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Hello said:
The mother is grandstanding and she is losing support with her methods. Let LE do the investigation...


Oh now HERE'S a great idea!!! Gee, why didn't someone think of this before??? Yes, by all means let us let the Aruban Law Enforcement DO THEIR JOB (donut anyone?) and she should just keep her apron on and stay where she belongs, at home and in the kitchen. (barefoot too?)

I watched that weenie on the video with that poor woman desperately seeking solution. How she ever stayed on one side of the counter is beyond me...Batman comics come to mind...(POW!)

But that's just me.

Kap,

I have to say your last post gave me my first laugh of the day! Thanks.

On a serious note, BHT did nothing wrong by visiting the cowardly Kalpoe. Of course, he would have to report her to the police because he is a big p*ss. I guess its ok for Natalee to be sexually assaulted and probably killed, but God forbid cowardly Kaploe feels a bit uncomfortable at his job. This whole case is just UNBELIEVABLE and I hope Beth continues to conduct visits with anyone she can to try and get info.

I support her 100% and my checks will keep arriving to her, to make sure she can visit with freaky Kalpoe as much as she wants! I am sure others will continue to support her also.

KeyLargoGirl..me too! I support her 100% and if Deep got a WIDDLE BIT SCAWRD then..TFB.


How does it feel?

Did anyone hear on the MNBC last night that the
Kalpoe brothers had been ousted from their own island and that is why they are living with their grandmother? The reporter stated they were ousted because of a similar situation.

Beth continue to get in his face. Send others to get in his face. You are not breaking the law by asking about your daughter. I probably would have lost it by now and punch him in the face. That was the perfect opportunity for him to say he had nothing to do with it but obviously he's guilty about something.

Now is the time to be a man Deepak.
Now is the time to tell the truth.
Now is the time to change from being a coward.
Now is the time to tell what you did with Nat.

I liked the idea of everyone on the island whom supports the Holloways in their quest for justice to go to the cafe to ask Deepak, go to the VDS and ask Papa VDS questions, find Steve and ask him questions, just hit em all with questions every slimey last one of em. Turn the tables on em. This is taking way too long the Holloways are way too patient. It is amazing, they can write Beth a letter to leave shitpack alone, but she is not allowed to ask questions about her daughter who these slime buckets admitted to raping...Man what is wrong with this picture. Dan post the address to where I can send more money, This is crys out for Americans to help the Holloways.

In reply to Vincent's statement about JonBenet Ramsey. JonBenet was killed by her mother, because her mother walked in and caught JonBenet having sex with the John Ramsey, an incestous relationship that was going on for a long time.

Patsy Ramsey is guilty of killing JonBenet.

John Ramsey had been having an incestous relationship with his daughter, Diane, from his first marriage until she grew up and moved away.

Patsy Ramsey needs to be sent to a woman's prison in Texas.

The woman in the prisons there do not take kindly to woman who murder their children.

John Ramsey need to be castrated, cut those balls off. He can't rape children if he has no balls.

Kalpoe needs to withdraw his harrassment lawsuit and go help get Natalee out of the well at van der Sloot's, so that her parents cab give her a proper burial.

I think that Natalee's parents should file a lawsuit against the Kalpoes for taking their daughter and abandoning her on the beach with no transportation back to the hotel.

I guess these stupid men thought Natalee could get back to the hotel on her own.

Come on!

I think one lawsuit deserves another. COME ON PARENTS OF NATALEE. FILE A LAWSUIT AGAINST THESE MEN FOR KIDNAPPING NATALEE AWAY FROM A BAR SINCE SHE WAS IN NO CONDITION TO GET BACK TO THE HOTEL ON HER OWN.

Mr.Bush should Make Beth a AMBASSADOR to Aruba then the Aruba goverment chould not legally harass her.Im proud of you Beth ITS NOT OVER UNTIL WE WIN

TOA

Geeez, You must be smart enough to never make a mistake in your life, huh? I highly doubt that. Why don't you give a break to an 18 year old girl, and blame the idiots who caused this to happen. I am so glad you are not my Father, because you sound rather abusive, and you sound like you have a problem with women. Quite simply, you are a jerk!!!

Oh, and find a website that talks people who are perfect, and just where you might fit in. hahaha.

Hello,

By your line of reasoning, no one would ever perform any act of altuism and there would be no system of justice. Why help a drowning person you don't know? It's no loss to anyone but his own family if he drowns. Why punish acts of rape or murder? It wasn't your or my daughter.

We would return to the jungle.

JustMe,

Thanks for the post. Kipling was good, wasn't he?

keylargogirl - I stop worrying about people who make assine comments without knowing what and the hell they are talking about like TOA. It's easy for people like that to sit back and be an arm chair quarterback when in fact if they were EVER faced with the reality of what Beth is going through they CAN'T say for 100 percent certanity what they would do (in the same situation).

TOA makes the first mistake in stating that Natalee has disappeared before on other islands when that IN FACT has been disputed rather matter of factly. It's simply NOT TRUE. Isn't it funny that people use RUMORS and NON-TRUTHS to try and prove something when in fact they know NOTHING?

The second mistake this tool makes is that he simply thinks Natalee just got into the car willingly with the 3 boys. I believe she knew Joran (who stated he was a tourist staying at the HI) and she was duped by Joran that they both were getting into a cab to go back to the hotel. SHE DIDN'T TAKE THE FIRST STEP. Those predatory punks took the first lethal step.

I am amazed your daughter would make a comment like that when she DOESN'T know Natalee from the hole in her head where her brains are seeping out. Natalee BY ALL ACCOUNTS (those who knew her) said Natalee didn't sleep around. Why would they need to lie about that? Of course, reading YOUR back yard way of raising children, threatening with death if they ever made a mistake, duped or otherwise does not suprise me she would say something like that. Let me give YOU a piece of advice: First, open your eyes and learn about what you are talking about before sticking your foot in your mouth.

Thank you....NO GO AWAY!

Kip, You are absolutely right.

I am tired of certain people on this board who view themselves as so high and mighty that they can judge the actions of Natalee and her family. They are going through absolute hell right now, and the problem is that people such as our brilliant TOA think that him and his daughter are smarter than everyone else.

I also agree with you that Natalee got in that car under false pretenses and had no idea that she was going to be stuck with the cowering Kalpoes. Urine lied from the beginning about his age and where he lived. Natalee was a young, somewhat sheltered girl who never stood a chance against those three perverts. I really think she believed she was getting into a cab too. I also think she was definitely given some kind of date rape drug. Natalee is the innocent one in this, why not bitch at the three idiots and call them stupid.

Again, TOA is a jerk.

Kip, I always enjoy your posts. You make alot of sense, and I totally agree with you.

Natalee's family is going through hell. No one doubts that.

But, there are limits as to what they can do as they scour Aruba. Right now in the eyes of the law, Deepok is an innocent man.

Now all of you that poo poo Aruban Law enforcement and advocate vigilante justice, are talking out of both sides of your mouth at once.

You seem to want the four suspects prosecuted under the law, yet you show no respect for the law when you advocate taking it into your own hands.

Either you believe in rule of law or you don't.

If I was Deepok, I too would file harrasement charges as well against Beth. We might suspect what Deepok has done or not done in the disappearance of Natalee...but in the absence of proof we know one thing. Beth is harrassing him on the job....and that's out of line in my opinion.

If I was Deepok, I too would file harrasement charges as well against Beth. We might suspect what Deepok has done or not done in the disappearance of Natalee...but in the absence of proof we know one thing. Beth is harrassing him on the job....and that's out of line in my opinion.

Posted by: Not a Hand Wringer | August 10, 2005 11:51 AM

She spoke to him once at his place of employment, asking questions about her missing daughter, with whom he and his buddies were seen last with.It was also video taped for the total protection of the content of the conversation.
As per the Twittys Arubian Attorney: Beth has every right to ask questions about her daughter to anyone.

I think harrassment is continual pestering, or bothering...

Not a Hand Wringer: Excellent post! You seem to be someone with actual respect for the rule of law, instead of being someone who simply claims to be a nonpracticing lawyer who doesn't understand the ethics of legal activity. (You know to whom I am referring).
Thanks for a moment of sanity that nonetheless will be lost in a sea of babbling by people who can't do anything but spread false accusations.

Patrick,

Sorry to jump in here this morning considering you posted last night, but as Jason said, you are incorrect with regard to the legality of "orders of protection" or "restraining orders".

Legally, there must be proof of a pattern of behavior and a perceived, imminent threat of violence or physical harm.

In the personal issue that you described there must have some proof of a pattern of behavior in order for the court to have granted that "restraining order".

Could the police arrest you as they did? Yes they can, but the arrest must have been for trespassing!

Not A hand wringer,

Beth has every right to approach ANYONE she chooses unless instructed legally not to do so. I do however agree with your other assessment, those posting here speaking of vigilante justice yet wanting LE to prosecute are hurting their credibility.

Although I do think a lot of it stems from the frustration we ALL feel about this case. Sometimes it makes us feel better so say what we would like to do even if we would never actually do it…

It seems that the "Monday Morning Lawyer" from the college campus legal library is at it again...
And,

YOU know to whom I am referring to!!!

TOA,

Have you COMPLETELY lost your mind?

For starters, and this is the last time I will say this, Beth is WELL within her rights to approach anyone she wants.

Should she have exercised better judgment? Absolutely

Natalee is on a beach somewhere laughing???? You my friend need to seek a little help!!!

If the masses are wrong here, and Natalee should appear in another island, I think we would eat crow happily. How are the others going to feel if the masses are correct?

TOA - more untruths told by you. Beth ABSOLUTELY said that Natalee has never run away or run off anywhere at anytime. I saw her speak to this with my own two ears. Another is the fact that Beth re-interviewed these Mt. Brook kids and went over her notebook full of investigation notes and came to the conclusion Natalee thought she was going back to the hotel. Your quote is not correct. She did not say, "I'm going with these guys and they will drop me off at the hotel later..." Where do you get your lies from? Someone should ban you for just making up stuff to further your own needs.

I will take the word of the mother of the victim, her father and her step father before I would buy anything you say because I've already proven that you spew lies and don't have one iota of a clue what you are talking about.

You claim to know what all these classmates said, how do you know more than Beth? Ever heard of the pot calling the kettle black...Don't preach to me about NOBODY knows what happened, yet turn around and claim you know what they said. You don't know jack. You don't know the people you say you know. You don't. You're a damn liar and it's already been proven as such.

You can keep claiming you idotic theory that she's on some beach somewhere on purpose. That's the dumbest damn thing I have ever heard in my life. This girl had college and a future to look forward to and it was taken away by two scrawny little surinamese punks and a dutch sloth. The fact of the matter is you won't put your money where your mouth is with that particular idiotic theory that she ran away. I'm sure she would run off to some other island leaving her passport, her clothes, money, etc in her hotel room. I'm sure she jumped on some boat at 2:00am in the morning. Why don't you think before you say stupid moronic things?

Your a piece of trash. You, Joran and the Kalpoes deserve each other.

Tell me, If BHT thought for one moment her daughter was alive and well somewhere else, why would she subject herself to the three wastes of skin in Arbua...Put the cork back on the bottle and go back to sleep.

KAP,

If you were reading my mind, I demand to know how you did it...LOL

VERY well put!!!!!!

J4all,

You too!!

Oh my god KAP hahahaha,chill brother,You need a vacation man,are you stressed?

For anyone who missed seeing the video of Beth Twitty questioning Deepak, it is available on MSNBC/Scarborough Country. I think anyone who wants to comment on the issue should see the video of what actually took place before speaking out. Also, as to whether or not Beth broke any law, this issue was addressed by the Aruban lawyer Arlene Ellis-Schipper on Fox last night. Arlene stated that nothing Beth did could be construed as threatening and basically the Kalpoe lawyers' complaint is frivolous.

Beth was conducting business in the internet cafe - in the video you can clearly see her handing diskettes to Deepak and she stated she was having pictures printed there. She also states that she will be going back as she has more pictures to print.

As for Deepak stating he doesn't need the reward money, a few weeks ago when I googled his name, I found several ads he had posted listing new, unused pieces of computer equipment for sale. Maybe he has a side business [other than drugs :)]

Beth did not break any laws.

Deepak is just trying to scare her off. He can't face the music. He is a little man inside and outside.

TOA : You know what bothers me,on sunday nights lots of people go te the moomba beach thats a beachclub between Marriot and holiday inn,you know chilling on the beach live music and this goes on till like 2 in the morning,so dont you think that maybe Natalee ran into other guys that night when Joran left her on the beach?
I also heard when i was in aruba few weeks ago that some of these students were at the beach,swimmingpool and the lobby till the early morning.Why did none of her girlfriends asked themselves like hey where is natalee? She drove of with these guys but she's still not here!!!

Yes I do need a vacation and it's coming in a couple of weeks and I can't wait. I can't wait to chill on the outerbanks of North Carolina for a week of golf, sun and spending time with my almost 8 month old son.

I don't need to chill. I'm just tired of these blowhearts (for lack of a better word) spewing lies that have already been proven false from the horses (lack of better word), Beth's, mouth about the running away, etc...

Common sense tells you what happened ESPECIALLY in light of Beth's revelation that Joran freely admitted in front of at least 6 witnesses that he sexually assaulted Natalee in Deepak's car with Deepak driving. To me that speaks volumes of what happened next. You don't need to be Sherlock Holmes to figure that out.

Her stalking may be inpressing people, but it still won't accomplish a thing.

I really think she is hurting her own cause.

Miss Aruba,

You may have had a legit question, if not for all the lies told, things from there own mouths and the daddy's mouth. How can anyone explain that stuff? "NO BODY NO CRIME" WIPE OUT YOUR COMPUTERS...GOING TO THE CELL PHONE STORE TO ERASE CALLS MADE... SHE'S BURIED HERE, NO SHE'S BURIED THERE..HE RAPED HERE,,,NO WE ALL HAD SEX WITH HER. SHE WAS IN THE FRONT SEAT...SHE WAS IN THE BACK SEAT...

I think it would be cool if a bunch of American men went to the Internet Cafe, and put more pressure on Deepak. How could they do this without be accused of "harassment"? Well, it's easy enough. Don't ask him any direct questions, and generally ignore him.

But, go into the Internet Cafe wearing t-shirts with different slogans, such as:

"Rapists & Murderers Deserve to Die"
"Men Who Rape Women Should Be Castrated"
"If You Kill Someone, Prepare to Be Killed"
etc., etc.

Then, while these men are in the cafe, they can converse with each other. The topic of the conversations (said in clearly audible voices) would be what they would do so someone, if their daughter was kidnapped, raped, and murdered. What they would say to each other could be scripted out, and be pretty terrifying stuff.

HOWEVER, AT NO TIME, WOULD ANYONE LOOK AT DEEPAK WHILE SAYING ANYTHING, and ALL STATEMENTS WOULD BE IN REFERENCE TO SOME APPARENTLY "HYPOTHETICAL" CRIME, IF IT WERE TO HAVE HAPPENED.

I think if some American men had the courage to do this, and planned it carefully, they could not possibly be charged with "harassment". However, I think having this kind of activity going on in front him, would scare the crap out of Deepak. Maybe he would finally get the idea into his head that he should come clean to save his own skin !

I think getting these guys out of their "I'm safe in Aruba comfort zone" would be a good idea.

Deepak will be quiting or be fired from his job, would not suprise me if it already happened.

He can't take it.

MissAruba, TOA, etc...

The collective "WE" may not know ALL the facts of the case, we may not know ALL the evidence LE has or does not have. However, we are basing our deductions on the information that we DO have and HAVE been told.

The two of you on the other hand, seem to do nothing but make outlandish, ludicrous statements based on NOTHING! Are you simply trying to stir the pot and cause problems, or do you actually believe the ridiculous statements you throw out?

TOA,

For you to make claims of things you know from people "in the know" tell me that you have some serious psychological issues you need to work out!

KAP=JUGG (head).

TOA and MissAruba,

They are trolls

paradigm - Wow! You sure got me with that one? LOFL! You're so clever...They teach you that in kindergarten? Isn't time for you to catch the short bus?

I agree they are trolls. Isn't there some kind of psycho bash innocent Natalee website or Cowering Kalpoes and freaky Urine website they can go to???

I am tired of hearing their rude and ignorant rambling.......

Guess some people are just that bored, they just have to stir the pot. Get a life, and quit attacking a defenseless and most likely dead ( as much as I hate to say that) girl.

Hey,

If you go to this web site:

http://www.world66.com/centralamericathecaribbean/thecaribbean/aruba/internetcafes/cafe_internet?modified=1

for the "Cafe Internet", you can actually edit the text ad for the internet cafe. I've added a paragraph at the bottom of it to the effect that you "maybe you'll be served by the murder suspect himself" . . . and a special note to Depak. So, if anybody want to have fun with that, be my guest. But you'd better be fast, because I expect that when your comments start to appear and someone twigs to it, it'll be removed or locked out.

Good Day!

Linda

Deepak is a coward!

Linda

You are clever, just missing a picture of monkey boy...

Now that we are on the subject of s**^t,
Did Van Der Stratten drop of the face of the world? Did they get current DNA for the deadly 3?

I can't believe that there are only two people searching the landfill for Natalee. That is a huge job! It figures Aruba wouldn't even have people in there, such as police etc. They just don't care to find Natalee. That would then ruin their very obvious cover up. Basically, Beth has been doing this investigation herself, and I find it disgusting that the Arubian government is so inept and corrupt that BHT has to conduct her own investigation. This is a total outrage, and it may not count for much, but I will never step foot on Aruba again.

I also find it peculiar that the three idiots and their families have not helped to search for Natalee at all. If they are so innocent, why not help to search. That says alot to me. They are liars and cowards and I hope they get what they deserve and more. I think if found guilty, they should be charged double for letting this search continue to go on, and torturing Natalee's family while knowing where she is. That sucks and they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it!!

Whatever Keylargogirl..whatever..

Have a nice day..

Miss Aruba,

Whatever??? I just speak the truth. If you do live in Aruba, can you please get your messed up government to quit thinking us Americans are so dumb to believe a word that they say. This has not been an investigation from the start, it has been a cover up. I 'm sorry if that is offensive to you, but I call it like I see it.

I hope you have a nice day also.

Oh, and one other thing. Maybe the Arubian government can at least give the two searchers the equiptment they need to find Natalee. Since they won't get off their ass themselves, an extra bulldozer would be appreciated, I'm sure, since the searcher said they are only working with one. Unbelievable!!

Maybe we now need to start a collection toward the necessary machinery to complete the landfill search!!

Go stick with your own MissAruba and leave us Americans alone. Your incompetent and extremely corrupt government and police force are to blame for this circus in Aruba.

You know the scumbags?

Give them this message: Karma is a MFer. They will get what is coming to them somewhere sometime. Deepak is already running scared. I believe he messed his underwear when Beth was sitting right in front of him. I hope Natalee haunts him and all those Arubans who are helping in this conspiracy from the Ruben Tranppenburg to Karin Janseen to retired PC Jan Van de Stratten, etc.....

I told my wife we'll never go to Aruba, but if these FREAKS walk, I may go for the chance opportunity I may meet them and for the chance to call a real-life murderer a murderer to his face. I haven't seen OJ yet so I guess I can wait for the Kalpoe geeks and the Dutch Sloth.

Why is Deepsh*t so afraid of Beth?
Hey if I didn't do it, I'd have no problem facing somebody. Liars think they can hide behind their lies. So Deepsh*t, I hope Beth or heck maybe Jug visists today

Deepak
you have to deal your way out of this when you have the chance.

Miss Aruba: you really believe Joran left her on the beach? What lie was that from Joran, his 4th 5th,6th, I think we have all lost count. Did you check the beach for Joran's shoes while you were there?

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