Damning Statement in Natalee Holloway Case Publshed In Diario

From a cable network news source:

Aruban newspaper Diario published what the newspaper says is a signed police interview with Joran van der Sloot in which van der Sloot says Deepak Kalpoe raped, killed, and burried Natalee Holloway.

The Diario has been reporting on this document for some time but have been accused by competing local media for making it up. The item was published verbatim today. Jossy Manur assures claims it is a direct copy of the police document, obtained through one of his sources. It has not been independently verified.

Translation of Declartion from Dutch: The suspect J.A.P. (Joran) van der Sloot walked with us (the police) a little bit further on and he declared to have suspicions that the suspect D. Kalpoe did bury the girl there somewhere.

According to the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot, the suspect D. Kalpoe had returned to the girl after having left her sleeping on the beach. To our question to the suspect J.A.P. van der Sloot what he thought had happened between the girl Natalee Holloway and the suspect D. Kalpoe, he declared that he thought that the suspect D. Kalpoe raped and killed the girl.

Thus written by us, under oath made under our testimony, closed and signed in Oranjestad on June 13th, 2005.

The signature is obscured.

Comments

[R Nelson]

Dan:
Was this a Freudian slip of yours in the article... Jossy Manur instead of Mansur. LOL

"The item was published verbatim today. Jossy Manur "

Posted by: CancunGirl | August 12, 2005 05:13 PM

Funny!

[leeza]

Now HERE'S an interesting fact from Catherine Crier today (no, not that whack job psychiatrist with his "thoughtprint"): Diane Dimond revealed that Deepak and Satish's lawyers are NEPHEWS OF JOSSY MANSUR. Yeah, I know that's in all caps because I'm screaming it.
So, here's the deal: According to what has been said on TV (don't know it for a fact), evidence that "leaked" to the media can not be used in court. Now, why would Jossy leak something knowing that it could be potential evidence. Oh, that's right, his nephews represent the two suspects he doesn't want charged.
Also, TJ Ward is going back to Aruba. This case is now as good as solved. (sarcasm) Seems to be a little tension between TJ and Jossy over the fact that the gardener was employed by a Mansur nephew and was given "a few days off" when he was called to court.
One more thing - Unless Aruba is drastically different than the US, "sworn statements" given to the police are investigatory tools only. A statement under oath must be subject to cross examination. That is the type of statement the gardener skipped town without giving.

[siny]

From Aruba here. I visit this site once in while, to make myself laught at seeing how comical it is that so many of you people spend so much time and energy posting comments back and forth, acting like detectives, making speculations, never ending blah blah blah. I laugh also because for a while now, in Aruba, the hype has died down. It is very unfortunate what happened to this girl, but the fact is that it remains unsolved, like over a million other unsolved "missing persons" cases in the USA, which cases could well be very silar to this one.

By reading the posts today (haven't been on this site for about 1 week) I am glad to see you Americans are realizing also now that the case and its theatrics, all this surrounding this bizzare happening, is not such a big deal, and it's actually getting on everyone's nerves.

Let's move on. Get a life, go take a walk in the park or something, hug your kid, make love. We dont care about the case anymore!

[Dolphin]

Good point seedyrum,
everybody in Aruba should keep an eye opened. Don't let them the possibility of moving the body if it has not already been done.

[Danisbest]

Dan

thanks for trying

you are doing your best

[Dolphin]

Siny,
if you do not care about the case, why is it getting on everyone nerves? Are there some people particularly nervous in Aruba?

[ustt]

you know, I am here because I support NATALEE - but at this point she is about the only one I support - I am sick of seeing beth and jug on tv every day I am sick of jossy sick ofaruba and their screw ups and lies - the only person I see acting with any dignity and not contradicting himself every five minutes is Dave Holloway

Posted by: bella | August 12, 2005 04:28 PM

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Without Beth and Jug and Dave's sister and Paul putting themselves out there to the public criticism....Dave wouldn't have been afforded the luxury of his quietness. I know that is probably his way and he would have been that way no matter what. But this investigation would not have been on the radar at all if nobody had been available for the grotesque job of going through the drudgery of going before the cameras. What if that was you - any one of those family - what if you were one of them. Would you have the strength to offer yourself up every day for the beating physically and emotionally they are having to take to find Natalee? The darts they suffer. The lies they hear. The corruption they are fighting. The sadness in their heart that their own country is not helping them except with lip service. How draining must that be. But all of us will walk until we are dead to find our babies. And on top of it all...we are all flawed human beings. We don't know how this is done. We have not done this before. How is one to "act" when their child may be in the worst possible situation or may be dead? There is no script.

Aruba would have made mincemeat of a singular family trying to do this search without a very strong support system. It just so happens this family has some support - not a lot but some. Enough to have at least exposed the corruption there.

And if you personally are "tired" of this, don't stay around. Nobody is making you listen to the news or come here, right?

I'm sorry for saying all that but things like what you said shouldn't be said. Just walk away. This is not an entertainment show. And those people are sure not there to entertain - they are trying to find their child.

[ustt]

Diane Dimond revealed that Deepak and Satish's lawyers are NEPHEWS OF JOSSY MANSUR. Yeah, I know that's in all caps because I'm screaming it.
(from leeza)
___________

Wow leeze. The plot thickenes by the minute.

That tidbit needs to be spread far and wide! I mean WIDE.

I'm sure hoping Beth knows this and has known it. Anyway to make sure?

[DennisAOK]

siny,

There are not "over a million" missing people in the USA.

Of those that do exist, most involve spouses apprehending their children.

Of the remainder, very few involve known persons seen with the missing person right before he or she disappeared. In this case, there were prime suspects – identified by the victim’s family - who should have been apprehended very quickly, along with their vehicles, and their homes searched. Virtually all American commentators - and many Aruban ones as well – agree that the police work in the critical first two weeks was substandard. If, as appears likely, the case is never solved, we know who deserves much of the blame. Perhaps you should direct some of your laughter at your local police force.

If you don’t care about the case, why bother posting?

[anon]

If the court had access to this document, why has Joran (with his 9 lawyers) been held so long while the Kalpoes were released?

The court is holding Joran because of evidence, no?

[Me Jane]

DITTO
My gut feeling is that this would have been solved if not for corruption and collusion on the part of some of the police.

[geegee]

RE: "evidence that 'leaked' to the media can not be used in court"

Garbage. I guarantee you that if evidence in a court case in Holland for rape-murder was leaked to the press that the Justice department would not toss up their hands and say, "Oh well, now we have to let the rapist-murderer go free." If the Arubans pull a stunt like that it would only be to give a well-connected criminal a "get out of jail free" card.

[Bigfish]

Bigfish are you from Montgomery by any chance.

Posted by: lin | August 12, 2005 05:25 PM

No lin, not from AL.

BF

[sandyst99]

Just a thought...
Maybe the public release of this statement will cause a wedge between the Kapoe brothers and Joran. Maybe we'll get a clearer statement from them???

[Melanie]

If this alleged police report was considered by the judge, then was was D. Kapoe released????

Something doesn't make sense here....just my opinion.

[satchmo]

The headline and the story do not match. Joran did not say that Deepak raped, killed and buried Natalee. He said according to this account that he thought that was what happened. Ask me what I think happened and I will tell you, but I do not know and what Joran said apparently is just as worthless as evidence as what I think happened.

Just another piece of the phony reporting in this case.

[Victoria]

Siny: we want this case over too, but we want justice for Natalee and I do hope that the American people find it a little out of their way to visit Aruba. The damage was done the first two weeks, and PVDS had a huge play in that. I am a diver and I just scratched Aruba off my list of destinations as well as the other two islands Curocao and Bonaire, and I really did like Bonaire! Justice for Natalee and prays for her family going through this horrible tradegy.

[clintcarter]

Despite whatever reasons Joran is in jail and Deepak is not;
There is nothing about the Known evidence that disproves the above scenario.

Perhaps Joran protected Deepak just a little too long.

[just an observer]

"I'm getting sick of everyone lying in this case. No one in this case has credibility. Unfortunately, Beth has lost credibility after the stunt with Deepak. Not the action, but, her 22 stories about it afterwards. She's twisted the truth more than a few times, and so has Jug. The only truthful person seems to be Dave Holloway, like a previous poster stated.

I'm totally disillusioned with the case. I feel horrible about what may have happened to Natalee. But, her mom and stepdad have told so many exaggerated stories, and have become so Jerry Springer-like in how they've behaved, I have no more interest in this case.

God bless Natalee holloway. If she's alive, I hope she can find her way home. But, I don't trust anyone else involved in this case, even her mom.

Don't mean to offend anyone who likes Beth. I just don't feel her anymore. I'm tired of seeing her, too.

Thanks for the updates Dan. You're the best!

Posted by: Ashleigh | August 12, 2005 05:02 PM"
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Right on Ashleigh!! Agree 100%. "Jerry-Springer like" lmao ;)

[Justice for Natalee]

Hard to tell if Joran has a reason to suspect that Deepak raped and killed Natalee--or is just trying to get the blame off himself.

[FloridaPatty]

Bigfish..a nod to you...
welcome back my friends to the show that never ends we're so glad you could attend
come inside, come inside...
...........................................

[R Nelson]

Note To Director:

Re: The Natalee Holloway Story II

Please note, we have received many complaints relative to the choice of cast members. In particular, the role of Natalee Holloway; played by Beth Holloway seems to be drawing the most criticism. Additionally, the parts of Jug Twitty,
TJ Ward, Jossy Mansur, and the majority of the cast should be considered for replacement. Oh, yeah, by the way, we've also had complaints about the ending..... Geeez.

[J. D.]

Don't be suprised if she shows up in Venezuela. Some sources have speculated about a major announcement coming very soon. This is no BS!

This comes from a inside source very close to the investigation.

[just an observer]

I cannot beleive the extent people are going to defend the Twitty's against everyone and everything. Now these vigilantes are looking to get things on Ruben Trapenburg Aruba's Govt Rep.

Just because Jug said that he was terribly disturbed by RT saying that "their rooms and rental cars are comped" when Jug himself stated in the letter to the Al Gov thanking the Aruba govt for "housing".

Or what about CNN's comments on Anderson Cooper, he didnt say anything bad except the facts of the extreme coverage. And now these same vigilantes are after CNN and the AC show.

[BeachBaby]

I wonder if Deepak's full name is: Deepak Patsy Kalpoe.

[Siren]

People can criticize Beth Halloway Twitty all they want. Beth knows in her heart she is doing the right thing for her daughter and everyone else be damned! That's what motherhood is about, the willingness to do anything and everything to help your children. Beth can take the heat and then some. Criticism is the least of her worries.

[lrgarcia210]

Will someone please tell me why Joran's father refused to let the FBI search the well on his property? If it is a water well, I am sure that Aruba has a public water system and that the water in the well is either drinkable, potable, or septic tank.

(Posted by TinkersDam. Regarding the abandoned well in the Van der Sloot's backyard, I have heard in another report that it is 800 feet deep. Is it not OBVIOUS to anyone in charge down there that is MOST LIKELY where the the Van der Sloots have dumped Natalee's body?? Other reports say that the body was buried at the fishermans hut, Tim's research backs that up and contends the body was MOVED.....yes, Paulus & Joran moved it to their own backyard well. The Van der Sloots have not allowed anyone to search their backyard, where the well is, doesn't ANYONE find this odd??)

Does Aruba have warrants issued to allow the search of the water well based on the possibility of finding more clues?

Aruba is approximately 9 miles long and about 3 miles wide, and the authorities are slowly running out of places to search.

I think the Aruba Prime Minister or the FBI should issue a search warrant or something to be able to search the well on the Van der Sloot property, since Paul refused to let them before. Does he have something to hide? I heard that the judge in Aruba for the investigation if Joran's godfather. I guess that is why they can't get anything done, because everyone is related somehow.

Come on people of Aruba, the whole world is watching all of you to look really really stupid, at the hands of a teenager with raging hormones and a sick love for a website filled with rape, and no respect for a beautiful woman. Joran's website had gang rapes, rapes in general, and torture before it was removed. It was www.Joran.com.

Hey Joran, pretend that it is your mother that you have done all of this horrible stuff to, and pretend that it is your mother at the bottom of the well on your family's property.

Would you still be trying to hide behind your father's association with officials of Aruba that are believing all of your lies. Paul's shifty eyes tell me all of you are lying.

Will the Prime Minister of Aruba please allow the search of this well so the grieving parent's can take their only daughter home to rest in peace?

Either way, you are still going to hell along with deepak and ceepak battery-pak brothers who seem to keep on going and going and and staying out of jail, while your ass gets hung. Happy Trails to you on your everafter ride into hell. Goodbye.

[WillUSayI'mMad]

you know, I am here because I support NATALEE - but at this point she is about the only one I support - I am sick of seeing beth and jug on tv every day I am sick of jossy sick ofaruba and their screw ups and lies - the only person I see acting with any dignity and not contradicting himself every five minutes is Dave Holloway

Posted by: bella | August 12, 2005 04:28 PM

So well said, and so very true.

[WillUSayI'mMad]

Either way, you are still going to hell along with deepak and ceepak battery-pak brothers who seem to keep on going and going and and staying out of jail, while your ass gets hung. Happy Trails to you on your everafter ride into hell. Goodbye.

Posted by: lrgarcia210 | August 12, 2005 08:14 PM

Sorry Irgarcia, you don't get to decide who will go to hell. We can't wish someone into hell.

[Casara]

If you are tired of this case, why are you on this blog?

Personally, I'm tired of hearing about the unprofessional, corrupt and inept Aruban "authorities" - ranging from the country's spokesman who has a teenager-like Tickle website to "polis" who are unable to do basic investigations.

If this case isn't solved, the stench coming from the Aruban police and government will kill the tourist trade. With so many other appealing destinations, who would go to this corrupt s**thole? God forbid something should happen to you, you'll get the shaft from the polis and government, while your obviously guilty criminal gets NINE lawyers...

Once the US tourists stop coming, your money-laundering and drug enterprises are sure to follow. Maybe this is the best thing for this godforsaken crap hole.

Posted by: dude | August 12, 2005 06:16 PM

________________________
EXACTLY!

You know this is not someone's own personal soap opera. This is a real life tragedy that has touched the heart of so many. I cannot say exactly why this missing person case has taken on such a life of its own, but I feel it is rooted in the sincere and courageous personalities involved. It is, also, rooted in Natalee's own spiritual projection. Beth is a powerfully spiritual person, and she has the courage of a mother lioness protecting her young.

Yes, these people have money and power...yes, they had the all-American dream...now it has turned sour. Their lives have been negatively altered forever, and their American dream has been shattered. So many of us can identify with this tragic turn of events. Also, many of us have so much respect for the fact this family will not give up until they know what happened to their daughter. This is a story of innocence lost...dreams destroyed...tragedy...most likely death.

This is, also, a story of a corrupt government...one that treated a human life as if it could be swept under the rug...it should not matter...just one disposable girl...one less tourist. The descrepancies and incompetencies shown by the police and government officials is almost incomprehensible...it has to be a coverup...what else could it be?
Mafia...probably so...bet my life on it...read the Mansurs were an old Mafia family. However, the Mansurs seem to be the only ones who care if Natalee is found, or who are trying to help. Are they sincere...time will tell...right now, they seem to be.

Reuben...his tickles site...man, that does take the cake! He is a government official, government spokesperson, and he has a tickle site linking him to all of these kids...also, heard he is into the rave scene...we all know what that is.
Yep, what a man of integrity he is!

For those who are tired of this case, watch a movie. Some of us want Natalee found, and we are not consumed with our own personal needs in this case. Beth Twitty, Jug, and Dave Holloway are all doing a great job of keeping this alive in the news media...they must continue to do so. What a wonderful family Natalee has, and this family is the epitome of an American family holding together to overcome a tragedy of undenialbe proportions. May we all be so courageous under similar circumstances. God bless them, and may Natalee find the peace she deserves soon. Only the TRUTH will give her soul this peace.

[donnaanna]

Did anyone else read the transcript from 'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for August 11(Thursday show)
Updated: 9:36 a.m. ET Aug. 12, 2005

Dave Holloway got to ask Satish's lawyer what Satish's story was about the night that Natalee disappeared!!!!

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8925236
HOLLOWAY: Right.

COSBY: So what is it?

KOCK: Very shortly, it‘s the statement that they said, that they left the Carlos and Charlie‘s nightclub, that they drove around, that they drove upon request of the other suspect, they dropped them next to the Marriott. They went home. I mean, you have records that you cannot change, phone records, computer records that clearly indicate where the suspects were at that moment. You know, that‘s why we—if the gardener would have come in today, I mean, we would have confronted him with all of this.

COSBY: Now, Mr. Kock, I got to ask you—we‘re talking about the belt tonight—was your client near the scene where the belt was located, near the lighthouse?

KOCK: You know, I just heard about the belt. I‘m waiting...

COSBY: I‘m asking you about...

KOCK: ... on hold here...

COSBY: I‘m asking you about the lighthouse. Was your client near the lighthouse?

KOCK: No, they said that they drove around in the car, that they drove around also near the lighthouse. So in the car, they were close to the lighthouse. I have no idea where this belt was found, so you know, I cannot really give you right now a statement on that.

[lrgarcia210]

Well WillUSayI'mMad, I don't really have to wish them into hell, more likely, if they killed Natalee, then my thoughts are that the devil will be waiting when they die, and I will not have to wish them in.

[WillUSayI'mMad]

We can't even speculate who will go to hell, Irgarcia.

We don't know if they killed her. We might never have that answer.

[DennisAOK]

J.D.,

The Aruban police have been saying the case was about to break since early June.

[WillUSayI'mMad]

Reuben...his tickles site...man, that does take the cake! He is a government official, government spokesperson, and he has a tickle site linking him to all of these kids...also, heard he is into the rave scene...we all know what that is.
Yep, what a man of integrity he is!

Posted by: Casara | August 12, 2005 08:27 PM

How can you be sure it is really his "site?"

Anybody can take a pic off the net and create a site pretending to be that person. You know that. You can't take everything for granted.

[icey]

Don't believe this for a minute. It it was that easy to get out of a crime, there would be no convictions in aruba. Simply payoff someone in the ALE, announce it in the news, and have your case dropped.

Sorry, it's not that easy.

icey

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Jossy is going to ruin this case if he continues to release police records for public viewing. This is just another reason for the Aruban court to throw the case out.

Posted by: cmroy21 | August 12, 2005 04:14 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[bhammom]

I have been following this blog since the beginning. (Although we do not know them personally, my family lives less than 5 miles from Natalee's home.) I agree that Beth could have been capitalizing on the "drama" aspect of speaking to Deepak in order to continue focus on the search for her daughter. However, this message is to anyone who is a mother in this posting: If you would not do the same, if you would not risk looking foolish or desperate or whatever to find your child - then you do not deserve the honor of being called "Mother". Beth is doing what she has to do and I do not blame her one iota. In fact, I think she is extremely brave and strong to have held-up as gracefully as she has. Natalee, I hope you come home soon and wish peace to your family. Even if your peace is eternal rest - you're in a better place - and God will help your amazing Mom.

[icey]

Sorry.... This sounds like total BS. Don't get me wrong, I hope NH can be returned to her family alive and in a condition where she can recover from her ordeal.

This is just smacks of another internet BS story. OK.. I'll play... I'm surprised.. Please provide a few more details on this major announcement, and perhaps shed some light on your source.

Ok... I'm waiting........

icey

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Don't be suprised if she shows up in Venezuela. Some sources have speculated about a major announcement coming very soon. This is no BS!

This comes from a inside source very close to the investigation.

Posted by: J. D. | August 12, 2005 07:47 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[bhammom]

...and another thing....I have thought from the very beginning that someone took this child to another country and sold her. She is not on Aruba and never has been. JVDS, PVDS, Deepak and Satish all know where she is or at least to whom she was given. JVDS is obviously "all about the money". (remember in early photos the one of him fanning a handful of money and grinning like a Cheshire cat?) Joran / Deepak traded Natalee to pay off a gambling or drug debt. I certainly hope someone has been looking diligently elsewhere for Natalee, although I have to say that even cable news hasn't reported much on this angle. And...if that is the case and Natalee is located in hell on earth...I don't know quite how to process that possibility. I can't imagine loosing a child...but there are some things worse than death and being sold into prostitution or worse would be very hard from which to recover.

[beanie]

All of Joran's friends had tickle sites, including his father Paulus who said he is bi-sexual..Who knows maybe their friends have access to their passwords..and Ruben, I have seen him at a rave party with lots of snorting of cocaine on someone who was missing their clothes..very damaging..but it doesn't mean it is fake..could be very real..I have seen Joran, Jamie, Lorenzo, and few others with real pictues...just matter of opinion..also seen the sites pull down..but pics are copy already by a few as reference...seen them worshiping the devil..and oh..other people that knew them said the pictures were them..so who do you believe..all I know..they should of all hide from the camera..as it can be damaging..like any of them care either..the hand signal is the sign of worshipped the devil..so these people involved in this case are all very sick individuals that like to play head games..perhaps one day there karma will be arriving with the same matter on their plate.

p.s. Oh,. Mansur son is the one that overseas the garpage dump..isn't that amazing how involved Jossy is??? The whole family has some kind of connection..I say go after the POLICE CHIEF..needs to be arrested for the huge comspiracy of all the decetion in this case with NH. I pray for her and family.

[voce]

1:30am, the club is closing, Joran says to Natalee that he has a ride; it's a short drive, everybody saw her with him, everybody has met Joran, Natalee feels safe;

in the car, after a short talk, Joran tries to convince her to take a longer drive with them to the Lighthouse, a tactic many boys use; she declines, he makes a pass and she rejects him. She notices that they passed the HI. Worried, she asks Deepak to stop: they stop right after the HI, before the Marriott.

It is not later than 1:40am. She rushes out, falls down, Joran goes after her apologizing, helping her, while the brothers wait in the car; Joran tries jokingly to hold her, to stop her, she gets him really mad, he strikes and accidentally kills her.

Joran freaks, gets Deepak out there. Tells him they started making out, she passed out and fell on the ground.
It’s dark: Deepak doesn’t see any blood or huge bruises. He has no reason to think his friend killed Natalee.
Probably Deepak believed they would be arrested anyway. Everybody saw Natalee getting inside Deepak’s car and she was fine: half an hour later she passed out while with them. In panic, they decide to leave her there.
This could explain why Deepak feels as guilty as Joran: they both decided to leave her there.
They take Joran home, and then they drive home. It's 2am.

Joran wakes up his Dad. He tells him the same story he told Deepak.
While the brothers, thinking of an overdose that could implicate them, get home and go online to establish their alibi, Dad and Joran rush to the beach to find Natalee.

Dad makes up an alibi for the trio: they went for a short ride, they took Natalee back to the hotel at 2am. She was drunk, she stumbled in and they never saw her again.
Joran and dad find Natalee’s body, and they put her in the car. Dad tells Joran to call Deepak and tell him that he is back at the beach and that Natalee isn’t there. That maybe she was okay but, if something awful happened, if she went swimming while drunk and she drowned, they all had to stick to the story of dropping her off at HI at 2am to avoid trouble. After the call that establishes that Joran went back to check on Natalee, Dad and Joran drive back home.

Back home, at 2:40am, Joran is grilled by Dad who, by now, knows his son accidentally killed an American tourist because he looked at Natalee’s body in the light of his house (or shed, garage, etc.) and saw the bruises. He wants to know everything else that really happened, to prepare for the worst. They go through the story and what Joran should or shouldn't do or say, until Dad sends him to bed around 3am.
Joran ignores his father's advice and texts Deepak at 3:20am.

Meanwhile, Dad folds, tapes, and prepares Natalee’s body to be stored in a safe place before being destroyed.
He would do it alone, not with his son.
By 4:00am, in one hour, with his knowledge of crime and a large property, Dad should have had enough time to think of how to dispose of a small body like that, a body that fits in a duffle bag. He could have used the darkness to drive the body to an incinerator, an unused well, a construction site, an old cemetery, any safe place. Not the water, too risky. There are so many ways to dispose of a small cadaver with all that time at one’s disposal. Aside from 3 full hours that night, enough even for an idiot to dig a deep hole in a hidden corner of his property, Dad had almost 2 weeks before the police properly focused on his family. A very long time to clean the house, the car, and make sure Natalee’s body would never be found, with or without outside help.

While his father is doing his best to destroy evidence, Joran meets the brothers the day after and they embellish their story adding the security guards, the whorish/drunk/drugged attitude Natalee had, and they ask their DJ friend to lie for them, all to reinforce their alibi. Just like kids.

Unfortunately, at 11:00pm, Natalee’s parents land in Aruba and in a few hours are on their collective ass.
After the first useless and dangerous lies, Dad tells the kids not to say anything, adding no body=no case.

Then they are finally arrested. The brothers admit they dropped Joran and Natalee at the beach, so Joran invents a new alibi. The more details come out, the more their story changes.

Only Dad knows what happened to her body. The brothers think she probably drowned, they can only speculate.
The brothers could say they saw Natalee “sleeping” on the beach and it is probably true.
If the brothers talk, they still cannot implicate Joran’s dad; only Joran can but it would be his complete downfall.

Dad will be hard to crack. But Dad had to take Natalee’s body home to prepare for her destruction. He needed a car, bags, tape, a place to do it and a place to stop and think. Natalee was in his house. Or in his garage, shed, etc.
If the police can place her there, or in one of the VDS’ cars, even with minute forensic evidence, then Dad will be in trouble. If the VDS’s are renting their house, the FBI should move in and start looking seriously.

All other theories fall once we keep these facts in mind:
1) Joran’s dad admits to saying to the boys “no body=no case” as an advise, a phrase that only somebody who knows what happened to Natalee’s body could comfortably say the day after her disappearance. This also eliminates the theory of somebody else committing the crime, some maniac who walked on the beach that early morning, a disgruntled lover, etc. etc.. Because if somebody else killed her, Joran’s Dad wouldn’t know when and where the body would show up unless he has supernatural powers. It leaves Joran and the brothers as the only main suspects, and the father as the executor of her body’s disappearance;

2) kidnappers, drug kingpins and smugglers have their pick of gorgeous Eastern European blondes sold by their husbands, boyfriends, even by their families. They certainly don’t need to kidnap, in plain view, wealthy American girls who are on a trip with more than 100 people;

3) if a person overdoses, his/her friends don’t go back to the dealer to complain. In no way a dealer would help a buyer get rid of a body. They would get rid of the buyer.

[leeber]

If something happened to my daughter and I had the financial resources I would do the same thing that Natalee's mother is doing. It's her daughter. With my personality...I know I would find a way and would fight with my all to find my daughter. My prayers and best wishes go out to her.

[DennisAOK]

bhammom,

No one in US or Aruban law enforcement thinks this is a real possibility.

[Kelly3]

I think all three are just pointing fingers at each other to mess up the investigation. If there is very little evidence and at least two of them are pointing at each other its becomes a MESS. I think Joran and Deepak are guilty as sin and the other brother knows what happened. This case is like a dog chasing its tail.

[DennisAOK]

voce,

Joran admitted to having sex with Natalee both to his mother and to the delegation at his home in the early morning hours of May 31.

[Jonis]

It looks like there will never be a post with facts rather than speculation.

[chikken]

Oh Gawd...........

[bhammom]

DennisAOK -

I'm wondering, though. Could it be that LE has managed to slip by the press (as LE usually tries to do so the press doesn't screw-up their chances of catching the bad guys!) and this is a viable answer to Natalee's whereabouts?

Another question would be WHY do they not think this is a real possibility? Based on 4 individuals' lies? SURELY that is not the case...

Then again, our government I believe truly has informants in these underground worlds and LE might be getting their information from them. (let's hope so, anyway) Most of the men in my family are or have been cops - and I know for a fact that a common practice (in the US at least) is to make "friends" of the "enemies" of society in order to have access to information....

I'm not sure I don't think Natalee is dead. But how in the WORLD can she not have been found if she is in Aruba?! I keep going back to that.... I guess if they dumped her body in the sea, that could explain it.....

[res_ipsa_loquitor]

I'm coming in late in the conversation,so sorry if this is repetitive.

I think Joran could have made the depostion under oath--but it's irrelevant. So he made the statment; can't we assume it could be another of his lies. I'm assuming the statement wasn't credible to the authorities and that is why Deepak is still free.

For me the jury is still out on Jossy. Don't really know what to make of him. I don't think he's involved in the crime or cover-up because I don't think he would expose himself so much and so frequently. But I go back and forth believing his statements are no more than irresponsible journalism--or he's intentionally deceptive.

Thouhts?

[res_ipsa_loquitor]

bha

I'm with you--cops,intelligence probably have underground sources and probably know more than we think.

I get upset when I see people writing that the FBI should be forthright with us and tell us what they know. WE ARE NOT ENTITLED TO ANY INFORMATION FROM THE FBI OR ANY OTHER AGENCY INVOLVED. Just because we WANT to know does not mean we have a RIGHT to know