Surprising Development In Natalee Holloway Case

Information gathered in reporting on the Natalee Holloway disappearance suggests there was actually another male who claims to have spent the night, or "crashed" at the apartment of Joran Van der Sloot on the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. As Joran's one room, one bath apartment is set off from the family home, it was suggested this was not an unusual development among some of his closest friends.

Preliminary information suggests he had planned to go out with Joran and possibly some other friends that evening, but the plans fell through. He is said to have been interrogated by the authorities in the investigation, but presently, there is no information given which suggests he is linked to any potential crime.

According to a source, he has on at least one occasion claimed that Joran Van der Sloot returned home late that evening after he was already sleeping. During a brief interaction, it is said that Joran told him he met an attractive American girl that evening and also indicated in teenage vernacular that no actual sexual activity had been involved.

It is unclear what statements, if any, the boy has made to authorities in this regard.

It is also said that he received a call from Joran Van der Sloot the next day while Joran was playing tennis after school had ended. It's claimed that that is the first Joran had heard of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and called his friend as he was unsure of what to do.

This initial report, which conflicts with some other reports on the case, is unconfirmed through additional sources at this time.

As they say ... developing.

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Comments

[bug]

Interesting..

[BeFuddled]

I'd like to know more about this witness.
All the details.
Thanks Dan.

[angelaberdine]

What are the odds of my winning the lottery?

[Taylor]

How would Joran have heard of it? After school would be what, 4 or 5 pm? Beth didn't arrive until 11 that night?

[linda]

Possibly - this is Max Arends? - I remember this name early on as someone that came in for questioning by the LE.

[dave]

That is interesting, it would mean that Joran had been lying from very early on, considering that we know he has claimed to have had sexual activity with Natalee.

[(((AG)))]

How would Joran have heard of it? After school would be what, 4 or 5 pm? Beth didn't arrive until 11 that night?

Posted by: Taylor | August 11, 2005 07:36 PM

Was it on the radio that Monday afternoon? or is this young man speaking about Tuesday - after Beth arrived?

[splash]

Another Steve Croes?

[(((AG)))]

Possibly - this is Max Arends? - I remember this name early on as someone that came in for questioning by the LE.

Posted by: linda | August 11, 2005 07:37 PM

Was Max Lorenzo's alibi??

[linda]

AG
interesting question.

[Rosebud]

it is said that Joran told him he met an attractive American girl that evening and also indicated in teenage vernacular that no actual sexual activity had been involved.

Then why did he tell the Head Master at his school that he and Natalee had "sexual relations" on the beach and then he left her?

[oldtimer]

What a mess.

[mona]

Its the freaking drugs...EVERYONES CONFUSED!!!!

[letsbefair]

Possibly - this is Max Arends? - I remember this name early on as someone that came in for questioning by the LE.

Posted by: linda | August 11, 2005 07:37 PM

Was Max Lorenzo's alibi??

Posted by: (((AG))) | August 11, 2005 07:41 PM

That's what I read. Max and Lorenzo came in at about the same time for questioning. They were supposedly together at an all night party.

[Rosebud]

shaking my head and wondering how much more bizarre can this story get

[WillUSayI'mMad]

shaking my head and wondering how much more bizarre can this story get

Posted by: Rosebud | August 11, 2005 07:53 PM

It's a soap opera.

Everynight at 7:00 pm we all tune in for As Aruba Turns.

Very sad situation. It is similar to the JonBenet murder case. It was so sensationalized that people forgot that it was a tragedy!!

[mona]

As long as the story keeps traveling AWAY from PVDS ....its all good...happy island shit. Another rouffie anyone?

[Rosebud]

Maybe, just maybe, Joran was right when he suggested that Deepak went back and did something to Natalee.

But then I go back to the "confession" that was made (Maybe)by Joran, and I want to know, if it was not really made that night, then why did the polis take Joran the next day to where he claimed they buried the body. If no confession, then why drive to a location with the suspect.

[leeza]

WillUSayI'mMad - agree 100%. That's what keeps the masses tuning in. You never know what to expect.

[Anna]

Oh, goody, another Day 73 witness. Just hope it is not Steve Croes again for he never can keep his lies straight. Surely not the dreaded Lorenzo for he has his own pad. Must be Max Arrends.

So this proves exactly nothing except confirms that Joran and Paulus were n fact LYING when they pretended to Beth they did not know Natalee was missing. Met her that evening then THE NEXT DAY called to say she was missing, that would be MONDAY. Right after school. Fits right in with what I have said all along. They knew far too soon that she was missing for the flight home was around two in the afternoon. How did they know she was not on it?

[R Nelson]

Dan:

It's obvious we need you down in Aruba! Quit your day job (What is it anyway?) and hop the next flight. We need someone able to cut through the BS, someone with insight, someone with compassion, someone with integrity, someone we can trust. Someone that can get us some answers. Someone to get Natalee home.

[Rosebud]

Anna, I agree with you.

[Roy]

sounds like a convenient new witness to me.
Also trained by PVDS.

[(((AG)))]

That's what I read. Max and Lorenzo came in at about the same time for questioning. They were supposedly together at an all night party.

Posted by: letsbefair | August 11, 2005 07:52 PM

Wasn't this party at the HI? Who else was there??

[Kap]

How convienent? They are pulling out all the stops.

[Rosebud]

You can bet your sweet a$$, this witness will not be deported or come up missing.

[linda]

Anna,
You are right. After school call on Monday - only a few hours after Natalee is missing and Joran knows and calls a friend - or a friend knows and calls Joran - wonder if any young Van Der Straatens spent the night at Joran's apartment?

[Dan]

Anna - I dont get what you're saying. By the above post, Joran would have found out afterschool the next day - the day of the flight home. That would have been around 5 or 6 PM monday evening.

[(((AG)))]

its all good...happy island shit. Another rouffie anyone?

Posted by: mona | August 11, 2005 08:00 PM

They all need a shot of sodium pentathol.

[linda]

Another thing that confuses me now. Where was this friend when Joran called and asked Deepak for a ride? Sleeping? Not there yet? They were supposed to go out right?

[linda]

Dan,
When was it public knowledge that Natalee was missing?

[(((AG)))]

Anna - I dont get what you're saying. By the above post, Joran would have found out afterschool the next day - the day of the flight home. That would have been around 5 or 6 PM monday evening.

Posted by: Dan | August 11, 2005 08:08 PM

Can you confirm (or deny) that sometime on Monday afternoon (before the Twittys arrived) something was broadcast on Arubian radio that an American girl was missing??

[Dolphin]

Hey Deepak,
so this new story might be to put you as the main suspect. What were you doing when Joran came back? I would be worried at your place. If somebody else gives a hint to find the body and makes a deal... you might get all the blame. You should make the deal first..your choice.

[GrannyToad]

I'm weighing in as cynical. Joran needs a "witness" as to when he came in. And now he'll be saying he didn't have sex after having said he did, eh.

[Dan]

What I can confirm is that Aruban police were notified with an hour or so of her not showing up in the hotel lobby. The remaining chaperone called the police. SOmeone from the beach patrol came out and, according to what I was told earlier - unconfirmed - did not file a formal report. But he may have.

Joran may well have been playing tennis indoors at night and gotten a call then - after the DEA guy met with the chaperone at the hotel. There are some possible explanations. But, frankly, what I would ask is all thsi talk about what Joran said at school, the headmaster stuff and so on - has it ever risen above the level of rumor, either? I'm not really sure.

[redpetals]

I agree with Ag, when was it announced that she was missing? They had 10 days to come up with all the "what-if's" surrounding their story, it appears to me, each time they hit a road block, the plot thickens by one of their twists, then the goose-chase begins again, and no hard evidence is found. It still centers on one line:
"no body..no case" and I believe PVDS coached it from day (or night) one. Maybe we can find out the truth, maybe we won't, but at least we all know now that Aruba is not "one happy island...crime free...paradise" more like underworld hell!!!
Natalee, we pray for you, and to your family, we support you!

[Rosebud]

But, frankly, what I would ask is all thsi talk about what Joran said at school, the headmaster stuff and so on - has it ever risen above the level of rumor, I'm not really sure.

Posted by: Dan | August 11, 2005 08:21 PM

I thought Jug said the Headmaster told him personally what Joran had claimed about what happened that night....that he had relations with Natalee, then left her on the beach.

[Dan]

ALl I'm saying is there too many "I thoughts" already ... I go on what I have seen and heard, and about half of that. The report could turn out to be flawed, as I said, only one source developing. But I asked pointed questions and even discussed possibility of a mix up. Obviously, it needs more fleshing out ... I hope it gets it. I know I'll be trying. I already started.

[azureboy]

GrannyToad wrote:
"And now he'll be saying he didn't have sex after having said he did, eh"

He said they had sex at first, cause he feared the body to be discovered soon. He knew there would have been evidence of his DNA on Natalee body. That's the reason of the (supposed) reiterated bragging about sex at school next day. He needed to make more people possible aware of it, so to testimony in court.

After the (supposed) body disposal, and after weeks and weeks of unsuccessful researches, now he feels pretty comfortable that NO evidence would ever be discovered. And so it's not necessary to claim he had sex with her anymore.

[Rosebud]

Dan, thanks for all your hard work. This is the first place I come to everyday to find out info on Natalee and what's happening in the case.

[NorthAla]

As I said before what about Freddy ? he's always with Joran an Deepak at the bar's an get togethers an his name hasnt come up yet ?

[WillUSayI'mMad]

GrannyToad wrote:
"And now he'll be saying he didn't have sex after having said he did, eh"

Which would not be all that different from the initial report stated by MB kids that Natalee left knowingly, and willingly with Joran, being converted to, "She thought she was getting into an Aruban cab driven by an Aruban cab driver."

**Does anyone remember that the MB kids said, AT FIRST, that some of them tried to prevent Natalee from leaving and she resisted them, firmly chosing to go? It's amazing how that report has disolved into nothingness. It never existed. No one ever said that. We imagined it. We-know-nothing-about-that.

[Mrs.Doobieakasleuth]

GrannyToad wrote:
"And now he'll be saying he didn't have sex after having said he did, eh"

He said they had sex at first, cause he feared the body to be discovered soon. He knew there would have been evidence of his DNA on Natalee body. That's the reason of the (supposed) reiterated bragging about sex at school next day. He needed to make more people possible aware of it, so to testimony in court.

After the (supposed) body disposal, and after weeks and weeks of unsuccessful researches, now he feels pretty comfortable that NO evidence would ever be discovered. And so it's not necessary to claim he had sex with her anymore.

Posted by: azureboy | August 11, 2005 08:31 PM

These are pure speculation posts, rumours, not facts,opinions, not facts, it's this kind of posting that we love to do, but that has only clouded the facts from the fiction.

The facts are really very very few, including what the HT's know, or think they know.

My personal experience with 17 year old males, is that they are fully capable of changing stories at any given time. As far as that goes, so are 17 year old females.

We have all had our ten minutes or more of arm chair sleuthing, but our soap opera/national enquirer mentality has made us all sure that we know who did it and why. Really, we have no proof of anything.

[bravhrt]

Joran did go home late in the evening, temporarily, and then left again. He had already met NH and at that time had not had sex with her. And the next afternoon, after school, Joran didn't need Beth or the news media to tell him there was a problem with Natalee. Sounds like a witness for the procecution. Joran admits knowledge of Nataklee's disappearance before anyone else on Aruba knew.

[azureboy]

Mrs.Doobieakasleuth, did you see the "(supposed)" I included twice in my post? I agree this is speculation, and you are right about that and all the rest. But we're discussing our opinions here, I guess, not only "facts". Otherwise, there wouldn't be anything else to discuss anymore since two months ago.

[scubajap]

Possibly - this is Max Arends? - I remember this name early on as someone that came in for questioning by the LE.

Don't think it is Max-I know his father very well, and he told me he is not that close to Joran, and this was a month ago, and all the classmates were brought in for questioning-not only Max

[(((AG)))]

Don't think it is Max-I know his father very well, and he told me he is not that close to Joran, and this was a month ago, and all the classmates were brought in for questioning-not only Max

Posted by: scubajap | August 11, 2005 09:07 PM

Is this the Max that is Lorenzo's alibi or is there another Max?

[scubajap]

Just got off the phone with Bibi (Max,sr) Arends, Max's father. They are sitting in a movie theatre in Orlando, Florida at this very moment, because Max is going to school there. So I doubt he is giving a statement in Aruba. Bibi informs me Max has never stayed over in Joran's house.

[Shari]

Yeah, I'm sure their plans fell through for that evening...maybe it was because Joran was busy digging a grave.

[icey]

Interesting story,,, At this point I'll say that it's a manufactured witness and story, with the intent of clearing jvds.

Interesting how jvds never seemed to remember this witness of his wherabouts on that night.

pvds... Terrible story..Try again.

icey