Beth On Fox - Developing

For my non-cable readers:

Beth claims Joran had an open line of credit at some casinos ... Developing ...

I may update inside this post, or post another later.

Here is a link to some additional home video that aired tonight. When at Ian's, look for the larger pond image and other pics, if you haven't seen them, yet. He's hosting some large files for me and I appreciate it.

Comments

[Elf]

Again to Westcoast - Its sounds as if you have something personally against Beth - She is "exploiting" her daughter (as you call it) to keep the case in the spotlight. If she doesn't keep Natalee front and center in the news no one will keep looking for her and no one in authority will keep pushing to solve this case.

Ever hear of out of sight out of mind? Well the media will have to go on to something new unless someone can keep feeding it enough new things in this case to keep its interested in Natalee.

Frankly you can't possibly have any idea what you would do to keep your child’s case alive in the press unless you have ever had to be where Beth is now. Shame on you -

[westcoast]

Westcoast - I have no trouble understanding what she says and its obvious she isn't drunk. I can't understand why you think she is. Also she looks younger so I think it was probably taken a while ago.

Joran had a line of credit at a casino at his age
- Kids coming in and going out at all hours at Joran's house and no one seeming to know anything about it - a teen who openly boasted online at multiple websites about sexual activity and again no parent having a clue - While I don't find any of it shocking, it certainly looks like no one was putting much effort into parenting in his family. It appears Daddy VS was busy being minor league important and Mama was just oblivious.

However this turns out his parents should be investigated for child neglect.

Posted by: Elf | August 2, 2005 01:30 AM

You want to talk about child neglect? I feel there is something very strong going on here with regards to Natalee's family. Hell, her own parents can't get together for an interview with the media from the get go(nancy stupid grace saying)

Now lets talk about neglect shall we? I feel there is huge neglect from both of these families(holloways and twittys) Perhaps this is where they f'd up with Natalee? Perhaps this is why she needed to f'n vent at Carlos @ Charlies? Her parents could never get together on anything, anything! This is a huge burden for any kid at that age. And she made a bad choice, this is obviously what happened, the more i read this case. She didn't deserve it, BUTTTTTTT she was in a vulnerable enough state from her so called PERFECT parents(not) that she went off the realistical end of smart vs. stupid and got herself into trouble that she never realized could happen under the influence.

So who are the culprits to her demise? Do we really know?

And as far as Joran having a tab at the local casino, prove it to me that it was anything other than that? If he frequented the place enough, why wouldn't he have that? My husband and I go to the pub once and awhile and we run a tab. This doesn't prove jackshit in my opinion.

[007Scarlett]

West Coast,

I agree wholeheartedly. I have supported this family intensely, but I am beginning to see character traits in the Twittys that bother me. First of all, I still don't believe that any of those kids should have gone on that trip. That was a poor choice of entertainment for that age group, and poor parenting, period. Second, I am greatly disturbed by the supposed shopping trips (for a new swimsuit?)that Beth made while she was "searching" for her daughter. I cannot fathom the necessity for that behavior.
Third, I am tired of hearing Jug say basically nothing night after night. He acts like a pretentious, arrogant, new-money (or money-having wannabe) "good ol' boy". Doesn't he have a JOB in Birmingham to go to? I would much rather hear and see Natalee's REAL father, since I know he has actually searched for her, and has
done something while he was down there besides hire jackasses like Equusearch and T.J. Ward to do the dirty work while he mugs for Nancy Grace, as Jug Twitty has done. What does Beth see in Jug? I know this family must have had the very good intention of keeping this in the public eye in whatever way possible, but they have been a victim of their own campaign of TMI. I know this sounds much more offensive than I intended. My heart goes out to the family, and I grieve for what Natalee must have endured, or may still be enduring. I hope that while Beth is home, she is regrouping and returning to the image that she initally tried so hard to convey: one of quiet dignity and devotion to her daughter.

[Merlin]

ARUBAN MAFIA SOLD NATALEE TO SEX SLAVE TRADERS

Posted By: Rayelan
Date: Wednesday, 22 June 2005, 12:32 a.m.

Note From Rayelan:

This arrived in an email. I have no idea who sent it. I am posting it because it has "the ring of truth"!

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Aruba is controlled by the sicilian mafia -- all judges are bought -- the judge in training - the boy's father, is part of the Cuntrera family - the sicilian mafia top dogs -- they control all of aruba - they control judges, police - and all intelligence -

The Cuntrera-Caruana Mafia-clan that control Aruba have been called the 'Rothschilds of the Mafia' or 'the bankers of Cosa Nostra'.

You can read more about them on this page:
http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm

Aruba was supposed to go independent in the mid 90s, but it was held up by the CIA. The CIA didn't want give them independence because the Aruban mafia wouldn't play by the rules... ANY rules... Aruba would have become another haiti -- a rich haiti! A haiti that could buy anyone and control anything!

Natalee was sold - The kids probably got her to drink some stuff -- maybe even the date rape stuff. She was probably raped by all three -- the kids realized when she woke up they would be in trouble so they contacted their friend... the DJ. The DJ is the connection to the mafia -- the kids went to him to get rid of her -- He probably made money selling her. I will bet the boat the DJ works on is a Cuntrera nightclub.

Natalee's not on Aruba - She was probably taken to Venezuela - probably sold into sexual slavery there. Or sold to the saudis. She is exactly the kind the Saudis like... blonde, tall, slim and beautiful. If they ever find her she won't be herself.

The texas ranger unit that has been sent to Aruba is an intel operation -- Nothing will come of any of this if they continue to think they way they are thinking now. You can't dig up intel and come up with anything this time.

The people who run Aruba are some of the baddest people in the world. If anyone tries to expose them, they will come and kill your whole family... maybe even your whole town! It's NOT worth it... they are more powerful than God -- In fact they ARE God... meaning they are working with the vatican -

They are a power unto themselves... they are NOT part of the NWO. They have aligned, over the years, with Faction Two. Remember "Lucky" Luciano. The Sicilian Mafia understands the new world order... it's the real Jewish Mafia. The Aruban mafia is so powerful that even the NWO leaves them alone! They make the Muslim terrorists look like Keystone Cops.

The only way Natalee will ever be returned is if someone is sacrificed, and I don't mean in the Santarian way like that decapitated body they found in the graveyard. Someone has to take the fall and it will probably be the DJ. He's nobody. The other kids are connected to families that have a modicum of power already and therefore can be used in the future.

If the DJ agrees to take the fall, his family will be taken care of and eventually he will be "disappeared" and one day "reappeared" with a new face and new identity. At least this is what he will be promised.

The way I see it, the intel unit, disguised as Texas Rangers COULD broker the deal if they wake up and realize what they're dealing with. Maybe they won't get their REAL orders til they get there! Right now their orders are to go in and gather intel. This is a joke. Our government knows exactly what's happened. They just don't know where Natalee has been taken.

If she was taken to Costa Rica she could be found because the CIA has assets there and in most other South American countries. The only country where the CIA assets have fled or been killed is Venezuela. If Natalee was sold into one of the Venezuelan sex houses, then no one can find her... except the same people who sold her... the Aruban mafia.

If the heat gets hot enough on Aruba. If the Mafia connection starts popping up in the MSM, that will be bad for business. The US is powerful enough to broker a deal to get Natalee back. What does the Aruban mafia want that President Bush can give them? Since no one will ever know that any kind of deal has ever taken place, it doesn't matter what they want. The hero will be some Aruban detective that traces Natalee to the nightclub ship and to "sex slave traders". No one will ever know the Mafia participation in her sale AND in her recovery!

If she was taken to Saudi Arabia, it will be tricky to get her back, but it could be done. All that would be needed is something to trade something that the Saudis want. If I had my way, I'd give the Saudis whatever they wanted in trade for Natalee, and follow it up with a Nuke! The Saudis are NOT our friends. All Muslim terrorism throughout the world originates from Saudi Arabia. They are the puppets of the City of London. They were created by the City of London!

[westcoast]

I've read my comments, and I apologize, I should have never used the f word. Sorry to anyone that I may have offended.

[nursemind]

I agree with westcoast......enough of the home videos of Natalee. Beth needs to get a grip on what's public material and what should be kept as their private family memories. As for Joran having a running tab at the casino....it may show poor judment on his parent's part but it doesn't make him an automatic murderer. Think of all the U.S. 17 year olds who have a running tab on mommy and daddy's credit cards. Maybe Natalee did.

[westcoast]

Scarlett,

Beth Twitty, in my opinion should stop this throwing her daughter to the world through private memories. What is she actually trying to accomplish here? My god, if that were my daughter, the last damn thing on earth I would do is put her face to this extent in the forefront of the media. Jesus H Christ, what the hell is she trying to prove?

I'd be devistated enough to hold her memory close to my heart and not spread it to the world. I would put my daughters thoughts into place...and ask myself "would my daughter want her face, video plastered allover the world?" That is what i would ask myself as to the memory of my daughter.

I'm just saying that this new, and then new again footage, video, photographs are getting out of hand for a parent to continually give this to the media.

I am with Dave Holloway, I would be there for all of this as Beth is too, but this continual crap of exploiting her when she is most likely dead is to me disrespectful of your own child.

[007Scarlett]

5'4 is not tall...BUT ...Has anyone been following this lead? Does anyone remember what one of the chaperones said the day they returned to Alabama, about her husband having to stay in Aruba because one of the kids was missing, and possibly in Venezuela? Is that what the state rep from Alabama referring to when he said the FBI was called in due to "disturbing circumstances that the family was aware of?" If so, why all of the searching in Aruba, and not elsewhere?

[calista]

West Coast,

I agree wholeheartedly. I have supported this family intensely, but I am beginning to see character traits in the Twittys that bother me. First of all, I still don't believe that any of those kids should have gone on that trip. That was a poor choice of entertainment for that age group, and poor parenting, period. Second, I am greatly disturbed by the supposed shopping trips (for a new swimsuit?)that Beth made while she was "searching" for her daughter. I cannot fathom the necessity for that behavior.
Third, I am tired of hearing Jug say basically nothing night after night. He acts like a pretentious, arrogant, new-money (or money-having wannabe) "good ol' boy". Doesn't he have a JOB in Birmingham to go to? I would much rather hear and see Natalee's REAL father, since I know he has actually searched for her, and has
done something while he was down there besides hire jackasses like Equusearch and T.J. Ward to do the dirty work while he mugs for Nancy Grace, as Jug Twitty has done. What does Beth see in Jug? I know this family must have had the very good intention of keeping this in the public eye in whatever way possible, but they have been a victim of their own campaign of TMI. I know this sounds much more offensive than I intended. My heart goes out to the family, and I grieve for what Natalee must have endured, or may still be enduring. I hope that while Beth is home, she is regrouping and returning to the image that she initally tried so hard to convey: one of quiet dignity and devotion to her daughter.

Posted by: 007Scarlett | August 2, 2005 01:54 AM

I tried to convey some of the same feelings on this blog - not "bashing" beth or anyone or insulting them and definitely not natalee either but i have been seeing many htings that bother me and do not feel right at least to me - the whole thing has been and is feeling like a pr event instead of a serious search. Again I was not trying to bash anyone or put blame anywhere but just because I questioned some htings people flew off the handle at me - one guy wrotea post so vulgar I was shocked. He said he hopes I go to hell and see everyone who killed natalee there and that she would spit in my face he cursed at me he said he knew where I lived and that I had a daughter and he hoped she didn't go missing and that he hoped to cross my path since he lived near me so he could spit in my face - that post alone made me not want to to say anything on here again

[007Scarlett]

Calista, I am sorry for your experience. I personally don't care what anyone says about my comments. To anyone who wants to banish me to Hell, I say, "the truth only hurts when it ought to. " I truly feel for the Twittys, (and most especially Natalee) but I can see a lot of value in handling the situation differently, especially when there are so many avenues to her recovery that have apparently not been pursued. I am a mother, too, so I don't take my exception to the Twittys' behavior lightly. Things are not as they seem.

[nursemind]

Dave Holloway is a sweet, caring man and my heart breaks for him. Natalee was blessed to have him for her father. You can tell he truly loves her and is doing all he can to find the truth. Jug is too arrogant, angry and mean spirited. It's rubbing off on Beth.

[calista]

Calista, I am sorry for your experience. I personally don't care what anyone says about my comments. To anyone who wants to banish me to Hell, I say, "the truth only hurts when it ought to. " I truly feel for the Twittys, (and most especially Natalee) but I can see a lot of value in handling the situation differently, especially when there are so many avenues to her recovery that have apparently not been pursued. I am a mother, too, so I don't take my exception to the Twittys' behavior lightly. Things are not as they seem.

Posted by: 007Scarlett | August 2, 2005 02:21 AM

I odn't know all I knwo is I have a bad feeling now about it - I understand wanting to keep the case in the news and alive and aruba really messed it up the way they handled it it's just that beth seemed almost "too together" she gives interview after interview as does jug with no real emotion and it is weird and I heard I od not know if it is true that she is working with a p.r. firm on this and has been since the start - I odn't understand that - I don't think beth urt her daughter but as you say htings are not as they seem - all the times they go on tv saying "we have "shocking" info but they always dodge the questions on what it is etc.........at first I htought ok they don't want to hurt the investigation but now with this p.i. guy they hired who jug said was a friend of his blabbing on every talk show everywhere I odn't get it?

[westcoast]

You know what? This case isn't going to be solved. Joran is walking free, is he innocent? I don't really know, I'm 80-20 on that. He didn't kill her, I know that much. I have 2 boys myself, and no darn way he killed her. Did the Kalpoe brothers kill her, again, no I don't think so. Did they all have something to do with her disappearance, yes, i do beleive so but only to a certain point. What that point is I don't know. I am still beleiving that something happened at a rave party or such, something where they took her too, possibly drugs involved and I think...this is only speculation but, they left her with people that did harm to her or sold her/got rid of her.

As much as I've read, nothing is going to come out of this because I believe an underground situation happened.

And as far as her still being alive. I don't beleive she is. With the amount of media coverage, worldwide, internationally...no way jose. They would have gotton rid of her by now. Too much media attention.

My thoughts are the poor girl is out to sea, in the deep waters off Aruba.

[007Scarlett]

Westcoast,

I agree that the pics are a bit much. They should have been released earlier, if at all. I
wonder every time I blog...would Natalee be embarrassed by all of this? Is all of this speculation an embarrassment to her family? I would be mortified if someone was discussing my family's personal life in such great detail. Yet, they have allowed the public access to those details, and now it's just overkill. Sometimes I feel as if we are somehow being disrespectful of Natalee. I wish we could all be concerned, and prayerful, without the gory details. Better yet, I wish we had other things to discuss, like politics and religion, and an 18 year old child was at home in Mt. Brook where she belonged.

[calista]

I odn't want to be ajerk I don't know what to think anymore but I remember when laci peterson was missing her mother was very involved in her search and getting it on the news but in a dignified way - she rarely gave interviews and when she did speak to the press she was always overcome with emotion but I know I can't judge the way beth acts - it is just something does not sit right with me

[calista]

I just do not feel you should want the media all over your childs case but yet manipulate what you will and will not answer - you invited the cameras in but any time they get asked a tough question they stutter and dodge it

[calista]

I heard on here again don't know if it is fact thet beth and jug would not allow any of the donated money to go to dave holloway for his expenses traveling to aruba etc whenn he is there searching fo rnatalee but beth and jug got free hotel, plane, rental car everything plus all the donated money pouring in

[westcoast]

I odn't want to be ajerk I don't know what to think anymore but I remember when laci peterson was missing her mother was very involved in her search and getting it on the news but in a dignified way - she rarely gave interviews and when she did speak to the press she was always overcome with emotion but I know I can't judge the way beth acts - it is just something does not sit right with me

Posted by: calista | August

from one smart mother to another, I felt the same way with what you are saying with Laci's mother vs. Beth twitty.

Can I say tho, we are talking about a southern aristocrat mother vs. a california mother?

Just my notice on the 2 mothers.

[calista]

from one smart mother to another, I felt the same way with what you are saying with Laci's mother vs. Beth twitty.

Can I say tho, we are talking about a southern aristocrat mother vs. a california mother?

Just my notice on the 2 mothers.

Posted by: westcoast | August 2, 2005 02:39 AM

yes.......sharon rocha was so dignified and fr her it was her own son in law that she loved and trusted and she never said one bad word in public nevershe kept the focus on laci and laci only........I just do not know how to explain it better but that in my heart I feel something is wrong with it and Jug especially gives me that feeling

[calista]

I just don't get it dave holloway is out there standing in water with searchers looking in landfills just searching for natalee and I never see beth or jug do that I only see them on fox EVERY DAY - granted beth went everywhere handing out posters etc but I don't know it all is too strange

[westcoast]

Personally I am more concerned that (in that photo he posted) Dan misrepresented the house of the guy that ownes the monkey as the VDS house
than I am about Joran loosing his K-Swiss shoes or BHT thinking she needs to stay in Aruba to keep the Fox news focus on the fact that her daugher is missing.

Posted by: Jessie | August 2, 2005 02

Good point, once again, what the heck does a missing freaking running shoe have to do with anything. Is this all that the media can drudge up? If I had too look at all my boys missing shoes, I guess I might have a case against them. ONE shoe? What means more than anything is...can anyone acknowledge if Joran was in fact wearing these running shoes that night?

OMG! Let the investigative team do their work, along with the FBI.

[calista]

it just gets tiring hearing over and over that they have "evidence" that they knwo things that would shock us all and yet they will not reveal it what can it hurt at this point? I mean their own p.i. can't seem to shut up and they seem to be ok with that but yet they avoid certain questioins like the plague and somehting is wrong witht he stories of her friends from the trip too just not right....I just think it is wriong to say give me all this airtime follow me around aruba but I will direct what I will an will not answer

[westcoast]

I just don't get it dave holloway is out there standing in water with searchers looking in landfills just searching for natalee and I never see beth or jug do that I only see them on fox EVERY DAY - granted beth went everywhere handing out posters etc but I don't know it all is too strange

Posted by: calista | August 2, 2005 02:43 AM

Jug is a lazy azzhole in my books, he and beth are working the media while Dave is out looking for his daughter.

What/why is this spotlight that these 2 are so enjoying? I can't believe it. Are they true parents? Why did Beth take this long to get home to her son? Only to spend 2 freakin' days or less with him? Do they feel like celebrity's?

I'm sorry, I'm disgusted with these 2 behaviour's

[calista]

it just feels like it isn't about natalee anymore and instead si the beth and jug show

[calista]

I ogt completely flamed for saying last week that the people who have and who continue to donate all this money to this search and to help beth stay in aruba which I odn't get because they got EVERYTHING for free - rental car hotel everything even their plane tickets...that they deserve some truthful answers instead of these "teases" about what beth and jug know but will not reveal........ALOT of people have gotten involved in trying to find natalee and it is odd we do nto see her own parents or beth and jug out there looking too

[westcoast]

it just feels like it isn't about natalee anymore and instead si the beth and jug show

Posted by: calista | August 2, 2005 02:56 AM

Do you realize you just summed it up in a nut shell calista?

It never was about natalee, this is where I beleive these 2 went wrong.

Just my opinion, but I feel strongly about it.

[calista]

Do you realize you just summed it up in a nut shell calista?

It never was about natalee, this is where I beleive these 2 went wrong.

Just my opinion, but I feel strongly about it.

Posted by: westcoast | August 2, 2005 03:01 AM

I don't know what to believe anymore but it almost seems like natalee was a "show" child, perfect in grades beautiful etc something beth could show off and say look what I have and what a good job I did now it is always look what I am doing staying in aruba look at the connections we have senators etc.....jug doesn't even act like anyhting is wrong maybe that is hteir nature I odn't know I will probably get ripped to pieces for saying this anyway but oh well

[westcoast]

Ok, now I'm really gonna get banned or get flamed, one way or another, don't matter to me.

How much money does anyone think is being brought to this search? HUGE, EXTREME'S amounts of money are being brought to Beth Holloway. LOL. I guess she isn't going to give any of it to her X Dave Holloway in his search for his daughter.

My guess is this...the donation line is bringing in thousands and thousands of dollars, so much so, that Beth herself, doesn't know what to do with all of the money. Hire private detectives, bring in ES(who is making a huge amount of dollars themselves)

My guess is this, the twittys don't know what to do with all of the money that is coming into them. Nothing more than to stay in Aruba, at least they better do that, right?

Huge bucks in this case.

Beth is keeping a journal, she is writing a book and is going to become a very rich woman after all of this.

Mark my words!

[FA-Medic]

Who cares how they act. They lost a child in a poossible violent crime. If you have never had this happen to you then you need to think about what you write. What is being written about them in some of the previous post is awful.

[ashleigh]

I believe that Greta compelled Beth to share those videos, because to her, it's all about getting scoops on other stations. Don't be mad at Beth. She's out of her head with grief and subject to desperately clinging to the media with hopes that it will lead to her daughter's whereabouts, or knowledge of her destiny.

Beth didn't pull a stunt like that runaway bride,who pulled off a fake abduction, then cashed in. If Beth could go back to her normal life, annonymous, like we all are, I have no doubt that this would suit her. Maybe she will write a book. I hope she does. I will buy it and read her words.

While my favorite person in this mix is definitely Dave, I admire Jug. The only people who I have any fault with are the media who are toying with this family for their infotainment, and the vultures like the psychics, detectives, and possibly Tim Miller, exploiting this tragedy for their own glory.

I guarentee everyone that it was Greta who prompted Beth to use the videos of Natalee. My heart goes out to Beth, Jug, Dave, Robin, and the aunts and uncles who have done so much on behalf of Natalee.

Pretty soon, this case will grow ice cold, and it's possible that in another month, Joran may get out of prison, and disappear into Europe with his family. Deepak, Satish and Paul vdS will return to normal activities, and their lives, while Beth and Dave may never see their daughter again, or know of her fate. The TV cameras will pull away from Aruba, and maybe with the exception of a few updates in the next year, Greta will desert Beth, leaving her to question herself on many things. That woman will have years to punish herself with questions, even wondering if letting Greta use her was such a great idea.

If Natalee was originally kidnapped, the notoriety of the case probably cost her life. It may have not been the level of tragedy if the media had left this family alone. Blame them, not the Holloways and Twittys.

[Mulder]

Everybody is looking for someone who saw something. What about someone who saw nothing? They say the beach where Joran claimed to have gone is busy at that time of night.

Q: Did Joran say he saw other people that night?

Q: Did the police/fbi find anyone who was in the area that night? Anyone who could confirm he WASN'T there ...

[westcoast]

I don't know what to believe anymore but it almost seems like natalee was a "show" child, perfect in grades beautiful etc something beth could show off and say look what I have and what a good job I did now it is always look what I am doing staying in aruba look at the connections we have senators etc.....jug doesn't even act like anyhting is wrong maybe that is hteir nature I odn't know I will probably get ripped to pieces for saying this anyway but oh well

Posted by: calista | August 2, 2005 03:05 AM

This is exactly the exploitation that she is persuing. Good point calista.

And I still hold the fact that, if you wanted to exploit your daughter to this degree, why? Why do you feel the need to constantly put your daughter in the limelight over the unfortunate circumstances. Are you still trying to prove to the world that she is GREAT? But through your own insecurity? Beth..smarten up! get a life, stop judging your children and trying to control their every aspect of life.

[PinkCobrazz]

Amen!!

I find Beth and Jug to be two very overbearing
people.

Who does the son live with?? Beth and jug??
or Dave Holloway?? This child has just lost
a sister. Who is helping the son? It certainly
is not Beth or Jug.

[westcoast]

to aisleigh,

Don't cover for these people with the media. Beth willingly and knowinly has given out these pictures, video images. This is her memories of Natalee. She gave them out. Why? Don't blame Greta anymore. Is Beth stupid? I don't think so. She is getting something from this in the end.
What is very sympatheic is the fact that Beth has after 2 months not clued into the media fact! She is now on her own mission, shall I say...hmmmm....making some money whether her daughter is returned or not!!!!!

[Mulder]

Westcoast,

Do you really believe BHT is trying to EXPLOIT her missing daughter? Another theory may be that she knows that once the media drops this story, there will be zero pressure on Aruban authorities to solve the case. Just in case you aren't following, that means, she will never see her daughter again. Never. So if more press = better chance of finding daughter, doesn't it seem pretty obvious what her motives would be for appearing on interviews, tv, etc ...?

Westcoast - I'll give you a hint ... it's not to make money.

Let me know if you are still confused.

[Mulder]

Anyone have thoughts on this?

Everybody is thinking about witnesses who saw something. What about someone who saw nothing? They say the beach where Joran claimed to have gone is busy at that time of night.

Q: Did Joran say he saw other people that night?

Q: Did the police/fbi find anyone who was in the area that night? Anyone who could confirm he WASN'T there ...

[PinkCobrazz]

When Beth or Jug Twitty are on Fox..I just
walk out of the room. And I just wanna scream..
every time Beth says "I just really don't know
Greta" as she shakes her head. That is the
extent of Beth's interviews!! Thats all
she ever says.

I bet Dave Holloway doesn't like seeing her
on TV either..probably brings back to
many bad memories of living with the woman.

Dave Holloway appears to be such a humble
man..and the Twitty's come across like
they are entitled!!

[westcoast]

Westcoast,

Do you really believe BHT is trying to EXPLOIT her missing daughter? Another theory may be that she knows that once the media drops this story, there will be zero pressure on Aruban authorities to solve the case. Just in case you aren't following, that means, she will never see her daughter again. Never. So if more press = better chance of finding daughter, doesn't it seem pretty obvious what her motives would be for appearing on interviews, tv, etc ...?

Westcoast - I'll give you a hint ... it's not to make money.

Let me know if you are still confused.

Posted by: Mulder | August 2, 2005 03:34 AM

Yes I do beleive that Beth is exploiting her daughter at this point.

Sure, she is trying to keep her daughter on the front page of all media, tv, etc. But, she has threatened the world with knowledge that she thinks she has and the world will be shocked with what she knows.

I will once again reiterate, to put your missing loved one on the world internet and news, what is that helping? Natalee Holloway has had her picture in the news for 2 months now. Why would a parent show anymore footage of their daughter? Do they think it will help in the investigation? I don't think so, I think they are trying to brag how great she was. That's just my opinion. I mean, how much constant pictures have to be put up at this point? They are sacrificing what little they have left as a family to what they hold close. This isn't necessary anymore.

I don't care, I would never, never exploit my daughter to the degree that Beth is.

Just me I guess, and I can't understand it.

[westcoast]

Did anyone notice Beth's press conference when the Kalpoes were being released?

Ok, c'mon people, she sounded like my whiny cat? So totally fake, like here me world, but I can't cry. Don't let these boys come into any other country. I plead with you.

I couldn't relate to her on that press conference. There was a phony tone to her voice. It wasn't real. It was almost like she was trying to plead to the public like Laci Peterson's mother was but Laci's mother was real. You could hear it in her voice. I felt like she wanted to throw up, it was from the gut and heart.

This woman has never shown it, PVS wife has shown more of a personality that Beth Holloway on camera. Beth has never broken down like a real mother would. Simple folks, who could be as strong as Beth in these unfortunate cirmcumstances????

NOBODY!!

[PinkCobrazz]

And if the fishermen were out in their small boats by the reef, they would not have been able to see the beach that well.

Quote by Jessie

Why not? It certainly seems the gardener,
the witnesses at the landfill, the lady witness
who saw the boys at the racquet club all have x ray night vision!! So why not the fisherman too!
I've never seen so many folks who can see so well at 3:00 AM.

[cj]

Has anyone checked Joran's shoe size against the size of the shoe that was found? Maybe I missed the memo on that....

In all fairness, can we really say what we would or would not do under these cicumstances? I hope none of us find ourselves in the position of losing our child, let alone under the media microscope. I know I would be a nutcase by now but who is to say how others might feel handed this situation.

[Mulder]

Westcoast

Showing NH pics and movies keeps attention on the case. This does help the ivestigation in the following ways:

1. Applying pressure to the Aruban police. ie Do you think they would have drained the pond for just any case.

2. Recruits volunteers. ie do you think there would be large volunteer search teams combing the landfills for just any case.

3. Generates witnesses. The more the case airs, the more chance there is of someone recognizing a face, a car. Maybe the extra attention is what finally forces a witness to come forward.

Maybe these things don't help find NH. But finding her is what motivates BHT.

[!]

Some of the comments on this board disgust me.
You know who you are and you know what you have said . Chill out and have some damn respect. !

[westcoast]

you know,

this shoe thing is just another straw..another straw to keep people dumbfounded and guessing.

It means nothing folks! Absolutely nothing!!

A shoe, a shoe, and if a shoe turns up, then what? Its just all smoke and mirrors folks.

Now maybe a shoe with natalees dna on it might prove something, but lets get real here.

[complex brian]

to me the whole video/pictures thing is pretty irrelevent to the actual case and probably doesnt deserve much discussion on the "motivation" of the holloway/twitty family. its easy to be on the outside looking in and pass judgement onto others. put yourself in their shoes because i cant even imagine whats its like to walk a minute in them. the media probably asked for this videos and photographs. if you cant see a video of natalee and not realize that this could be anyone of us, your daughter, or your girlfriend, or your wife, or your sister, etc. i just don't know what to say to you. the holloway/twitty's seem like a perfectly normal family to me doing everything that they can to bring their daughter home. i don't think their concerned with much else, would you be if you were in their shoes?

[!]

You know who you are and you know what you have said. Why are you coming to this board anyway?
Some of you people could care less about Natalee.
You should be ashamed !

[westcoast]

Some of the comments on this board disgust me.
You know who you are and you know what you have said . Chill out and have some damn respect. !

Posted by: ! | August 2, 2005 04:14 AM

what disgusts you exclamation mark? I know already that you are a big fan of this site, why are you so pissed off?

[westcoast]

to me the whole video/pictures thing is pretty irrelevent to the actual case and probably doesnt deserve much discussion on the "motivation" of the holloway/twitty family. its easy to be on the outside looking in and pass judgement onto others. put yourself in their shoes because i cant even imagine whats its like to walk a minute in them. the media probably asked for this videos and photographs. if you cant see a video of natalee and not realize that this could be anyone of us, your daughter, or your girlfriend, or your wife, or your sister, etc. i just don't know what to say to you. the holloway/twitty's seem like a perfectly normal family to me doing everything that they can to bring their daughter home. i don't think their concerned with much else, would you be if you were in their shoes?

Posted by: complex brian | August 2, 2005 04:17 AM

I wish that people would stop blaming the media for this family...PLEASE!

Yes, I blame the media, but i don't blame it as far as the family goes. They are giving it to them.

You know something, you are talking like they are imbisiles, like they can't think for themselves, or can't comprehend reality vs. media vs. their loved one.

Let this investigative team work their works, and lets hope that this bs with the twittys and the media stop. Otherwise, Joran is walking and the twittys and press are part of it.

[Mulder]

Westcoast,

You have let out the clutch in your mouth before your brain was in bear.

I'm going to leave you alone. Only because you are either a moron, or 12. I don't want to talk to either.

[Mulder]

Westcoast,

You have let out the clutch in your mouth before your brain was in gear.

I'm going to leave you alone. Only because you are either a moron, or 12. I don't want to talk to either.