New Analysis Suggests Gang Rape And Drugging Involved In Holloway Disappearance

Dr. Andrew Hodges, a forensic psychiatrist, has begun to analyze some of what documented facts and statements are available in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway - that analysis suggests that both Deepak Kalpoe and Joran Van der Sloot may have been involved in a planned scheme which included the drugging and gang raping of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. He is currently preparing a full report for the family of Natalee Holloway.

Thoughtprint decoding is reading between the lines for unconscious messages, called "thoughtprints,".

A recent breakthrough to the unconscious mind reveals it is strikingly honest and far brighter than the conscious mind and that criminals are strongly inclined toward unconscious confession.

To decode thoughtprints one must be attuned to a suspect's unconsciously patterned ideas and not his literal conscious statements. The conscious mind speaks literally ("left brain") about certain issues, the unconscious mind speaks symbolically ("right brain") about deeper issues facts via thoughtprints.

Thoughtprints: Joran indirectly warned the girls from Mountain Brook High School including Natalee Holloway around 9 pm at the Holiday Inn Casino-- "Don't go to Carlos and Charlies, it's no fun on Sunday night." This suggests an unconscious protective warning, knowing that he was up to something (a group rape as he suggests).

Natalee Drugged: Joran spontaneously reported that Natalee was on drugs at C and C suggesting she indeed was drugged there. Deepak's thoughtprints also suggest Natalee had been drugged - reporting that he had lied to police because missing girls "usually show up at a crack house (sic)."

Both suspects independently introduced drugs's suggesting they drugged her in addition to the alcohol she had consumed. There are rumors of bartenders cooperating in such a scenario.

Natalee Resisted a Group Rape: Joran and Deepak both referenced the idea of sex being refused ("Joran said he refused Natalee sex in the back seat at one point, Deepak prohibited Joran and Natalee from sexual contact telling them to go get a hotel room) and of Natalee refusing to be touched while on the ground when she fell.

All of this strongly suggests sexual activity and touch being refused and that she put up a fight while held down and that there was both verbal and physical resistance.

A particularly striking story of Natalee falling-- physically out of control on the ground and intoxicated linked with the moment of separation (death)-- suggests loss of control through drugs, rape and finally through death.

Additional analysis, some anticipated to be discussed this week on Court TV with more going directly to the family, is pending. In speaking with Dr. Hodges, it was at least suggested at this point that, based upon other reports, along with the drugging, such a crime may have included luring Natalee Holloway away from the front of Carlos and Charlie's on foot.

Dr. Hodges "Thought Print" work was involved to some extent in profiling the BTK serial killer. His credentials include being certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology. He is a former Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Alabama at Birmingham School of Medicine and received the Outstanding Clinician’s Award in 1995 from the International Society of Communicative Psychoanalysis & Psychotherapy. He is also a member of the American Psychiatric Association.

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Comments

[jayjay]

Last post meant for Leeza!!

[ss]

good post duck..

[leeza]

jayjay: Wow! Truce? We want the same thing, you know. Actual, sustainable charges brought against the guilty persons. (Like you, I think there are more than one) Unfortunately, Dr. Hodge's report, which was presented on Catherine Crier, is not the way to get there. This type of method truly does not test well with juries. Of course, in Aruba there are no juries and judges tend to be pro-prosecutor by nature. Still, I don't think the leap Dr. Hodge makes would be accepted anywhere.

[DennisAOK]

Duck from Dallas,

If drugs were involved I am inclined to think Natalee took them involuntarily. Even if she had experimented with drugs before - her high grade point average suggests she was not a heavy user if she ever tried them at all, because regular use consumes a lot of time - it seems strange she would decide to take a "hard" drug with strangers in a foreign country a few hours before her plane was to depart. If, as Dan says, she found Joran attractive, a make out session with him at the beach was a more probable objective.

[NoplanstogotoAruba]

Yes - Leeza is correct! These are two different approaches the "thoughtprint" and "brain fingerprinting." Thoughtprint is no more empirically valid than basic psychoanalytic interpretations (which can be quite accurate), but still probably not much more accurate in this case than the observations of some the insightful posters here. Guess I was so hopeful that a scientifically based technique of interrogation was finally being applied that I took this thoughtprint stuff as being the same as brainfingerprinting. It did puzzle me that Hodges seemed to be doing an analysis from afar, but I thought perhaps he might be working on data printouts...that's when I realized the posts I made about brainfingerprinting have no relation to what Dr. Hodges is doing. Sorry for the mix-up. I would like to see brainfingerprinting applied in this case. They are talking about the brain emitting an electrochemical signal when certain details of a situation are recognized. I think this would be a cutting edge way to interrogate the suspects in this case.

[jayjay]

Leeza,

Truce?
Yeah, for now...lol

I will never argue with a point of view steeped in common sense, especially when I agree with it. ;-)

[leeza]

DennisAOK-did you see my post from yesterday about the PI from the firm where I work? He suspects alcohol poisoning. That may be old news, but I hadn't heard it before. I accept that as a possibility since two boys from my son's college died from alcohol poisoning with a surprisingly small amount of alcohol.

[jayjay]

Dennis,

Once again, your point is on the money sir!

[Justice4All]

If the three fellas were not part of a drugging and gang rape. Why would they find it necessary to have here body disposed of? If as they say things happen, with the advise of a JUDGE IN TRAINING I am sure he would have advised that she would have been left on the beach, or left at a hospital or left some where to be found. Why is there no body, which leads alot of us to believe there was devious acts at hand. NO BODY NO CRIME SPEAKS ENOUGH.

[dave]

This is one of the most likely theories I have heard to date. Although, I am not 100% that she had to have been drugged, if she was drinking enough she might have tried to experiment. Still we already know that Joran has at least admitted to sexual assualt, per Dave Holloway, so it is hardly an idiotic leap to go from there to gang rape. Especially since I doubt the brothers were expecting to shuttle the two around while they made out. I think it is more than likely that she died of an OD, she might have been drugged or taken them herself, the reason the boys are covering up is because they were involved in a serious crime against her. There is no reason for them to hold out this long if it were just an accidental death.

[dave]

By the way, I don't see what is scientific about what this guy is doing, it is just making the obvious inferences from what the suspects have been saying.

[ss]

Dennis high gpa doesn't mean she doesn't use or hasn't experienced with drugs

[dave]

I agree ast, but from what we have heard it seems very unlikely to me that she used drugs ever. It is still perfectly possible that she used drugs herself, seeing as she was in a loose environment, but I certainly wouldn't discount the possibility that she was drugged by one of the three.

[chikken]

SAY it WITH me now!!! CHIKKEN

[jayjay]

SS,

Of course is does not mean she COULD not have experimented with drugs. However, the likelihood that she was a common user or even a sporadic user are not that likely.

While strictly taking into account her GPA may not eliminate the possibility of experimental drug use, all of the other information we have on this young woman lends itself to clean living and a future "goal oriented" type of personality.

I know this is a fairly pointless argument as there are exceptions to every rule, but do you honestly believe that a high school student involved in so much extra-curricular "school" activity, high GPA and a penchant for the medical profession is likely to be a drug user?

[Dee]

Thought Prints - Remember Clockwork Orange? Some may laugh but our brains hold every memory of our lives, even our cells have memory. All sensations, taste, sound, touch, and smell are recorded forever!

[ev]

I agree with Jayjay. I don't think Natalee would have done that voluntarily without help from the boys or the alcohol. I really do believe that they slipped her a drug in her drink. Also according to Fox news they had lined up some shots at the bar could Natalee's been spiked.

[ss]

jayjay i am not saying she did or didn't ..i don't claim to be anyone who knows her or what she did for extra curricular activities.. you can read everyday about kids who had it all, were involved in church, sports, lots of friends..yada yada who make bad decisions all the time.. i am merely throwing it out there. To be honest with you i don't know what to believe..

[jayjay]

SS,

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying it is not possible.

[annie]

Interesting post Dan. I think his theory may be close to accurate, but may have components missing as well. There may be a piece about where she was taken that could be the key component that is missing in all of this. The gangrape location in particular is what I am talking about. It may not have taken place at the lighthouse or the beach, but it is the part they are still keeping secret. Unfortunately, it is that piece that could help find piece together where they may have disposed of her (if not in the water that is).

Thanks for sharing this information.

[R Nelson]

This guy is either a genius or he's smoked too much crack. I am sure at some point, polygraph tests were considered voodoo science, some might still argue against them, not fool proof but sometimes effective. Perhaps there is some merit to his approach; time will tell. There are too many unexplainable mysteries in life, so I'm not ready to completely dismiss it. Dan, for Natalee's sake I hope you're wrong with the theory.

Have we heard anymore from Ichangedmynameforthis?
Things were a little out of hand yesterday and
he(she?) stopped posting.

[season]

What happened yesterday, people keep refernceing (sp?) how out of hand it was, and people were banned, anyone?

[R Nelson]

season:

The players tried to take the field, the marching band refused to yield....

[DennisAOK]

ss,

I didn't rule out experimentation. I did suggest regular use was very unlikely. As a practial matter it is difficult to maintain good grades if you are "high" a lot. It is also inconsistent with everything else we know about Natalee, as others have said.

[collecemall]

Maybe this question has been asked long ago but here goes. In less than 24 hours after Nat went missing until the time that the Holloway's were face to face with the Van der Snots how did Joran, Satish, Depak (sp?), and Paul all have their stories in order? How did they even know the girl was missing? After all they left her at the Holiday Inn, I mean the beach, I mean she grew wings and flew to the moon.... come on really. If they left her unharmed somewhere and went on with their daily lives bragging about their conquest of the pretty blonde girl from the U.S. how did they know? Any thoughts out there about this?

[letsbefair]

"He is currently preparing a full report for the family of Natalee Holloway."

That's all you had to say right there. And it explains everything in a nutshell. I'm sure this "scientist" is reporting exactly what the Twitty's want to hear. And is being paid very well for it. It's a good thing this "voodoo evidence" is not admissible in court. (not even in the Dutch system)

[letsbefair]

Thought Prints - Remember Clockwork Orange? Some may laugh but our brains hold every memory of our lives, even our cells have memory. All sensations, taste, sound, touch, and smell are recorded forever!

Posted by: Dee | August 15, 2005 03:00 PM

"It weren't me, me brother sir, it were my young droogs!"

[dave]

Let's not leap to conclusions here, we don't know that this was requested by the family and we don't know that he is being paid for it. Nothing in his theory seems unlikely, and to my knowledge it would fit all of the currently known facts, and also it is a great explanation for a lot of what the boys have said. If you look at all the little details about what is being said, then I think it is hard to say that some type of sexual crime wasn't involved.

[Susan P.]

Has anyone heard about the "limb" that was found in Venezuela? I can't find any reports on foxnews.com about it.

Susan P.

[Canada Goose]

They got the BTK serial killer, by decoding the floppy disk and recognizing it was printed at the Lutheran Church where he was a man of God. Thought prints? How convenient to make this doctor a ton of money. I wish they would get the 48 hours pyschic on this case that solved in great detail a missing person. She was amazing. Her remains have vanished either through decomposition or sharks. This case may be cracked several years down the road when one of the 3 idiots say the wrong thing and it is recorded.

[collecemall]

Maybe this question has been asked long ago but here goes. In less than 24 hours after Nat went missing until the time that the Holloway's were face to face with the Van der Snots how did Joran, Satish, Depak (sp?), and Paul all have their stories in order? How did they even know the girl was missing? After all they left her at the Holiday Inn, I mean the beach, I mean she grew wings and flew to the moon.... come on really. If they left her unharmed somewhere and went on with their daily lives bragging about their conquest of the pretty blonde girl from the U.S. how did they know? Any thoughts out there about this?

[my_2¢]

I know this is a fairly pointless argument as there are exceptions to every rule, but do you honestly believe that a high school student involved in so much extra-curricular "school" activity, high GPA and a penchant for the medical profession is likely to be a drug user?

Posted by: jayjay | August 15, 2005 02:55 PM

I'm in medical school and I could name 7 people in my class who use cocaine on a fairly regular basis. There's a good sized group of potheads and other less hardcore drug users, too. Probably around 25%+ of the class. All people who, a few years ago, might be described the same as NH - bright, ambitious, top of graduating class, etc.

My 2¢ of constructive criticism.

[pamemphis]

Here's a thought..... I think the body has been removed from the islnad.. and with the connections that Papa Vandersloot has, what if he had a boat pick up the girl or body and take it somewhere. A quick phone call to a friend could get a boat at night I'm sure. They should have a dog or forensic guys checkout all the local docked boats in the area for evidence or any boats that have left the area since then and not returned...

[geegee]

RE: "I am sure at some point, polygraph tests were considered voodoo science."

It still is voodoo science. What exactly does the 'polygraph' record? If you know the answer to that then you know how pathetic it is as a 'lie detector'.

P.S. The guy who wrote the 'Wonder Woman' comic book series also invented the Polygraph [hint: magic lasso of truth].

[Sol Rosenberg]

letsbefair,

You should try your Vulcan mind-meld on the (3) suspects.

ROFLMAO

[Susan P.]

I also know many "professionals" (ie. lawyers) as well as med school students / straight A students, who use different drugs consistently and recreationaly. Does that make them less of a person, in some people's mind yes, but for those who do not know about the drug use, they would never suspect in a million years. So to answer your questions, it could be possible that she had used a drug or drug for recreational use without anyone except a close friend knowing.
I'm not stating this is the case, but anything is possible. We all have done things that no one but a close friend or sibling know about and we all may have done something that no one in a million years would have thought we would do.

Susan P.

[geegee]

RE: "and with the connections that Papa Vandersloot has..."

Look here, if you are a member of the Banditos MC you probably know someone stupid enough to get involved (after the fact) in a conspiracy to dispose of a dead body. Regular people actually have something to lose and will simply refuse to get involved in someone else's crime.

[George T.]

In what kinds of cases does Brain Fingerprinting testing not apply?

There are several types of cases where this technology does not apply. For example, in a disappearance, all the authorities may know is that someone disappeared. They may not know if any crime has been committed.
per the article on the latest site.

[DennisAOK]

Canada Goose,

The Twittys and Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch have worked with psychics on this case, to no avail.

Susan P. and my_2¢,

I don't dispute anything you said. I do maintain that heavy drug use negatively effects performance. I'll bet the heavy coke users are not at the top of your med school class.

[letsbefair]

letsbefair,

You should try your Vulcan mind-meld on the (3) suspects.

ROFLMAO

Posted by: Sol Rosenberg | August 15, 2005 04:50 PM

I thought that's what this is? Sol.

[George T.]

RE: Dr. Farellks article.

In what kinds of cases does Brain Fingerprinting testing not apply?

There are several types of cases where this technology does not apply. For example, in a disappearance, all the authorities may know is that someone disappeared. They may not know if any crime has been committed.

[George T.]

RE:
WOW, I normally don't believe in this kind of stuff, but this one really seems to be more scienfically based.

Posted by: xylo | August 15, 2005 10:32 AM

You have to read the WHOLE article.
Read my last post.

[Kevin]

Any chance you could write less posts on Natalee Holloway? I may be in the minority here, but I really don't care anymore. FOX is reporting about it so much that I find them hard to watch. Other news stations probably are also, but I swore off all of them around the time of the last elections.

Don't get me wrong, I love your site. I read it almost daily. I just don't get the importance of this story, horrible as it is. More murders were commited in her homestate of Alabama so far this month (32) than in the last 5 yrs in Aruba(between 10 and 25, depending on where you look. Stats not issued by Aruban government). It seems somehow wrong to me to give this particular murder so much emphasis while remaining quiet on all the rest.

[mishy]

"I'm in medical school and I could name 7 people in my class who use cocaine on a fairly regular basis."
Posted by: my_2¢

If they use coke on a regular basis, it won't be too long before they crash and burn. Probably won't be too long before they flunk out of school and do nothing BUT do cocaine til they lose everything they ever owned including theirs and everyone else's self respect...

I wouldn't want them to be my doctor, or my child's doctor...that's fer shurrrrr.....

...'nuff said...

[George T.]

Kev,
Yes, it does seem very unnatural to focus on one story.
But this story is a study of large group input helping to solve a very serious disaster or potential disaster. People come together to bounce ideas off of each other and to expand their own ability to view different possibilities in a case study. We each and every one came together for the hope of supporting the goal of finding Natalee. We still support that hope. We all come from different backgrounds which make us a stronger total.
Remember, the whole is greater than the sum of the parts.
Please stay.

[curious]

Hi there,

I have read this blog off and on for a few weeks now, been a while since I've posted but I am curious about this physician. I'm in the medical field myself, and I found it curious that I was not able to find a single publication in any medical journal (or even just on GOOGLE) about this physician other than that he wrote: "Jesus: An Interview Across Time" by Dr. Andrew Hodges....

I'm insinuating anything here; honestly, I would just be curious to see anything on the topic that he's published. I just can't actually find anything.

[curious]

sorry, that should have read:

"I'm not insinuating anything here...."

[!]

Kevin....this forum is dedicated to the Natalee Holloway case. The owner of this blog has a right to discuss and keep up with whatever they wish. They chose to follow this case. OKAY?

Thanks Dan for the update. You are appreciated in doing all this and staying on top of all that comes to light. This is a very sad story.
We all realize that all cases of missing and murdered people are sad for all the families involved. I hope this case as well as all cases throughout the world are eventually solved as I am sure all feel the same way.

This case is particularly interesting because of Beth being such a determined women as she is. You can't blame her at all. If it were "your" child you would do the same thing.

God bless Beth & her family and friends as they search for the truth.

As with all missing and murdered people, someone knows the real truth. Lets hope it will be known one day.

Keep up the good work Dan !! Most of us want to know about this til it comes to a close. Just like people followed the Scott Peterson case.
Thanks again Dan!!

[George T.]

RE: Curious,
The Journal of American Medical Association lists no articles written by this man from 1966 to present. It is the most credible medical publication there is.
http://pubs.ama-assn.org/search.dtl

[Another Observer]

Whether or not you belive the science behind this guy's report, you have to admit that the most reasonable and simplest answer is that these 3 kids directly or indirectly killed her. The mafia did not kidnap and sell her into slavery. If there was any evidence of this, you would see leaks from the family and ppl connected to them about this and they would be looking in Venezuela and South America and seeking those countries' help. There's no evidence they are doing this, so please, all those posters suggesting human trafficking, do some other drug to alleviate your need for fantasy.

The ppl in American law enforcement all seem to suggest rape and murder - trust the guys with experience about this stuff. You can't trust the Aruban govt b/c they have every reason in the world to coverup.