Judge Wants Sworn Testimony In Hollloway Disappearance

Sworn testimony from a witness who claims to have seen Joran Van der Sloot near a pond on the night of Natalee Holloway's disappearance could serve as evidence in holding Vander Sloot beyond the current September 4 release date.

A judge in Aruba is seeking sworn testimony from someone who claims he saw a suspect in the disappearance of an American teenager the night the girl vanished.

The lead investigator tells The Associated Press the man says he saw the suspect (Joran van der Sloot) with two friends near a hotel pond late that night.

The suspect has told authorities he was already at home by that time.

Comments

[Shari]

It's about time. They supposedly did the voice test on him and found that he was telling the truth.

[Shari]

Just to clarify, when they reviewed his confession, no deception was detected.

[coco]

Just to clarify, when they reviewed his confession, no deception was detected.

Posted by: Shari | August 5, 2005 03:37 PM

Shari, would you please further clarify who 'he' refers to? Do you mean the witness or Jv/dS?

[clintcarter]

She's talking about Dan.

[Shari]

What I had heard on the news was they did this voice thing on the guy who supposedly witnessed her being placed at the dump. He showed no deception. However, this article is referring to someone regarding the pond incident. I do hope they're taking sworn testimony form the guy from the dump as well.

[(((CIndyLouWho)))]

This could be a great source of relief for Beth, although finding Natalee would give her closure.

[tomboy]

Not one "nice, sweet, innocent" person of any age goes into Carlos & Charlie's on Aruba, hangs out there for hours, and stays until "closing time" with the "booty dances" and "body shots" for free booze, the "simulated sex" and other shenanigans onstage, the "dirty dancing" between patrons, drugs readily available inside and on the sidewalk outside, and all of the other decadent behavior without taking part in the "fun" activities. There's no other reason for anyone to be there. And every one of Carlos & Charlie's patrons drinks alcoholic beverages.

[scubajap]

the voice testing equipment has already been shown to be completely unreliable. They tested it on visiting American reporters making statements that were true and false, and the only lie detected was actually a true statement. Those results count for nothing and are not admissible in court.
And I am here working with the press in Aruba and this was told to me directly by the reporter tested.

[outraged]

Shari, thnks for clarifying. The pond is moot. All that does is contradict a timeline. No proof of any crime.

The land fill is another matter. If they do find her there, I hope he can shed some light on the ind's he saw. Place someone at a crime scene.

Based on what I heard from TES yesterday, the dogs apparently had heavy hits in one area. They were suppose to dig deeper today, and expect (as they put it) to find something "big".
These hits apprently were unigue and much different from other detections.

I believe Natalee is in there. Hopefully, they can find her. Or, on the bright side, at least eliminate any chance of her being there. If that's possible.

At least for now, no news is good news.

[Susan]

This would be a good thing to do on all future "witnesses", especially if the reward money changes. Does anyone know if this is the gardner who is supposed to give a sworn testimony?

[VASteve]

Tomboy -

Nice judgement. You'll gain a lot of respect that way.

Natalee is innocent. She's missing, it's not her fault.

[letsbefair]

Shari, thnks for clarifying. The pond is moot. All that does is contradict a timeline. No proof of any crime.

The land fill is another matter. If they do find her there, I hope he can shed some light on the ind's he saw. Place someone at a crime scene.

Based on what I heard from TES yesterday, the dogs apparently had heavy hits in one area. They were suppose to dig deeper today, and expect (as they put it) to find something "big".
These hits apprently were unigue and much different from other detections.

I believe Natalee is in there. Hopefully, they can find her. Or, on the bright side, at least eliminate any chance of her being there. If that's possible.

At least for now, no news is good news.

Posted by: outraged | August 5, 2005 04:05 PM

Where have we heard that one before? Was it the hit at the quarry? All you have to do is listen to the "so called" witness to realize they won't find anything.

[Susan]

I agree Tomboy. However, this is not to say that she deserved this. Bloggers, please do not infer this from my view! She was there to have a good time with friends, and yes this may have involved "not so sweet dancing", but that's why people go to these places is to have a good time.

[DennisAOK]

Do we know if this is the sme witness that Jossy brought in last week, or a new one?

[DennisAOK]

scubajap,

I had a couple of questions for you on #105 at 3:29pm.

[Victoria]

We from the states, send our kids to college in the fall and think nothing of it, a senior trip is only a few months earlier. I am a mother of a 30 year old that went to Cancun for her senior trip at the age of 17, and yes Carlos and Charlies is there too, but the kids from the states are not use to being able to go to the bars, and if Joran was ordering shots of 151 for the girls, it would not take but a couple of shots to be well on your way, not to mention drugs being slipped to gals, rape drugs have been a problem. Let's not blame Natalee and her parents, thousands of our kids from the states go on senior trips. How can anyone really believe Joran, the brothers and yes, Daddy Van der sloot didn't have anything to do with it. It happens in the states too, money and prestige go hand and hand, and the rich kids get off, especially with a daddy that is a judge in training helping by letting the boys know, no body, no charges.

[Long John]

This thread is based on an old AP report that just made it's way to a slow CBS website.

There's no news like old news.

[Victoria]

We from the states, send our kids to college in the fall and think nothing of it, a senior trip is only a few months earlier. I am a mother of a 30 year old that went to Cancun for her senior trip at the age of 17, and yes Carlos and Charlies is there too, but the kids from the states are not use to being able to go to the bars, and if Joran was ordering shots of 151 for the girls, it would not take but a couple of shots to be well on your way, not to mention drugs being slipped to gals, rape drugs have been a problem. Let's not blame Natalee and her parents, thousands of our kids from the states go on senior trips. How can anyone really believe Joran, the brothers and yes, Daddy Van der sloot didn't have anything to do with it. It happens in the states too, money and prestige go hand and hand, and the rich kids get off, especially with a daddy that is a judge in training helping by letting the boys know, no body, no charges.

[outraged]

Where have we heard that one before? Was it the hit at the quarry? All you have to do is listen to the "so called" witness to realize they won't find anything.

Posted by: letsbefair | August 5, 2005 04:11 PM

Hits at the land fill. Due to their aggressive behavior, the dogs apparently were detecting heavy scents. Also, I don't think a quarry falls under the definition of a land fill. That is, I don't think they're excavating for slate or limestone. As for the credibility of the witness, I hope you're right. Unfortunately, for some, the jury is still out.

[leeza]

I was just watching Catherine Crier (sorry, that's the last time I do that). TJ Ward said the gardener skipped out on his own. So for the conspiracy theorists, he was not deported, something about having to give a court-ordered deposition had him running to his home country.
Now a little humor - Crier asked Ward what is the gardener's home COUNTRY. Ward said South America or Columbia. First, for a PI I would think he would know where his best witness went. Second, since when was South America a country? The Twittys need to get a refund for his services.

[markmywords]

Come forward people. This is a small island . Many People know the answers.The truth shall be revealed. You know who you are. Have no fear... The truth will set you free...

[chicken little (formerly known as the professor)]

Just to clarify, when they reviewed his confession, no deception was detected.
Posted by: Shari | August 5, 2005 03:37 PM

Shari, would you please further clarify who 'he' refers to? Do you mean the witness or Jv/dS?
Posted by: coco | August 5, 2005 03:45 PM

She's talking about Dan.
Posted by: clintcarter | August 5, 2005 03:52 PM

I thought I'd repost these messages. Just for a little humor.

[dalejrfan]

Hey All, just got home from work, saw what is posted here.... ? is... why is witness from pond's testimony wanted and not landfill witness? Have I missed something? By the way, TGIF to all!

[dalejrfan]

Hello... where did everyone go? Just waiting on a response from someone....

Hey All, just got home from work, saw what is posted here.... ? is... why is witness from pond's testimony wanted and not landfill witness? Have I missed something? By the way, TGIF to all!

[Shari]

Unless I missed something, the supposed witness at the landfill was not asked to give a sworn testimony as of yet. Am I wrong? And why hasn't it been suggested to the Holloway family?

[b.hrt]

We know that Natalee was at C&C's that night. We know she drank alcohol. There is a picture posted previously on this blog that I think shows enough of her blouse/top to identify her as being on the stage, where one could probably assume that she was dancing. I haven't heard any reports of her drinking body shots, dirty dancing, grinding on any one else on stage, shaking her butt or buying drugs. The only report that she was "very drunk" comes from an admitted lier. So I'm not really getting what Tomboy is trying to say here. Is it that all people who go to C&C's are whores and drunks? That everyone there must have been behaving licensiously, that this is what caused Natalee to come to a bad end? That she somehow deserved what happened to her because she was in this wicked place? This is nefarious crap. Out of a crowd of people at C&C's that night-countless nights and countless crowds in fact, doing whatever they did, only one is missing. A cute girl, about 5'-2" tall (5'-4"?) with a promising future and an exemplary social and academic record and a healthy relationship with her parents. Undoubtedly not perfect, maybe not completely untouched by worldliness but certainly a daughter most parents would be proud to call their own. She was last seen in the company of a disarming 17 year old male who even at his young age was into porn, gambling, sneeking out at night, carousing around until 2:00 and 3:00 am on school nights, club hopping, drunkeness and driving while underage. This is a kid that posted his favorite song was by a rapper who trashes women sexually, who reportedly brags about his conquests, who had\has web profiles up on multiple sites trolling for female contacts, who apparently thinks this case and the media coverage is something to laugh about and at a time when honesty would be essential...expedient...demanded, in finding out what has happened to this young lady, this 6'-4" irresponsible gorilla lies like a rug. He and his b*ngh*le buddies are lying every time they open their mouths.

Don't talk about how not innocent Natalee was.

And another thing...Natalee wouldn't have had to have been drunk, or under the influence of xtacy to have been over powered by lurch and company. Just interested enough to trust him to ride around for a while and then take her back to the hotel. Maybe hoping to exchange addresses, talk about a future chance to see each other in college, maybe a little "necking" and romance. Certainly not "street-wise", not expecting to get roughed up, raped, not something a sheltered Southern girl would expect from a man. Innocent? Yeah. I say so.

Ladies, not every male is a man. Don't ever assume that they are.

[bubble]

There's no other reason for anyone to be there. And every one of Carlos & Charlie's patrons drinks alcoholic beverages.

Posted by: tomboy | August 5, 2005 03:58 PM

BULL! I went to C & C's. I went for dinner, with my husband and my daughter. I went for dinner because I was on vacation and it was an establishment that was popular with tourists. I don't drink alcohol because I just don't like it, it makes me ill.

Some people actually go to bars with their friends and drink non-alcoholic beverages. They go for the enjoyment of the company of their friends and a night out.

[birmingham dog]

I see some of us have bought into the angelic painting of at least 1 teenager. Myself would have more emphathy if BT were to just tell it like it is. And not to paint with such a broad brush. What you say abut Joran could be said about at least 75% of the teenage boys in the USA.

Let's all just be real and stop being illogical.

GWD

[Paulo]

b.hrt,

Love your post! I feel that you state very well who and where the allegations are coming from and hence, no credibility.

As for me, I would appreciate it enormously if some folks would "manner up" before coming to a distingushed board such as Riehl World View. There are plenty of other places where one could write as much smut as one desires, normally at the end of any news piece it is under "Discussions."

In addition, please refrain from taking cheap shots at people who may not even be alive; moreover, try and respect those who survive the lost.

Thank you,

Paulo

[calista]

Based on what I heard from TES yesterday, the dogs apparently had heavy hits in one area. They were suppose to dig deeper today, and expect (as they put it) to find something "big".
These hits apprently were unigue and much different from other detections.

I believe Natalee is in there. Hopefully, they can find her. Or, on the bright side, at least eliminate any chance of her being there. If that's possible.

At least for now, no news is good news.

Posted by: outraged | August 5, 2005 04:05 PM

how many times have we heard that the dogs have "hit" on something and it turns out to be nada

[Treehugger]

The real story is in Mountain Brook, everyone knows it.
It all begins and ends there, under piles of lies.
Leave the land of Aruba alone, Beth and Jug, you have caused enough damage, to the people and the land !
Go home, tell your friends and family to 'fess up !
The truth will set you free !

[birmingham dog]

From a Birmingham News channel----

"BIRMINGHAM, Ala. -- The Natalee Holloway case's main suspect, Joran van der Sloot, was no stranger to the Mountain Brook group. He'd been hanging out with them all week, according to one of Holloway's friends, NBC 13 reported.

Jamie Justice said she got to know van der Sloot at the Black Jack table.

"The way he came off wasn't at all in a threatening way," Justice said. "He was really naive to everybody."

Justice and many of Holloway's friends thought van der Sloot was a fellow tourist.

"He didn't look like one of the locals and he didn't act like one of the locals," Justice said. "He acted more like he was just down there vacationing."

On May 30, Holloway and her friends headed to the beach and pool around 10:00 a.m. for a full day of sun. At 8:30 p.m., they had dinner in the hotel restaurant and then went to the hotel casino where Holloway met van der Sloot. At about 11 p.m., Holloway and her friends went to Carlos and Charlie's Bar where they once again ran into van der Sloot.

Justice said Holloway spent most the night with her friends, not van der Sloot. However, at about 1:30 a.m. Holloway and van der Sloot left the bar together.

Justice says although Holloway is a sweet person she isn't overly trusting."--end quote- link here at http://www.nbc13.com/news/4658874/detail.html

So this Girl that Knows Natalee says this about Joran, who is telling the TRUTH. Beth Twity or someone that was there on that trip and spent time with both Natalee and Joran while they were together ????

Some of you need to get some persepctive.

GWD

[letsbefair]

Typical prosecutor. They could care less if the witness was telling the truth. As long as they can use it in their case for new evidence to hold Joran. The Kalpoes were online at 2:00am. The witness was manufactured by Jossy to sell newspapers.

[post hoc, ergo propter hoc]

"Just to clarify, when they reviewed his confession, no deception was detected."

"What I had heard on the news was they did this voice thing on the guy who supposedly witnessed her being placed at the dump. He showed no deception. However, this article is referring to someone regarding the pond incident. I do hope they're taking sworn testimony form the guy from the dump as well."

posted by Shari

Shari-

What are you talking about? Who confessed??? I didn't hear that someone confessed. Why is no one asking her who confessed?? Am I the only one who wonders what you mean? Are you saying that someone confessed to this murder? And showed no deception when he confessed to it??

[post hoc, ergo propter hoc]

Did none of you go to high school or college? Did none of you who went to college have many friends? Here is why I ask: I am 25, went to high school at a private catholic school, went to college at the 2nd biggest university in the country, which was public, and now go to a private law school. I have known many Natalee Holloways throughout my life in school--and by that I mean smart, attractive, driven, successful (academic and otherwise), and social girls from wealthy families. They are a dime a dozen where I went to high school (at least the all girls school), and I've met plenty elsewhere. For some reason, neither the media nor these girls parents have any idea what their private life is like. Some of them are innocent, and some are girls who want to have fun. I've known girls just like Natalee who end up being huge drug addicts, alcoholics, promiscuous, and rowdy. They will hang out at seedy bars, drug parties, regular parties, and the like until the sun comes up, engaging in everything from cocaine to casual sex.

Now before I get yelled at, I'd like the quick-lipped to reread the above and notice that I have NOT said that Natalee was like these other women in the sense of doing these "bad" things. My point is that you shouldn't bring up her background and her adademic achievments as a reason she would not be a "bad" girl. Girls like Natalee are assumed pure and innocent; my point is that they very often are not, and this is just a generalization--no different than one who says someone of a certain race will act a certain way.

[BrownEyedGirl]

Paulo & b.hurt say it best...thank God for real men that have the guts to tell it like it is.

Girls may fall for the pretenders, but most women are wise enough to tell the difference...tragically, too many learn after hard life lessons.

[mishy]

This is what worries me:
since the guy saw the suspects dumping a body at the landfill, they might have seen him watching them and gone back later to move the body...I just hope she's there, if she is indeed dead...

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

tomboy | August 5, 2005 03:58 PM
You wrote:

"Not one "nice, sweet, innocent" person of any age goes into Carlos & Charlie's on Aruba ..... without taking part in the "fun" activities."

And your point is?????
---------------------------

My response is simple...

Not one person of any age (whether she is "nice, sweet, innocent" or whatever) deserves to be deceived, used, kidnapped, raped, or murdered either.

Unless..... you have some criteria that allows it!!

To me.... THAT is THE most significant issue here.

It's a basic matter of a right to live.

Surely you are not suggesting that one looses that right if one chooses to participate in raucous activities, are you?

Even though it is certainly a risk one takes, it NEVER makes the CRIME justified!

[birmingham dog]

Maybe the reason that the Mtn Brook kids are Not coming out to tell their stories are that Beth Twity has goten to them and she has pressured them to keep quite.
For myself I just dont buy into this whole angelic scenario, from what I have seen and heard living in Birmingham the Twitys are and have mounted a HUGE Public Relations campaign. All that is totally unnecessary. And only goes to show that the Truth will be 1 sided. I don't appreciate being led to believe that their daughter was not an average teenager. Joran is also an average teenager, and lots of you want to paint him as some sort of predator, come on if that was the case then 99% of the teenage boys back here in the USA are also predators.
There is more to this case that many of want to realize.
Why may I ask you is it so bad to speak of the truth? Why must you demonize anyone that seeks the truth in a respectful manner? Can we not make generalizations about young pretty girls that go to bars when they shpouoldn't and Not be speaking of responsibility? Some young pretty girls NEED to learn from this tragedy. The people that are so quick to judge us that seek the truth, and want to discuss the "whys" of this case are in-fact hurting these future teens that think it is OK to do irresponsibe behavior. Consequences, look it up in the dictionary. RESULT/OUTCOME...this is what we are speaking of on this forum. The consequence of a tragic mistake and lapse in judgement. Yes we can conjecture as to WHO and WHAT happened, but also in my humble opinion the MORE IMPORTANT discussion should be of th Consequence of your actions. We can't do anything about the past, but Maybe just Maybe we can affect the future....

GWD

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

Has any one seen this "nice, sweet, innocent" boy?
__________
From this mountainbrook forum I read this
....

1113. Joran is a cyberstud
by boxofrox, 8/5/05 15:40 ET
He gets around
http://meetme.hotornot.com/r/?emid=GMOLKLR
- copied from:
http://www.al.com/forums/mountainbrook/

[kescah]

Here's a link to something that has been going on in the search:
http://www.rednova.com/news/display/?id=197322&source=r_health.

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

kescah

Thanks - that's very interesting - and good to see searching done seriously!

[birmingham dog]

AHAlethia,,,,you are'nt Ever around teenage boys are you ? this is what the vast majority of teenagers worldwide act like.

I think you are being emotional and not reational, as you are presnting things that really do not have any bearing on this case. Did you not read my post with link of the teen girl that went on the trip with natalee and her decription of Joran ?

GWd

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

GWd -- posted by: birmingham dog | August 5, 2005 09:07 PM

"reational"?

I WAS a teen aged boy. And the one's I was around were as well! Perhaps you did not read my own tragic confessions early in this blog.

I don' t know what you are specifically referring to?

[Bryan S.]

Posted by "tomboy"

Not one "nice, sweet, innocent" person of any
age goes into Carlos & Charlie's on Aruba, hangs out there for hours, and stays until "closing time" with the "booty dances" and "body shots" for free booze, the "simulated sex" and other shenanigans onstage, the "dirty dancing" between patrons, drugs readily available inside and on the sidewalk outside, and all of the other decadent behavior without taking part in the "fun" activities. There's no other reason for anyone to be there. And every one of Carlos & Charlie's patrons drinks alcoholic beverages.

________________________________________________

Umm, yeah, thats what people usually do in bars last I checked. Sometimes it can even be fun.

People can be nice, sweet, and innocent and still have a good time. Especially when their young.

[MsKevinEubanksakajust guessing]

Come on--
She didn't 'ask' for 'it'.
Someone did something awful to her. JVDS wouldn't be dissembling so much if he didn't have culpability. Drinking and dancing? Who cares, big deal. Kids see that behavior on those fake 'spring break' videos and imitate the behavior. I am a good person and I used to drink alot. I even enjoyed sex with virtual strangers. Did that mean I wanted to be 'disappeared' or deserved to be hurt? Of course not.

I don't care how rowdy anyone might have gotten. Did the MB students hurt anyone else? No. What are they 'hiding'? First of all, they may have been told by FBI or le not to reveal certain details. Secondly their parents may not know that they sometimes drink, take drugs or dance on tables. NH didn't leave with them, they aren't suspect in her disappearance, they weren't the last ones seen with her--end of story.

[kescah]

A really good reason not to get drunk:
http://www.nbc13.com/news/4815844/detail.html.

LOL!

[clintcarter]

I was a teenage boy too.

[birmingham dog]

Some of you dont know that in Aruba as in the Netherlands that at age 16 teens can legally drink Beer and wine at 16 years of age. Some of speak of How Joran is able to get into bars at his age, well this is th reason. I have seen pictures of Joran with a beer in his hand, so hence the allowing of drinking beer and wine at 16yrs.

Alethia, my point is that Joran's website(as you put them) are NOT bad, lots of teen boys do the same exact things, and I might add most are far worse than what we have seen of Joran. I am in no way condoing Joans behavior or making up for him, but only post this for discussion purposes, as I am sure that the majority of you would want the facts and know the Whole story.

Ad we Dont know if the Mtn Brook kids are NOT involved, we dont know anything hardly about this case. Other than there is a lynch mob mentality dominating most forums around this case. I look forward to logical/reason based discussions, not repeated over and over agin lynch anyone involved.

GWD

[birmingham dog]

Why is it when some of us discuss this case we get labled as

"she asked for it"...Not me and no one I know of on here feels that Natalee ASKED for it. You are showing that you reasonability is lacking. Sit in your house and think that you KNOW everything and that EVRYONE should think liek you do. But Hey there is a Whole 'nother world out there and those people you see wlkaing by usually Dont think like you do.

GWD