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"This action was premeditated by Beth Twitty [and the camera man ]. While Beth Twitty may not know it, the local lawyer may have overlooked the fact that Aruba also has a law against stalking."

But drugging a girl and then desposing of her dead body seems to be OK?

The Aruban LE and certain media have double standards. Every action that fits protecting one of their own is the law. When it's something for Natalee and her family, then it's not. Double standards so Aruba and her people are protected to look good.

KCS, there's proof that BHT did what she did. Last i read, there's still no concrete proof of drugs in NH body placed there by DK, nor is there proof of a body disposed by DK.

See, this is what bothered me about her going there. If she 'just' wanted to talk, she would have gone alone and talked.

Also, how dare she think that is okay to engage someone for over an hour while they are being paid to work. He was not at work being paid to talk to BHT about anything. While she was there, she totally interrupted their business because noone could get to the counter. She was totally monopolizing the cashier. If I were the owner of the Internet Cafe, I would also speak to the Police about having her banned from the premises. She was not there to have pictures developed. She was there to 'talk' to (or harrass depending on how you want to spin it) one of their employees. This was a disruption of their business and I would imagine highly uncomfortable for anyone else in the building.

I lose more and more respect for her every time she pulls one of these antics!

Beth needs someone to put her rear (for lack of a better word) in check... she just might get a 'rude awakening' if she doesn't take a chill pill.

One's friend can easily become their enemy or one can easily lose favour with those who feel that they are ebign taken advantage of.

The arubans need to get more agressinve with this lady period.

press charges against her, then she'll realize she ain't no "Steven Segal"

What's the point here?????

Of course the discussion was premeditated to a certian extent but it's still not "stalking", even within Aruba's legal system.

BT's inclusion of a camera could very well been at the suggestion of her lawyer as a defense against a bogus stalking claim. The camera is proof of what was said, and how.

FYI..

1) The cafe was in a public place, and BT was/is welcome there.
2) depak never asked her to leave.
3) There were no attempts to verbally abuse or physically abuse depak.
5)There were plenty of public witness's on hand.
6)There is no pattern of this type of activity by BT.
7)BT has every right to pose any questions she wants to anyone she meets in a public place or private establishment that is open to the public. This includes talking with any and all suspects.

I suggest that anyone on the island go and question one of the suspects when they are in a public place. Perhaps that will keep their lawyer busy with a multitude of bogus "stalking" claims.

The media does this thing all the time and they are not brought up on stalking charges. It's what you have to put up with when you inject yourself into the spotlight.

Too bad, Soo sad....

icey


Donnaanna,

Supposing a woman who was attacked by a man comes to your door asking for your help and you let her in your house. And then this man comes to your door and asks you if the woman is inside your home. Do you feel that there is an obligation to tell him the truth based on your belief that it is wrong to lie, eventhough you know that he will enter your home and do more harm to this woman?

Give me a freakin break people. If Deepak is manager of the Internet cafe, then he had authority to ask her BHT leave. It's not a public place, it's a privately owned business. Then he could have her arrested for trespass.

Did he ask her to leave? If she did not ask her to leave, she's just a person talking to another person. That Deepak guy is a freakin wimp.

Deepak's claims are bogus. Deepak also claims to be innocent.

Deepak, Deepak...
peace will not come to you by doing this. You know what you have to do.

Ten minutes would have perhaps been appropriate; ninety minutes is harassment, expecially when you look at the personality of Beth, expecially when Deepak did no significant talking to Beth so she did all of the talking. How would you like to have 90 minutes of Beth in your face.

Any way you spin this, it was not appropriate.

There is only suspicion about Deepak, not proof, else he would be charged with a crime. I can understand why Deepak would not want to talk with her, both because of lawyer advice, but also because he probably has significant resentment against her for the time he spent in jail on her accusations, expecially if he is in fact innocent.

I'm glad a camera was rolling when Beth was talking to Deepak. He said she was stalking him and that she was yelling and cussing. Well, just look at the footage and see if that's true (which I feel confident that it isn't). Then Beth can prove that Deepak is lying AGAIN and file a complaint against him (which I hear she is considering...)

Is DennisAOK around? If so, Dennis, I was right and you were wrong.
First, this was purely "Twitty theater" to give this story cable news coverage for two or three more nights. (The inevitable police complaint by Kalpoe bought another day or two).
Second, this man is not obligated to answer her questions or tolerate her theatrics just because SHE thinks he is guilty of participating in something. Thank goodness that in Aruba, like in the US, one is innocent until proven guilty and equal protection applies even to those already tried in the (uninformed) court of public opinion.
Third, this is entirely unfair to the employer that she manipulates the work flow.
BHT said herself that she wouldn't do this again. Me thinks she did herself a disservice by following the "Tim MIller school of public relations".

All of you ppl who are offended by BHT's behavior need to get a reality check. If your daughter was missing and "all know evidence" pointed to certain suspects who were free to roam around, you would certainly be after that person. I think Beth is being rather nice to Deepak considering all the circumstances.

Send your daughter to Aruba and wait for her to go missing before you make such claims.

Heck, Beth should be as aggressive as she can in Aruba, b/c the Aruban government is not going to do this by themselves. She should be on TV every day so that only bad things are heard about Aruba.

You ppl who think this story will go away and the media will stop covering it are wrong. The spotlight will remain on Aruba. this story charges people's emotions so the media will continue to cover it.

I would like to ask the commenters here:

Exactly what should Mrs. Twitty be doing? If you were in her shoes at this exact moment in time, what would you be doing? Thank you.

icey, et al

couldn't agree more. keep hanging yourself, deepak. this is not harassment, it is not stalking--since when does annoying someone or "making them mad" a crime. this is ridiculous. besides, go ahead and arrest beth--i hope you do--that will serve her cause even more.

Since Beth seems to be getting nowhere with her vigilant, determined approach, maybe she should consider trying to reach a sympathetic nerve in those involved. If anyone of the VDS or Kalpoe families have any feelings at all, they might break if Beth reaches them personally and emotionally. I think she is only getting their backs up with her current methods. I am not judging her in any way because she shows incredible integrity but maybe it's time she just begs and pleads with them.

Why is everyone so hard on BHT? I can't imagine not being able to find my daughter. She was last seen with these 3 boys for god's sake! The lies upon lies would make you that much more "irritated" than if they just came out with the truth. Joran should just come clean...even if he was to implicate himself. He will only spend a couple of years and then be let go.
( Remember he was a juvie when this happened. )
I still say that if they were to lock up all the Kalpoe brothers and Pappa VDS things would start moving faster than they are now.

P.S. Since when is an internet cafe NOT a PUBLIC PLACE????? I visit them all the time when on vacation and they look pretty public to me!

Another Observer - I think you are wrong about the coverage. That's why increasingly desperate and attention-grabbing theatrics are required to even be mentioned on cable news. MSM (network TV and print news) moved on long ago. If something actually happens, the news would cover it. But this story isn't even dominating cable news anymore.

leeza

I noticed that you're still posting blogs, just like the rest of us. Beth's "tactics" are working. Do you really think she just marched in to the cafe without careful thought of the consequences. Beth is not going to engage in action which will jeopardize her chance to find her daughter.

"Stalking” is a crime of harassment. The exact definition of stalking, and the acts that may be held to be stalking, are likely to vary from state to state. Generally, a person commits the offense of stalking if he or she makes a credible threat to another person and, in connection with the threat, repeatedly follows that person or repeatedly makes any form of communication with that person or a member of that person’s immediate family, whether or not a conversation occurs.

There has been no threat that I know of. And this has not been repeated and is a one time thing as of right now. Ya know, whether Deepak killed Natalee or not, he is such a cowardly loser in this whole thing it amazes me. He does not have a manly bone in his entire body. What a complete pu$$y (sorry), he's afraid of Beth cause if she had the chance she would castrate him with her own hands. Be a man and tell what you know, clear yourself once and for all if you can, step up and show you have a backbone. Do the right thing, as doing it now, may define what your life will become. Do nothing, and be labeled a predatory, cowardly shit for your entire life. Your choice you slackjawed gangsta wannabe hanger-on punk.

Nuff said, my rant is over.

Deepak, you are such a freaking LOSER!!!

Leeza, you are wrong about the media issue. Sure, the MSM (network news and print) have moved on, just like they do with ANY event other than maybe September 11 or the war in Iraq. That's why we have cable news. Fox News is still dominated by this story, and the reason some others cable news stations don't cover it as well is b/c Fox has a monopoly on it -- no one can complete w/ Great. Trust me, Greta's ratings will soar as long as this story is on her show.

i agree with satchmo. i want to know why its ok for bh to take the law in her own hands. we could not do that in the us. i think bh should not have bothered dp at work at all. she could have talked after work and i would not want to talk to someone that called me names because none of us really know. we just go by what we may think

i agree with satchmo. i want to know why its ok for bh to take the law in her own hands. we could not do that in the us. i think bh should not have bothered dp at work at all. she could have talked after work and i would not want to talk to someone that called me names because none of us really know. we just go by what we may think

Illinois Mother - I'm glad you know how to move this case along. Unfortunately for you, but very luckily for the rest of us, the rules of law prevent locking someone up just because someone read on the internet that he lied. Remember, if this were the US, nobody would be locked up, period.
Also, the internet cafe is a business. It is the absolute right of a business owner to remove someone who is disrupting business.

At any time, Deepak or his employer or anyone else in the vicinity could have called law enforcement to remove Beth if she was "harassing" anyone. Deepak could have stood up and walked out of the cafe (and don't even think about telling me she had him trapped in the cafe). One doesn't sit still for 90 minutes and subsequently yell "harassment" or "stalking." If that were the case I, and many others, have been stalked and harassed ad infinitum. A more accurate claim would be "annoyance" which carries not culpability whatsoever.

Question - Can anyone identify whether there are posters on here who have admitted over the last couple months to be friends or associates of JVDS or the Kalpoes? Are they still on here? What, if any, resonable arguments do they make? Do they still defend these 3 guys?

I'm glad a camera was rolling when Beth was talking to Deepak. He said she was stalking him and that she was yelling and cussing. Well, just look at the footage and see if that's true (which I feel confident that it isn't). Then Beth can prove that Deepak is lying AGAIN and file a complaint against him (which I hear she is considering...)

Posted by: mishy | August 11, 2005 01:11 PM

Have you seen all the video?

I don't consider BHT's visit to Deepak to be stalking or harrassment. Stalking -- she hasn't been following him around. Harrassment -- Deepak didn't ask her to leave (which I would have done); however, if BHT shows up at the Internet Cafe again to "question" Deepak, I would then consider it harrassment -- especially now that he has complained to the police.

What should be Beth doing ?/

Well we arubans expect her to behave like she should in USA.
I do not she families of victims of cols cases act like beth in USA.
She has 2 lawyers retained here in Aruba, If she feels there is corruption or coverup she should engage her layers to act judecially.
Aruban lawyers are not shy to speak why havent her lawyers tell in interviews that this case is being badly handeled or their is corruptions or coverup.

I tell you all those stories are just to keep american medias attention and airtime.

Dave has never spoken ill of the investigation, nor the police nor about the aruban system

Pappy

EXACTLY. The crime of "stalking" requires a pattern--not an isolated unpleasant encounter. Use your brains people.

"Do you really think she just marched in to the cafe without careful thought of the consequences."

Posted by: res_ipsa_loquitor | August 11, 2005 01:23 PM

~~

That's what she claimed. How many times has Beth changed her story about confronting DK? At least 22 times!

LOL LOL She's a goofball.


Silver

leeza

Did I miss something? NEVER was BHT asked to leave!
The Aruba Goverment has stated that all 3 boys have told repeated lies.....I didn't have to "read" that on the internet.

I sure hope you have a child that wants to go to Aruba one day............I'm sure you will be packing his or her suitcase because you think that no matter where they go they will be safe! LET A LIFE!

Maria - I suspect you'r Aruban, and I get the feeling Leeza is too. I'm sorry, the anger is not against the Aruban people in general, but in how corrupt and twisted your government and police system seem and how badly this case has been screwed up. Beth is acting the same way she would in the U.S. -- talking to the suspects and encouring the police to move the case forward.


Maria - Are you one of the VDS family friends, or employed by the mafia there?

An ongoing investigation, a person known to be represented by an attorney and because his attorney tells him NOT to talk to anyone about the case, suddenly Deepak becomes an even bigger suspect??? He suddenly has something to hide?? His attorney told him not to talk to anyone. Why retain an attorney if you aren't going to take his/her advice???

It seems to me that Beth Twitty has an attorney, if she was so bent on talking to Deepak why didn't she have her attorney contact Deepak's attorney in order to talk to him?

Oh, contacting the attorney wouldn't have made it media fodder though would it? (roll eyes).

"(Ed:Why not ask a family member to accompany her? Asking a press representative to accompany her is equal to asking for the visit to be recorded)"


DUH. EXACTLY..SHE WANTED IT RECORDED ...

2) depak never asked her to leave.


umm how do u know that, he actually did tell her to leave and yes she does have a right to go to the internet cafe but not to haggle the people working and secretly tape him, i mean i think that its against the law to tape someone without therte knowledge and air it on television

ok, so to those who say its not harassment, if deepak or PVDS went to a basketball game at mountainbrook high, and started asking NH's brother about natalee's romantic history, armed with cameras, and repeatedly asked him over and over and over and over about every boyfriend natalee ever had, do you think that would be harrassment, or do you just flip things around to fit your agenda?

Maria,

Thank you for your response. I believe you are mistaken; however, in your assessment of the behavior of families with missing children in the US. Not only do we expect our law enforcement to do everything they can, we DEMAND it. Americans commonly speak out when they feel our law enforcement officials are not doing their jobs - or anyone for that matter, in any situation that effects them. Evidence Cindy Sheehan demanding an audience with the President. This is one of the things that makes our country great - we effect change where it is needed.

I am stil wondering what exactly you would be doing at this moment in the investigation if you were Beth?

i agree maria. her lawyers not her should act but yes i do feel bad for her after all she lost nat. in the usa we would not be able to do her tactics.its not right for her to do it in aruba

There has been no threat that I know of. And this has not been repeated and is a one time thing as of right now. Ya know, whether Deepak killed Natalee or not, he is such a cowardly loser in this whole thing it amazes me. He does not have a manly bone in his entire body. What a complete pu$$y (sorry), he's afraid of Beth cause if she had the chance she would castrate him with her own hands. Be a man and tell what you know, clear yourself once and for all if you can, step up and show you have a backbone. Do the right thing, as doing it now, may define what your life will become. Do nothing, and be labeled a predatory, cowardly shit for your entire life. Your choice you slackjawed gangsta wannabe hanger-on punk.

Nuff said, my rant is over.

Deepak, you are such a freaking LOSER!!!

Posted by: Big Pappy | August 11, 2005 01:23 PM

EXACTLY.. aahhh poor little depak got his witty bitty feelings hurt... scardy cat.

Deepak should open his mouth and be a real man.. and maybe just maybe.. it could free his friend Joren... Thats where the anger should be!

pappy, leeza

"Appropriate" is not the measure of anything!! If the proprietor wanted to have her removed, he probably could have--but the fact is HE DIDN'T AND NEITHER DID DEEPAK. You're mistaken if you think this behavior wouldn't be tolerated in the US--happens every day. Are you telling me that you've never gotten angry and outspoken in a public place? Have your ever seen someone "cause a scene"? That person didn't get arrested, did they? How many times have you called the police or prosecuted when someone has made you mad?

I don't feel she was trying to provoke him, and I don't think she "premeditated" anything. I do believe she was concerned how she would come across. I think she wanted to ensure herself, and everyone else (by bringing a camera person) that she didn't come across as stalking or provoking or harassing him. I think she merely wanted to ask him what he knew and to point out that she was willing to let him have a chance at the reward money, as would anyone else who could lead her to her daughter. I didn't think she acted out of order in the slightest. I think Deepak has far too much to hide and is only intimidated because he knows he did something WRONG.

I am sick and tired of this victimized family being made out to look like they are bad people. Sure, they are far from perfect, but they are the VICTIMs here and it is so frustrating to see them being further victimized by silly acts like Deepak's complaint.

I am not sure I would or would not have confronted him had I been placed in that situation. NONE of us know how we would act unless we personally have gone through what she has been put through. I just feel it is wrong for people to be making judgments that she was "premeditated" on anything. I think the only thing she "premeditated" was to make sure that she wasn't doing what he put in his complaint.

Beth has said she will not go to the "Net Cafe again. My take is : She could be up on charges if she did. Not serious ones, but enough ( if she was found guilty )to deny her re entry to the country if she was ever to leave and try to re enter.

The Fox banner said yesterday :
Will Beth Holloway Twitty go to jail to find her missing daughter ?

Is her daughter in jail ?

The MSM is manupulating us all.

I have no idea why I get so angry over this whole thing, and why I am so interestd in this case.

I came to RWV to see if there was any news as I had not been home.

And here I am expressing my opinion as if I knew anything about what is going on. Or who is innocent or who is guilty. I have been approaching this as if it were a crime drama on tv and thay are giving out a prize for the who-dun-it.

I am also shocked at some of the comments by posters and my own anger.

I did not watch any MSM last night, I planted some flowers. I should try to tend my own garden
more often and just pray and hope that this is over soon.

Weet - do you have any logical skills? How can you compare questioning someone about her sexual past versus questioning someone about a murder. Not only is the focus of some Arubans on Natalee's dating past a red flag to distract us, it's of no consequence. And to answer your question, being a lawyer, no, if deepak or PVDS showed up at a mountainbrook event with cameras asking questions, that would not be harrasment b/c that's a public event, is not a repeated occurrence, and they were presumably not asked to leave. Also, what are the legal damages?

Beth has every right to speak to each one of those boys!! They were the last ones seen with her daughter and all 3 lied about it. Satish I'd say you're next!

I cannot believe so many people are blindly buying into Deepak's ridiculous claims. Is this the ACLU blog?

Illinois Mother-IF you had actually been reading this blog, you know that my child has been to Aruba. The difference is, I didn't let him run free, unsupervised, drinking without someone to watch out for him. That's because I realize that no vacation destination is completely safe.
Another Observer - I'm not Aruban. I'm southern American. I just work with, and have a profound respect for, the rules of law. I find it laughable that you assume someone whose opinions do not parrot your own must be family, friend, or employed by mafia. Your mind seems pretty closed to the big picture.

IMO, it wouldn't be "stalking" or "harrassment" if the guy was innocent. An innocent person would answer questions and be available to help. I would be shouting my innocence from the rooftops. Deepak is a _____. You fill in the blank, my word is too vulgar to use here.

Observer.

Here, here re: do you have any logical skills. I am also a lawyer & I'm astounded at how little reasoning goes into these sweeping statements of harassment and stalking. Educate yourselves before you open your mouths--then you might have some credibility.

On that note, I'm off to work

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