The Trip Of A Lifetime

Missing teen's friends adjust to college life.

Claire Fierman thought her friend Natalee Holloway had simply overslept when she missed her plane home from Aruba. Now - nearly three months later - Fierman is enrolled at the Capstone, but Holloway still hasn't come home from what Fierman called "the trip of a lifetime."

Comments

[DennisAOK]

This is something that will never be forgotten by those who were involved...and many of us who were not.

[?]

This is something that will never be forgotten by those who were involved...and many of us who were not.

Posted by: DennisAOK | Aug 29, 2005 6:24:35 PM

? Poster meant to say_________?

[peggy]

I think Dennis AOK meant to say it will never be forgotten by those intimately involved in her life,and the rest of us who have closely followed the case.

[peggy]

And the fact that we all get caught up in the details of figuring out what happened,and perhaps are brought back to the sad reality that this lovely girl will not be on campus this fall.What a tragedy.

[DennisAOK]

Thanks, Peggy. Well said. I guess I needed to elaborate.

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

Dennis

I believe so too.

The whole article reminded me of something I read:

"A good name is better than fine perfume....

The heart of the wise is in the house of mourning,
but the heart of fools is in the house of pleasure."

(King Solomon, Ecclesiastes 7, Old Testament)

It struck me that there has been no mention of any place held for Joran, except a prison cell.

There are no ribbons for J, no prayer vigils, no benefit auctions -- just a team of lawyers.

Natalee's name and spirit are remembered and honored. J's "honor" has has been exposed as folly!

The wise are mourning for Natalee while a parade of fools applaud party pictures of pathetic pleasure!

[Sam]

There is nothing I can say that you (Dennis,Peggy and AkekoaHoAlethia)have not already said very eloquently.
Sam

[Librarian]

AkekoaHoAlethia, very well said!

[peggy]

Akekoa:So beautifully put!The words just roll off your tongue!Would you happen to have a bit of Irish in you somewhere????Just kidding!!!

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

peggy
Ay

[DennisAOK]

peggy & AkekoaHoAlethia,

My green brethren!

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

Peggy - Dennis But just a wee weee bit....

My Dad's mother was found on a doorstep in a shoebox. her "true" ancestry was not known .. but some inferences could be made!

PS -- you all above express yourselves so wonderfully... I enjoy reading your words!

May God bless ye all........

[peggy]

Akekoa....I knew it!It's trite,but the Irish do have a way with words.....and great memories to quote the words and sayings that are so meaningful.I've a bit of the Irish in me,as well.The problem is I have a mind like a seive and can barely remember what I did yesterday.Despite that,I am able to keep in context all the facts that are related to this case.....the meaningful facts.I don't get caught up in tickle and that gross man Martin,etc.Fun for all the more "open minded" people on this board.Just not my forte.Totally grosses me out,

[peggy]

Your paternal granny was found on a door step in a shoebox??No doubt there's some Irish going on there.What a great story.....

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

Yes, tis true, tis true. So she was adopted by that family who found her. I'm glad it was before the days of abortion. But she grew up looking and even acting Irish???? The family was Russel?

Thanks for the humor in your words!

[Jacque]

AkekoaHoAlethia and Peggy,

Thank you for such beautiful words, could not be said any better.

[peggy]

I was struck by her friends words when she suddenly realized that Natalee was'alone in Aruba'.How chilling,in light of the ensuing events.The word *ALONE* takes on such a powerful connotation.Alone and defenseless.

[peggy]

My above post was to stay on topic.Although I'm new at this have discovered that other subjects are taboo.To Akeoa and Dennis,enjoy your comments and also the Irish connection.I'm half Irish(mother) and half Italian.Interesting combination.My Mother always said 'you are what your Mother is....and don't let anyone ever tell you anything different!'.....Slainte!

And to Jacque:thanks for the nice comment...

[Dan]

I'm new at this have discovered that other subjects are taboo.

That's mostly in the NH discussion forum Peggy. Conversations in ohter threads are fine, so long as they are polite and w/o profanity.

[?]

I was struck by her friends words when she suddenly realized that Natalee was'alone in Aruba'.How chilling,in light of the ensuing events.The word *ALONE* takes on such a powerful connotation.Alone and defenseless.

Posted by: peggy

Now the word *ALONE* takes on special meaning as it denotes Natalee Holloway's vanishing?

I'm going to say this nicely. And some of you will recognize that I'm right, others will continue as they have been. Go back to work people. Go back to your familes. Go clean your yards. Go buy some groceries. Go spend some time with YOUR OWN children. Go make the world a better place by helping people who truly *NEED* help and can benefit from it.

[clintcarter]

Or at least post in some of the other threads too. those that don't. We need ideas.

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

To hide behind a ? and ? what others do amazes me??

How would a ? know ? others have to do??

How would a ? know of someone's work?? or even if one could??

How would a ? know if somebody had a family??

How would a ? know if anyone had a yard??

How would a ? know who buys groceries??

If the ? doesn't think this forum somehow contributes to making "the world a better place by helping people who truly *NEED* help and can benefit from it," then what in the world ?? is the ? doing reading it and spending time to comment ??
-- only to ? its own existence??? by its very own words???

Now there's a ? for you, Dan????

---

By the way Dan, I wanted to thank you for the motive, means, and money you have given to provide this forum.

You not only give us information, AND your thoughts, but you provide a stimulus for other ideas, and an arena in which to discuss them. You have even put up with some who disdain the very platform on which they speak!

It it because you know there are many who need a place to join in common threads of opinion?

I know -- you have told me and shown me -- that it's not to make money. And I know at times it has made you sick!

And I know too that "a young girl's life" and the lives of others has stired you on as well.

So, you must see and reap a benefit here yourself!!! Because you have paid the price....

[Dan]

Thanks, Ake I appreciate that.

[George T.]

Thanks Dan for all the info. It has been heartwrenching.

[?]

To hide behind a ? and ? what others do amazes me??

How would a ? know ? others have to do??

How would a ? know of someone's work?? or even if one could??

How would a ? know if somebody had a family??

How would a ? know if anyone had a yard??

How would a ? know who buys groceries??

Uh, who is hiding? Are you truly using your real name?

You completely misunderstood my point, or chose to, and elected to focus on the nic. I haven't seen anyone here use their real name, except for Dan.

Here are the facts:

Beth does not need anymore money. People have donated multiple millions toward the reward fund and toward search efforts. The freebies and money for Beth continue. Courteney Cox and company have personally involved themselves in continuing the money machine for Beth. She doesn't need any more contributions. Now if you want to continue to give her your hard earned dollars, while other people are starving, while other people are victims of natural disasters, while battered womens shelters continue to squeak by with barely enough to buy paint for the walls, then go ahead and keep giving Beth Twitty your money. Dave may still need help. BUT BETH AND JUG TWITTY DO NOT NEED ANY MORE OF PEOPLES HARD EARNED DOLLARS. Like I wrote, if you want to keep sending her your kid's college fund, be my guest.

Beth's strongarmed tactics have resulted in the bizarre rearrest of the Kalpoe brothers, still without a shred of evidence. If that sounds like a dame in distress, then down is up and up is down. Wake up folks.

This southern gal could singlehandedly mow down an army.

[RICK]

To ?. I like it!!!!!!!

[The RealPackerFan]

What hypocrasy. You are in a Natalee Holloway talk area just as are the rest of us. You go get groceries. You go help someone. Who above ever said anything about sending money for starters? I don't see such mention anywhere, only from you. I personally have never sent a cent although I have thought about it for sure. I simply care about what happened to this girl. What is your agenda? Your concern for battered women, starving people, etc. is commendable but then why are you not at a site for those issues doing something about it? For the people who have sent money, I believe that any of us have the right to spend or send our hard earned money anywhere and anyhow we want. And as for me, I am doing something. I am working on the very same computer and making those wages while I also review what is going on when I take a few minutes break while printing reports, etc. And then you assume that no one here has done any of this. For the record, I was battered, prosecuted his ass the very first time he touched me, help put him away so he cannot do it to other women, donated his things to the battered women's shelter in my area and speak loud and clear to any other woman who has been battered to get out. Just one example of what I have done that you mentioned so guess your assumptions might be incorrect about others because they certainly are about me.

To make assumptions as you have, you care about none of the issues you mentioned. If you had that kind of concern is general, you would care about this missing girl as well AND her parents.

And the Kalpoe boys and their sick perverted actions got themselves rearrested, not Beth. If she had that kind of sway with it, it would have happened long ago and they never would have been released either.

What a waste of my breath even bothering. Back to work.

[LOL]

?

were you whyhatejossy?
yesterday by any chance?
just thought i would ask....

[LOL]

RealPackerFan

? only comes out to attack people or have you not noticed?
? is really someone else here that we probably already know, someone coming
out to tell us how they really feel.....
OK back to work for me as well.

[The RealPackerFan]

You are right LOL. Have a great day.

[?]

And the Kalpoe boys and their sick perverted actions got themselves rearrested, not Beth. If she had that kind of sway with it, it would have happened long ago and they never would have been released either.

What a waste of my breath even bothering. Back to work.

Posted by: The RealPackerFan | Aug 30, 2005 12:35:46 PM

?

You didn't waste your "breath," maybe your manicure. But I don't believe you lost 'air' in responding.

I was also a victim of DV; so I know all about that. I'm not sure what screaming at everyone about "prosecuting his ___" has to do with anything at all. It is completely inappropriate to tell us about your domestic woes, but there's someone like that in every crowd.

It is not hypocritical at all that I'm not 100% pro-Beth Twitty. I don't have to be. Dan has only asked that we keep it respectful here. He's not trying to bully people as you are.

My view is that Beth Twitty's child is no more important than other people's missing daughters. But not all parents of missing children get millions upon millions of dollars, and help from world famous celebrities. Only Beth Holloway. Only for Natalee Holloway. Sorry if you can't handle an opinion other than your own. This is the US! Free speech, yeah! :)

If you, Rick, and others want to keep spending your grocery money on Beth Holloway, go for it! She and Jug welcome the contributions. Foreclose on your mortgage. Forget the car payment. Food, utilities, nah! Beth needs it more. Spend your medical insurance money on Beth; it's your dollar, not mine. I guaranatee that she and Jug will not worry at all if you go bankrupt.

There are many people who feel just as I do. Until Dan says only Pro-Twittys may post here, I'll continue to have my own opinion. Indeed I am entitled to it.

[rogue730]

?,

Wow, I myself am working NOW and care about NAtalle and her family but have not so obsessed over it like you are apparently obsessing over evryone else. Pointiong a finger and worrying about whta everyone else does with their time- shouldn't you get out alittle bit more if you're worried about a bunch of bloggers (such as myself) and out mortgage payments and kids college funds'? And for your lifeless record I also worry about the Katrina victims as well but I can still pay my rent. But if you'd like I can direct you www.iambored.com and maybe you can have some fun there when you're tired here as we are of you and your thoughtless words!

[rogue730]

sorry about the spelling errors rest of ya, typed to fast in my haste..;)

[jayjay]

Anyone know what happened to 159??

[punkingale]

? FYI There's a good reason Courteney Cox wanted to get involved with the auction for Beth. She's is also a graduate of Mountain Brook High School. All the money that is donated goes to the Natalee Holloway search efforts. It pays lawyers fees, and for searchers while on Aruba. I understand none of that money goes to support the Holloway/Twittys in any way. Also, Beth has not been able to work because of this. Please show a little compassion for all of them. It might do your heart good.

[jayjay]

WOW,

I just came back here!!
What the heck is going on with the person posting as a question mark...

? (Althor?????)

What are you so pissed off about?

Holy *#@$!!!

[?]

All parents of missing persons incur terrible expenses and often have to pay for private help, like searches, PI's, etc. Most will miss work. All families of missing persons deserve concern and relief for their plights, not just Beth Twitty.

Like I wrote, if you wish to drain your bank account in order to send more money to Beth Twitty, go right ahead. That is your right. One woman on another message board actually wrote that she cancelled her child's summer vacation in order to spend the money for the Beth Twitty fund. Yep, you read right. She told her child he could not have a summer vacation so that she could send the money to Beth Twitty. You might even say it was honorable? Will her kid say in 20 years, "Mom promised to take me to Disneyland, then cancelled at the last minute so she could give our vacation money to Beth Holloway. That was so cool." I doubt it.

And again, I am entitled to my opinion, a freedom I value highly as an american.

[jayjay]

?

No one, least of all me, is questioning your right to your opinion, but you seem VERY angry!!

Just an observation!!

[punkingale]

? Your opinion sucks.

[?]

Not at all, Jayjay. But I certainly feel the rage from some other posters.

What I feel is very sorry for all parents of missing persons.

The Twittys have kept the spotlight on their daughter at who knows what cost to other missing persons cases. There is only so much time and attention that the media can give to these cases and the attention given to Natalee Holloway rivals the Iraq war at this point. Truthfully, many people are far more concerned over her vanishing than our men and boys who are perishing in Iraq. Uhm, WHO went to fight for our freedoms and safety? Who, folks??

Many reporters and current events commentators have expressed their disdain for the attention this case has received at a cost to other crucial matters in the US and world. Not all news reporters support Greta. Most of them have no respect for her at all.

[?]

Yes, but I think your opinion is equally rancid, Punkingale. So? Enjoy your freedom; I enjoy mine.

[minnesota dad]

You folks are idiots....

The Twittys have kept the spotlight on this case for one reason: The Aruban authorities would bury the case ASAP if there was no pressure placed on them.

Give the Twittys credit. Where most parents of missing people in the Caribbean finally giving up, allowing local law enforcement to wash their hands, the Twittys have done a magnificent job of keeping the pressure on the Aruban Government.

This case, from day one has been a cover-up. If, like I have, you have been a victim of a government/judicial cover-up, you know exactly how they work. Come up with diversions, allow evidence to be destroyed, arrest the wrong people, etc. This case WAS NOT innocently bungled...this case was intentionally bungled and if it wasn't for the Twitty's showing up on the island...it would have been old news on May 31st of this year. This one has all of the fingerprints of misconduct by government authorities of Aruba.

The case is slowly plugging along...because of the Twittys. This case does not steal limelight from other missing persons cases. This one is receiving all of this attention because it isn't just a missing persons case, IT IS AN INTENTIONAL COVER-UP by influential folks in Aruba.

So quit ragging on the Twittys and appreciate the efforts they are taking to get justice...justice that would be buried the minute they left the island or let up on the pressure. md

[justchecking]

?
I agree with your comments. Even though I would like to see a happing ending and my heart goes out for the holloway family... but now we are arm twisting and doing every thing to get some answers which no one has .....

They have not even provided a reason why Kalpoes were arrested (not even to the defense lawyers).
Unbelivable....

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

In this forum, one is known only by how one chooses to be represented by a name, by characters on the screen, which form words, have meaning, and ultimately which convey what's in the heart.

I believe that IS the reason for its existence.

Here, it may be very similar to something Jesus Christ said,

"The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in him, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in him. But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken. For by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned." (Matthew 12)

But here, each reader makes his own judgement.

My name has meaning. You may click on it to see.

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

I believe, as DennisAOK, peggey, MinnDAD, SAM, Jaque, packerFan, georgeT, LOL, rogue730 and many others in other forums have expressed. This case is drawing continued attention because it representative of so many of these other crimes and injustices many of have faced or heard of.

The fact that so many are reading here, even those who are angered by its attention, is eveidence that it is good AND needed to have such a forum.

If typing, expressing our thoughts, communicating our feelings, is all we can do then we are doing that!

If we all stopped typing here, some search engines may stop running!!!

[clintcarter]

Just curious ?, on what do you base that only Dan is posting under his real name?

[peggy]

?....I do have great concern for our boys in Iraq.In fact,just this summer I drove past the Dover Air Force base and saw a huge C130 aircraft circling for a landing.It took my breath away when I realized that it perhaps was bringing home some of our fallen heroes.Something we never see on the news (presented to the masses as being out of respect for the families)which I find totally bogus.Don't assume that the people on this board only care about one thing.

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

Mr. Carter (I presume!)

I believe that is a good point, and a matter of much interest, since many names here seem "real!"

It's not the absence of a real name at issue here anyway, I think, but the "absence" in the chosen name... possibly the absence of "real meaning" other than an interrogative jot?

And there is, perhaps, the absence of any basis for demanding such assumptive imperatives upon posters here. There is an implied basis of some sort of "survey" having been made of not only posters in this forum (which would require an enormous amount of time to read them all!), but also a "survey of "many people" -- in order to know all their activities and concerns.. And then to be able to determine what they should be doing..... This seems incredible!!!! ?????

But, I guess that issue is clear.

[peggy]

HelloBC!!...are we to infer that ?, being from Alabama,perhaps has a history with the HT's?You know how that works.You can't stand your nextdoor neighbor,but the people three blocks away think they are wonderful? Not that any of that matters,but I am curious based upon your comment.

[Sam]

Wow ?. I bet Beth wishes she really had the clout that you seem to think she has in having the Kalpoe brothers rearrested.If she really had has much clout as you are giving her credit for this case would have been solved long ago.
You know ? there is a forum called the Bushy Haired Stranger. I think you would really enjoy it.The posters on there are all Beth haters, Texas Equusearch haters and haters of anyone trying to learn about what happened to Natalee. Why don't you give it a try? I think you would fit right in.I should have given you the link but you can probably google it.
Sam