Aruba: Additional Sexual Assaults Reported

Last week the FBI indicated that at least three American women have come forward since Natalee's disappearance to report that they had been sexually assaulted while vacationing in Aruba.

A popular story that's told by locals concerns an Aruban man and his sons who were fishing off the coast about a decade ago. The engine on their boat failed and they begin a slow drift that eventually carried them over 700 miles to the Panama Canal. Residents told me this story to emphasize how a person, or a body, once in the local waters could quickly drift from sight and never be found.

Big bouncers (probably wrestlers in high school), stand out front of the bar, eyeing everyone who enters. Why, I'm not sure, since children, young adults, and seniors alike are found inside. Visitors tell me they have been approached to buy drugs in this same area.

As promised, he uses a squeeze bottle to shoot shots of tequila into the willing mouths, and sometimes on the bodies of those in line who dance up to him. The women appear to get a little longer shot, but this is the islands. People are here for fun, and this is the place to have it.

I didn't stay late, but the fun continues late into the night, every night. Please know that I'm not the bar police. Young and old were having fun, something they paid for, something that almost seemed expected in this environment.

That's the way Deepak impressed me. He wasn't smug nor did he try to be cool. He was a concerned, threatened young man whose life was now caught in a time warp until this matter is resolved.

As you attempt to unwind this story you find that this little island is a maze within a maze, a human anagram. Secrets, personal concerns, fears both justified and unjustified, and wild, "off the wall" conspiracy theories abound concerning Natalee's disappearance. What I do know is that with the possible exception of the current suspects in this matter, no one has apparently come forward who really knows what happened to a missing 18-year-old girl. One who would have started college this week.

Read it all here: Looking for answers in Aruba

Comments

[FloridaPatty]

My own daughter starts her first class tomorrow...she is 21, my son who graduated this year, started classes today.

Beth Twitty you have my deepest expressions of care mother to mother.

[Kat_Gram]

I just read Deepaks little interview transcript.

He might have to consider coming to Canada to do University ?

OMG. That for me would be hilarious !
ps I live in Canda

Deepak, If you have a crimal record even for
something minor .. you ain't getting in !!!

[clintcarter]

Clint Van Zandt? I watch very little tv so i've not heard of him before but he files a very level-headed report. Kinda sounds like he could do a good job getting any of these kids to open up more than they have.
Guess you'd have to be observant to be a profiler. His description of the area and the bar puts me there as well as anything i've read.

[FloridaPatty]

WOW

Scarbrough Country, Van Zandt is on saying he heard while he was in Aruba reports coming in from MULTIPLE WOMEN in MULTIPLE COUNTRIES coming forward.

Van Zandt did not report this with respect to letting Aruba LE to build their case.

[FloridaPatty]

Deepak seen at Carlos and Charlies Friday night/ Saturday morning at 1 AM. The saying, "the criminal returns to his pattern, his hunting ground" comes to mind.

[shonane]

WOW

Scarbrough Country, Van Zandt is on saying he heard while he was in Aruba reports coming in from MULTIPLE WOMEN in MULTIPLE COUNTRIES coming forward.

Van Zandt did not report this with respect to letting Aruba LE to build their case.

Posted by: FloridaPatty
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Multiple reports from multiple women about what?

[CancunGirl]

shonane:
drugged and raped by Joran..

[Black Bart]

Art Wood reports that one 17 year old girl, a native Aruban classmate of Joran's, has come forward to tell of being drugged and having a sexual excounter against her will this past Spring. She has a lawyer, and she also tells of two friends who have had a similar experience.

This is to be in Jossy's newspaper tomorrow per the PI.

[howie]

Floridapatty--
check the longer version of hte article. Deepak didnt return to carlos n charlies, but the interview ocurred at the internet cafe.

[bpchica]

Multiple reports from multiple women about what?

Posted by: shonane | Aug 22, 2005 10:56:22 PM

The article reads...Last week the FBI indicated that at least three American women have come forward since Natalee's disappearance to report that they had been sexually assaulted while vacationing in Aruba. To my knowledge none of the reported victims have identified any suspect in the Holloway disappearance as their alleged assailant...

[Black Bart]

Deepak did go back to C&C this weekend, post VZ conversation...film was aired on Scarbrough's show. Deepak saw the camera and quickly moved away and further inside, as the camera was outside C&C.

The three American women who have come forward to the FBI have no relation to the three suspects in this case, they have reported being drugged and sexually attacked while in Aruba.

Now there is a girl who is coming forward specifically regarding Joran, from this Spring, who says he drugged her and attacked her. They attended the same school. She also has two friends who claim similar attacks. This aired on Rita Cosby, MSNBC and will appear in Jossy's paper tomorrow.

[Cindi in PA]

Beth, her family, and friends as well as Joran, Deepak, Satish, and their respective families are all caught in this same island time warp -- an "Aruban Triangle" where they can't go forward, and they can't go back.

They can all go forward, but someone has to start telling the truth about what happened, even if they have to pay the price. Let's hope they realize they will never rest until the truth is told. Of course that is easy to say being an American and having a justice system that works. But then again, even here people become involved in a life style where the evil seems greater than the truth, and sometimes it is.

[kescah]

Now there is a girl who is coming forward specifically regarding Joran, from this Spring, who says he drugged her and attacked her. They attended the same school. She also has two friends who claim similar attacks.
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Joran also, or no?

[Jillee]

I've quietly read this blog site for a long while now and I'd really like to throw my thoughts out there about what I feel happened to Natalee that night at Carlos n' Charlies.

First off, teenage kids like to go to places like Aruba because you can legally drink and party like an adult without adult supervision. I come from a Christian background, I was very involved with my church youth group during my entire childhood, my parents were very well off financially and highly respected in our community and, like the Holloways, my parents instilled (or tried their best to instill) high moral values in my brother and myself - heck! I wasn't even allowed to watch P.G. movies until I turned 15! So,when presented with the opportunity to go to Mazatlan with my high school Spanish class (with chaperones) I jumped at the chance--- and NOT because I really wanted to brush up on my Spanish! The entire class couldn't wait to ditch those chaperones and get down to the business of partying/drinking at the local night clubs! We all got so drunk down there that I couldn't even tell you where my girlfriends were! It was all you could do to get youself back to the hotel!
It's pretty hard to be aware of what's going on with one of your friends when you have to concentrate on putting one foot in front of the other. Half my group of girlfriends could have disappeared and I wouldn't have missed them until I woke up with a hangover the next morning! (and afterward, I sure as heck wouldn't have wanted my parents -or the world/media- to know that I was even drinking let alone PLASTERED!) --AND, our last night in Mazatlan we REALLY got drunk because we knew we would have to go home the next day- back to the real world.
Now, in my experience, that's how a normal teenage girl thinks.(we are talking about teenage kids) When you're really drunk, you don't tend to worry about what's going on around you.
Also, if Natalee had met 17 year old Joran that night and he seemed and looked like a nice enough guy, why wouldn't she trust him and his friends?
Let me put it this way.
If a drunk Natalee fell behind her drunk group of friends when leaving C & C's, it was the middle of the night, in a different country, it is not hard to imagine that Natalee would trust Joran and his friends when offering her a ride back to her hotel.
But why would Natalee ever get into a car with these boys? Stranger Danger should have kicked in right? But maybe Stranger Danger DID kick in that night. Perhaps in Natalee's 18 year old brain, the scarier choice would be to get into a cab by herself, in the middle of the night, with a cab driver who I'm sure would be much older and scarier looking than Joran. I believe that she got into the car with the boys (safety in numbers) because the prospect of riding with a dark, middle-aged MAN would make her MORE uncomfortable.

I would like the female bloggers to address this. Why WOULDN'T she feel safer with three (seemingly nice) teenage local boys that she met that night, as opposed to one strange man in a taxi? Put yourself in her shoes. She's drunk, it's dark out, she's alone, it's a hedonistic atmosphere, she's a young, pretty, petite, naive American girl. Which would you choose? I mean, her odds SHOULD have been better with the three teenagers than alone with a strange man. These are split minute decisions. I cringe when I think about it... But had I been her, I would have chosen the same ride home. The odds SHOULD have been in her favor. Unfortunately for Natalee they weren't. And her friends didn't miss her until morning because they were probably passed out as soon as their heads hit the pillow...Because that's what happens when you drink too much.

I think people concentrate too heavily on the judgement of drunk teenagers. 'Who saw what at the bar', 'Why didn't her friends stop her' etc. Come on, they're drunk! I'm sure they feel horrible now, but it seems silly to focus on the instincs and/or responsibilities (or lack there of) when discussing the actions of plastered teenage girls. They didn't see much because they were 3 sheets to the wind that night! Heck! I'm surprised they even remember GOING to Carlos and Charlies!

[donnaanna]

Aruba: Additional Sexual Assaults Reported

Additional?!?!?!? Isn't that buying into the hate/rumor machine? The only evidence there is that Natalee was sexually assualted is that BHT says so! I am quite sure she wasnt' there....

[Kap]

The thing is Beth might know some things we don't know. Joran has already admitted to sexually assaulting Natalee. There are at least 6 witness declarations supporting which Beth, Jug and Dave Holloway have all seen.

CVZ said a few weeks ago the only way this case may break if people start coming forward with similar experiences with Joran, etc....

They are still looking for the jogger who left a tip about something he saw in a field adjacent to the Racquet Club around the same time the gardener saw the suspects and Deepak's car. This was reported on MSNBC yesterday.

[JudyA]

Aruba: Additional Sexual Assaults Reported
Additional?!?!?!? Isn't that buying into the hate/rumor machine? The only evidence there is that Natalee was sexually assualted is that BHT says so! I am quite sure she wasnt' there....
Posted by: donnaanna | Aug 23, 2005 7:04:03 AM

I agree, What a lynch mod these people have become!!
If Joran is guilty, I want him to pay also.
But, the hate that is going on in this blog is sick!!

[Kap]

JudyA - CRY ME A RIVER!!!!! LOL!!!!!

The FACT is: things are starting to unravel for poor ow little big headed Joran (reminds me of the character Sloth from the Goonies). His escapades are being brought to the forefront.

The only sick people here are the Joran apologists.

[berry]

The DA is pulling out all the stops as 9/4 approaches. Any rumor that might rattle info out of Joran will be floated. I don't think there is a single spot on the planet where sexual misdeeds don't occur. No surprise in Aruba.

There is no evidence we know of that Natalee was kidnapped, murdered, harmed or sexually assaulted. She is, as far as anyone can tell, a missing person. That's all.

[Kap]

berry - you don't know what evidence there is so you can't honestly say there isn't any evidence of what you say.

there is several witness declarations that stated Joran admitted to sexually assaulting Natalee, to me that pretty damning evidence and now with these women coming forward, it shows a pattern and it can be safely assumed something simliar occured.

[DennisAOK]

Jillee,

I agree with your assessment. This case involves a number of decisions by different people, none reflecting bad judgement by themselves, but collectively against high odds resulting is a disastrous outcome.

[berry]

The supposed other Joran drugged and assaulted victims - uh, OK. Where were they when the alleged crimes occurred? If there were no initial reports, I'm not buying it. We're 3 months nto this. And there are alot of agendas.

[jgirl]

This whole thing is a tradgedy, and the truth should have come forward a long time ago. But quit blamning Aruba, and the clubs, it is no different than any other resort, and the same things go on in clubs all over US, and
men look for someone at closing time. I remember parties in high school years ago when things were drugs were put in the punch. I grew up in an upper class neighborhood, and my best friend was almost gangbanged by my
next door neighbor and friends (l7-22). We have to guard ourselves. I got in the car with a stranger as a young girl, was almost strangled, but got away. Often other countries want you loaded so you spend more money, etc..
Jamaica, some friends were so loaded they could not even get on their horses, Mexico, goes without comment. Restaurants in Texas shoot Tequilla
in your mouth, clubs in large cities have contests where people are almost hung. Let's quit the naivity and blame, and focus on where Natalee is.
What happened in Aruba is not uncommon, but uncommon for Aruba. Look at all the missing Americans in America. I still believe she died as the result of an accident, but a rape crime had been committed, thus the coverup. Terrible, I want her alive.

[ev]

I agree with this happens everywhere and teenagers do go out and drink until they totally lose control. However, with Joran's admission of sexual assault this changes everything. Getting drunk does not mean that you should end up dead.

[kescah]

"First off, teenage kids like to go to places like Aruba because you can legally drink and party like an adult without adult supervision. I come from a Christian background, I was very involved with my church youth group during my entire childhood, my parents were very well off financially and highly respected in our community and, like the Holloways, my parents instilled (or tried their best to instill) high moral values in my brother and myself - heck! I wasn't even allowed to watch P.G. movies until I turned 15! So,when presented with the opportunity to go to Mazatlan with my high school Spanish class (with chaperones) I jumped at the chance--- and NOT because I really wanted to brush up on my Spanish! The entire class couldn't wait to ditch those chaperones and get down to the business of partying/drinking at the local night clubs! We all got so drunk down there that I couldn't even tell you where my girlfriends were! It was all you could do to get youself back to the hotel!
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It is good when parents try to teach good principles to their kids. But if we are going to really protect our kids, we have to teach them that LIVING BY THESE TEACHINGS IS IMPERATIVE. Our churches aren't doing our kids any favors if they teach them that God forgives any old thing they up and do. That is a view that has crept into Christianity to console those who are living in these tough times and who are influenced by the world around them to make these serious mistakes. (Serious, I would say, at least in Natalee's case. However, any girl in this situation could have the same terrible experience.) If we really want to protect our children and ourselves, then we all have to LIVE by the Bible's teachings. Just a few scriptures which help us to see what is really God's view and meant to benefit us:

1 Corinthians 6:9,10- "What, do you not know that unrighteous persons will not inherit God's kingdom? Do not be misled. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unnatural purposes, nor men who lie with men, nor thieves, nor greedy persons, nor drukards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit God's kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean... sanctified... declared righteous in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." When it says "that is what some of you were," it means before they were Christians, before Paul arrived and taught them about Christ. Upon receiving Christ, they became "doers of the word" and thus benefited themselves in their earthly life and gained God's kingdom.

James 1:22- "Become doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves with false reasoning."

James 2:18-20- "Nevertheless, a certain one will say: 'You have faith, and I have works. Show me your faith apart from the works, and I shall show you my faith by my works.' You believe there is one God, do you? You are doing quite well. And yet the demons believe and shudder. But do you care to know, O empty man, that faith apart from works is inactive?"

Jesus himself said at Matthew 7:21, "Not everyone saying to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in the heavens will. Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and expel demons in your name, and perform many powerful works in your name? And yet then I will confess to them: I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness."

What benefit is it to us if we grow up thinking that God is not firm about his principles? So many churches treat it lightly if the things mentioned in 1 Cor. go on. Of course, the pastor needs to set a good example so he is not looked upon as a hypocrit when he reads such scriptures. Who would apply them if the pastor did not?

It's never too late to change, so let's raise our kids believing that God is not winking at revelries and drunkenness- to save their lives!

[donnaanna]

There is no proof that Joran admitted to sexual assualt. Just because a bunch of LE draw up a confession for him to sign that admits that he sexually assaulted Natalee does not mean that he did it. That is why he didn't sign it!!!! Joran admitted to consensual sex. And, to BHT, that means assault! The woman is protecting her daughter's pristine image. To the rest of the world it means consensual sex.

[Big Pappy]

Innocent or not, Deepak has to be a complete moron to go back there given all that has been discussed about him. I just don't get it.

[moey]

There is no evidence to anything period! The only thing that is fact is that Natalee is missing. Anything else is pure conjecture by anyone.

We don't know what evidence, if any, the police have -- that is hard evidence that would stand up in a court of law. It doesn't matter what we speculate about that Joran said, did or might have done or might have said - its all speculation, period!

Natalee is the only one who can tell us what happened that night for sure. Its pretty apparent that Joran and the others are going to tell stories and lead everyone around in circles. Too bad, its extremely frustrating and Fox didn't help last night with the rerun of the old interview with the East Coast teenager and her mom -- we all heard that weeks ago.

[berry]

berry - you don't know what evidence there is so you can't honestly say there isn't any evidence of what you say.

there is several witness declarations that stated Joran admitted to sexually assaulting Natalee, to me that pretty damning evidence and now with these women coming forward, it shows a pattern and it can be safely assumed something simliar occured.

Posted by: Kap | Aug 23, 2005 9:15:

Actually, I think I posted - "that we know of". Here's a prediction - none of the women are talking about Joran specifically. At most one woman may claim she "thinks" she may have been drugged and assaulted by Joran - but her story will not hold up.

[happy44]

i feel bad for beth and dave. i have no idea what actually happened nor does anyone posting but i think bht is going to hurt the case if there is one . also jug will definitely hurt the case because of his whole demeanor. i would like to know why jug and beth contradict theirselves about aruba authorities and their handling of the case.

[JudyA]

Joran admitted to consensual sex. And, to BHT, that means assault! The woman is protecting her daughter's pristine image. To the rest of the world it means consensual sex.
Posted by: donnaanna | Aug 23, 2005 11:32:14 AM

Well that is right.
I can't help but think those two were smitten with each other and why not. Romance happens on a romantic island! Won't be the first or the last time!

[Tahoe111]

There is no evidence to anything period! The only thing that is fact is that Natalee is missing. Anything else is pure conjecture by anyone.

Posted by: moey | Aug 23, 2005 12:20:53 PM

Here, here, I completely agree with you Moey! I still think it's possible that someone else grabbed her after the boys left her. This could mean she is still ALIVE somewhere, just a thought.

[Justice4All]

Here, here, I completely agree with you Moey! I still think it's possible that someone else grabbed her after the boys left her. This could mean she is still ALIVE somewhere, just a thought.

Posted by: Tahoe111 | Aug 23, 2005 3:05:27 PM

That would make us all happy.
But what if your wrong?

[moey]

Tahoe111:

That's right, she could be. Anyone's idea of what happend that night could be valid. There is no solid evidence (unless the police have it and it is not public knowledge) that the three Aruba young men were the last to see her period. There have been so many stories/tales/half truths/ that it is impossible to sort through them. I just feel sorry for everyone involved and unfortunately I don't see any solid answers coming up anytime soon.

[ev]

He implicated himself in the early hours of May 31th when Beth got to Aruba they had a lie made up. Now if he's such an angel why would they have story made up. Somehow they are all responsible the kalpoe brothers, Joran, Papa Paulus. Who knows there might be other people involved.

[moey]

wecomeseekingtruthandjustice:

I don't think anyone is saying Joran and the Kalpoe's are angels, I don't think they are, but I'm not sure they did anything to Natalee at this point. The only thing that is for sure is that Natalee is missing, but there is no 'concrete' evidence that she is anything other than missing.

[Tahoe111]

I too feel sorry for all involved, it's a sad case. What I worry most about is that we will never have those solid answers we need.

[Tahoe111]

I still think it's possible that someone else grabbed her after the boys left her. This could mean she is still ALIVE somewhere, just a thought.

Posted by: Tahoe111 | Aug 23, 2005 3:05:27 PM

That would make us all happy.
But what if your wrong?

Posted by: Justice4All | Aug 23, 2005 3:16:46 PM

Justice, what do you mean by "what if you're wrong?" What else can be done but to look for evidence and look for Natalee? As far as we know, there is no real evidence of anything except that she is missing. Hopefully the investigators have something solid and we just don't know at this point.

[moey]

Tahoe111:

I think you are right, the solid answers are not going to be forthcoming. Unfortunately if Natalee were available she could document what happened, but that's not possible. Everything else is so convoluted by now that its anyone's guess as to what happened or didn't happen. All conjecture, not to give anyone a pass, that's just the way it is.

[moey]

Justice4all:

That's right I could be wrong and everyone else could be wrong that is guessing -- that's all anyone is doing is speculating and guessing -- no one knows what happened or who was involved and I doubt we will ever know for sure. Its fun to hear different theories, but that's all they are --theories and guesses. They could all be involved or its possible none of them are involved and it is a whole different set of persons or it could be that there is no one else involved. Who knows????

[bryan]

Corroborative witnesses appearing at the last minute in a rape that wasn't as far as we have evidence. Sounds like someone in Aruba is reinventing Kobe Bryant.

Whose money elicited these witnesses. BHT may have a tap into FBA funny money through Van Z.

It took 40 years to find out who arranged for JFK to die. Now we think we know how Marylin Monroe died. Authors list include BHT, JVDS, VanZ, Rita Cosby, Greta, etc. I can not believe Mark Furmann hasn't got in on the feeding frenzy.

It is glaringly clear that everyone involved and in this blog could not come up with a decent conspiricy no matter what.

[Tahoe111]

Moey,

I agree with you, I enjoy coming here to read the different theories/guesses people post. It's frustrating too, that we have nothing solid to work with but the fact that she is missing. Hopefully, one day we'll know more, perhaps when the prosecution needs to be specific and either bring charges or not.

[moey]

Tahoe111:

Do you think they have enough to bring charges? Its so frustrating because we don't know for sure what they have. Obviously there have been leaks, but I don't think its possible to rely on the truth of those leaks.

There is no perfect 'justice' system, but in some ways I like being able to know what is going on to a certain degree instead of being totally in the dark.

Well time is running, so hopefully we will know something soon.

[Tahoe111]

Moey,

It's very frustrating being kept in the dark about everything (regarding the prosecution's case). Perhaps because of that, it seems to me they have nothing or very little to go on. (Including the facts that there is no proof of a death or even of a crime). I can't understand the point of keeping everything so secret, I do hope we get some answers sometime.

[iwabwu]

There is an interesting link-

Van der Straten doesn't believe Natalee is alive (Friday):
Maybe this should only be interpreted as his personal opinion but the fact remains that he has inside information and knows how the investigation is going. So he is basing his opinion on the facts. With regard to Natalee’s status, van der Straaten gave the following statement to a Dutch reporter:

HBK-Translation:

Rep: Any hopes for a positive outcome?
Jan: You always have to be hopeful, but I don’t believe anymore that we will find Natalee alive.
Rep: Why not?
Jan: Because I know the details of the investigation and you don't !

The story was published by a couple of newspapers in The Netherlands yesterday and today. You can view one of the Dutch reports here in Haagsche Courant (local newspaper of The Hague)

http://www.hasibokos.com/hbknews/default.asp?view=day&blogDate=6/11/2005&poll=currentResults

I'll go with the opinion of van der Straten.

No longer looking for a live person.

[shonane]

there is several witness declarations that stated Joran admitted to sexually assaulting Natalee,

Posted by: Kap
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I think this is bunk. I don't think he is that stupid, even if he did. What would he have to gain from this? Nothing. He said from day one that they had sex. I think the twitty family is calling that assault. I don't believe that Joran has labeled it as such. It would be totally illogical for him to tell someone this.

[shonane]

The supposed other Joran drugged and assaulted victims - uh, OK. Where were they when the alleged crimes occurred? If there were no initial reports, I'm not buying it. We're 3 months nto this. And there are alot of agendas.

Posted by: berry
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That make sense to me too. Josie and Ruben were on Bill O'Reilly just a few minutes ago, being interviewed about the 3 girls that say Joran forced sex with them. I only saw a piece of it and it didn't last long so not sure if I got it straight. Josie published in information in his paper today.

What got me, is Bill asked if the police know about this and Josie said he assumed they did, asked if they could have them come in , and Josie said well it was really personal up to the girls, Ruben hemmed and hawed too. Then Bill O'R tasked Josie with finding out from the PI if they know about this and reporting back on his show tomorrow.

Every witness Josie comes up with is squirrelly. The witness at the land fill who is a homeless person, makes money by finding stuff at the landfill, looks high on something (or just totally weird) when interviewed, and according to the FBI fails a lie detector test big time. Then, there was the witness who claims he was driving the white truck that went to the landfill - turns out he's locked up in the Aruba mental institution. Then there is the gardener who works for Josie brother/son/relative or something who comes out long into the investigation.

How do we know these girls aren't just girls who are pissed off because Joran didn't want to have a regular boyfriend /girlfriend relationship with them. I have known of girls who have done some very very sick retaliatory things when they felt rejected, and dishonest things too.

And why did the friends of Joran interviewed early on have very positive things to say about him, nothing that would indicate this. I'd be very skeptical until there is careful scrutiny of the people.

[jgirl]

I think it is time to just let the people in charge get the job done.
No more personality blasting, speculations, Nancy Grace, Bill O'Reilly, not
on this subject. I have followed it closely since day one, and wish for nothing more that a safe return of Natalee for her family and all involved.
But it has become a three ring circus, lies, rumors, anything to put on a show or the news. Where is the professionalism. Same old material around and around, trying to hunt down people who might have said something in passing. I think that the authorities know everything, but they have a government that does not share, and the US not being used to that, can't stand the silence, or wait for the truth.

[George T.]

RE:
That's the way Deepak impressed me. He wasn't smug nor did he try to be cool. He was a concerned, threatened young man whose life was now caught in a time warp until this matter is resolved.

by Dan and

How do we know these girls aren't just girls who are pissed off because Joran didn't want to have a regular boyfriend /girlfriend relationship with them. I have known of girls who have done some very very sick retaliatory things when they felt rejected, and dishonest things too.

And why did the friends of Joran interviewed early on have very positive things to say about him, nothing that would indicate this. I'd be very skeptical until there is careful scrutiny of the people.

Posted by: shonane | Aug 24, 2005 12:12:46 AM

Good posts. Thank you. You are thinking, critically.

[moey]

Who are these girls and why is there nothing in the media about them? Surely with all of the publicity over the disappearance of Natalee they would have come forward by now, even anonymously through an attorney??? You'd have to be dead to not have heard about the Holloway disappearance at some point over the last three months. I don't understand, it seems very curious.