Ian Has The Video

Natalee Holloway's mother on A Current Affair.

On A Current Affair Beth Twitty was shown the full interview with Joran van der Sloot. Beth pointed out all the lies and misconceptions in Joran’s statements. Twitty also explained that the FBI was NEVER involved in the investigation because the Aruban government wouldn’t allow it.

I assume she's using the bogus statements that never were that were produced by Jossy Mansur as the basis for her position. Old Jossy sure has been MIA since the election, now hasn't he? What do you suppose THAT was all about, all you Jossy fans? And I shouldn't have to point out that we couldn't and wouldn't allow any other nation's investigatory bureau become involved in an investigation here, either - short of an observation and advisory role. I suspect the journalists at A Current Affair will conveniently forget to point that fact out.

Comments

[Letshelp]

You guys really need to wake up.

Beth Twitty is not the compulsive liar in this story.

Why would she make up out of whole cloth the fact that Joran described Natalee's underclothes?

She wouldn't.

He described them.

Why would Beth, Dave and TJ Ward all say that Joran admitted having SEX with Natalee if this was a lie?

They wouldn't.

It is Joran van der Sloot who is the liar.

And please for goodness sakes stop with the Deepak's tape is a FAKE angle.

He called her a slut plain and simple.

There is no way around it, no way to white wash it. No way to make it something innocent or nice.

Dr. Phil did not air a FAKE tape or else he would be getting sued by Deepak Kalpoe as we speak.

The 3 amigos are liars of the first order.

[sol rosenberg]

If anyone on this site has kids...and allows them to travel to Aruba....(fill in the rest).

Sol gives the Aruban Govt. the finger.

This isn't over yet.

[MomGotItGoin'On]

I don't think it's FAKE, Letshelp, I think that it was "creatively edited" for the sake of good ratings which worked. It was replayed here in B'ham after the 10P news on the CBS affiliate and won it's time period - that's on a replay. I guess no one ever said they were stupid.

[Donna]

Kelargogirl said:

Innocent people do not make up lie upon lie. They are the LAST three to be seen with Natalee. There are no other leads, because there is no where else to go!

So, again, I respectfully disagree with you.

My reply:
Just because those 3 were the last KNOWN to be seen with her, DOESN'T mean those 3 were the last to have seen her. Understand? What happened after Joran left her on that beach? Could it be JUST possible that someone ELSE is responsible for her disappearance? THERE is not physical or forensic EVIDENCE to prove they had anything to do with her disapperance. Nothing, nada, zilch. And you can't wash off incriminating evidence, such as blood or bodily fluids..NO matter how you try. Luminol will pick up blood, or other test can pick up vomit, or bodily fluids. Its called DNA...and you can't simply wash DNA away.

[Donna]

Dan Said:
Old Jossy sure has been MIA since the election, now hasn't he?

My reply to Dan:

Wasn't Jossy Mansur admitted into the hospital with chest pains? When people have death knocking at their door, a message from above, so to speak, to straightened up your life. Maybe he took a good look at himself after that, and didn't like what he was seeing? Or it could just be a goodole fashioned case of Karma.

[keylargogirl]

Donna,

Maybe I could entertain that though if those three haven't lied through their teeth since the beginning. Don't forget they tried to frame three innocent black men in one of their many stories. I just feel that if someone has nothing to hide, there is no reason to lie, especially to the extent that they have.

So to answer your question, yes, maybe someone else could have got ahold of Natalee IF in fact you believe one of the many stories they made up, BUT because of the lies, I don't think that is the case. As was mentioned in the beginning by one of the suspects, " Something bad happened". Well, I think we all know that. NOw if they would just finally tell us what that something was, there maybe Natalee can be brought back home to her family.

[Letshelp]

You can wash blood, vomit and semen off of the human body....certainly 10 days is plenty of time.

As far as getting fluids out of the car, blood they most likely couldn't get rid of but other fluids could be erased or contaminated beyond recognition with cleaning fluid as may have happened here....you can actually get rid of just about everything BUT blood by cleaning.

Joran's interview does make me wonder if it isn't Deepak that is the real killer here....his comments about Natalee were certainly SUBSTANTIALLY more angry and evil...which would seem to track to his level of culpability, either that or van der Sloot really is a sociopath which I tend to doubt....he's just an arrogant brat who got in over his head.

[MaddyMappo]

RE: 48 hrs, in most states. Get real folks, this is not the girl's state or even country of residence - this is a holiday resort area where an 18 yr old girl on her last night out went missing. Cicumstances mean everything. The police are WELL AWARE that girls on their last night out at a resort are at their most vulnerable to attack. THIS IS A RESORT ISLAND, the police know that girls get raped just before they have to catch a plane out and that in their shock and dispair they board the plane in a stupor and when they get home they try to lock out what happened like some nightmare. AND the "everyone lies" defense is duplicitous and rotten to its very core. This lie was not about playing hooky or smoking marijuana. This was a lie about a human being who was left,allegedly on a beach drunk and vulnerable and who is now missing. Not only that, but it is not a personal white lie, Juran went so far as to draw his two friends into a conspiracy of lies about this poor girl. This lie interfered with the investigation of a missing person. He didn't just "say" something as a natural reaction, he and his friends thought about it and wrote a script. And there was so little regard or concern for this girl's life that when the truth came out, it was not from Juran who said he actually left her alone, but from one of the Kalpoe brothers. And even then it was not because he wanted to help the police find Natalee nor because he felt pity for her suffering family, but only because he found that he liked one of the accused security guards he met in jail and wanted to help him out. None of these boys has for one moment shown a drop of any remorse or respect for Natalee. The three of them continue to dehumanize and demean her and that is what is most damning. Because in order to absolve oneself of feeling guilt for harming another, people tend to
blame the victim and to distance themselves from the victim. Hence, Juran's statement about not even knowing who Natalee Holloway was. Besides his statement being gratuitus in its cruelty to her family - it belies absolute mental hardness and determination to sever her from his emotional self.
If it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck - its a duck. Sure anything could have happened, and as long as there is no body there is no case. But one thing is guilt by trial and another is a reasonable person absolving these boys in their mind when their attitude and actions smell like N.O. 5 days after Katrina. If they had been honest and forthright from the beginning, even then there would be question, but considering how they have conducted themselves since then, there is little reason to find these guys credible even if not chargeable.

[c]

He called her a slut plain and simple.

Posted by: Letshelp | Sep 28, 2005 11:22:55 AM

Just because he called her a slut, this means that Deepak raped her or killed her ?

[c]

Posted by: Letshelp | Sep 28, 2005 11:22:55 AM

Just because he called her slut, does that mean that he (deeapak) raped her and killed her.

and do you know the long process of sueing someone ....?

[Letshelp]

Like I said, wake up, if Deepak was suing Dr. Phil for the tape we would have heard about it.

As far as calling her a slut, MADDYMAPO has it pegged exactly right, the only reason you would call a missing, dead girl who you are suspected of raping and killing a slut is because of an OVERWHELMING need to demean and degrade her, to make her 'deserving' of the way you treated her....hence, she was a slut who 'deserved' to be gang raped.....and that is how Deepak rationalizes his actions.

If Deepak is innocent of harming Natalee what reason would he have to need to degrade her memory by calling her a slut?

NONE.

There is only one reason for his disgusting comments about her....he is guilty of harming her and treating her like a piece of trash so he needs to keep believing and saying to himself that she was a piece of trash.

I've pretty much stopped posting about this case because there isnt' anything new and its the same old song and dance....even when new, more damming information comes out, like the Deepak tape the apologists for the suspects just discount it...oh, the tape was "edited"....news flash....every interview that isn't conducted live that you have ever seen on TV has been edited.

[Viva America]

Like I said, wake up, if Deepak was suing Dr. Phil for the tape we would have heard about it.

Posted by: Letshelp | Sep 28, 2005 12:19:55 PM

Why don't you wake up and think about the option that Deepak may never have known he was taped ánd that is would be used on that stupid show from Dr. Phil.

[Viva America]

He may even not have known it got aired. What do you think of that?

[thelurkmeister]

the tape was "edited"....news flash....every interview that isn't conducted live that you have ever seen on TV has been edited.

Posted by: Letshelp | Sep 28

OK. How about "edited to further their agenda"

Does that work for you?

[Letshelp]

I think that is pretty stupid.

His OWN MOTHER was interviewed by Dr. Phil's show and tried to get the tape back once she realized that saying lying was normal wasn't going to go over too well in the US..

So you think that Deepak doesn't know the tape aired? Deepak is sitting in Aruba with his lying mother and he knows nothing of the Dr. Phil program or the tape?

And the point isn't the tape but the statements he made.

The point is calling Natalee a slut months after she went missing is extremely indicative of a guilty conscience and text book behavior of a rapist.

[Donna]

Donna,

Maybe I could entertain that though if those three haven't lied through their teeth since the beginning. Don't forget they tried to frame three innocent black men in one of their many stories. I just feel that if someone has nothing to hide, there is no reason to lie, especially to the extent that they have.

So to answer your question, yes, maybe someone else could have got ahold of Natalee IF in fact you believe one of the many stories they made up, BUT because of the lies, I don't think that is the case. As was mentioned in the beginning by one of the suspects, " Something bad happened". Well, I think we all know that. NOw if they would just finally tell us what that something was, there maybe Natalee can be brought back home to her family.

Posted by: keylargogirl | Sep 28, 2005 11:38:21 AM

Lied through their teeth? They told ONE lie. Yes in a case like this ONE lie is to much. But when it came down to it, they TOLD the authorities the truth. They could of stuck to that lie, they let her out at her hotel.......but they didn't.

We don't know where that "something bad happened" quote came from. We don't have substainiated proof it was EVER said. Or what CONTEXT it was said in.

And possibly, that Joran, Deepak, and Satish do NOT hold those answers as to where she is or what happened to her.

[Letshelp]

Donna,

Yes, lying through their teeth.

They've variously said:

-They all three had sex with her.
-None of them had sex with her.
-Joran only had sex with her.
-They went to the lighthouse then the hotel.
-They went to the lighthouse then the beach
-They went to Joran's house.
-Joran walked home from the beach.
-Joran got a ride from Deepak from the beach.
-Joran got a ride from Satish from the beach.
....

And this is just the tip of the ice berg

[thelurkmeister]

IMHO, Deepak's statements are indicative of a highly pissed-off and bitter kid who has been jailed, accused, hounded, and harrassed for something he probably had only peripheral involvement in, if that.

Of course, to accept this theory, you also have to accept the tape as genuine - not edited.

[c]

hence, she was a slut who 'deserved' to be gang raped.....and that is how Deepak rationalizes his actions.
Posted by: Letshelp | Sep 28, 2005 12:19:55 PM

"gang raped" who has always used these words.
If Ms. Holloway and her lawyers. They are the only ones who keep on mentioning that....

Kalpoes never said they had sex with her.

[Letshelp]

Hmmm,

What did Natalee Holloway ever do to Deepak that he is so angry and bitter he calls her slut?

If he's innocent, then he met an American girl who was out to party, they had a wild night and he left her, no harm done.

Natalee has never accused Deepak of anything, she's dead, remember.

Natalee never accused Deepak of rape, kidnappingor murder so his lashing out at degrading NATALEE cannot be in response to anything that has happened to him, but only to what he, in truth, has done to Natalee

If he was reacting in anger it would be directed toward BETH not Natalee.

[c]

IMHO, Deepak's statements are indicative of a highly pissed-off and bitter kid who has been jailed, accused, hounded, and harrassed for something he probably had only peripheral involvement in, if that.

Of course, to accept this theory, you also have to accept the tape as genuine - not edited.

Posted by: thelurkmeister | Sep 28, 2005 12:35:54 PM

I think his comment regarding "slut" statement are genuine, not sure if the question was edited.

also it seems quite evident that the rest of it was edited, especially his admitting that he had sex with her.

[thelurkmeister]

Like I said, wake up, if Deepak was suing Dr. Phil for the tape we would have heard about it.

Posted by: Letshelp | Sep 28, 2005 12:19:55

Right. As if Deepak could come up with the attorneys fees to sue anybody. Get real. Get over it.

[c]

If he was reacting in anger it would be directed toward BETH not Natalee.

Posted by: Letshelp | Sep 28, 2005 12:38:18 PM

Precisely my point, that was directed towards Ms. Holloway, where it hurts her the most.

[Letshelp]

1. Deepak alread has an attorney and has already threatened legal action against Beth Twitty, so again, if he was going to sue over Dr. Phil's interview he would be doing it...

PS...in civil suits lawyers take cases on a contingency basis so lack of funds is not an issue or impediment.

2. There is no question in the world where a reasonable answer would be Natalee was dressed like a slut and acted like a slut, nevermind that she was wearing flip flips, a jean skirt, not a micro mini by any means, not showing any underwear, not showing any of her waste and wearing a halter top that barely showed any cleavage at all....can't imagine anyone outside of a religous extremist or a RAPIST who would describe what she was wearing as a slut.

3. Again, if Deepak thinks calling Natalee a slut makes Natalee or Beth look bad then he is stupid enough that he will eventually tell enough monstrous lies that he will get caught....Calling Natalee a slut makes DEEPAK NOT NATALEE look bad.

[Freebird]

Some of you must be nuts! Natalee and her family have some how turned into the bad people here in this case. Joran & Kalpoe brothers were last seen with her and they know what happen to Natalee. Yes she was drunk, but I don't think Joran had as much to drink as he says he did. This is a game with them. Get the girl drunk, take her off, lay her and you have scored. Most women know after a man has had to much to drink not to much is going to happen in the sex department. I think Joran could remember what Natalee was wearing because he wasn't as drunk as he said. He said he has no memories of her, then he said she was attractive, please he knows what he did. "None of your busisness" to consential to we did not have sex. We left her at the hotel to no it was the beach oh after we went to my house. I left her at the beach but Deepak was to burie by fishing huts. And you want to talk about you think Beth lies, Mama kalpoe Everyone lie, We all lie! Well we know that. And Mama Sloop my boy is a good boy! Get real 17 years old with running tab at bar, hanging out at all hours of the night, has own apartment out back so he doesn't bother his parents when he comes home. And Paulus out trying to cover tracks, I picked him up at 1:00 a.m. no maybe 4:00 a.m. who knows.... because I was trying to help clean up mess my son got into. Natalee did make a mistake that night by leaving with them, the boys knew what they were doing because this wasn't the first time they had played this game...

[c]

he will eventually tell enough monstrous lies that he will get caught.

Posted by: Letshelp | Sep 28, 2005 12:44:53 PM

He did lie, and at the very beginning of the case, regarding HI and since then he has stuck to his story.

[keylargogirl]

Lets Help, I have come to the conclusion that there are some people that just can't see the light, so to speak, no matter what.

Sometimes I even wonder if we might have some of the three suspects and family members here on the board with us. I understand that everyone has their own opinion, but when the Beth bashing and even Natalee bashing starts, that is just plain wrong!

[Kayley]

FYI to Letshelp-

Lawyers NEVER take slander,libel, defamation cases from individuals on a contingency basis. Only cases involving insurance companies(auto accidents, medical negligence, premises liability.etc- a sure thing are taken on contingency). Individuals would have to pay a LOT of money to get such a lawsuit going and would probably get very little even if they won the lawsuit. Only celebrities and businesses can show the required economic consequences to their life in order to win money. Courts don't award financial damages just because someone's "reputation" was ruined.

Consequently, the failure of an individual to sue for defamation is never an indication that they don't have a case.

[Rob]

Dan thanks and i apolagise.

in beginning of this case , i thought you didnt have a mind of your own. But you do.

Rob

[Mike]

I saw the interview with the kid. And I believe him.

I also did dumb things when i was 17. And maybe he also did. Leaving a drunk girl alone at the beach is a dumb thing worth lying over.

I mean this kid has been interrogated over three months. Unless he's some Ninja Commando nobody keeps that up.

Hey and if Twitty comes to us, She's welcome.
But this is not Aruba. She will have to pay her way here. No calling in the afternoon to a restaurant if she can eat free and then showing up with a party of 40 people laughing and drinking free of charge.

If shes to irritating we The Dutch will put our pumps in reverse in New Orleans.

[Donna]

Donna,

Yes, lying through their teeth.

They've variously said:

-They all three had sex with her.
-None of them had sex with her.
-Joran only had sex with her.
-They went to the lighthouse then the hotel.
-They went to the lighthouse then the beach
-They went to Joran's house.
-Joran walked home from the beach.
-Joran got a ride from Deepak from the beach.
-Joran got a ride from Satish from the beach.
....

And this is just the tip of the ice berg

Posted by: Letshelp | Sep 28, 2005 12:34:34 PM

Letshelp.....before the questionable Deepak tape.....the edited version..that is, that was heard on Dr Phil show, when before that did you ever HEAR deepak speak?? Also about that audio tape....why IF deepak was so agreeable to this interview, wasn't there a video done also? Could it be that its easier to slice a audio tape...then it would be to do that to a video where both the interviewer and interviewee were shown on camera? Ad it STILL not clear how this "tape" came about. Beth isn't saying. That alone leaves it suspect IMO.

Before Joran Van Der Sloot spoke to A Current Affair, where did you hear, that he made ANY of those statements? You didn't.

Satish? When did he do a LIVE interview with ANYONE? When did he tell HIS side to it? Not once!

What you based your list mostly on, is spin and hearsay............what the media has fed you via Beth, Jugs, Dave, Jossy, TJ Ward...etc.

[jayjay]

Before Joran Van Der Sloot spoke to A Current Affair, where did you hear, that he made ANY of those statements? You didn't.

Satish? When did he do a LIVE interview with ANYONE? When did he tell HIS side to it? Not once!

What you based your list mostly on, is spin and hearsay............what the media has fed you via Beth, Jugs, Dave, Jossy, TJ Ward...etc.

Posted by: Donna | Sep 28, 2005 2:35:00 PM

So in other words, Beth, Jug, Dave, Jossy, TJ Ward, etc...Are the guilty people in this scenario and anyone who makes the "quantum leap" to these boys having, at the very least, knowledge of this girls fate need to have their heads examined because none of the behavior of these boys can lead one to tie them to her disappearance?

Well I am simply blown away if that is anyone's contention!

It is the FAMILY and the FAMILY'S associates guilty of a conspiracy and cover up...The boys? They are a clean as fresh fallen snow!! Why? No Proof, but the family, well they created this whole thing…

[RdWarrior]

This "Beth Bashing" needs to stop

No one can prove anything she has said on TV has been a lie or not factual. NO ONE, not even the corrupt Aruban govt, has disputed the stuff Beth has said. They have given legal-ese explanations on "why we cant use it" but never have disputed anything she said

Someone earlier posted all the comments made by Joran and Deepak.....my how they contradict each other.

ALSO...the reason why Deepak, et al havent sued is because they would be deposed...and have to answer questions. Lawyers do take high-profile cases of slander on a contingency basis....not just personal injury. The woman raped by Kobe Bryant in COL had her lawyer on contingency (because they knew they would win in civil court...esp when Bryant would have to answer questions of his past RAPE HISTORY)

Joran should change his name to Kobe Van Der Sloot...they are so similar. Only difference is that Kobe and his fans were unsuccessful in killing the woman he raped. Though, Eagle County, COL court system, esp the judge, is about as corrupt as Aruba.

Beth Twitty is doing everything I would do. The Aruban govt is directly involved in NHs disappearance (a fact which cannot be disproven). The only way to get the facts out is to boycott Aruba and the Netherlands...and to harrass the living hell out of the VDS and Kalpoes.

I tell you...these sites that are promoting propoganda against Beth and Jug are subject to being sued.....and are going to lose easily. Unnamed sources, incorrect speculation, and the like are a plaintiff lawyers dream in a lawsuit and the depositions.

Stop the Beth Bashing. The Beth Bashers do not want to see this case resolved

[RdWarrior]

This "Beth Bashing" needs to stop

No one can prove anything she has said on TV has been a lie or not factual. NO ONE, not even the corrupt Aruban govt, has disputed the stuff Beth has said. They have given legal-ese explanations on "why we cant use it" but never have disputed anything she said

Someone earlier posted all the comments made by Joran and Deepak.....my how they contradict each other.

ALSO...the reason why Deepak, et al havent sued is because they would be deposed...and have to answer questions. Lawyers do take high-profile cases of slander on a contingency basis....not just personal injury. The woman raped by Kobe Bryant in COL had her lawyer on contingency (because they knew they would win in civil court...esp when Bryant would have to answer questions of his past RAPE HISTORY)

Joran should change his name to Kobe Van Der Sloot...they are so similar. Only difference is that Kobe and his fans were unsuccessful in killing the woman he raped. Though, Eagle County, COL court system, esp the judge, is about as corrupt as Aruba.

Beth Twitty is doing everything I would do. The Aruban govt is directly involved in NHs disappearance (a fact which cannot be disproven). The only way to get the facts out is to boycott Aruba and the Netherlands...and to harrass the living hell out of the VDS and Kalpoes.

I tell you...these sites that are promoting propoganda against Beth and Jug are subject to being sued.....and are going to lose easily. Unnamed sources, incorrect speculation, and the like are a plaintiff lawyers dream in a lawsuit and the depositions.

Stop the Beth Bashing. The Beth Bashers do not want to see this case resolved

[keylargogirl]

I just wish that everyone would remember that Natalee is gone and has not been found. Her Parents have lost their daughter, and have no idea where she is, knowing that chances are, she is no longer alive.

How can anyone judge a parent in what they do to try to get their child back?? Beth's daughter went away on vacation and NEVER CAME BACK!! It is very easy to sit and type away at your computer with your opinions and grievences about how this family is acting, but if that were YOUR daughter, would you appreciate the world scrutinizing your grief and your feelings without even knowing you??

And yes, Beth is on television as much as she can be to KEEP Natalee's story and memory alive in the hope that someone can finally help her to find her child. I am sure Beth would rather be anywhere with her daughter, than on TV begging for info on her whereabouts.

Please have some respect, and think about the fact that it could be anyone on this board one day. Natalee deserves more than to have not only her reputation tainted, but also her families who are simply trying to find her.

[jayjay]

I saw the interview with the kid. And I believe him.

I also did dumb things when i was 17. And maybe he also did. Leaving a drunk girl alone at the beach is a dumb thing worth lying over.

I mean this kid has been interrogated over three months. Unless he's some Ninja Commando nobody keeps that up.

Hey and if Twitty comes to us, She's welcome.
But this is not Aruba. She will have to pay her way here. No calling in the afternoon to a restaurant if she can eat free and then showing up with a party of 40 people laughing and drinking free of charge.

If shes to irritating we The Dutch will put our pumps in reverse in New Orleans.

Posted by: Mike | Sep 28, 2005 2:20:37 PM

Are you completely INSANE?

[roy]

Dan and Ian, thanks for the video.
My take on aspects of this horrible case.
1.This was a very unprofessional interview.
2.Aruba LE has failed and gives a very amateuristic impression.
3.The total lack of information from the side of the justice system is to be condemned. It's sickening.
4.It is very clear that Joran is a proven liar and his statements are completely unreliable.
5.Beth is a master of playing the media and their interviewers.
When an interviewer is leading up to a threatening question Beth then pulls the so called crying act.
The interviewer then never asks the threatening question or there is no follow through.
6.It looks that only time will tell what happened and I hope then the guilty will get double what they deserve.

[jayjay]

Stop the Beth Bashing. The Beth Bashers do not want to see this case resolved

Posted by: RdWarrior | Sep 28, 2005 3:03:11 PM

Warrior,

Good Post!

The Bashers apparently feel some sense of entitlement, they revel in the process of sitting back and ridiculing the family as conspirators and saying show me proof the boys did anything, yet the burden of proof, somehow, does not apply to them!

From here on in, I want to see proof of EVERYTHING they say, or it is going to get slammed into the ground as hearsay and fabrication simply to promote THEIR agenda as supporters of the boys!!!

No more double standard people!!!

That's all!!

[roy]

Jossy mansur is in the US for health reasons.

[jayjay]

Oh, and by the way, I wonder how Carin Janssen determined the questions she allegedly asked Dave, I wonder were THEY came from....

-Were there problems in your family with regard to your daughter prior to the trip?
-Isn’t there a $1 million dollar insurance policy on Natalee?
-Is Jug and/or his brother involved in money laundering or other illegal activity?

Who is feeding this woman these questions? Questions raised right HERE over the weeks and months!!!

Anyone care to speculate how some exchanges on this and a couple of other sites about this case got into the hands of Carin Janssen? Some of you deny being a part of an anti-Holloway/Twitty propaganda machine, well it was painfully before last night, now it is crystal clear!

[kescah]

I haven't had time to read up much, but I did find this article:
http://www.kyw1060.com/news_story_detail.cfm?newsitemid=49568.

Seems to me Aruba's LE had better get serious!

[VASteve]

Dr. Phil did not air a FAKE tape or else he would be getting sued by Deepak Kalpoe as we speak.

The 3 amigos are liars of the first order.

Posted by: Letshelp | Sep 28, 2005 11:22:55 AM

You're smoking crack if you believe a 21 year old Aruban is in any position to sue a prominent US media figure head. Put down the crack pipe!

[Only One]

Hi guys relax, give Beth and Natalee a chance give Beth between 3 to 4 months and she will return.Beth don't want to accept that Natalee is dead maybe she knows why.Don't eat me up,just an opinion.

[VASteve]

Hi guys relax, give Beth and Natalee a chance give Beth between 3 to 4 months and she will return.Beth don't want to accept that Natalee is dead maybe she knows why.Don't eat me up,just an opinion.

Posted by: Only One | Sep 28, 2005 3:51:15 PM

What are you talking about?

[keylargogirl]

By the way, Beth said her her interview last night that she will be returning to Aruba within two weeks. Hope she brings some qualified help with her! She'll need it dealing with that bozo government and police force.

[Only One]

Sorry VaSteve,I was on dis.205 ever body have a conc. what they are thinking what couldt happend.And so I have my own conc. thas all.And about Beth she don't have to come back for that bozo government and police.They are working on the case.The government is going to put everthing to solve the problem.I'am going back to dis.205

[Isanah]

Show me one guy - who remembers a girls underwear after a night of drinking... ONE! I'm not buying it!

Posted by: Daniela | Sep 28, 2005 9:42:31 AM

I'm not finding it believable that Joran described her underwear either. Perhaps if Natalee was doing belly shots many people did see her underwear. Beth has not refuted that Natalee participated in doing a belly shot. As much as I feel for Beth and the family, unfortunately nothing has been prove. I also find that people do lie without being guilty, especially when young and afraid of being acused of something that they may have not done. In addition, sorry if I was falsely accused, I would not be "doing everything I can to prove my innocence", I would be distancing myself from the situation as far as I could. It is simply ridiculous that so many people think that people that barely knew Natalee would go out of their way to find her. from my experience most people are generally selfish and into self preservation. Honestly it may sound morally right that you would help this family, but this is the real world and if you had your own problems or joys, unemployment and graduation, I doubt many of you would be directing your energies in finding a woman that mysteriously disappeared in your community. Get real folks, we really know nothing but speculation, and I am a compassionate person, my heart is sick with this situation. However, it is amazing that people in their quest to support Beth do nothing to be objective, they just pounce on every seemingly "gut" instinct as to the guilt of these suspects.

Again, sorry, in the real world gut instinct and comparisons as to what one themselves would do in a particular situation such as this one, is not in itself enough to convict anyone. None of you that blindly make your assertions of guilt ought ever be on jury. You only hear and conclude what you want, not the evidence or facts. We may not like the ultimate present situation, but it is all we have at this time. We the people, along with Beth and family, are presently defeated. Let's all hope that dire place we are currently in is rectified with some findings of criminal activity in order to revive this horrible disappearance of a beautiful, vibrant, intellegent woman.

[usmcmom]

Some of you deny being a part of an anti-Holloway/Twitty propaganda machine, well it was painfully before last night, now it is crystal clear!

Posted by: jayjay | Sep 28, 2005 3:23:47 PM

Thank you for bringing that up, I knew I wasn't the only one that caught that. Too bad they couldn't take the other information and suggestions from this blog and investigate those too...

[truthinplainsight]

Joran is being honest, he did leave her on the beach...as long as you understand that he does the Dutch translation...Original Sentence in Dutch...we buried her in the sand translated to English...I left her on the beach :)

[RdWarrior]

Hey VA Steve:

US lawyers would be beating a path to represent Deepak on contingency if Dr Phil's show truly slandered him. Dr Phil has a lot of $$$$$ and probably would settle at the right price

Alas, but Deepak has no case. He lied. Now he even has admitted to a rape.

The Beth Bashers just spin and spin

And....good point those who mentioned that possibly some of the questions asked by Prosecutor/Co-conspirator Karin Jannssen were taken from members of this forum.

I hope if they do have these contacts...that they let the Aruban govt know that I say they are directly involved in the NH disappearance.

Go get em Beth