Hearing Update

A reader suggests the hearing process is a bit more complicated than first presented. It's reported that the judge did not rule in favor of the FBI involvement, it ruled that the Kalpoe attorney had no standing to file the action. I'm assuming that is because the Kalpoes are not currently named suspects, or under arrest.

The Kalpoe attorney is appealing that decision, hence the 9:30 hearing.

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[bobo]

hmmm

[angelaberdine]

A reader suggests the hearing process is a bit more complicated than first presented. It's reported that the judge did not rule in favor of the FBI involvement, it ruled that the Kalpoe attorney had no standing to file the action. I'm assuming that is because the Kalpoes are not currently named suspects, or under arrest.

The Kalpoe attorney is appealing that decision, hence the 9:30 hearing.

Posted by Dan in Natalee Holloway | Permalink

I think renaming this place is in order: Devil's Island.

[Berry]

I thought it was interesting to view the brief clip of the Twitty encounter on MSNBC. In it, Deepak does look directly at BT and also accepts her offer of a Natalee bracelet. Her on-air recounting of the meeting did not match what the viewer could see for themselves, albeit a brief glimpse.

[Berry]

Also, I think the owner of the cafe' should re-post the Natalee signs. Especially that cafe'. Many tourists and boaters stop in there to check their e-mail. It is remotely possible someone on a world or Carrib cruise might not actually know too much about this case, and would stop in at the cafe after anchoring. They may have also been anchored on Memorial Day weekend and remember something. That poster should go up now, under police order.

[ChinbeardXIV]

I agree about the reposting of signs, Berry. I also agree that Deepak Kalpoe did look much more comfortable (in that brief glimpse) than I'd expected...very odd, indeed...

[Sharon]

POSTING:
I thought it was interesting to view the brief clip of the Twitty encounter on MSNBC. In it, Deepak does look directly at BT and also accepts her offer of a Natalee bracelet. Her on-air recounting of the meeting did not match what the viewer could see for themselves, albeit a brief glimpse.

RESPONSE: Beth had to repeatedly ask Deepak to look up and when she was talking to him. That is what has been filmed. Most of the time as she said his head was down and all she saw was his eyelids. I thought he looked like a demon possessed doe caught in the headlights with guilt written all over his face!!!

[Susie]

What I find so interesting is that Deepak told BT that he didnt need money!!! He's in the middle of one of the biggest scandals Aruba has ever seen and he doesnt need money?? His friend-in-crime has 9+ attorneys and he doesnt need money?? My thought to Deepak, "get a job in a clock shop so when someone asks you what time it is, they will have alternatives measures as opposed to just believing what you say when they need to know what time it is"!!! Thought for the day, "Pathological Liar"!! I dont know if he looked BT in the eye or not but I do know he was the poster boy for the most nervous person in Aruba. I bet Joran isnt that shook up when they question him 10 hours a day. ANd he said to BT, "the press hasnt seen this side of you". Thats because she's been to busy. It cant be easy having to be the one doing all the investigating. BT and her family have uncovered more than all the officials put together. How sad is that anyway??

[Mike 1]

Susie - It is way sad. There will be some measure of justice, in any case, the Aruban economy is in huge trouble going forward. St Croix still hasn't recovered from the fallout of the fountain valley event. I wonder if there will be 200 Arubans protesting no tourists?

[lily bet]

Sharon - I am falling all over myself laughing at the number of people (perhaps even yourself) who poo poo'd the silliness of "behavioural experts" brought in to read Joran's body language, but are nonetheless convinced that they can tell from seconds of edited video whether Deepak is guilty or not. It's like the Schiavo faithful have found a new mission.
The video and the Twitty machine interpretation of the event truly did not match. I think a lot of people have noticed that.
Mike1-have you tried to book a week at the Marriott during Christmas or New Years? This isn't even Aruba's busy season. The Fountain Valley event hurt St. Croix because it was an example of a problem, not an isolated event. It also involved a robbery/massacre in broad daylight in a guarded area, not a single tourist behaving in a very unfortunate manner.

[Roy]

RESPONSE: Beth had to repeatedly ask Deepak to look up and when she was talking to him. That is what has been filmed. Most of the time as she said his head was down and all she saw was his eyelids. I thought he looked like a demon possessed doe caught in the headlights with guilt written all over his face!!!

Posted by: Sharon | August 10, 2005 09:53 AM

Are you a facial expression expert doing exorcism on the side?

[ustt]

I'm assuming that is because the Kalpoes are not currently named suspects, or under arrest.
(by Dan from his editorial above)

___________

This is interesting statement.

I have heard Karin Janssen say: The Kalpoes are suspects. (something about just because they were not in jail or prison, did not take them from that status......and the same for Paulus van der Sloot - he is still a suspect according to what she has said).

When did they become not suspects??????????

Thanks.

[dolphin]

"What I find so interesting is that Deepak told BT that he didnt need money!!! He's in the middle of one of the biggest scandals Aruba has ever seen and he doesnt need money??"
Posted by: Susie | August 10, 2005 10:18 AM

Yes Susie, indeed this kind of answer is almost incriminating.
Hey Deepak! In the case you needed money would you tell what happened?

[vincent]

Deepak said "I don't need any money" when he should have said "I'd pay that much to find Natalee, too. I am so sorry Mrs Holloway, but I promise you, I had NOTHING TO DO WITH IT."

Karma's a bitch, that's all I know;)

[kat_gram]

I think that Beth is trying to get arrested.

In front of all the network cameras.

Also, plenty of media attention !

How is this helpful in finding Natalee ?

They did not print these posters in any other language than English. If they want to have the ordinary Arubans assist, then print these things in the languages of Aruba and have them put up where the ordinary working class people of Aruba live.

Why is everyone bashing Aruba ? Don't get the mentality. Economic sanctions ? That is just plain stupid ! Aruba & its systems were good enough for the MB teens May 15, 2005. Because of the actions of a few, now it isn't ?

[Mike 1]

Kat gram - not when the few (does this include the 200 protesters?) is comprised of the investigators and government authorities. Plain stupid is how they compromised this investigation from the start. And completely arrogant. I wonder if they will protest when there are no tourists. Unemployment rate of 1.9%? That's better than the U S. stupid stupid

[lily bet]

Mike1-you didn't answer my earlier question? How do you compare this to Fountain Valley and where are you getting data suggesting a slowdown in tourism in Aruba? If you look for hotel and flights in winter, the limited availability is still full price. This case involves and individual. It is terribly unfortunate and I hope this mystery (the only reason it is still in the cable news) is solved, but it is not going to affect overall tourism in Aruba. Maybe those unstructured, unsupervised teenage booze trips will suffer, but I don't think the locals will mind that.

[observer]

Deepak doesnt need the money because if he helped he would only be incrminating himself..

[Mike 1]

Lily bet - Island vacations are usually booked 6 -9 months in advance. As far as a report suggesting a slowdown of tourism - MSMNC 's travel editor John Frenaye reported his office seeind a decline. report date 7-25-2005 availble online. The article also quotes a television poll in Houston TX (not Alabama) half of the 64,000 respondents said they would NOT visit Aruba because of this.

[lily bet]

kat gram - Beth is doing whatever it takes now to keep this story in the media. The media consultant on O'Reilly last night professed to as much. (Although common sense told many of us before now) The story is going nowhere on its own, so it will take increasingly bizarre and desperate acts for Natalee's disappearance to even be mentioned on cable news. (The MSM moved on long ago). So, that's why Beth PLANNED the interaction with Deepak (after tipping a camera crew), knowing he would file a complaint, which buys her another story and some sympathy. She is playing it as necessary. Trouble is, the attention doesn't help find Natalee, just gets her mom on the news.

[Mike 1]

lily bet - You think X-Mass / New years is not their busy time?? lol

[lily bet]

Mike1-Were the respondents polled planning a trip to Aruba before this disappearance or were they just a random sampling. A boycott is only effective if the relevant consumer group takes part. Of the 32,000 respondents, if none of them could afford or didn't plan an Aruba vacation, then that survey is what we learned in Research Methods as "garbage."
The people who have winter vacations booked in advance (most of whom are return visitors) could cancel their trips, but they aren't doing that. Even in the event of group trips, if the Alabama legislature called for a boycott, the trip deposit would have to be refunded. Still, it's not happening.

[lily bet]

Mike1-no, I said NOW, while you are calling for a boycott is not their busy time. You think I don't know what I'm talking about. You actually believe that! LOL

[Mike 1]

lily bet - the respondents are the marketplace / customer pool and as such it means consumer attitudes are not good, and this is not even in Alabama (population?). To believe this will not affect tourism is naive. Out of 64,000 people I'm sure a few could afford a low cost vacation. If you cancel your trip you forfeit your deposit. (ever travel?)

[Mike 1]

I bet they will have a record spring break. lol lol

[Mike 1]

I'm not calling for a boycott NOW, I'm calling for a boycott period. Let them plant sugarcane.

[Justice4All]

Hey things must be rough a well known candle company is offering their top sellers a trip to Aruba. Word is they were given a offer that was foolish to pass up. One of the top sellers here in the East, said she'll take the cash.

[Coolbeans]

In about six months, you will be able to stay in aruba for less than airfare. They will sweeten any deal possible.

Boycotting Aruba is a moral catch 22. I dont think the correct people will suffer from it.

The good hard working people in Aruba, who actually care and help the Holloways are sure to be the one's who suffer the most from a boycott, brought on by an either corrupt or inept government. Take your pick.

It sucks. Did you ever notice the people who should suffer rarely do? The good people suffer.

hardly any damn justice in this world.

Coolbeans

[Mar]

All I can say is, like any mother, I can totally identify with Beth T (Natalee's mother). No only do I admire her courage, her resiliency, and her
determination to uncover the fate of her daughter, but she has the boldness to stand face to a legal system, that has shown to be not only completely innept, but suspiciously corrupt.

Goodspeed, Beth.

Mar

[Mar]

All I can say is, like any mother, I can totally identify with Beth T (Natalee's mother). No only do I admire her courage, her resiliency, and her
determination to uncover the fate of her daughter, but she has the boldness to stand face to a legal system, that has shown to be not only completely innept, but suspiciously corrupt.

Goodspeed, Beth.

Mar

[Mike 1]

What about the 200+ Arubans who protested Beth Holloway Twitty? They protested a woman who (in all likelthood) had lost her child. What a nice island, what nice island people. I hope they think about this in the years to come. They are spoiled with one of the highest standards of living in the islands. A 1.9% unemployment rate! that's better than in the U S (5%). They just forgot where it comes from. probably be a decent place to invest in 7 - 8 years (if you can deal with the stigma).

[lily bet]

Mike1-Do you have a link to the 64,000 person poll because I can't find it. Actually, I find a local station poll involving 64,000 people kind of odd. National polls don't usually involve more than a few thousand contacted respondents. This seems to be probably an uncontrolled online poll. If so, then only people INCLINED to answer the question are the body of the evidence. However, if you believe it as indicative of attitude, then okay.

[vaquera]

Boycott Aruba? Guess Jug didn't hear that because he said next year he was sending another kid to Aruba for graduation.

[scubajap]

They did not print these posters in any other language than English. If they want to have the ordinary Arubans assist, then print these things in the languages of Aruba and have them put up where the ordinary working class people of Aruba live

Actually they are also posted in Spanish, many shops have both posters side by side. Almost all of the everyday people of Aruba speak Spanish.

[Ashleigh]

I support Beth, and pray for her. I admire her strength, courage, determination and her lovely spirit. She is inspiring, and my heart breaks for her. However, her perceptions are relative to the pain she's in.

I don't think we can know if Deepak said, "I don't need the money" or "I don't *WANT* your money" and I don't think the video clip of him shown on the news demonstrates how he was reluctant to look at her. He looks and speaks to her in that clip, takes what she hands him, and does look her in the face, and says something. He is not sitting there ignoring her, although he is typing. He looks up. But, Beth's perceptions are her own.

I don't think Deepak is innocent or truthful, but, we don't know what his role is. Believe it or not, he's entitled to his day in court, if it comes to that. If there isn't even enough to charge him, then, that's what it is.
Beth tried to get him to talk, but, maybe he would have been more receptive without the NBC news crew with cameras and entourage. This was staged as a media event, even if Beth also wanted answers. She could have probably gotten his confidence without the news media tagging along, just my opinion. I think that she wanted it to play for the news, knowing it keeps the story up on top of the shows, not as a blurb under other stories.

NOT THAT I BLAME HER! Good grief. Good for Beth for all she's done, but, let's be real, and not crucify this young man before he's had a proper trial. I hate vigilante fervor, even in this case.

I believe Joran is the prime suspect, and until more is known about Deepak and Satish, it kind of bothers me that they are condemned by the people whose hearts ache for Beth. It's one thing for Beth to want answers, to want anything to give her a direction towards her daughter, but, we're spectators, and we can't lose sight of the valued principle of INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY. It seems that all these cases pick the bad guys, and they are automatically tried in the court of public opinion.

The notion of their innocence never occurs to anyone, until they're exonnerated, and by then, their lives are already ruined. Sometimes we are in the wrong place at the wrong time, and this may be the case with Deepak. Should he have spoken to Beth and said, "I didn't touch Natalee?" Not if his lawyer told him not to talk to anyone, not her, or anyone in the press, and here she marches in with NBC newspeople by her side, filming from three different angles. C'mon, what do people expect him to do?

It would have been nice for him to cooperate as she needed, but, he couldn't or wouldn't, and until he has his day in court, he shouldn't be lynched by those of us who know NOTHING.

What if Natalee were our daughters is the cry, and that's what touches our hearts. But, what if Deepak and Satish were our sons?

[nursemind]

This will not hurt Aruba tourism. Only the people who read blogs and watch cable news (Mostly Greta on Fox, sometimes Nancy NoGrace or MNBC at times) are keeping up with this story. I live in a major city and it's never mentioned in our newspapers or national televison news and I follow lots of the major papers in the country and never a word. The only thing I hear on talk radio is a RARE, always negative comment of cable televsion constant coverage of it. So the overall population is not following this story so tourism will thrive.

[res_ipsa_loquitor]

I have a slightly different take on Beth's motives (IMO) for conrfonting Deep, and I think the arguments and volume of posts will bear this out:

As the desperate mother of a missing child, it is Beth's mission to take ANY STEPS LIKELY TO HELP move this case forward--including taking the unpopular action of "harassing" Deepak. I don't believe Beth went to the cafe; I also believe she was very well aware that her actions would likely cause controversy. In fact, I think Beth confronted Deep HOPING IT WOULD CAUSE CONTROVERSY. Look at the results--more people are talking about Nat than a week ago. News was becoming stale--by creating conflict, Beth successfully brought the case back to the front page. Beth is interested only in getting some answers--she is not grandstanding for her own interests, she is keeping the case alive in whatever way she can.

BY FILING A HARASSMENT CLAIM, DEEPAK GAVE BETH EXACTLY WHAT SHE WANTED--HE ASSURED THAT THE CASE WOULD CONTINUE TO HAVE THE MEDIA'S ATTENTION (and the public's attention, as well)

Brilliant.

[mom2]

I've been lurking since Natalee disappeared and sometimes jumping in to ask a question or two - a couple of things just haunt me so I'm jumping in again -

I really do not understand or fathom how and why some of you attack Beth Holloway for her behavior, comments and/or tactics. What if your daughter/sister/mother/niece "disappeared" during a short vacation to a "safe" island? What if the last person/s who saw her gave multiple stories to authorities? How would you behave? Where are your hearts? Anything she does is OK with me. God bless her!

There are two things I know about this case -

1. The three "boys" and the father collectively lied about Natalee before the public even knew she was missing- how would they know they needed to lie unless they knew something "bad happened" to her and why lie unless they were trying to distance themselves from the "event" and why distance themselves unless they were involved? I think all four should go to jail for life. Forget about evidence, forget about making them "talk" - they are never going to "talk," they've learned they don't have to "talk" - forget about ever learning one truth other than they are the reason Natalee is not "here." They just all need to go to jail -forever.

2. I would think the citizens of Aruba would do whatever possible to put them all away because this travesty will affect Arubans' quality of life. I will never allow anyone in my family to travel to Aruba - not because I want to punish everyone on the island but because it's not safe there. A young girl disappeared & the last person who was with her, or last persons, will probably not ever be prosecuted because the government, the people who supposedly are paid to protect the Aruban natives and tourists have so severely mishandled the "investigation" that the murderer/s will more than likely go free as the entire world watches. No one I love will ever visit Aruba because it's not safe there and it's clear that no one in any position of power in Aruba really cares. If they cared, the father and the two brothers would still be in jail at the very least for lying about a tragic "event" before the general public knew anything happened. That disc jockey should be punished, as well, for lying, but apparently lying & interfering in a murder/"missing person" investigation is just fine in Aruba. Why would anyone allow a loved one to visit there? It's like saying: Going to Aruba? Bon voyage, have a good time, but hey! try not to get killed, pour your own drinks when you go out because you may be drugged & by the way, don't go *anywhere* alone, you may be raped and/or killed & guess what? they will get away with it - remember what happened to Natalee Holloway! Those boys still live there! That father stil lives there!

Sorry about the rant - good job on the blog, Dan.

[Kat_Gram]

To Scubajap;

I stand corrected on the posters and the language. Thank you. I am glad they are in English & Spanish. I must of misunderstood something on one of the TV shows. I always look for your comments as you seem to be very fair and well informed.

[Sly2SmoothieNJS]

Did anyone read the article in people this week???
Boy, are they behind or what? Thanks DAN...you keep us informed way before the "big guys" like People Mag. even have a clue. You are the best.

S2S :)

[bella]

I have not seen video of the deepak "confrontation" but I did quickly read through Beth's interview with Greta about it and I found it ironic Beth said she wanted to be "discreet" in going on there and not attract attention but yet she went in there with a camera crew??

[bella]

I do not know what involvement deepak and satish had beyond lying for joran - i know they had some and so did joran - there are hundreds of things I do not understamd about this case and one is if beth has these "declarations" saying joran sexually assaulted natalee where did she get them? and how if this is true is nothing being done? I believ aruba is inept and badly but are you telling me that in the face of national media attentiona nd with the fbi right there they are falsifying documents? I mean why would they do such a hting - if they really wanted to cover up for Joran why would they even take an incriminating statement in the first place? they would just ignore any type of confessions and not put them in any type of documents that could be found later would they not?

[Mike 1]

lily bet - google "aruba bookings" google news, secnd hit. MSNBC quotes 64,0000 poll at Houston TX at a NBC television station.

[lily bet]

Mike1-Thanks, I checked the site. Here is the link to the actual poll, if you are interested:
http://cf.click2houston.com/hou/sh/con_surveycontest_display/sur_results_nt.cfm
Just as I thought, it is a voluntary on-line poll, and even worse, it allows numerous responses from a single address. I voted once for all three options, and all three were recorded in the totals. This is not a valid or sound expression of current opinion.
So you know, I DO think the disappearance will affect Aruba tourism in the short term. Hopefully, it will create change in the unsupervised teenage-focused booze trips. They were an accident waiting to happen anyhow.
Also, if you want my opinion, as a southern American who has travelled fairly extensively, I still think Montreal, QC, Canada, any season of the year, is the place to go. I felt safe sending my teenager there on his own (with a thoughtful itenerary) during Formula 1 race week.

[Mike 1]

And in the control group? (how many respondents preferred not to go to ....) However you spin it, this is very negative for aruba. Lets see, most businesses there operate on what, say a 20% margin. Many are owner operated. So theortically business declines 20% and everyones out of business, now owner operated, who's owners rely on their businesses for subsistance, wow, they're out much faster.

[leeza]

mike1-there was no control group. This is an open online survey, not an actual research poll. I did agree that in the short-term tourism will be affected. It's not going to be a massive boycott, requiring conversion to a sugar care industry to survive. If you believe that, based on an online poll, then my suggestion is to just wait and see.

[Susie]

If this appears to be negative to Aruba, isnt it time to ask why. Failure to protect, corruption of both the justice system and the government, legal drinking and gambling ages being completely ignored because of who your father is, the repeated failure to admit the situation is way out of your league and the blatant refusal to allow assistance by those who deal with kind of crime everyday, the inability to conduct proper investigation, leaving the investigating to the family, friends, and locals to conduct, need I continue?? Joran and his attorney's went to court on Wed. 08/10/05 to ask the the judges to demand the authorities recognize his "civil right" to remain silent?? What is that anyway?? Here's how you do it Joran, slowly allow your upper lip to meet with your lower one and hold!!! Thats not a civil right, thats the ability to keep your mouth shut. And if his lawyers are so worried as to go to court and address this matter in front of a judge, just how much of nothing are they getting so worried about. If the boy is innocent and doesnt have anything to say than the issue of wether or not he can keep his trap shut, really isnt and issue at all, is it?? Most of our official are elected. Those that arent, apply for the job and are hired on their own merit. But those that prove to be corrupt, dont have their jobs very long. If the people of Aruba are getting upset over all this, they have nobody but themselves to blame. This isnt the first case like this thats happen, and the others didnt seem to leave them any worse for wear, so what the issue?? OH, wait a minute, its called "THE SPOTLIGHT"!! Its called "THE WHOLE WORLD IS WATCHING YOU". Up to now, they have been very very good at hiding, gee imagine that, all the bad stuff that happens there. No more secrets, no more lies!! I guess maybe they're right to be upset, but then, what comes around, goes around and its Aruba turn now. If they dont want to stand up to their government and other officials and let them know that they will not tolerate deceit and corruption, then they must live in it and with it. Americans know they deserve more and wont settle for anything else. Your life is suppose to be what YOU make it, not what dirty, corrupt officials say its going to be.