Breaking News: EarthQuake Hits Aruba

Joe Houston, speaking on behalf of EquuSearch appeared on Hannity and Colmes this evening and stated that the search is bogged down due to a lack of heavy equipment.

Apparently, while the group was provided with a donated Backhoe, Mr. Houston now feels that from three to four Bulldozers are required to strip off the top layer of the entire approximately two acre land fill to a depth of one foot down to the relevant dumping time period. That would be followed up in additional stripping actions in of 3 - 4 inch increments - within the depth most-likely filled during the pertinent time frame.

Authorities are reported to have already searched this land fill after a witness came forward over a month ago. That witness claims to have watched a group of individuals place what appeared to be a container with a female body inside, presumably in a particular spot, as they then, according to the witness, covered the body with a plastic covering of some sort.

Given that this search has now moved from said location given by the witness, to the entire land fill, it is only safe to conclude that a massive earthquake struck the tiny island while the world was looking the other way, perhaps searching for Natalee Holloway in Venezuela.

Sorry folks, but land fill aside, this is getting to be garbage time, indeed. Also, it was noted that hope may yet reside in an undisclosed report and unnamed witness found by private investigator. IN a last bit of irony, the private investigator, for once, had nothing more to say.

Developing ...but very hazy. Must be the light.

For critics - I'll get serious again, once the news does, too.

Update: I am re-locating this story to the humor category, in keeping with the report.

Comments

[RJ]

Really guys check out Werner. He may have alot more to do with this than you think. The boy does not tell because he does not know. He is protecting his Father who is one SICK PUPPY!!!

[RJ]

Sorry post problems

[vr]

Please take your own suggestion seriously --
This is really not the place for so-called
humor -- even though YOU OWN THIS forum -- still
feel you have some responsibility for the family
and to those of us who look to you (based on
previous reputation) for timely, accurate, fact-
based information at least some respect. We can
get broke-comedian humor via The National Enquirer. Just my opinion. Maybe most of your
readers don't work, but I am employed, have
a special interest in the Holloway disappearance
and really feel somewhat offended at taking the
few minutes I can squeeze into a work day to
try and find our the "latest" only to be mislead
into reading an attempt at humor, obviously driven by "personal" agenda's !

Like I said, "my opinion"

[WillUSayI'mMad]

Thank you ChinBeard. It is repulsive to read people referring to him as "urine," and you are absolutely right that it totally kills any credibility that they may have had. Didn't we do stuff like in that second grade? You'd take someone's last name and rhyme it with something nasty and call them that all year?

It seems like we just can not discuss this case in an intelligent and fair manner without everyones hangups and dumb biases becoming immediately obvious.

Everyone wants to pick on BDog, mike1, wackytheories, Dan and others because they have viewpoints that differ from "The Pack." The Pack hold Beth and Natalee as two wronged saints. Jug is also a saint, while they sort of think of Dave as a "nice guy." He can't qualify for sainthood because he left Beth you know. (Or did she toss him out? See--we don't know. No one knows what happens inside a marriage. It is sort of obvious that they are extremely different in temperament and personality. She is much better matched to Jug. I'll not further elaborate. You probably know what I mean.)

You know, it was the same exact mentality when Princess Diana passed away. She was viewed as a saint. I'll never forget Fran Drescher gave a dumb interview where she said the paparazzi had murdered Di, and she had been an "angel. An angel!" While Di was a lovely, compassionate lady, we all know the truth now, huh? She was just an imperfect human being.

So can we stop with the canonization of Beth and Natalee and approach this with some rationale?

[WillUSayI'mMad]

And it is your opinion, vr. And it is just about worth typical market value, .2.

[ChinbeardXIV]

Thanks, WUSIM...and it brings up a point: I am not pro-Joran van der Sloot...but, I am pro-fact. If (yes, IF) evidence comes around that shows this young man is a murderer, then I will gladly admit it--otherwise, he's a jailee...

I guess I just want to hear people report facts as facts...and express opinions as opinions. They aren't synonymous.

[GRLFMBAMA]

Why do some of you bloggers insist on reading into the Holloway Twitty families, garbage about which side is doing the best job, and making it into some kind of contest about which side loves Natalee the most? GARBAGE! Believe me, those posts that divide rather than help, I skim quickly and separate the weeds from the chaff.

We don't all have to like BHT. Yes, some of you are annoyed with her and Jug. Do you feel better now that you have slammed them? Is that helping find their daughter? Has it made anyone reading this feel better except you?

Humbug on you.

Posted by: sleuth | August 3, 2005 08:25 AM

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!!

[GRLFMBAMA]

Why do some of you bloggers insist on reading into the Holloway Twitty families, garbage about which side is doing the best job, and making it into some kind of contest about which side loves Natalee the most? GARBAGE! Believe me, those posts that divide rather than help, I skim quickly and separate the weeds from the chaff.

We don't all have to like BHT. Yes, some of you are annoyed with her and Jug. Do you feel better now that you have slammed them? Is that helping find their daughter? Has it made anyone reading this feel better except you?

Humbug on you.

Posted by: sleuth | August 3, 2005 08:25 AM

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!!

[GRLFMBAMA]

Why do some of you bloggers insist on reading into the Holloway Twitty families, garbage about which side is doing the best job, and making it into some kind of contest about which side loves Natalee the most? GARBAGE! Believe me, those posts that divide rather than help, I skim quickly and separate the weeds from the chaff.

We don't all have to like BHT. Yes, some of you are annoyed with her and Jug. Do you feel better now that you have slammed them? Is that helping find their daughter? Has it made anyone reading this feel better except you?

Humbug on you.

Posted by: sleuth | August 3, 2005 08:25 AM

MY THOUGHTS EXACTLY!!

[WillUSayI'mMad]

GRLF, posting the same post repeatedly and in caps, is akin to screaming in a public place. Even people from Alabama are not allowed to do that unless there is a fire, or imminent danger, or a child trying to escape kidnapping.

[mona]

One question to stir the pot: How did Paulus know their was no body if he hadnt indeed disposed of it?

[mom]

Each parent contributes to the search as they can. Beth is keeping the focus in the media and therefore keeping the pressure on for the whole issue not to be swept under the rug. Dave is physically searching. Neither is right and neither is wrong. They are all victims and are doing an amazing job of supporting the search for their child.

[WillUSayI'mMad]

To add another ingredient to the pot: PVDS says he never ever said that. So now what?

[Big Pappy]

RJ and EV,

I had those same thoughts earlier in the investigation. That they went back to the VDS home for some privacy, and that is where the "something bad" happened. What if they went back there and Natalee passed out, Joran left the house for whatever reason, and Natalee woke up and freaked out and was confronted by Paul. I would seriously doubt it was a "get a young girl for Dad" scenario, that is pretty out there. But I ran through scenarios in my head early on about them going back to the house, for the pool, for privacy, and something happening where Paul was involved for whatever reason. All the subterfuge regarding where they were is an interesting thought Food for thought, just my opinions though folks.

[\\\\CroSSBronXXPress////]

Re : Are the Eccusearch guys partying at Hooters, falling down drunk and breaking hips with their OWN pocket money?

Lol......LOL...Hopefully!!!

[ChinbeardXIV]

Mona...first, from where are you getting your information? Remember, media reports are nothing more than a person/source telling someone something--they're not necessarily fact, just stories.

If we know for a fact that Mr. van der Sloot knew of a missing body before the story broke, then I'd agree. However, his alleged statement to his son (and company) could have been made as a "what if?" We just don't know the facts on that right now.

[GeorgeT.]

Of course it's not all about Beth. But, she is stern and strong and will not leave that island without her daughter.

Posted by: bey | August 3, 2005 08:25 AM

See, that is the problem. Beth needs grief counseling. The point being, she WILL leave the island without her daughter and she is not at a point that she can accept that. There are steps to grief. She needs to be in a hospital and have someone professional in grief counseling helping her. I can not see why Jug does not take her home and help her get into therapy. She is NOT healthy. The world at large, her friends, family, neighbors are not doing her a service to not take professional care of her. She needs to be in a hospital with professional people taking care of her to help her face reality. Where are you people who care about Beth so much? It is much like letting someone have the keys when they are drunk. You are letting her spin in this spiral of dispare.

Posted by: GeorgeT. | August 3, 2005 11:04 AM

[Big Pappy]

Sorry, last post jumbled at end. I meant all the subterfuge regarding where they were in the supposed stories, Holiday Inn, Fisherman Huts, Lighthouse, Beach, etc. They could make up story after story of where they said they were, simply to divert attention to those places of investigators while the clock ticks. In the meantime, no full search of the entire VDS compound? Not sure of that, but Paul won't let them back in now and that is kind of telling in my opinion.

[Lynn]

See, that is the problem. Beth needs grief counseling. The point being, she WILL leave the island without her daughter and she is not at a point that she can accept that. There are steps to grief. She needs to be in a hospital and have someone professional in grief counseling helping her. I can not see why Jug does not take her home and help her get into therapy. She is NOT healthy. The world at large, her friends, family, neighbors are not doing her a service to not take professional care of her. She needs to be in a hospital with professional people taking care of her to help her face reality. Where are you people who care about Beth so much? It is much like letting someone have the keys when they are drunk. You are letting her spin in this spiral of dispare.

Posted by: GeorgeT. | August 3, 2005 11:04 AM

Couldn't agree more! This woman has shown incredible persistence and fortitude it's time for her to let someone help her get through this-which one way or another is what she is eventually going to have to do.

[icey]

Arubans think "runaway/kidnap" because it's places the focus of the investigation and blame elsewhere and not in Aruba. Somehow they think that NH would really have wanted to disappear from Aruba on her own, which is so lame. They just don't get the reality that NH could have done that anytime in the US. That leaves kidnapping, which if occurred, is a major negative for Aruba.

Let's face it, the 3 punks admit they saw her last and no one has seen NH since. Even if NH was plucked off the beach by aliens, the 3 are responsibile in some way, shape or form for her disappearance.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in Aruba if you were the last person to see a missing person, don't they suspect you of kidnapping at the outset? If that's the case, these 3 qualify for a kidnapping charge.

icey

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Interesting. Wonder why a lot of people that live there think she is alive, and off island, and left willingly?

There has got to be an undercurrent of the truth rumbling in the gossip around the island with possibly some truth in it.

I had given up on her being alive until I heard this. There are people that know what happened and for sure they have told others. Maybe she really is alive.

Posted by: shonane | August 3, 2005 02:16 AM

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[Big Pappy]

George, my $.02 on Beth and her current state.

I doubt you could not get her out of that spiral of despair if you tried, neither could her family or close friends. If you know about grief, you know that there are many phases, anger, denial, depression, none of which really come until the shock goes away. She is in the "strong woman" mode right now, do you really think anyone could talk her down from there? And would you really leave faced with all this seemingly botched investigation and conflicting information? Took me well over two years to get over the death of my father, and my wife is a grief counseler, and I work at a funeral home, where I was able to memorialize my father in many ways that made the healing process much easier.

To expect that she should go home and get help at this early stage is not realistic in my opinion, and would only make Beth more resolved and angry.

[WillUSayI'mMad]

Exactly Chinbeard. Everyone is running off with foregone conclusions. What are they trusting in to provide the truth? Fox? I watched the most recent nightly interview with Greta and it was totally unprofessional. She has become personally involved and frankly, shouldn't even be reporting on the case anymore. She has lost all objectivity and is becoming a spectacle.

Twittys say VDL said he picked up boys at 11:00 pm, changing it from 4:00 am. Where is the proof? Was he taperecorded? If so, let us hear it please!
Changed the story some "22" times? Even Greta doesn't concur with that!
Twittys say Paul is coaching kids. Tapes? Proof?
Aruban PD is corrupt? Previous records proving corruption?

The thing we americans hold so dear is our supposed fairness. "Innocent until proven guilty" is the hallmark of our justice system. But we're more than ready to get out the noose for a kid who has not been proven guilty.

The strange fact is that there is no physical evidence in this case. None. There is not a trace of her found yet. Usually violent assaults (what everyone is convinced occurred) have 101 clues and a plethora of evidence. Attackers usually sustain scratches, cuts, scrapes in the scuffle to hurt someone. Little Samantha Runion gave her attacker a good fight, leaving irrefutable evidence of what that inhumane monster Avila had done. Natalee was in superb physical shape. I know she would have been no match for Joran; he's a big kid. But how is it that these kids have NO scratches, nothing to indicate what might have gone on. Because she was drugged, right? Proof? Proof that they drugged her?

Like Chinabeard, I'm not on anyone's side. But I just can't jump on the tried-and-fried-by-popular-opinion-bandwagon.

I would hate to see peoples lives absolutely destroyed without a shred of evidence to justify that.

[icey]

The family really needs to be together on the same interview, although they are doing a great balancing act.

DH is probably still struggling with his initial concern that NH NOT go on this trip, possibly being over-ruled by BT. I believe he was against it for whatever reason and fate has proved him right.

icey

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But, bitterness in divorce is nothing unusual, and I think we can see that Beth, Dave and Jug aren't on the best terms. Otherwise, they'd appear together, not on split screen. I think Jug is responsible for whatever permanent schism exists. For some reason, he just seems like the type to lay down the law, and it's his way or the highway. That doesn't make him a bad person, but, this is the quality that may alienate Dave, and the quality which most people are tired of seeing on television all the time.

Posted by: ashleigh | August 3, 2005 10:25 AM

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[WillUSayI'mMad]

I agree George and Lynn. I don't think it is healthy to be in Aruba for Beth.

I don't think it is kind for people to continue to foster false hope with suggestions that Natalee is still alive.

[lrgarcia]

Will someone please tell me why this new so-called winess did not speak up 2 months ago, when he claims he saw 3 men dumping a body, and saw her blond hair and one hand hanging out of the black cover wrapped around her.

And what was he doing at the dump? Is it that he did not care about it until the parents announced a reward for information, so now FBI is having to search through a garbage dump on his word, and now, if the FBI finds her, he gets the reward.

How does anyone know if he is not a silent partner
in this group?

I pray that Natalee is found.

My next question is how do the garbage workers decide where to dump the garbage each day? Is it one day in the left rear, 2nd day, move alittle to the right, etc.?

If this witness could give an exact location in the dump, of where he saw her dumped, and allow for the time that the tractors have pushed it back.

Which corner of it is closest to the entrance?

I will made an guess that Natalee is about 200 yards north of the entrance of the dump, and about 20 yards from the west side and in about 4
feet of garbage.

Sorry Natalee, you deserve so much more than this.

[icey]

Gee... We all know that "proof" is the problem here. If it was that simple, the case would have been solved already.

Let's face it ALE had no clue on how to proceed with the investigation, and gave the prime suspects 10 days to work their magic.

At the get go, ALE was not the least concerned about a missing american girl. They would have gladly waited over 2 days before getting involved. Now mix their inactivity in along with thier current story that one can be swept of to another island in 45 minutes and you have a police force that does not need to investigate much because they always have an easy way out! (NH left the island on her own, or was kidnapped.)

icey

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The strange fact is that there is no physical evidence in this case. None. There is not a trace of her found yet. Usually violent assaults (what everyone is convinced occurred) have 101 clues and a plethora of evidence. Attackers usually sustain scratches, cuts, scrapes in the scuffle to hurt someone. Little Samantha Runion gave her attacker a good fight, leaving irrefutable evidence of what that inhumane monster Avila had done. Natalee was in superb physical shape. I know she would have been no match for Joran; he's a big kid. But how is it that these kids have NO scratches, nothing to indicate what might have gone on. Because she was drugged, right? Proof? Proof that they drugged her?

Like Chinabeard, I'm not on anyone's side. But I just can't jump on the tried-and-fried-by-popular-opinion-bandwagon.

I would hate to see peoples lives absolutely destroyed without a shred of evidence to justify that.

Posted by: WillUSayI'mMad | August 3, 2005 11:32 AM
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[WillUSayI'mMad]

More interviews? Is there anything new that can be said?

Greta did say one thing last night that I will agree with. She said that if it has come down to the point where Joran's body language is all they have to go on, there is really nothing left to the investigation. It has come to rehashing of the same old questions, and what went "wrong." And of course, the showing of pictures and video clips that people have seen a 1000 times. Now they are airing clips of Natalee talking or joking around with friends. This is getting a bit voyueristic. I found it creepy watching her chat with a buddy from the backseat. This is not healthy.

[GeorgeT.]

Big Pappy,
re:If you know about grief, you know that there are many phases, anger, denial, depression, none of which really come until the shock goes away.

I think she is inbetween the anger and denial phases. "She is ready to fight." The point I am trying to make is that the world needs to understand that she is functioning out of these phases, which are ones that encompase not functioning in a necessarily normal realm. People are trying to communicate with her as if she were in charge of what she is saying. I do not feel that she necessarily is. Dispare is like a drug, one functions at a reduced rate and with not necessarily correct conclusions. People are interviewing her and responding to her as if she were well.

[WillUSayI'mMad]

Excellent point GeorgeT., and one that almost no one seems to notice. That is about the sanest point I've read on this case.

[Big Pappy]

George, Not disagreeing that she is in a bad place and not functioning normally at all, only that expecting her family to haul her out of there and get her into therapy is not realistic at this point. What she is doing is necessary for her right now, and that is part of the grief process. In reality, I think the whole family is in that same twilight zone right now, they all know they should leave, but that means giving up, something none of them are willing to do at this point.

[GeorgeT.]

Who Beth is "fighting" is herself. She is finding herself in a situation where she is not in control of her life and how SHE wants it to be. We live in a culture where a person is judged by what they DO. ie: Where do you WORK? What do you DO? We do not value people for just being. I have a neighbor who is a perfect example of someone who has learned to BE. He is a quad and has been for 35 years. He is my role model in life because he has more patience than possible. He sits in his wheelchair in the sun and WAITS for someone to bring him a drink of water, which does not happen at his command as he lives alone. "To wait" is a term that is foreign to the current culture of the US. We live in a "I want it NOW" culture. Beth is a perfect example of that outlook. "I want answers and I want them NOW." One has to learn patience. I think this is the lesson for the world. "Wait upon the Lord." When my fellow brothers were in POW camps during Viet Nam and other wars since, they were faced with being literaly caged in a bambo hut while emerced in water up to their necks. They somehow survived. The survival instinct clicks when one faces the reality of one's situation. Beth is not able to look in the mirror and see the bambo hut, much less that she is emersed up to her neck in water. She can survive, but she is thinking that she is swimming away from the hut. It is one that she will be in for the rest of her life.

[Big Pappy]

Patience would not be an emotion at the top of my list if I suspected my daughter dead and had not seen her for over 2 months.

[Charlie Aprahamian]

I'm sorry, but I believe this witness to be a diversion set into motion by the same currupt individuals that have hindered this investigation from the start. Namely Paul Van Der Sloot, Ben King (Prosecuters Office) Rudy Croe's (Minister of Injustice) and the inept police dept.
As for the witness Jossey Mansur states he seams to be crediable but in the same breath he implies that he would not employ this person which means he's an undersirable with a checkered past.
Not that we can trust anything Jossey Mansur says since his family's money came from money laudering, gun running and drug running and it is known that his family's news paper is controlled by these same money lauderers.So I guess we have to classify Jossey as just another puppet and his strings are pulled by the same currupt Aruban officials that have been bought and paid for by the thugs which control the goverment as well as 70% of there businesses on the Island of Aruba.

So, there we have it. Don't expect natalee's body to be found in the land fill. Don't be foolish to believe the Aruban goverment has any intention of bringing charges against Juran Van Der Sloot and the Kalpoes. Don't expect there to be justice in the Holoway case and don't ever believe for a minute that the fix wasn't set in place the day the police retracted the story of Jurans confession.

[NewYorkCityGirl]

She is ready to fight." …not functioning in a necessarily normal realm….

Posted by: GeorgeT. | August 3, 2005 11:45 AM

The altered states rendered by shock, pain, despair, grief, anger, are what transform everyday “normal” janes and joes into supermoms and superdads, soldiers, pioneers, ...

Under the circumstances, Beth is doing an extraordinary job.

Possessed with hyper-normal drive and determination, to certain people, Beth is scary.

Under the circumstances, let her do what she needs to do her way.

The rest will take care of itself.

[arcadia]

Back off of Beth... her child is missing and I think we all would do the same if something like this happened in our family.

[Big Pappy]

Nice post NYCGirl.

[Lynn]

not saying I wouldn't react the same way, just saying I hope I had someone close enough to me yet also far enough removed that would direct me towards professional help!

[NewYorkCityGirl]

If my child were missing I would turn this world upside down if I could.

[ChinbeardXIV]

Charlie Aprahamian...I'm afraid this idea that the Aruban police department is comprised of the Barney Fife crew is just way out of line. If I were a betting man, I'd bet that maybe only 1/100th of a percent of Americans had ever even dealt with the Aruban force. I think this image has been created (and carried along) by the media.

I also think that reports of corruption in the department (at least as a whole) are also premature...and again, a product of the media.

I agree though about the landfill...her body (alive or dead) most likely isn't there. We don't even know a crime has been committed...

[WillUSayI'mMad]

NYCGirl, please cut with the "Here's what I'd do if I were Beth..." It's so tiresome and disingenous. You don't know what you would do because you are not in her place.

Natalee was not a child, nor by this same definition was taken by a pedophile.

She was an adult, and is not considered alive at this point. She is not being held by anyone.

"Turning the world upside" is not warranted in this case, and BTW, Aruba was turned upside down and not a trace was found of her.

Stop with the false bravado.

[ChinbeardXIV]

Wow, WUSIM...I like your style--and your point about Aruba being turned upside down without a trace, well, that one was the bottom line.

[kathy]

As far as the Arubian police and the landfill. According to all reports this witness notified them 3 days after spotting something "unusual" being dumped there. He had to keep calling because no one called him back. The police "walked" (?) the landfill and determined nothing was there... I don't remember hearing about any "earth-moving" vehicles at a dumpsite in the early part of the investigation! I did hear the other night that the police said the trash dump would be saved until all other tips had been exhausted... the last thing to search.

How sad to see only Dave Holloway and 1 man from "equa-search" digging through the trash alone! Even when the earth-movers are there the police aren't!

[WillUSayI'mMad]

Kathy, it is heartwrenching to watch Dave wading through garbage.

I worry that he and Robin are going to go bankrupt if they don't get some assistance. I really do hope that there is a fund especially set up for him. The man has babies at home.

[gorgeous george]

http://www.law-forensic.com/cfr_abel_2.htm
ROBERT ABEL: You take a profile that you could fit to just about anybody. And you place it on someone, and no -- basically no more than that profile is what would got me named as that suspect.

LOCAL TV ANCHOR: Many people in League City call it the killing field.

BRIAN ROSS: (voice-over) It's been a big story all over Houston, which Abel says has nearly wrecked his business, scared away friends and led to numerous death threats.

(From tape of phone call)

TIM MILLER: And I've got friends right now that would kill you.

BRIAN ROSS: (voice-over) Abel recorded this chilling telephone call from the father of one of the dead girls.

(From tape of phone call)

TIM MILLER: I had a person that was going to come out there and take you out of the stables, and take you to Las Vegas and put you in a sand dune and beat your ass all the way up there, and then just put you in a sand dune.

I wanted to kill him.

BRIAN ROSS: (voice-over) This is the man who made the calls, Tim Miller, whose daughter Laura is one of the girls Abel is suspected of killing. Based largely on what the police are saying about the profile, Miller freely admits he's been trying to make Abel's life miserable.

TIM MILLER: I went out there with a gun.

BRIAN ROSS: (on camera) What did you say to him?

TIM MILLER: That I'm going to remind him every day of what he's done.

BRIAN ROSS: Do you think he would kill you?

ROBERT ABEL: Yes. Yes, I do. I think -- I think there is a really substantial risk. And that's one of the most aggravating things -- the police department alleges that I am a continuing suspect, causing people like him to believe that if they kill me, they are going to be killing a serial killer.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
BILL TEIGEN: What's your attitude about whether or not you passed this polygraph test or not?

ROBERT ABEL: I think I passed it.

BILL TEIGEN: You think you did?

ROBERT ABEL: Yeah.

BILL TEIGEN: My analysis agrees with you, and so does the computer's.

ROBERT ABEL: Oh, OK. I am very pleased to hear that.

BRIAN ROSS: (voice-over) The results of the 20/20 lie detector test were considered extremely significant at the FBI office in Houston, where agents working the case told us they considered the four-year-old profile on Abel to be of poor quality anyway and that they have now ruled out Abel as a suspect.

DON CLARKE: The profilers will tell you themselves, the experts will tell you that many people can fit the same profile. But the evidence should only lead to the one person that's actually guilty.

BRIAN ROSS: (voice-over) But the results didn't mean a thing to League City assistant police chief Pat Bittner, who says Abel may be innocent, but he's still a suspect.

PAT BITTNER: We still consider -- I still consider Robert Abel an innocent man.

BRIAN ROSS: (on camera) But a suspect?

PAT BITTNER: But a suspect.

BRIAN ROSS: Do you know the power of those words to call somebody a suspect in a serial killing?

PAT BITTNER: I can imagine, yes.

BRIAN ROSS: So you don't think he's owed an apology?

PAT BITTNER: No, not from me.

BRIAN ROSS: (voice-over) As for the father who was close to killing Robert Abel, Tim Miller, he says he now feels differently about the man.

TIM MILLER: I mean, he's went through hell. Let's face it, he has. And -- and if there is no connection, my God, he's a stronger man than me, you know, to put up with this over all these years.

[Skyboxx]

Chinbeard,

Let me get this correct, perfectly innocent people, (presume you mean Juran, Papa and company) with nothing to hide make up an incredible story IN CASE someone were to say, "Hey didn't I see NH with them/" They weren't the known last, but they made up this story about dropping her off and were going to let the security guards swing just because?????

Ever since mid June, when a source I have come to trust has mentioned the possibility of the land fill, and every since I have posted this, my web site gets attacked, along with negative emails. Luckily my firewall prevents any shenanigans. But I find it someone odd that only when I post the possibility of Daddy, Police chief and Juran being involved to the hilt and the landfill issue, all Hell breaks loose. The DJ also concocted a perfectly good alibi for the Kalpoes???? There is a strong possibility that Deepack called the DJ to cover for them on the HI story, in case Juran, father and Police cheif double crossed them. Police know this and that's why they released him. One Kalpoe brother was to be released. See my post back in June. Surprise to everyone when both Kalpoes were released. These are not coincidences, there is a fabric to this story. Keep the pressure on and search the land fill.

VDS are more powerful family than reported. This is big stain for them and they have led a misdirection campaign from the beginning. NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE concocts the security guard story out of the blue for no reason.

[Sly2SmoothieNJS]

Dan:
Your post gave me quite a chuckle I must say....I myself am feeling the same at this point in time. I beleive if recall correctly, I watched this whole story on Romper Room once...or was it Kaptain Kangaroo??? Hmmmmmmmmmm, I am starting to wonder if this whole thing is a joke...
I, for one, will stick to your other posting sections of this blogger, if they ever find out who actually did it, or where Natalee is, would you kindly let me know?
S2S

[MomOfTwo]

Usually a lurker, i feel compelled to add my 2 cents. Every day I try to put myself in Beth's shoes and i cannot even fathom the nightmare that she and her family are living. Yes, she's on overdrive, pushing and pushing for SOMEONE to find her daughter. She wants answers, she needs answers and yes, i feel that she is in between the stages of anger and denial. What few may realize is the possibility of the guilt she may be suffering. Perhaps the decision to let Natalee go on such an adventure was a difficult one, and she had reservations about the trip. Perhaps she gave in to the pressures of her child being "the only one not going". Any person who has raised teenagers can attest to how strong that pressure can be. Perhaps at this very moment she is blaming herself for not being stronger and saying NO. It would most definitely be a guilt that would be carried for the rest of one's life. Realizing that a simple "no" could have saved her daughter's life. A guilt of not being there for her daughter during that crucial last evening. I AM NOT BLAMING BETH AT ALL, but perhaps Beth is blaming Beth. It's going to take them years to overcome this tragedy (if ever), whether or not the mystery is solved. This family will never be the same. My heart goes out to them and i pray they find the answers they need so that they can attempt to move forward. I say let her move mountains if she feels she needs to. Let her grasp at every straw until she feels she has done everything humanly possible to find her child. Let her call on every individual willing to help her. She deserves at least this after the nightmare that she and her family have been dealt.

[shonane]

Mona - re your questions/theory. (Not reposting as it is very long.)

PVS and not getting the judgeship - According to one of the interviews with someone he had worked with, PVS didn't pass the required test. I had the impression that this similar to when in US an attorney graduates from law school and still has to take the law test, that sometimes they don't pass.They have to study and retake it. I know someone in US that failed the thing twice before finally passing. It happens a lot. There may be more to it than that, but this was the impression that I had.

RE your theory that PVS wanted or took Nalalie for himself - I personally would not go with that theory. He apparently is well thought of in Aruba. I think, if he did get involved at all, it was after something happened or even later maybe knowing something and protecting his son by not telling.The latter is why he was brought in by PI; they thought he might know something about what happened.

[shonane]

In the meantime, no full search of the entire VDS compound? Not sure of that, but Paul won't let them back in now and that is kind of telling in my opinion.

Posted by: Big Pappy | August 3, 2005
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It was searched several times by the PI. If I was PVS I wouldn't let those people not part of the official law enforcement of Aruba on my property unless ordered to. I would be afraid they might plant something to do a frame job. It happens you know.

That is how Thurman blew the OJ case, trying to plant/makeup evidence using blood from the crime scene, contaminated the whole investigation because they figured it out and caught him. When cops are crooked/dishonest and get caught, will mess up everything. If he had sat still, the evidence they did find may have led to a conviction.

[shonane]

I would hate to see peoples lives absolutely destroyed without a shred of evidence to justify that.

Posted by: WillUSayI'mMad
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I agree with your post that concluded with this statement. Unfortunately, the suspects' families lives have been destroy already.