOXI, Mississippi (CNN) -- Almost two weeks after Hurricane Katrina ravaged the Gulf Coast, some of the cities hardest hit by the storm are waiting for more help.

"Clearly the FEMA response has been slow," Matthew Avara, mayor of Pascagoula, Mississippi, told CNN Saturday night.

For full story:
www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/10/katrina.impact/index.html
It's CNN, so it should be acurate. This is what I have been saying. Should we fault Mayor Avara?
What say you? :)

Blanco and Nagin both need to go, the MSM does not like to talk about the fact that those responsible for failure of evacuation are Dems.

from Time Magazine:


The day the storm hit, [Blanco] asked President Bush for "everything you've got." But almost nothing arrived, and she couldn't wait any longer. So she called the White House and demanded to speak to the President. George Bush could not be located, two Louisiana officials told Time, so she asked for chief of staff Andrew Card, who was also unavailable. Finally, after being passed to another office or two, she left a message with DHS adviser Frances Frago Townsend. She waited hours but had to make another call herself before she finally got Bush on the line. "Help is on the way," he told her.

"As for Homeland Security that has to do with terrorist attacks and that type of thing; it was not established to protect and bail people out of hurricane damage"
Posted by: moey | Sep 10, 2005 11:13:53 PM
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From the FEMA website:

The Federal Emergency Management Agency - a former independent agency that became part of the new Department of Homeland Security in March 2003 - is tasked with responding to, planning for, recovering from and mitigating against disasters. FEMA can trace its beginnings to the Congressional Act of 1803. This act, generally considered the first piece of disaster legislation, provided assistance to a New Hampshire town following an extensive fire. In the century that followed, ad hoc legislation was passed more than 100 times in response to hurricanes, earthquakes, floods and other natural disasters.

pathenry and okoi:

Yes, if you go to the FEMA history site it will refer you to their partners, go to Louisiana and you will be referred to the Office of Emergency Preparedness for the State of Louisiana, under Homeland Security. In that document it spells out what is supposed to take place in the case of an emergency - hurricane -- and if you read that document PLUS the Emergency preparedness for New Orleans you will see that both the Governor and Mayor did not follow what they were supposed to do.

Notwithstanding all of that -- days before Katrina made landfall all of the weather stations, TV, radio, news programs were showing the path Katrina would take -- That is when they should have started evacuating the city of the people who were unable to help themselves. My God they had 596 -- count them -- 596 buses that were never used, they just sat until they were underwater and not useable. That's a shame.

You can have Blanco - she never even asked for help until Wednesday and that was pretty late.

As for the Superdome that was a time bomb just waiting to happen. The one thing that the superdome showed is just how thin the line is between civilization and chaos and between the normal person and the monster. The rape, molesting, abuse, beatings are almost unbelieveable, but because there is a record, we know they are true. It certainly brought out a vivid picture of man's inhumanity to man.

The line that defines who we are includes several things, but the one that was crossed by many, many people here was they have thrown out any belief that there is a right and a wrong. The futher we fall from that realization the closer chaos and anarchy become.

As for the stealing and looting it is totally unexcusable and the fact that there were police involved in the stealing is unreal for me. I've seen a lot of things in my lifetime, but never thought I would ever see something like this. I hope those that stole TVs, jewelry, electronics and such are punished for their deeds. When so many were hurting, they only thought of themselves.

Enjoy your visit to NO, I never plan to go; it really wasn't on my list of places to visit anyway -- I don't like corruption of any kind.

Oh, by the way go on-line and you can find dozens of pictures of the bus parking lot with the buses all lined up under water.

also CNN, FOX and MSM have all reported the same pictures over the last 10 days or so, at different times.

From the FEMA website:

The Federal Emergency Management Agency - a former independent agency that became part of the new Department of Homeland Security in March 2003 - is tasked with responding to, planning for, recovering from and mitigating against disasters. FEMA can trace its beginnings to the Congressional Act of 1803. This act, generally considered the first piece of disaster legislation, provided assistance to a New Hampshire town following an extensive fire. In the century that followed, ad hoc legislation was passed more than 100 times in response to hurricanes, earthquakes, floods and other natural disasters.

Posted by: pathenry | Sep 11, 2005 2:20:07 PM


Once again, the government just puts up outright lies.

(1) FEMA is a vaguely written Executive Branch (executive order) - a created agency that has the power to suspend the US Constitution and put the legislative and judicial branches of government out of work; (2) FEMA is an Executive Branch creation that clearly affects all three branches of Government capable of silencing the voice of the people (i.e., legislative) and the legal redress of the people (i.e., judiciary)".

FEMA was allegedly created by Executive Order 12148, which became law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. In other words, Congress was bypassed for FEMA's authorisation as well as its funding. But if Congress never authorised the agency, where do operational expenses come from?

FEMA is, in fact, another illegal creation by executive order.
Executive order itself is un-constitutional and is the same power granted to dictators historically. The fact that we have a new one every four to eight years does not negate the evil power of this abomination.

People tend to ignore this abomination, HOPING that the men in power are not evil, and never will be. Got news for you. That is exactly WHY the Constituion was written in the first place, to "bind men down by the chains of the Constitution." Why would men need to be bound by law? Because ALL men/women seek self interest first. They always have, and always will.

The fact that we allow them to get away with the trashing of that document is inexcuseable--on all our parts. We will be victims of our own negligence.

A reference to find the unused school busses issue along with good picture go to:

www.lonestartimes.com

also for a timeline go to:

www.rightwingnuthouse.com

"The only state with a huge urban center affected was LA. Also the landfall occurred in LA, so that LA took the hardest hit. The number should be off the scale for LA, but it is not. Good job to Nagin, and Blanco. Do you believe Bush/Brown are responsible for keeping the numbers low?"


Mayor Nagin and Gov. Blanco did very little to help their people. They had a city out of control, and the mayor was on television begging for help. The survivors survived because of self-preservation and the survival of the fittest. Bush may have been slow at first to respond, but he got in there and did the job. That is the reason why the death toll is low, but it still can be in the hundreds because not all areas are checked. Play it all you want too if had not been for the federal response and others coming in to help, those people would have been still at the civic center waiting on school and city buses to rescue them.

The landfill occurred in Louisiana town bordering Mississippi; Mississippi was affected directly by the right side of the storm, and the hurricane moved inland over Mississippi. Anybody that knows anything about hurricanes knows that the right side of the storm is the strongest. Mississippi was hit hard by hurricane force winds and a towering storm surge that Louisiana didn't get. The entire coast of Mississippi was heavily damaged, not the case in Louisiana. The problem that affected Louisiana that the governor and mayor were aware of that New Orleans was prone to flooding if the levees didn't hold, and they didn't nothing to prepare New Orleans. The rest of the state of Louisiana was affected by the hurricane. Most deaths occurred in Mississippi because coastal residents thought they could ride out the storm, and some deaths were inland because of tornados. Mississippi never blamed the federal government for their deaths. FEMA was slow to get to Mississippi because of their massive response to New Orleans. My hat off to Mississippi governor and his people because they took care of their own. Even in my state not all coastal residents will leave their homes after they are told to so, the National Guard goes house to house collecting their names to notify their next of kin in case they did not make it through the storm.

An incompetent local and state government were mostly the blame for what happened in New Orleans, and incompetent Brown who caused a slow response from the federal government. If New Orleans had not been affected, the response from the so called caring bunch of liberals would have done from little for the states of Mississippi and Alabama. Crap them! The only thing I see them doing now is playing the race card for profiteering...Howard Dean.

The rest of the state of Louisiana was affected by the hurricane.

Meant to say: The rest of the state of Louisiana was not affected by the hurricane. I left out not.

Most people made it out of the convention center and superdome with little or no water, food, or supervision for days. People died of dehydration all around them, and yet the masses remained calm. A testimony to the good people of New Orleans!

Let's examine the Bus issue

Here it is:
The primary means of hurricane evacuation will be personal vehicles.
School and municipal buses, government-owned vehicles and vehicles
provided by volunteer agencies MAY be used to provide transportation
for individuals who lack transportation and require assistance in
evacuating.

How many of the people who stayed said they could not get a ride out the city? I believe they were more concerned with the destination, and their personal resources once they got there. All the people who I have seen interviewed who were asked "Why they did not evacuate," said they made the wrong decision. They seem to be the only people who take responsibility in this story. Sounds like the type of people who do not trust government. Some still are refusing to go.

When Jesse Jackson was on Fox, Hannity sprung the Bus issue on him. Jesse had hired a fleet of busses to evacuate Xavier students to Chicago. He said on the way down he saw plenty of busses availiable. If I remember correctly, one young man took one of the busses and drove it to the astrodome. He is the new hero of New Orleans. What was missing was a plan.

What was missing, and it shows up as in the LA emergency plan, is a plan that handles the complete destruction of the region. That is a federal problem. Blanco just mentioned that 64,000 people were evacuated out NO after the storm. The LA plan just deals with pre-huricane evacuations, and a return to normal operations.

Blanco was just on Fox to thank Texas for their help. She mentioned that the uneffected part of LA are at twice the population capacity, and help by other states was critical. Thank you Texas! :)

The plan was followed. I think there will be plenty of debate about the federal response to this major disaster. Maybe we should just be a collection of states????

Moey. Sorry that you will not visit New Orleans. Are you going to stay clear of Chicago, New York, and Miami also? I'll drink a huricane for you.

So I answered your concerns. Can I get ANY of my new conservative friends to give me their feeling about the other mayors and governors in the region? Just a few words. It won't hurt. I tell you what, I won't even reply. Honest!

okoi:
"and yet the masses remained calm." What have you been smoking???? Have you seen the pictures of what was done by the people in the dome? I think you need new glasses!

When I visit Chicago, New York and Miami, you bet your sweet bippy there are areas I stay out of. JUST AS I WOULD do in NO -- its no secret that tourists are warned loud and clear to stay out of well defined areas of the city.

If you think Blanco and company are doing such a bang up job, move to NOLA - you can have it. There are thousands who used to live there who won't be going back.

I don't have any concerns about what happened, I can do my own research and I don't read only one side of an issue.

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