New Analysis Suggests Gang Rape And Drugging Involved In Holloway Disappearance

Dr. Andrew Hodges, a forensic psychiatrist, has begun to analyze some of what documented facts and statements are available in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway - that analysis suggests that both Deepak Kalpoe and Joran Van der Sloot may have been involved in a planned scheme which included the drugging and gang raping of missing Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway. He is currently preparing a full report for the family of Natalee Holloway.

Thoughtprint decoding is reading between the lines for unconscious messages, called "thoughtprints,".

A recent breakthrough to the unconscious mind reveals it is strikingly honest and far brighter than the conscious mind and that criminals are strongly inclined toward unconscious confession.

To decode thoughtprints one must be attuned to a suspect's unconsciously patterned ideas and not his literal conscious statements. The conscious mind speaks literally ("left brain") about certain issues, the unconscious mind speaks symbolically ("right brain") about deeper issues facts via thoughtprints.

Thoughtprints: Joran indirectly warned the girls from Mountain Brook High School including Natalee Holloway around 9 pm at the Holiday Inn Casino-- "Don't go to Carlos and Charlies, it's no fun on Sunday night." This suggests an unconscious protective warning, knowing that he was up to something (a group rape as he suggests).

Natalee Drugged: Joran spontaneously reported that Natalee was on drugs at C and C suggesting she indeed was drugged there. Deepak's thoughtprints also suggest Natalee had been drugged - reporting that he had lied to police because missing girls "usually show up at a crack house (sic)."

Both suspects independently introduced drugs's suggesting they drugged her in addition to the alcohol she had consumed. There are rumors of bartenders cooperating in such a scenario.

Natalee Resisted a Group Rape: Joran and Deepak both referenced the idea of sex being refused ("Joran said he refused Natalee sex in the back seat at one point, Deepak prohibited Joran and Natalee from sexual contact telling them to go get a hotel room) and of Natalee refusing to be touched while on the ground when she fell.

All of this strongly suggests sexual activity and touch being refused and that she put up a fight while held down and that there was both verbal and physical resistance.

A particularly striking story of Natalee falling-- physically out of control on the ground and intoxicated linked with the moment of separation (death)-- suggests loss of control through drugs, rape and finally through death.

Additional analysis, some anticipated to be discussed this week on Court TV with more going directly to the family, is pending. In speaking with Dr. Hodges, it was at least suggested at this point that, based upon other reports, along with the drugging, such a crime may have included luring Natalee Holloway away from the front of Carlos and Charlie's on foot.

Dr. Hodges "Thought Print" work was involved to some extent in profiling the BTK serial killer. His credentials include being certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology. He is a former Assistant Clinical Professor of Psychiatry at the University of Alabama at Birmingham School of Medicine and received the Outstanding Clinician’s Award in 1995 from the International Society of Communicative Psychoanalysis & Psychotherapy. He is also a member of the American Psychiatric Association.

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Comments

[jgirl]

While the science is very interesting, I hardly find it something that
would be admissable in a court of law. No more that a psychic or dream interpretation could be. It may be a tool of understanding, but I can
not see a Judge ruling on such findings. Again, with all of his expertise, it is not any different than blog entries I have read.

[Robert]

Thoughtprints!!!

This is really getting to the point of silliness. Have they tried a witch? Maybe now that the summer recess is on at the US Senate three witches can enter the case, Hilary Clinton, Barbara Boxer, and that little short witch from Maryland. Better yet, Haiti has a lot of voodoo people who need work so maybe they can stick pins in dolls, suck blood from chicken necks, and read hog guts and figure out what happened to Natalee.

Let's get serious.

[(((AG)))]

As a psychologist, I'm well informed on the latest empirically-valid methods of anything related to the field...I can safely say that "ThoughtPrints" aren't supported by the research...Like the Roarsarch, highly subjective and usually it's the interpeter's projection that influences results

Posted by: Haze | August 15, 2005 07:42 AM

Haze, I'm with you on this one.

...highly subjective and usually it's the interpeter's projection that influences results.

As much as I don't like him, I would prefer to go with Mark Fuhrman's detective instincts.

I've said the similar things to friends visiting me -- You shouldn't go there tonight (Sunday) it's no fun. WHY -- because there aren't that many people there and the place isn't as lively as Friday & Saturday. How would this guy read my thoughtprint?

Right now I rank this right up there with the unproven voice analysis machine that TJ Ward pushes -- BOGUS!!!

[ChinbeardXIV]

I'm with you, Jgirl, in my fascination with new sciences and/or pseudo-sciences...but...I cannot see "thoughtprints" being used in a court of law. I personally think the polygraph is weak on the proof-scale--thoughtprints are many notches lower...

[(((AG)))]

My very first thought when she was missing was like this: She is bound, and they keep doing it to her again again. The place that I saw looked like the abanded hotel. Is there another hotel there that is being built? My first thought though was she is alive. But that was in June.

Posted by: Laxshmi | August 15, 2005 09:16 AM

There is the Allegro Hotel, close to the HI that is undergoing renovation. Also, ES search another hotel that was empty.

[Jane]

Unfortunately, Hodges has been so wrong, so many times, it is impossible to take him seriously about anything.

[ustt]

i took psychology in college

i never opened the book

i would put the book under my pillow at night and managed to absorb enough through osmosis to pass psych.

to me psych was like "create a word"...."invent a syndrome to go beside the word"

...psych is common sense - otherwise how could someone pass psych with never opening the book and learning through pillow osmosis???!

this theory from this Dr. goes in that category.

********however, I will have to admit I use the: "reading" a person's fingernails, thumb anatomy, foot size:body height ratio, body habitus, arm length, style of walk, hair color, righthand/lefthand? = technique to decide if a man is a criminal or not. :)) so far it's working

[Imagine]

Interesting. The post doesn't say it would be used "as hard evidence in a court of law." It's simply another investigative tool to be considered, as others have mentioned.

[Long John]

Only an idiot would fall for this bullshit.

Silver

[leeza]

Chinbeard said "I have to say that "thoughtprinting" really sounds like a highly technical term for "guessing"."
Leeza says Actually chinbeard, "thoughtprinting" is a highly technical term for "GUESSING WHILE CHARGING $180 AN HOUR"
The empirical studies that noplanstogotoaruba, based upon actual scientific method, are founded on the electrical emissions of the tested brain. Remember, this Dr. Hodges has never met any of the principals in his theory. He has only interviewed one side and does not have access to the criminal file.
This is not admissable evidence in any court on the planet. This is the sort of "voodoo science" that turns jury pool members off when they are questioned about it.

[marci]

I can't believe some of you on this post believe that crap!

[jgirl]

The more I think about this, the sillier it gets. Speculations that all have made, written in an expensive, extensive report to the family.
Bring out the crystal ball, eight ball, and lets have a witch hunt. No need for prosecuters anymore with this methodology. If it provided new
information it would be one thing, but again, it is if he just wrote it
from information on these blogs!

[Susan P.]

His theories are hardly great and all, along with all of the other spectacular speculations, but what difference does it really make if they aren't allowed in the Aruba court or investigation? His theory is just as relevant as any of the other theories posted here. They don't really matter because in the end they can't be used against any of the suspects. They are speculations in the beginning and will remain that to the end.

Susan P.

[CindyLouWho]

HMMMMM....
I would love to hear what Tom Cruise and his fellow Scientologists have to say about Thoughtprint Decoding!!! ROTFLMAO!!! :)

[Karaoke Kid]

Isn't it good to know what all those donations are being used for. Crackpot idiots masquerading as forensic scientists.

This guy is almost as good as the one who found the "truth" in the Bible Code.

[JL]

ok, but how do the phonecalls fit in?

[Susan P.]

Everyone gather round, light some candles and bring out the ouija board. Then we will really know if Natalee is alive or not!!

[Dan]

JL - The phone call had men in the background asking who are you calling - then a disconnect. Kind of obvious, really. As to the critics here - some are really pretty ignorant. This information is never intended to convict someone or prove absolute guilt - it guides interrogations, more often than not. SOme of you are really so foolish - had you been paying attention you would also have read elsewhere that the CI are implementing some new techniques this week in interrogations. That could also be some additional from the Dutch experts.

What is needed is a confession - and you workwiththe mind to get that. Stop being so dumb some of you. MY God, no wonder American media is so bad, they have to give you something to watch, I suppose. It's amazing some of you can even read. ; )

Pardon the editorial.

[Kagerou]

So, by this guy's "theories", if I tell a kid, "Hey, don't go near that angry pit bull!" and he happens to get mauled, does that then imply that I let the dog loose on the kid. LOL! What a goof. It's nothing but fortune telling. He probably takes advantage of people in desperate situations to make a buck.

[Kathy]

I'm with Dan on this. Before anyone puts this tecnique down, investigate who uses it... you'r be surprised.

[SMARTPANTSSTINKS]

Why is it when someone is accused of a crime, the one who has no emotions is always assumed guilty? I tried to absorb Physical Chemistry by putting the book under my pillow and sleeping on it, but it didn't work out too well. I smelled smoke in the morning and it was my brain innards frying. Boy, did that stink! The point is, there is no point. "No body, no case". Prove it. The internal cover up from the beginning will be the essential factor for not having a conclusive conviction. The person who said the body was given to others to dispose and kept those person(s) off the island for a long time is pretty smart. More than likely, that's what happened and nobody, including all the "experts" on the on TV every night can make a legitimate case. Too bad, but that is the way it is. Different country, different law. How many criminal cases in the US go by the wayside because of personal connections? Look at the Kennedys. Mark Fuhrman blew it and OJ got off. How many attorney's general prosecute the cases they know they can win? It happens all over. I'm tired!!!

[One Happy Chica]

"'Don't go to Carlos and Charlies, it's no fun on Sunday night.' This suggests an unconscious protective warning, knowing that he was up to something (a group rape as he suggests)."

As I've said in the past, this may be Joran's single truthful statement! I've been told the same by Aruban locals...and there is truth to this from a young, clubbing perspective..."Sunday nights are boring...no one goes out". I just don't feel that this is indicative of premeditated criminal action, nor do I feel that this is some form of unconscious warning. If anything, Natalee's continued desire to club on her final night of vacation may have prompted Joran's response--his decision to head to CnC’s on a “boring night”.

[leeza]

Dan, I don't think the critics of this "thoughprint" article are foolish. Didn't Diane Dimond say that this guy was hired by the family to do this? This is another PR move. There is nothing wrong with that, but you have to be ready to accept the fallout from a hired gun using unproven, unaccepted, subjective, editorial methods to proving crime. This psychiatrist seems pretty over the edge in what he can ascertain from limited information.

[leeza]

Kathy - I did a brief research on this method. I don't see where it has been peer-reviewed in any articles or acknowledged as even an investigatory tool. Who did you find that actually uses it?

[CindyLouWho]

As to the critics here - some are really pretty ignorant.

SOme of you are really so foolish - had you been paying attention you would also have read elsewhere that the CI are implementing some new techniques this week in interrogations. That could also be some additional from the Dutch experts.

Stop being so dumb some of you. MY God, no wonder American media is so bad, they have to give you something to watch, I suppose. It's amazing some of you can even read. ; )

Dan,
I think I can safely say that for the most part "we" were poking fun and criticizing this "method" of investigation...the comments weren't aimed at you for posting the information.
Many of us realize this case APPEARS to be reaching a dead end (no pun intended). The Holloway /Twittys are probably feeling very desperate at this point and we can't blame them for any avenue they may pursue to recover Natalee.
However, in defense of myself I need to let you know that I felt your comments to be mean spirited.
I have always maintained the utmost respect for you and would appreciate the same in return!!

Thanks,
Cindy

[Kap]

cindy - who cares how you interpret Dan's post. It's his blog and you're just a guest here. He doesn't owe you one iota of respect. I wouldn't respect you after the trash you've been posting here. Yours along with others who bash these guys techniques don't have a clue what you are bashing against, like you have some background in the area. shoo, go away....

BTW, this isn't a PR move. This is another way, another avenue to find some answers. The fact is, this guy is in the ballpark as to what probably happened that night. It just strikes a nerve with you Joran apologists that this guy probably has it right.

[Dan]

Cindy -
"Only an idiot would fall for this bullshit."

In my above response I was careful to say "some are", and more than once - it wasn't directed at everyone who was challenging the approach. I likely felt similarly to some other critics a month ago when I first became aware of it. Of note, I have no idea if there is any money involved in the Dr. working with the family - I know he has worked on it without fee for some time and I thought that still may be the case - I never thought to ask. He is local to the area, by the way.

I only have a BA in psych. but did look at the methodology - with some looking and realize that it is never intended to "prove" anything, only to further possible insights and questioning techiques, I think it worth the shot. And I didnt take your criticism, or any for that matter, too personally, I hope. But that can always enter into something you have invested some time in developing in between all the fruhaha here sometimes.

[Kat_Gram]

I guessed at this about 10 days ago, a date rape thing gone bad... the victim didn't want to go along with it. Alcohol & drugs involved. Several other posters had the same idea. Does this mean we are as smart as this guy ? You betcha. We are smarter, yet humble as we would not give this out to the media as " fact based on Mumbo Jumbo "

[Dan]

Aslo, some of you might like to know that I am being careful to validate the communication - but I immediately heard from the Holloway side of the family asking for more information on the other post re a MB Mom and anything else that may help to find Natalee.

If that email turns out to be bogus - and it doesn't appear so at this time - I will correct the record on that.

[mc]

Does anyone remember the Joran tickle site with the picture of him choking that smaller, naked boy with a dog leash and that look on his (Joran's)face? I tell you, this is the closes thing to a real posibility that I have read yet. It is very common for liars to wear built their lies with true ingredients. Deepak, if you are reading this, do the right thing.

[Justice4All]

I think there is some truth to this SCIENCE, as liars do tell partial truths, also the criminal always returns to the scene of the crime, so I wonder when the 3 creeps were free, if they indeed were tailing them.

[NoplanstogotoAruba]

More info:

TIME 100: The Next Wave - The Brain Scientist

About Dr. Farwell

TIME Magazine has named Dr. Lawrence Farwell to the TIME 100: The Next Wave, the 100 Innovators who may be "the Picassos or Einsteins of the 21st century."

Climbing Inside The Criminal Mind
By Sarah Sturman Dale
He went to Harvard, works in Iowa and loves swing dancing. That's not the typical profile of an anticrime crusader, but Lawrence Farwell is an unusual guy.

While developing technology that would allow the vocally paralyzed to speak, he stumbled across a trove of seemingly extraneous signals stored in the brain. He began looking for a way to put that information to use. Result: a new forensic technology he calls brain fingerprinting.

Here's how it works: Farwell fits a suspect with a sensor-filled headband. By flashing a series of pictures on a screen, he can read the subject's involuntary reactions to them. When there's something familiar about an image, it triggers an electrical response that begins between 300 and 800 milliseconds after the stimulus.

Scientists have studied these "p300 bumps" for years. Farwell believes that, combined with other measures--he has patented which ones he looks at--he can determine if a subject is familiar with anything from a phone number to an al-Qaeda code word.

Indeed, the CIA has funded his research with more than $1 million, and a former FBI point man for biological and chemical weapons has joined Farwell's firm. Critics say that p300-type testing needs a lot of refinement before it's a perfect polygraph, but such criticism doesn't deter Farwell.

"The fundamental task in law enforcement and espionage and counterespionage is to determine the truth," he says. "My philosophy is that there is a tremendous cost in failing to apply the technology."

The Innovators: Lawrence Farwell, Richard Hughes, Dorothy Denning, General John Jumper, Richard Langlois, John Daugman and Peter Wulff

[WillUSayI'mMad]

Now the suggestion is to presume guilt with "thought process decoding?"

I really wish Beth would go home, take a much needed rest, and then reevaluate her options.

This type of approach isn't helping anyone.

[Justice4All]

I am trying to figure the part swimming and hitting head part. I wonder if Natalee realize what was happening and had an asthma attack, but that would not coninside with the swimming and the head injury.

[WillUSayI'mMad]

I think there is some truth to this SCIENCE, as liars do tell partial truths, also the criminal always returns to the scene of the crime, so I wonder when the 3 creeps were free, if they indeed were tailing them.

Posted by: Justice4All | August 15, 2005 01:04 PM

Sometimes there may be some truth, yes.

But remember that little Jessica Lunsford's gram did NOT pass a lie detector test. These poor old folks were cast in an ugly shadow when they least needed to be.

The turn this case is taking is very disturbing.

[Kagerou]

I'm all for finding new insight and I'm no apologist for these guys, but honestly does this substantiate the TRUTH or does it substantiate speculation? I understand that this is just a tool for authorities to aid in an investigation, but if I were a cop, I would have thought of this scenario already. It doesn't create any new leads.

[WillUSayI'mMad]

I'm with you, Kagerou.

I can't see what this accomplishes. The family did hire him; yet it seems his 'speculations' would be very painful for them. Why fill their heads with disturbing information when it is possible that nothing like this transpired?

[CindyLouWho]

Fair enough Dan!

Guess I was putting myself in the "some" category as I was poking fun...

I think this case is getting to us all!!

I am a little over sensitive these days...and YUP it's all your Fault... I'm up every night till 2 or 3 in the morning reading this Blog!!!! I get "touchy" when I haven't gotten my sleep!!LOL ;))

[ChinbeardXIV]

I find it interesting how many speculative theories (I know that's a redundant phrase) become accepted-as-fact in various threads. Aside from the "thoughtprinting" science, there's really nothing new to this thread--still no physical evidence...so...no matter what JvdS' thoughts tell Dr. Farwell, we're still in the same hole we've been in for 11 weeks.

Thanks, Dan, for underscoring the use of "thoughtprinting" and explaining how it may be used to sort of highlight certain circumstantial evidence.

[leeza]

Again, let me point out that the work of Dr. Farwell, et al, is based on objective reaction of the tested brain. The person upon whom the theory has been assigned was actually physically involved. That is hugely different than interviewing a few people and relying on the interpretations of others to form a thoughtprint.

[ChinbeardXIV]

Sorry Leeza, but it depends on which version of which story you personally believe...ha!

[WillUSayI'mMad]

Again, let me point out that the work of Dr. Farwell, et al, is based on objective reaction of the tested brain. The person upon whom the theory has been assigned was actually physically involved. That is hugely different than interviewing a few people and relying on the interpretations of others to form a thoughtprint.

Posted by: leeza | August 15, 2005 01:34 PM

Yes, but Leeza, he is reporting a detailed chronology. He is not simply saying he is detecting a 'guilty' reaction.

[Justice4All]

Lie detectors have been proven to be inaccurate, I think that these guys have told half truths to cover up what really happen in the event that Natalee should ever surface. Is this a science, no, I don't think so.. They have told too many stories, however, they all contain some of the same information from story to story, people don't forget the truth, as the do lies.

[leeza]

WillUSayI'mMad:The point is that the Dr. Farwell method is completely different from what Dr. Hodges is doing. Dr. Farwell uses a different approach using scientific and accepted methods. There are testable and reproducable results. That is extremely different from what Dr. Hodges has done. I saw his interview on Catherine Crier.

[Duck from Dallas]

This leaping to the conclusion that she was involuntarily drugged is irresponsible without any proof. Fact is that many teens her age and younger experiment with X. Yes they even seek it out themselves, believe it or not. It is no scandal. Kids use alcohol, pot and drugs. They use because of peer pressure? curiosity? and even to get girls? why? because the girls want the drugs too? I know that is a shock to many of you. :o

In case you all were asleep this sort of behavior has been going on in the states throughout this and last century.

No doubt that drugs were involved. By all accounts she was drinking, and alcohol is a drug. Scandal closed. Maybe she used others or the alcohol lowered her inhibitions to experiment with something else. No doubt many a girl left a bar with a car load of boys to get high or go make out or both, shhhh... maybe even to have sex.

The astronomical leap to "gang rape" and rohibinal(sic) (date rape scenario's) is close to idiotic. These boys do not fit the profile of psychotic rapists..... to the contrary they seem to have very normal behavior for their age. I doubt a rich tall white boy would have too difficult a time finding a "companion" in a romantic paridise. A new crop comes in about twice a week.

I do think it is likely she OD'd and the kids probably paniced. The most likely situation is involuntary manslaughter.

Of course before you prove that you'll need some sort of evidence as to what occurred. To date there really isn't any. Just a bunch of speculation.

[mona]

What is needed is a confession - and you workwiththe mind to get that. Stop being so dumb some of you. MY God, no wonder American media is so bad, they have to give you something to watch, I suppose. It's amazing some of you can even read. ; )

Pardon the editorial.

Posted by: Dan | August 15, 2005 12:07 PM

What is needed is Natalee's remains....a confession at this point and he still walks...right? My money is still on Daddy confessing....and walking

[leeza]

Has anyone read the book "The Gift of Fear" or listened to FBI Profiler Clint van Zandt? I believe that people do expose their lies in ways that the savvy can determine. However, it takes more than what Dr. Hodges has at his disposal.
Also, did you see the two books he wrote about JonBenet? I feel fairly certain that he will write a book on this case. There is nothing inherently wrong with that, but you have to wonder about the commercial value versus the investigatory value of his "method".

[ChinbeardXIV]

Duck_from_Dallas, I have to admit that I'm anti-Dallas (Redskins fan!), but your post was the best I've read. Wow...

[DennisAOK]

This simply puts a scientific veneer on what has always been the statistically the most likely story, and what the police have suspected since the boys were brought in (according to the Dutch newspaper Der Telegraaf). But since this is only probability and not legal proof, it has no value in court, and Joran still looks likely to walk come September 4.

[jayjay]

I hate to say this but I agree with you 100% on this one!

In my opinion, in order for the doctor to print a valid finding, it would need to be gleaned from a personal interview.

Not only is he not in the presence of the subject, but he is relying on second hand information that cannot possibly be corroborated until officially released.

I have been a strong proponent of the family and their actions thus far, but this sounds like a futile attempt to implicate Deepak along side JVDS.

I still have a very supportive stance that he is intimately involved with this girls disappearance, but this is not the way to get results.