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ARGGHHH!!!
When will any information be published on this joggers statement?

Thanks Dan! I hate to admit, but any small little tid bit helps to keep this case alive. I think YOU are a BIG part of that equation.

I guess SOP for ALE is NOT to take any statements immediately. Consider the gardener--no statement was taken from him either. Very strange, IMO.

How convenient this comes out now. someone is looking for the $2M?

These tips. Don't you find it amazing that NOW these tips are surfacing? It goes back to reports of witnesses calling in with information and a slow as molassas response (if there is one). I feel so strongly that if we could gather a team of telephone volunteers, setup a call in line, seperate from the police department, and have anyone who has called in previously, CALL AGAIN to the tip line, WOW would this case hussle along.

John Walsh for one week. That's all we would need.

Volunteers who speak Dutch and P. doing intake. Let's help the Aruban LE.

These tips. Don't you find it amazing that NOW these tips are surfacing? It goes back to reports of witnesses calling in with information and a slow as molassas response (if there is one). I feel so strongly that if we could gather a team of telephone volunteers, setup a call in line, seperate from the police department, and have anyone who has called in previously, CALL AGAIN to the tip line, WOW would this case hussle along.

John Walsh for one week. That's all we would need.

It would definitely have to be a anonymous call in line and hopefully past PVDS victims would call with statements about what they had experienced.

IF YOU BLOGGERS READ THE ARTICLE IT STATES: "THIS JOGGER CALLED THE HOT LINE A FEW DAYS AFTER NATALEE DISSAPPEARED" NOT THAT HE JUST CALLED WITH THE TIP.
THE POLICE IN ARUBA, (WHAT ELSE IS NEW?) DID NOT PURSUE THIS OBVIOUSLY BECAUSE IT WAS AN ANONYMOUS TIP, BUT DID THEY INVESTIGATE WHAT HE SAID? WHICH OF COURSE IS ANOTHER OF THE BIG SECRETS OF THIS ATTORNEY GENERAL THAT HAS CLAMMED UP AND DOES NOT EVEN COMMUNICATE WITH BETH TWITTY WHICH IS VERY INCONSIDERATE ON HER PART AND THEN THEY WONDER WHY THE ARUBA INVESTIGATION'S NAME IS MUD!

It seems they are going over everything at last but too late. hope the jogger decides to come forward

If i were the AG i woudl not even remember who BH is. So i dont understand how not communicating with Beth makes him/her a bad person.

I think they shoul just realease the little boy for him to get on with his life. This must have been HELL ON EARTH for him n his family.

My heart continues to go out to Joran and his family and Natalee's family too. But i admit i feel worst n more anger at what this poor boy is goin through.

But i admit i feel worst n more anger at what this poor boy is goin through.

Posted by: P in S.E. Asia | Aug 19, 2005 10:00:36 PM

funnily I am praying it gets worse for joran and family. hmmm i wonder why?

How convenient this comes out now. someone is looking for the $2M?

The $2 M is for her alive ! That would be wonderful!

I guess it'll have to take BHT to go out the Hotel area at 2-4 AM to check out the joggers to see if anyone saw NH in the company of the 3 rapists. Where is Aruban LE?

this once again just blows my mind. i dont understand. he called a few days after the disappearance, the investigation tosses it to the side, now two and a half months later they feel like it has some sort of relevance. how much backtracking is going on to "fix" this purposely botched investigation that they thought they'd just brush under the rug.

If i were the AG i woudl not even remember who BH is. So i dont understand how not communicating with Beth makes him/her a bad person.

Posted by: P in S.E. Asia | Aug 19, 2005 10:00:36 PM

If there is one thing I am confident about regarding Aruban LE, it is that they know who Beth Twitty is.

From P. in S. Asia...

"I think they shoul just realease the little boy for him to get on with his life. This must have been HELL ON EARTH for him n his family."

Oh and I guess life has been a bed of roses for the Holloway family. THEIR DAUGHTER IS MISSING....and tht "little boy" has lied about 20 times now about it. Why do you think that is hmmm? U bet you think they should roll the red carpet out for him when and if he is released while your at it. Perhaps you envision a parade in Aruba for him and Paulus and mommy to make him "feel better" after all the "hell on earth" he has endured.

I got news for you pal. They can release the "little boy" anytime. The entire rest of his life will most likely be "hell on earth" because the people of the world will not let him ever live this one down. People who have nothing to hide...hide nothing.

Complex Brian, good to see you posting. Where ya been? Dennis,I totally agree.

again we go back to the beginning when nothing was done correctly, (paulus or vdstraaten) interfering with what the police force was following up on. i think now that the garbage has been cleaned out, the police are going back and trying valiantly to undo the harm that was done then. probably with the help of the dutch investigators on the ground now. maybe there is hope on the horizon. let's give them a chance.

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After watching FOX I got the same impression.

this once again just blows my mind. i dont understand. he called a few days after the disappearance, the investigation tosses it to the side, now two and a half months later they feel like it has some sort of relevance. how much backtracking is going on to "fix" this purposely botched investigation that they thought they'd just brush under the rug.

Posted by: complrex brian | Aug 19, 2005 11:51:55 PM

I agree. Very well articulated!

proudredneck-

hey there, im still on here pretty much every day checking updates n stuff but i havent had the time to really get into discussions even though id like to. i pop in now and then.

annie-

indeed. hehe.

Have you thought that maybe this jogger reported a girl passed out on the beach? This could be an alibi for JVDS?

the jogger isn't too anonymous. in the article it says

1. he lives near the marriott
2. he lives around the area where Holloway was last seen - and often went jogging there late at night

how hard could it be to check this out?
he could have been lying, but seems like one could do a sweep of the area and videos of people running at 1 a.m. outside the Marriott area

this is yet another example of how little Aruba cares. I mean, if I witnessed something that later turned out to be a part of this horrible story, left an anon message and nothing was done, I would surely call back and leave my name.

There's so much covering of one's ass in Aruba while watching others suffer, it makes me sick. It seems everyone in Aruba is a criminal or illegal alien or just plain self absorbed, and to hell with this poor little girl who met three Aruban monsters. Just as long as Arubans are "happy"!

The jogger should burn in hell for sitting back and doing nothing. One lousy phone call without leaving personal info, means squat. How can he sleep?

The jogger should burn in hell for sitting back and doing nothing. One lousy phone call without leaving personal info, means squat. How can he sleep?

Posted by: vincent | Aug 20, 2005 1:51:17 AM

He probably can't sleep but what if he is illegal like the gardener and they make him come before the deportation judge to tell. Maybe has family to support. Yes, the right thing to do would be to tell no matter what and hope for the best but we see little of that attitude.

it is up to $2 million now??? when did this happen?

i know 1 thing that he better not come to the us and try to go to college like they said thats what he was going to do after school.

I started reading the blogs because it was obvious the news shows were omitting critical information. Why are they not digging deeper? I am curious as to what we know about Deepak and Satish? There is very little reporting on anything except the comments, findings and speculations of Jossy Mansur. And now the jogger story. Does anyone know why the news stories we get are so superficial and limited?

It's now obvious Van de Stratten was instrumental in stalling this case from the beginning to give PVDS time enough to get rid of all possible forensic evidence. This was probably buried under a pile of papers the new investigators have uncovered.

Any news on the forearm found, or the landfill site. How much could be left of remains after all this time?

It's about time we got a good dose of Arlene Schipper on the Nancy Grace show!!! I miss watching that beautiful woman. Anyway, she laid into the host tonight about the demeaning of the Aruban people.

Posted by: POOPS | Aug 19, 2005 10:05:48 PM

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yeah and today we know where she got the nerve to do the demeaning - the "Green" diatribe published today. i've seen miss arlene when she thought the camera was off of her and it really wasn't and she would be making faces of disgust after an interview. she likes america like i like spinach.

"Beauty is only skin deep but ugly goes all the way to the bone." (old radiology saying)

So now the police have a spokesman! Nice to know. If only he would talk more freely. ;)

I missed the news last night and don't have time to read everything today- would someone be kind and let me know what all happened? Thanks!

IT'S ABOUT TIME THAT SOMEONE SAW SOMETHING !
It's always seemed strange to me that no one saw Joran walk home, no one saw that car around.

This person called in a tip in the first few days. In the first few days, they were arresting and detaining the security guards and there was no connection to the Marriott or the Holiday Inn.
Joran, Deepak and Satish were not mentioned.
Perhaps this jogger saw Natalee ( or someone with long blode hair ) in the field near the pond with some other people.

But for the past two months, what has been the excuse for not following up on this ?

How much more did they ignore ?

I have a feeling we are not going to really know anything until the end of the 116 days that the prosecuter has to prepare her case, which will include JVS being held another 30 days after Sept. 4. Then, hopefully, she has enough evidence to charge( her summation to the judge) him with,
kidnapping,sexual assault, and possible murder. At the end of the 116 days, when the prosecuter turns over her summation, the info she has can be turned over to the family, per Arlene (Aruban lawyer).I have serious doubts that the Kalpoes will ever even be brought back in since they won't even have to give DNA again...

the jogger isn't too anonymous. in the article it says

1. he lives near the marriott
2. he lives around the area where Holloway was last seen - and often went jogging there late at night

how hard could it be to check this out?
he could have been lying, but seems like one could do a sweep of the area and videos of people running at 1 a.m. outside the Marriott area

Posted by: ustt | Aug 20, 2005 1:31:08 AM


One news station said between 3-4 AM. They have problably scared the person off, for fear of being
arrested for possible involvement

One news station said between 3-4 AM. They have problably scared the person off, for fear of being
arrested for possible involvement

Posted by: celene46 | Aug 20, 2005 11:40:12 AM

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boy......this story is growing on his own wind.....the boys were reported at the pond by the gardner to be there around 2:30 a.m. now you are saying radio says between 3 and 4 a.m.

wonder what is happening with the "4 a.m. p/u by PVDS of 'them'"?

i have always wondered why that pronoun was used in conjunction with "4:00 a.m."......why would PVDS have picked up the Kalpoes if they had their own car? or was PVDS picking up some other people?

When Melody was posting, she said that one of Joran's friends ( Max Arendz ) was crashing in his apartment. This Max person was interviewed by CNN. ..per Meloday. Joran came back and then went out again. Max was sleeping at the time and so there is no time line. What is left out of this is :

When Max woke up in the am, where was Joran ?
What did Joran come back to get ?
How long was he there ?
Joran was at school on the Monday and I am not sure, but I think it was the day that Daddy Sloot drove him to school because Joran missed the school bus.

If there was a jogger who runs in the we hours of the morning or other times, neighbors near the Marriott or the Marriott staff or SOMEONE in the neighborhood (probably at least a dozen people) must be aware of who jogs in the neighborhood and could give more information. While jogging is still popular there are not millions of people who do it and those who do are noticeable. Has anyone questioned the neighbors in the Marriott vicinity about this mystery man?

I agree Seabreeze~ not many people jog, much less at that hour. And, it's very doubtful an illegal alien would run for recreation or exercize, lol.

this one down. People who have nothing to hide...hide nothing.

Posted by: warrenb | Aug 20, 2005 12:29:42 AM

Another Seedy??

What sort of surveillance videos are taken nightly near that Marriott that might have captured a jogger? And do we know for certain he IS a jogger?

A professional psychic with a history of successes with murders and bodies described Natalee's death, by whom, for what reason, and describes the exact place her body can be found.

She told of Lacey Peterson's death and location long before the body was found and her husband was accused.

Check out her reading - http://www.lifespassages.com

The more I read about this case the more I'm tempted to believe that none of the parties concerned want the case to be solved.
Everyone seems to have a motive to keep things secret. Everyone seems to put up obstacles.
Personally, I'd check out a location described by a gifted psychic, wouldn't you? Or is this an obstacle for some?
If the parties concerned have not yet found Natalee or her body on that tiny island, after all this time, maybe they don't want to find her.
PS- the number in your robot test is unreadable.

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