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Posted by: ////CroSSBronXXPreSS//// | August 2, 2005 11:10 PM

CROSSBRONX

WHERE YOU BEEN AT?

It is really counter-productive to slander Beth or Dave. Who is to say what you might do as a parent. I would be unglued, unbalanced and ballistic knowing if my beautiful daughter was missing. They are both a class act and have different roles in the investigation. We might take a moment to praise their efforts, instead of denegrating their actions. We all make mistakes. I have total RESPECT for both Beth and Dave. It is a pity that Natalee has not been found. Name calling has never helped anyone. Give it a rest folks and look for the positive. I can't imagine the anguish, frustration, hopes up and down, that are dashed must be doing to them. May a kind and loving Heavenly Father comfort them during this time. I will be saddened should they have to just let it go, just as John Walsh and his wife have had to do with no body of the son Adam. Kindness should be extolled to them both.
Canada Goose

ashleigh Equusearch is all volunteer and they use donations to do their searchs. They need to have their name out as much as possible. Let's hope you don't need them anytime. All of us would be screaming and jumping up and down if it were one of our children unless you have a cold heart. If you don't have children maybe you have a pet (they are like children)and someone killed it and dumped it and you knew who did it but they just smiled at you and you couldn't do anything about it. I would give my life for my child and if he dissappeared I wouldn't take another easy breath until I found him. Imagine having to identify remains, not a body, and know that is your child and wonder what was done to them and if they called for you or God to help them. Then try top get that out of your mind. You don't just get over it and go on.

Canadian Goose

Amen

i think this was for the other post.

i responded to your post there!!

thank you again!!

lin

i cannot even imagine where NH's parent's get their stregnth from. it has to be from God himself

Did everyone see where the Texas Equuine Search team found the sixty-two year old woman's body in Houston five blocks from where she lived very quickly after her disappearance? They are a wonderful group and do a tremendous amount of good. Tim founded it and so his eccentricities are tolerated because of what he has been through.

Paul Reynolds, Beth's brother was on TV praising them tonight and saying how the family appreciated their assistance for they are the only ones searching the landfill. It needed searched with or without a witness and it is a shame they have no bulldozers to use.

I do not why the Van der Sloots need a PI, I thought the Aruba police were already working for them!

Eugene Bernat

Posted by: Eugene Bernat | August 2, 2005 09:41 PM

Eugene Bernat:

Good point :) LOL

Posted by: CancunGirl | August 2, 2005 09:43 PM

Not a good point... repeating BS theme.

Wake up Aruba for people like these are blacken you island.

Posted by: Judith Bruce | August 2, 2005 10:43 PM

Don't worry judith, the people of Aruba are awake and most of them with God. But a person like you, who apparently knows the bible real well, will know that Satan is also wide awake and not only in Aruba.
Don't ask the people of Aruba to let these boys talk. Ask God to work with them.

Anyone see Mark Fuhrman on Greta...He should be on this case and should have been hired by the Twittys. But even at this point there is probably very little he could do given that the Aruban authorities have screwed it up so bad. And why isn't anyone talking about the INCREDIBLY CORRUPT Van Der Strotten...the FRIEND of the Van Der Sloots...He should be arrested for such an obvious and successful attempt to corrupt the investigation from the start. He should be in jail himself. I believe there needs to be more focus on this guy. Its because of HIM this case wasnt handled properly....and now the world may never know what really happened. He's as guilty as the culprits.

Posted by: warrenb | August 2, 2005 11:01 PM

Mark Fuhrman? Doesn't Aruba have enough people planting all kinds of evidence all over the island?

The reason that bothers me is that they're acting like the Americans that the world thinks of when they hate Americans.

I'm really turned off by ES right now. I understand the rationale behind searching the dump, and God bless the volunteers, because that's a horrendous job. But, their attitude and lack of professionalism is outragious.

Posted by: ashleigh | August 2, 2005 11:51 PM

Well said!!

roy

you are on fire tonight!!


i have never seen you go go go like this!!

: )

Net searcher,
From the beginning of this case I've been thinking whar they could have done with the body. I couldn't come up with anything. Especially the fact that a decomposing body will smell.
Today a 'farfetched' idea crossed my mind.
What if they have the body in some kind of freezing container, till this whole thing blows over??
This idea came to me when I passed a supermarket and saw those big freezing containers (or whatever they call these things)next to the supermarket.

....whar=where

shoot... whar=NOT where BUT what...
I think I have to see my bed.

Hi mrs JH.
You are right. I am not a talkative person.
This case has me worried from the beginning.
I guess I am not on fire but just sleepy.

Greta did an interview with a police officer tonight who really didn't know anything - didn't know suspects (had seen once - no, no impressions cause never met), didn't know anything about case. Slow news night. Guess he was only one she could find to talk to.

Most revealing thing he said is he thinks Natalie is alive and off the island - said most folks in Aruba think the same thing. Said is easy to get off island, anyone can do it,and be on land like Venezuela in less than 1 hr on speed boat, and not much of problem without a passport, that illegals come and go.

Don't remember exactly what he said that made me think this , but had impression that he and many other folks from Aruba think she may have left willingly.

Interesting. Wonder why a lot of people that live there think she is alive, and off island, and left willingly?

There has got to be an undercurrent of the truth rumbling in the gossip around the island with possibly some truth in it.

I had given up on her being alive until I heard this. There are people that know what happened and for sure they have told others. Maybe she really is alive.

shonane

can you imagine what her mother must be going through thinking this.

i would be having a round the clock massive panic attack

i hope/wish you were right about NH and so many others

but then again are they better off like this?

goodnight

houston seems to believe the witness at this time and it took two months to find hacking, so i think that's where he is coming from. dave and tj (yes, i said tj) aren't so sure about the witness. i think the dump witness really does believe he saw something, but i'm afraid the dude is a brick shy of a load. they will work out what to do next, perhaps they will take a vote on it.

This is so gross for me to read..digging thru garbage for weeks ...how must it be for the Holloways and Twittys?

I had given up on her being alive until I heard this. There are people that know what happened and for sure they have told others. Maybe she really is alive.

Posted by: shonane | August 3, 2005 02:16 AM

on natalees new missing posters with theone million reward, theyu added the line at the bottom "may have been taken off island against her will"

Makes you wonder if the dump witness did see something and the blond hair on the tape belonged to someone else?

There are missing people all over the world. Some people could go missing for a long time without being missed.

My father was killed in the Middle East and he had obviously been dead a long time before we found out, based on his body when we got it.

NH's principal and friends to be on the Today show this morning

Beth leaving by private jet today to return to Aruba.

I read this on another board but it brings up a good point. It sounds like searching that landfill is a nightmare from hell with the heat and the stench. Yet there is Linda, NH's aunt and her Father out there every day enduring terrible conditions to find Dave's daughter. While the mother is called the hero, Hello, NH aunt and her Dad are actually out in terrible conditions to find NH yet everyone says, oh look how wonderful BT is trying to find her daughter. NO, look how wonderful Dave is and Linda are and all they are actually DOING to find NH.
Someones else calls it like it is they are the true unsung hero's.

THe NC report is OLD news

Watch Today Show to see NH's friends.

Beth departing for Aruba on private jet today

Dan, if you don't mind, could you please reveal a searchable source for the death of Robert Abel? All MSM sources have nothing and in fact the origin of the death appears to have started with yourself and the SM blog with no links to verifiable sources. Thanks in advance.

Shonana:
You are correct in assessing the undercurrents in Aruba. Very few Arubans feel Natalee is dead. Until I'm shown proof of death I don't believe she is dead. What I see is everyone making lots of money. Jossy, the networks, TES with an increase in donations, lots of renewed interest in Aruba as a tourist destination. Since TES is supposed to leave today I'd look for a new witness to pop up to further spur the search. All this while the average aruban sits home believing she's alive and well.

Breaking News:

Island sources tell me that Elvis was spotted yesterday searching for Natalee. Also, while searching a remote section of the island the remains of Jimmy Hoffa and Amelia Earhart were discovered next to what is believed to be Noah's Ark. More to follow....

Whatever your opinion, Dan has one salient point. The media is a circus only interested in one thing....the bottom line. Higher ratings mean more commercial revenue. During the Jackson trial, one bobble head was heard to say, "OK, guys, speculate away." The Fourth Estate is supposed to be reporting facts, not speculation. I have seen numerous news stories of which I have had more than passing knowledge, and the amount of disinformation is frightening. Now, if so much is wrong of the few stories I know, extrapolation precipitates the vast beguilement of the masses by the media. A sage once said, "Believe everything you read on the internet, unless repudiation has been broadcast on TV." (For those of you who are persiflagically challenged, that was satire). I submit, it is necesssary to believe only a minute fraction of what eminates from the vile and pernicious idiot box, and even less of what is posted on the internet. Speculation is not news, no matter how much plastic-surgery-enhanced gravitas the "nattering nabobs of negativism" (with thanks to Spiro Agnew) seem to have. This case has captivated a large segment of the population, and Fox News has grabbed the football and run. Look, it is perfectly normal to speculate here among like-minded individuals, but it is not acceptable when it is done by the media. Ratings equal revenue. Natalee Holloway is also a distraction on all the other crazy things occuring with our wonderful country. That statement is not to denigrate her or her family, OK, so no flaming is necessary. It is a tragedy, but Fox is spending more time speculating on this than on any other story. Just look at the line up from one of the posts above - Van Sustern, O'Reilly, Hannity & Colmes - that is more coverage than can be imagined. If I were Ms. Holloway-Twitty, I would be beating the drums as loudly as she, but the media..... Ratings and distraction..........

Why do some of you bloggers insist on reading into the Holloway Twitty families, garbage about which side is doing the best job, and making it into some kind of contest about which side loves Natalee the most? GARBAGE! Believe me, those posts that divide rather than help, I skim quickly and separate the weeds from the chaff.

We don't all have to like BHT. Yes, some of you are annoyed with her and Jug. Do you feel better now that you have slammed them? Is that helping find their daughter? Has it made anyone reading this feel better except you?

Humbug on you.

Sleuth, You are right on! Some people obviously have nothing better to do than come to this board to bash the family of a MISSING and most likely DEAD young girl. Why these people feel they are so high and mighty to judge this family, I have no idea. But I will say that you suck! Its so easy to be critical and type away on your computers, isn't it???

Try being BHT for a day, and lets see how your ignorant views change. Grow up people.

Sleuth,

Right on! Good post.

Here is my theory and my wish the PI would investigate the reason PVDS wasnt given the job he has been working towards all these many years....why didnt he get the judgeship? What do the Dutch know that precluded him from becoming a judge? Joran and Paulus are at the Holiday INN Casino together on Natalees last day. Paulus picks her out for HIMSELF and Joran agrees she is an easy target....made all the easier with a roofie. Paulus returns home(an empty home...his wife is in another country. A sad home...he didnt get the job and his ego is near the floor) Joran enlists the help of his buddies to help out his old pops get a piece of ass(Pops has seen how very easy it is for Joran) They slip her the drug as they are getting ready to leave the club...once she is in the car...they make haste to the Vander Sloot home. This is the crime scene ...and most likely has never been mentioned in all the 22 different stories. Paulus convinces the boys especially Joran to take the heat for short time because as Paulus has promised them "no body no crime" and it would be easier to deflect the investigation away from him and on the shoulders of a minor. Thus when Paulus agrees to waive his right not to testify against his son...he is being honest ..he knows his son is not the killer...because he is. Hope the Twitty's and the Holloways have someone in Holland that can find the reason Paulus didnt get the judgeship. Not that it would make a bit of difference now...

Mona,

As sad as it is to say, I wouldn't doubt if your theory could be right. I have been extremely suspicious of PaPa VDS since the beginning, and his sweating buckets while talking on tv didn't help. I think he is alot more involved than anyone is thinking he is. They need to talk to him more, and also bring back the cowering kalpoes and let the FBI work some magic on them. I personally think they need to put them all together in a room again, and let the games begin. I am sure info will come out then.

Agreed Dan, Shepard Smith was completely disgusting lastnight in his little praise at the end of the show about the over the top ratings with O'Reilly #1, Greta #2, and H&C as #3. Disgusting to me it was, since the majority of it has to do with this case. I should expect no better, Shep is the sleaziest on fox in my opinion. No surprise why his show is not in the top three.

The Dutch Behavioral Detectives could have a field day with Paulus!!!

I'm with Dan on this one...and this whole Fox-led investigation is starting to reek of Capone's safe (thank you Geraldo Rivera!)...

Here is my theory and my wish the PI would investigate the reason PVDS wasnt given the job he has been working towards all these many years....why didnt he get the judgeship? What do the Dutch know that precluded him from becoming a judge? Posted by: mona | August 3, 2005 08:34 AM

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Maybe he failed the exam on his first try, it's not uncommon. Over Half of the Lawyers in the USA fail their first Bar Exam. It takes some 3 or 4 times to finally pass it.
Maybe in Holland you have to pass an exam in order to be a judge to prove qualification. Not like in the USA where you run for office in an election, MANY times with no judicial experience or just get appointed by friends/party as political favor.

LOL. Yeah, Pa VDS needs some serious help. Aiding and abetting is considered a crime in ARuba too, right?? You never know over there. They seem pretty leniant with their laws. The only thing I am glad about is that Urines bday is Sat, and they said on tv once he turns 18, freako Pa VDS isn't allowed to visit him every day, which he has been doing. He will only be allowed like one visit a week, like everyone else. Maybe that will help him to break down a bit.

Are the Eccusearch guys partying at Hooters, falling down drunk and breaking hips with their OWN pocket money?
Or do the donation $$ that people think they are giving for actual search expenses go towards their drinking/eating per diem and "decompression" activities while on the island.
Dan has reported that TES guys have bitched about their lunches not being exactly on time, probably don't like what they are getting either - and it is FREE donated meals by Aruban establishments.

Folks, lets not forget the NH is not here. Missing, dead, kidnapped by Aliens, she is not here. The last three jokers to see her were Urine, Papa VDS and one Kalpoe brother. I honestly believe one Kalpoe was not there. Can't explain it at this time. Papa and Anita are very powerful and have used the Police Cheif to stymie this investigation to get son off. They lied and were going to let the two security guards swing. If Aliens or kidnapping were involved, they wouldn't have gone to the trouble of letting the guards swing for this. So that leaves the theory that NH is no longer with us. Yes the media has created a circus out of this. That's their job. They get paid by sponsers ya di ya di ya. Let's focus on finding the remains of NH. She is in the landfill. They need to find her so family can go back and have some sort of closure. Papa VDS intends to string this out and Urine will be the next Ted Kennedy. He will have gotten away with the demise of another person. NH will be Aruba's Mary Jo Kopechne. It happened here, it will happen there.

MrsJimiHendrix,

I'm sending you a PM in 5 min.

Please check your mailbox.

- Sol

I also believe that Papa VDS had everything to do with this. Natalee was at there home when this all transpired I think they all sexually abused her and perhaps she died on her own or they helped her along. Joran might not even know where his father buried her. Him telling on Deepak leads me to believe that they all took turns. Papa VDS is saying no body no case perhaps he knows that the body will never be found.

Skyboxx, what's your sign, Feces? C'mon, why refer to this jail detainee (possible suspect for something) as "Urine" when his name is actually Joran? It takes away from the credibility of what you say...

You say these three were the last to see Miss Holloway alive...but...in actuality, they were the last three KNOWN to see her alive. If she is dead and they did not do it (a strong possibility), then the person who killed her would be the last one to see her alive...comprendez-vous?

How do you know (for sure) she's in the landfill? Did YOU kill her and put her there??? Hmmmmmm???

I'm not trying to be a turd...I'm only out to keep the facts as facts and point out the opinions to keep them separate.

Thank you...

I do agree and not in a "cashing" way that is unfair to call beth a "hero" but ignore that dave holloway is out there in landfills looking for his child himself - while beth has done alot handing out flyers etc and I do not discount that or her pain, her and Jug are giving the whole thing a "pr" feel to me while dave is quietly out there doing actual physical searching wihtout cameras following his every move and wihtout the aide of private jets, free hotel and rental car as beth and Jug are receiving - i do nto knwo if it is true dave gets no help from the funds in natalees trust but if so that is quite sad. I htinkt he media could focus and applaud his efforts and not just focus on beth beth beth every waking minute of every day just because she is well spoken on tv - I am starting to get a bit tired of seeing Jug comment all the time but never see him out looking as Dave is - I od not disagree with using the media to keep natalees story out there but I do believe it is getting a bit too much and betha nd Jug are starting to be perceived as media hogs by some and that is why their every move is being judged...............nobody flip out on me now it is just a opinion :)

ooops I meant bashing not cashing sorry

Mark my words Papa Sloot had sex with Natalee that is why the story has gone from Joran dropping her off to Joran having sex with her. It is Daddys DNA not Jorans. Also she probably has blunt force trauma to the head, that is why the fell and hit her head stuff is floating around. And I truly believe Robert Werner the Headmaster of ISA is David. David left the den alone. Was David a Jew? Yes I believe he was.

There is truth in the Holiday in story.

I guess Paulus Plum killed her with a lead pipe in his library, huh?

As much as we all have this case sorted out in our minds, there is NO evidence from which to pull as of yet...so...we might as well be playing Clue.

Really guys check out Werner. He may have alot more to do with this than you think. The boy does not tell because he does not know. He is protecting his Father who is one SICK PUPPY!!!

Really guys check out Werner. He may have alot more to do with this than you think. The boy does not tell because he does not know. He is protecting his Father who is one SICK PUPPY!!!

Calista, I agree that Dave is an amazing man. When he sat at the prison holding Paul van der Sloot's hand, I was really impressed. The thing is that he wouldn't have confronted Joran with shrieking, "Where's my daughter, Give me my daughter." He would have looked into his face and told him how he's a forgiving man, and if it was an accident, he will understand...he just wants to know what happened to his daughter. He brought Joran "The Purpose Driven Live" and a Bible. I'll tell you, Dave Holloway has left a profound effect on me. He is the walking embodiment of Christian faith in motion.

I'm tired of Jug, too. He is the stepfather, and while he obviously is a great stepfather, and adores Beth, he isn't charismatic, and most people are really, really not interested in his anger. I think many people are getting weary with hearing the same words day in and day out, day after day from both Beth and Jug. This isn't to criticize them, but, they are stuck on the same points, and regurgitate them endlessly.

Greta would keep her ratings if she now focused on Dave, not Beth and Jug. I think that the entire H/T family is incredible for how they've courageously achieved this amount of interest and activism in Aruba.

There's something about Dave Holloway that is extra special for me, too. If it turns out that Beth and Jug have made it all about their grief, their needs, and they didn't provide expenses for Dave, while they benefitted from the fund we've all donated to, it's not that I would be sorry I donated, but, I'll be disappointed that this wasn't offered to Dave and Robin for their use, as well.

But, bitterness in divorce is nothing unusual, and I think we can see that Beth, Dave and Jug aren't on the best terms. Otherwise, they'd appear together, not on split screen. I think Jug is responsible for whatever permanent schism exists. For some reason, he just seems like the type to lay down the law, and it's his way or the highway. That doesn't make him a bad person, but, this is the quality that may alienate Dave, and the quality which most people are tired of seeing on television all the time.

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