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leeza-Virginia is not considered a "Southern" state. Try again.

Maybe Beth should "carve him out" instead of stalking him! What a joke. He hasn't seen anything yet. If there is not a resolution to this case, he will have to file a lot of stalking complaints.

If Deepak would have answered the questions about Natalee within 10 minutes, I can see where 10 minutes would have been sufficient. Sometimes it takes a long time to draw information out of a person, and since he wasn't answering, more time was needed. Hey, we're talking about the life of a human in the balance here. 90 minutes of time from someone who KNOWS what happened is not too much to ask. And Beth is right. If he was innocent, his lawyers would not have objected to his saying so.

Niata,

Are you saying that the outcome of any trial that occurs will be based, not on the evidence, but on the opinion of the Holloway family by the jurors?!

res ipsa loquitor,

She does not want you to provide anything; she only said it because she thought you left.

She is posting from a Law Library on a college campus and thinks she is Ruth Bader Ginsburg

Willinpa

You're right, she is not hysterical....my fault for poor choice in words, I am completely behind Beth, I just wanted to make a point to the poeple critizing her that I don't think we can judge her given what she is going through.

"I work with defense attorneys..."

i.e....

"Would you like fries with that, sir?"

Weet,

If "woodguy jr." lied to me and the law and tried to hang a serious crime on 2 innocent people that would change things quite a bit. Why is everyone ignoring this fact??

Did Beth do anything wrong: No! Bold & determined: Yes!

I'd have to do ten times worse to get something fixed with my cable company!

Season: Agreed.

Smooch,

I want to discredit "Leeza/Lily Bet" also, but VA is in fact in the south!! The Mason Dixon line runs across the southern border of PA

Sorry!

jayjay & bx,

LMAO but I don't think she gets it.

Leeza
NEWSFLASH: Working with lawyers is not the same as being a lawyer.

When I heard that Beth had gone to the internet cafe I could not wait to hear the details. I thought "it's about time"! Then I heard the details and saw the video, of her entering and talking to him etc etc etc and then I hear that she was there a good 90 minutes, and I thought, alright now, enough is enough. Not only do I think this was not appropriate, but I also have no idea how she klept her calm! Well on second thought, she most likely kept her calm because she knew it was all being filmed. I dont agree with this at all! And dont get me wrong, I am a mother too and I too would do anything and everything to get answers, who wouldn't? But there is a wrong way and there is a right way of going about things and she chose the worng way. If I would have been in that internet cafe as a customer, I would have run for the hills because I am sure it was very very uncomfortable for everybody there. I dont know! Also, if she is so determine, then she should watch her every step and not do something that might hurt her or the investigation in the long run!

I totally think that all 3 guys (if not more) and Jarans father know what happen to Natalee, but I also think that Paul did a damn good job prepping these kids to make sure they will keep their moth shut.

Virginia a big player on the southern side of the civil war!

Does attacking other posters make you feel rightious willinpa.

These blogs don't have any logic to some of the posters remarks. All fueled by rampant emotions. Name one legal case that was resolved purely on emotions. This case will only be resolved by calculated, intellegent perseverance. It is this 100% support of a Beth's emotional support that will never bring resolution to this terrible case. It will be interesting how those who support Beth in her desperate seach without common sense will feel when she possibly looses it completely. Oh, I know, it will all be Aruba's fault...not these "well meaning" supporters that give "support" to her emotionally drivin tactics!

Not to mention Richmond was the capital of the Confederacy...

I have been there several times and doesn't seem southern at all....line or not. Just listen to the accents.

Only when you're trying to charactarize Beth as delerious when there's abosolutely no evidence of that.

Your posts on the other hand...

woodguy: i'm not saying put yourself in the place of the kalpoe parents. i'm saying, to prevent lynchmob mentality of people who ARE innocent, you have to protect everyone, whether you think they are innocent or not, until its proven one way or the other. and by "protect" i mean offer the same rights that you would offer the innocent. if you had an innocent son who was accused of something as awful, you would want him protected even if everyone else thought he was guilty.

She disappeared--I suspect she is dreaming up another alias.

She's not a lawyer--and I won't be one either if I don't get my butt to work.

I truly admire Natalee's family, especially Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway. Each of them have a different, and effective style of advocacy for their beautiful missing daughter.

It's nonsense, however, to think that Beth went to the Internet Cafe merely to develop film, and that she took NBC cameramen along for protection. She went to film a new media event so the story could move back up to lead story for a few nights. But, so what? She managed to get them to do just that.

I don't know if she intentionally goaded him, or not, and I really don't care. He almost certainly knows more and has resisted helping her find her daughter. However, there really is a slim chance he was just the chauffer for Joran that night, or that something went wrong with them, completely out of his view. I still think he knows where Natalee is, and no wonder Beth felt she needed to prod him a bit.

But, I'm also glad her lawyer has given her the right advice. Going there once, even with NBC cameramen, is hardly harassment under these circumstances. Like others have said, he could have told her to leave, and probably didn't. Going back there just to stare him down, or interfere with his work environment, though, is harrassment, and he's protected under his laws. How many sex offenders and creeps in our country are likewise protected? We cannot choose to impose our presence on those who feel threatened by us, like Deepak did, even if we believe he is a highly probable suspect in a violent crime. What if he's not? And if he is, it's up to the laws of that island to deal with him.

Going there everyday is counterproductive, and I'm relieved that Beth said she will not do that. I give her tons of credit for her chutzpah and courage. Deepak acts like a punk, and going to the police to report Beth is also another cowardly act, but, he has civil rights. It shows me how little character he truly has, though, since he could have told her he had nothing to do with Natalee's disappearance, but, instead left her hanging in the wind. He stinks.

But, Beth needs to walk a tightrope down there. As the AM article suggests, the sentiments of the gentle Aruban citizens is starting to grow weary of the antics, even if our MSM news is not. It's not that they don't empathize or admire Beth, but, their lovely island is now home to nothing but controversy and accusations of corruption. Maybe this in the end is a good thing, particularly if organized crime, drugs, and human trafficking has found a port there.

Maybe in the end, Natalee Holloway will be the needed catalyst to uproot smoldering, latent crime in Aruba, and excise it. I hope in the process, by a miracle, Natalee is found alive. I don't believe she's on the island anymore, and for some reason, I have always believed she may have been abducted by traffickers, possibly involved with the gambling, partying Kalpoes and Joran VdS.

If it was my child missing over there, I'd be doing a lot worse than chatting the dude up. I'm afraid my husband would have to hold me back from throttling him. I'm amazed that Beth is showing such restraint and fortitude - whatta woman. I think I would have been a blubbering pile on the floor a month ago.

Alright maybe delerious isn't the right word, but am I the only one concerned for how vulnerable her pysch must be at this point. I strongly feel her family should pull her kicking and screaming off that island before she has a nervous breakdown and is of no use to anyone. I, for one, will hold some resentment towards her family if that was to happen and they have made no attempts to pull in the reins on a woman that has to be edge with vulnerability from all the wrongs in this situation.

Justice for Natalee,

That was awesome. I really hope that if this thing they actually call an investigation over there is never completed and Natalee Holloway not found, each and every American citizen spends their hard earned dollars on some other island. After all, this could have been anyones daughter, sister, friend etc.

Beth is only trying to find her daughter.She had every right to question Deepak.

No one is helping her find her daughter- all it has been is one big cover up.

I am hoping that Deepak& Satish are both rearrested very soon& Joran stays in jail.

I truly believe that all of these boys and their families have been threatened with a gruesome death if they speak of anything. Beyond that, someone would have confessed to something by now even without plea bargaining. It's stay quiet and live, or speak up and die along with your whole family.

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I just read Leeza's post.

I am LMAO.

Every lawyer knows that there is not an "American" definition of harassment. It's codified in each state.

1) a pattern of behavior that is threatening or reasonable likely to be perceived as threatening

2)an ongoing pattern of behavior directed at the same person or persons which intrudes on that person's reasonable expectations of safety and/or privacy.

Harassment is one step below assault. The biggest difference is the pattern of behavior

Big pappy....I agree! They somehow got involved with something or someone they shouldnt have and obviously dealing with whomever is the worst case scenario for the boys.

I apologize for the private argument going on in a public blog

res ipsa - I asked you for the Dutch legal code that you say was not violated in the harassment/stalking incident at the internet cafe. Also, I asked what is the area of your practice? You know, since you claim to be an attorney.
One more time, because you didn't seem to get it, I never said I was an attorney. I work in the research department of a legal practice that specializes in crimianl defense. That is why I have explained repeatedly that I see this though the perspective of defense.
So, res ipsa - now you know what I asked you for. If (when) you can't produce the code, let me know and I'll do it for you.
jayjay - why do you want to "discredit" me? Wouldn't you be better served by making your own cogent point than by attacking someone else?

And you wonder why there are so many attorney jokes...

Scott Sullivan, Worldcom CFO and architect of the largest accounting fraud in U.S. history, got 5 years in prison; That's positively Dutch...

Ditto. See Big Pappy's post above. It seems to be fair and well-reasoned.

It's funny to think that Beth should behave how the Arubans want her to b/c the trial will be held in Aruba. Will you let the 3 suspects go free b/c you don't like the way she's acting.

If the Aruban people are smart, they will convict the 3 suspects in court and bring a swift resolution to the case with a tought penalty in order to show the world that Aruba is tough on crime and to move on.

leeza,

You really need to pull your head out of the law books and face reality. This is all much ado about nothing. Beth had a right to do what she did, unless and until she was asked to leave the premises. Deepak is a punk who is guilty as sin, and his actions are consistent with that. An innocent person would have looked her straight in the eye and told her what he knows. (Of course, an innocent person would have done that already.) Instead, he runs to his lawyer like the coward that he is and claims a woman threatened him. Yes, I fully expected his lawyer to protest. So what? She won't do it again, but she has made her point. She got some media exposure for her case, and we all got to see what a low life Mr. Kalpoe is. You keep wanting to discuss legal rights, and I want to discuss justice.

Leeza,

You attack res then you want to know why jayjay is discrediting you? LOL! Why can't we blog with some respect for everyone's opinions. One thing we all share is to have a resolution to this mess. We all would like justice to be done. We can't change the inept Arubian LE system that has botched this case so far, but we can "discuss" various behaviors and leads to come to some degree of conclusion. Most will always feel that the 3 suspects are guilty, and they probably are. What matters is to work towards progress and hopefully some solid leads to resolve this case. Can we not stop the personal attacks and trying to get people to defend themselves and their occupations? Whether the opinion comes from a lay person or a lawyer...does it really matter?

res ipsa - again, I did not ask you for the definition that you get when you go to an online dictionary. I asked you for the actual code, as in "persuant to West Virginia state code §18-2C-2." I only said American code because I don't know what state you are from.
I do know this much, you are a FAKE. You went to law school like I drove for Nascar. Of course, if you want to spend your copious free time "arguing circles" around bloggers, I guess that makes you somebody.

Hi Res ipsa,
you are fighting hard today. I have also to work but I will get through your posting and maybe I will post later today if I can finish my work.

Keep on

Cheers

DEEPAK = COWARD!

Beth harassing Deepak
Equusearch destroying turtle egg nests
TJ Ward- no work permit
Witness (gardener) going to be deported

Good thing the Aruban LE doesn't have more important things to take care of, like maybe
investigating the disappearance of Natalee!!!

dan

what is so funny about this is that beth never recieved a copy of this according to her on greta last night, so i am sure this is the first she has seen of this as well

There are two people using Justice for Natalee as a screen name. The above post with the profanity is not mine!

Hello Season. Did I say these guys should go free? No I did not. All I said was that Beth may be compromising her case against the Aledged suspects by pursuing them the way she is. Does the phrase innocent until proven guitly mean anything to you? These three guys may very well be gulty, The may very well be. But at the same time, they might be inocent. As long as that MAYBE exists, no one, not us, not Beth Twitty, nor anyone outside the Aruban legal system has the right to arbitrarily pass a guilty verdict upon them.

then she'll realize she ain't no "Steven Segal"

Posted by: P in S.E. Asia | August


P

steven segall ain't no steven segal either, havent you heard about all the mobsters out to get him according to his own court testimony

of all people i thought you P would know this!!

AMEN BIG PAPPY,

NO THREAT AND SHE FILMED IT TO PROVE THIS!!

Leeza/Lily bet,

Cogent point?

I have done nothing but chase you around several threads for 3 days presenting you with "cogent" points, actually counterpoints, hoping to get a legitimate response from you only to have you change your alias and go to another thread.

Are you going to sit there and honestly say that you have not read my "cogent" points directed STRAIGHT at you and your theories?

And don't hand me a bunch of drivel about attacking you, I have not only NOT attacked you till a just few minutes ago, but have called you intelligent on a couple of occasions. I have repeatedly offered you the forum for healthy debate on a number of these threads/issues, the first offer was conspicuously ignored while you chastised another poster for getting mad at opinions. By the way, the poster you chastised was also asked by you for a "cogent" point.

Leeza,

I reread your posts and have to say we are in more agreement on our views about Beth's confrontation with Deepak than I realized.

Everyone;

I still wish we would all stop the personal attacks. It only causes tension and frustration for all of us. Many times I have had some really negative thoughts towards a blogger but I have tried to restrain from using the foul responses that I have thought!

Leeza/lily bet,

Also, I am sure "Res" does not need me to defend him/her, but you DID NOT ask him/her for the US state code, you asked him/her for the Dutch code. Now call me crazy, but is there a real appetite for Dutch legal president in any state in the union?

You’re sitting in a law library, state to me a "cogent" point where Dutch law would have basis anywhere in America or for your own purpose, "Southern" America

All I said was that Beth may be compromising her case against the Aledged suspects by pursuing them the way she is


shouldn't compromise anything. either they are guilty or they are not guilty. doesn't matter what beth does or doesn't do.

Njata
Joran IS GUILTY of sexually assaulting Natalee, as he has admitted, and common sense all three are guilty but I understand we cant convict them on just that. But you did imply that because of Beth trying to take a stand to find her daughter when she isnt getting the appropriate help from the government there, that the court would not find them guilty? I found that upsetting and wrong. If I have misunderstood, please correct me, I am not on here to argue, but to find justice and share theories.

Well said elan.

Elan.....exactly what I was trying to say, thanks!

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