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this so sad and just disgusting - I place my bet they find nothing at this landfill either but Jossy will produce another "witness" by next week to keep the l.e. busy........what the heck is the fbi doing down there? they full acess now so what are they doing? I am sure they have talked tot heir little dea friends in aruba and know jossy's ties.......come now.........

Well, it looks like this case is totally lost. The media are churning it for all it's worth, but there is little left to do or say. It makes me sick that it was bungled up by the Aruban authorities. It puts me in mind of the JonBenet case where the small-town police wouldn't let Denver PD help out.

Did anyone catch "The Situation" on MSNBC with Monica Crowley hosting? It seems the entire panel (a conservative, a liberal, and Monica) all thought it is a bad idea for the FBI to go to Aruba in this case. Advising and testing is okay, but to leave domestic terrorism work to fly to Aruba because that's what the family wants is "not necessary." I read a pretty tough article about the family and circumstances on Opinion Journal today. It seems that people think enough resources have been blown on this case already. It's time to move on and wait for evidence to surface, as it always does. I do feel sorry for the parents, but if Jug Twitty hadn't been a bullying jerk right out of the box, then maybe more people would have worked with him.

Thank you Yolande for taking so much time to listen to the video and type it all up for me! That was very nice of you.

If Paul is innocent in this, which it does not seem to me to be the case what with the advice he gave the boys, I really do feel for them both. I feel for Anita for sure, as she seems lost, without any idea of what is happening.

Dana is a kind of furniture home center.
Most or all of their furniture comes from Europe.
Often there is a long delivery period.
New furniture could have been ordered quite some time ago.

To get questions answered about the house could you just send a postcard or call?

Paulus A Van Der Sloot,
Montanja 19 ...... 587-2711


(From the white pages) posted above --^
Posted by: stlnative | July 31, 2005 11:27 AM


It is too bad when resources are wasted on things that don't pan out. I am sure they are sifting through the tips and acting on the ones that they find plausible, but they have also been under a lot of pressure to act. It seemed like a relief when they started draining the pond, finally something was happening, and now like a waste. But at least they now know. I hope they continue to follow up on tips that seem valid, but also take other possiblities into account, such as that she was taken away. Hopefully the FBI will work quietly and get somewhere behind the scenes. I also hope that Ward, if they keep him on, acts more professionally with his information. I hope they know about it if he is claiming to be going to write a book- I wouldn't want that if it were my daughter missing. I'd write a book myself about my daughter if there were some purpose to it, but just to have someone show up wanting to get hired and then get his face on tv and write a book- sleazy.

Jossy claims t0 have a new witness...a surfer...was surfing at night with a strobe light attached to his head with duct tape...waited to go to the police to let the hair grow back that came out when he removed the duct tape...gave the old tape to a park Ranger...

could someone please tell me what or how paulus explained away jorans lies to dutch tv,
and just what did he not understand when beth asked for her daughter?

folks, you are still being played on here, by the very bloggers who have been hired by Arube.

mariaK....the FBI didnt send that many people to Aruba...the FBI does many other things everyday....besides work on the war on terror...TJ Ward talks to much...some "Private" Eye...and says nothing we havent already heard...why isnt he at the dump with DH?

TJ Ward should be let go, who in Aruba will talk to him now after this. I would think they would be afraid their story will get turned upside down and taken to the press before they could close their front door. I would think that the FBI & LE would take anything he had to say with a grain of salt also. His 15 minutes should be about over!

I had not heard that he was thinking about writing a book. I would think that Beth and Dave should have something to say about that!

I wonder why Jug Twitty is not over helping dig up the trash getting his hands dirty. I just watched the interview from last night with him rolling his eyes - grow up, this is the real world and Beth is hurting.

Beth did look like she is getting her back bone back up and ready to fight some more! My heart goes out to Dave and Beth - it seems that nothing is going their way right now.

"nobody in aruba seems overly appaled at how many times their stories have changed - but they did get a bit huffy at the kalpoes being called "criminals" funny, we saw no protesters wrapped in flags and holding signs when those boys got the 2 guards locked up by lying......."

Calista, right on.

Posted by: kescah | July 31, 2005 10:21 AM

nobody in Aruba seems....
Balloney... most people in Aruba conclude that Joran must be guilty... because of his changing stories.

TJ Ward will be back....with a new hair weave...and a polyester leisure suit...and a gold medallion...will be going door-to-door for the Jehovah's Witnesses....free Watchtower or Awake...in Dutch of course...

My apologies. It's true that we have only heard of the group protest, but I'm sure there are plenty of people who see the other side of the story too.


"nobody in Aruba seems....
Balloney... most people in Aruba conclude that Joran must be guilty... because of his changing stories."

Dan...

ALE needs to issue a warrant for that cistern to be drained on the VDS property. I am pretty sure this is the neck and cap to that cistern on the VDS property in this picture. It looks like there is a shadow on top of the cistern lid due to the tree branches. Or it may simply have something sitting on top of it. It looks like it has been painted to match the paint on the house since cistern caps are eyesores in a yard.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/patchworkpiecer/cisternlid.jpg

here is picture of my cistern cap, next to what I believe is the cistern cap on the VDS property.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/patchworkpiecer/cistern.jpg

The only way to know for sure that Natalee is not in that cistern is to drain it. Bleach and pool chemicals can be poured into that cistern to hide the smell of a rotting body from human and dog noses. The water may be murky enough or could have been dyed with paint or dye to make the water hard to see through even with a flashlight if one was to shine it into the cistern to take a look at the bottom on it through the water that may be in it.

As long as PVDS owns that home and as long as ALE will not issue a warrant for that cistern to be drained, then Natalee's family will always wonder if Natalee's remains are inside that cistern.

That cistern would no longer be used since 99% of the people are now hooked up to water plant on the island.

stlnative

What is the diameter of that cap?

ALSO

Do you know where
Montanja 19 ... is located in Dan's posted "Natalee Holloway: A Bird's Eye View Of Investigation Locations" ??
at this link???

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/natalee_hollowa_87.html

stnative I dont know what is under it but the thing you are focused on is a potted tree.

Cistern caps cover a concrete manhole that comes out of the top of the inground cistern tank that is below ground level.

http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y84/patchworkpiecer/cistern.jpg

The neck below the cistern cap is the size of a manhole. So it is large enough for a grown sized man to climb into. It is an access hole so that water hauled from a truck can fill the cistern up. A cistern is a in ground holding tank for water. A human has to have access to the inside of the cistern tank so that you can clean it or make repairs to the inside of the tank.

The cistern cap is keep dirt out of cistern or so that no one falls into the manhole.

Dan...

Yes I see it now due to the 2 shadows on the left and right of it.

But... there is a cistern on the VDS property. The cap to it may not be in the picture but we have heard about the cistern (some are calling it a well) in the news.

Why are we bashing Jug. Her daughter is gone and he is her husband and I feel sure she loves him.

The tree is potted too! This place is a drinker's paradise.

Dan...that is the head of the cistern..with the shadows to the right and the left...there is a small tree/shrub at about 1 o'clock,,the closeness makes it look like a potted plant...the "pot" is the neck or the rim of the cistern..looks like there is a pipe connecting from the cisern to the building next to it...grayish in color

Dan is right... it is a potted tree.

Pipes from the cistern would be underground.

Even though I narrowed in on the pot looking like a cistern cap. We still know that there is a no longer used cistern on the VDS property somewhere. (some people are calling it well)

Here's some info on GPR...interesting...http://www.geomodel.com/graves/

I cant disagree...but look at the side of the building(yellow) at the base is a grey rectangular shape...somethin is running from that gray "box" to this "pot?"...looks like an awfully big pipe for a potted plant that size?...

Will someone please tell me why Joran's father refused to let the FBI search the well on his property? If it is a water well, I am sure that Aruba has a public water system and that the water in the well is either drinkable, potable, or septic tank.

Does Aruba have warrants issued to allow the search of the water well based on the possibility of finding more clues?

Aruba is approximately 9 miles long and about 3 miles wide, and the authorities are slowly running out of places to search.

I think the Aruba Prime Minister or the FBI should issue a search warrant or something to be able to search the well on the Van der Sloot property, since Paul refused to let them before. Does he have something to hide?

Come on people of Aruba, the whole world is watching all of you to look really really stupid, at the hands of a teenager with raging hormones and a sick love for a website filled with rape, and no respect for a beautiful woman.

Hey Joran, pretend that it is your mother that you have done all of this horrible stuff too, and pretend that it is your mother at the bottom of that well on your family's property.

Would you still be trying to hide behind your father's association with officials of Aruba that are believing all of your lies, and Paul's shifty eyes tell me all of you are lying.

Either way, you are still going to hell along with deepak and ceepak battery-pak brothers who seem to keep on going and going and and staying out of jail, while your ass gets hung. Happy Trails to you on your everafter ride into hell. Goodbye.

can PVDS still colect his check if he is in detention?

"Happy Trails to you....is that Steve Croes driving the chuck wagon?...hey cookie, another dog burger please..."

Listening to the video I can understand why people are constantly (still) stating that PVDS is a judge. He himself expresses himself in such a way that one would conclude that he IS a judge. The man is a sicko.

How much is helicopter rental in Aruba?....what are the flyover restrictions?...

I wonder if that baby pool in the next yard is still there, or could it be the one they found in the landfill? Did the pool they found have finger prints on it?

Just a thought Probably nothing in the cistern. Otherwise Papa Sloot wouldn't be renting the Villa and staying elsewere. He would lose control of not letting it be searched.

Dan,

Yes, it has been said that a picture is worth a thousand words--and some aerial pictures are worth at least ten times that, IMHO!

The whole place gives me the creeps! It looks more like a "compound" than a residence if you ask me. Also, just curious, how does a school teacher and "Official" in training afford a pool?

Also, note the long, industrial looking buildings on the left. What are the long standing gas bottles used for? Acetylene? Nitrous Oxide? What are those things for?

Why does this place look like a place of 'activity' other than what most folks have for family activities??

Were there other types of activities going on here? Raves? Drug parties? Ecstasy parties and sales?

What is the building with the satellite dish next to it? Is that JVDS' "apartment?" If so, maybe they are moving the furniture out of it and getting rid of it for some reason......hmmmm..

I say search the whole PVDS compound with the radar devices, including the well again and search all the surrounding areas too.

Lone War Eagle

Just another case of mistaken idenity. That is the home of the man who ownes the monkey. Maybe LE should be looking at the monkey man neighbor of VDS as a suspect in this case. A pretty good case has been made against his back yard here.

The tree is potted too! This place is a drinker's paradise.

Posted by: clintcarter | July 31, 2005 03:03 PM

excellent clint!!!

Just another case of mistaken idenity. That is the home of the man who ownes the monkey. Maybe LE should be looking at the monkey man neighbor of VDS as a suspect in this case. A pretty good case has been made against his back yard here.

Posted by: Jessie | July 31, 2005 04:42 PM


Jessie are you drunk again? i thought you covered all that last night with Dr Silkworth and Dan

Well, take a good look at that photo and then click on the URL and click the Greta Blog hyperlink that says mom visits suspects parents.
That is not the same house or yard.

I know a few people who would like to put a size 14 (shoe) up Joran's arse right now.

Here in the US...the guys in prison dont usually use a shoe....broom handle...mop handle...vasilene optional...

sorry jessie

no photo at the link

you smokin the funny stuff again?

It is a video Hendrix. The hyperlink in in blue in the Greta blog area. Says something like mother visits suspects mom.

Jessie - stop being such an idiot - I linked the video myself and used it to confirm the image. What you cant grasp is that the truck is on a side street next to the home and every thing matches fine once you get the right orientation. Use the small yellow wall with the electrical box on it visible in both to do that. You're starting to annoyu e because you have no idea what you are talking about.

Well, take a good look at that photo and then click on the URL and click the Greta Blog hyperlink that says mom visits suspects parents.
That is not the same house or yard.

Posted by: Jessie | July 31, 2005 06:10 PM

This aerial photo was based off their address. There is no need to believe that the photographer would have bothered photographing the wrong property. From other videos I have seen, this photo seems consistent with those videos, including the one you linked. I am fairly certain you are mistaken. The video is just a smaller pie view of the same property.

I cant disagree...but look at the side of the building(yellow) at the base is a grey rectangular shape...somethin is running from that gray "box" to this "pot?"...looks like an awfully big pipe for a potted plant that size?...

Posted by: Nuke Aruba | July 31, 2005 03:17 PM

I think that pipe is awfully large to be just a 'watering" pipe for a plant. Seems really large for that. Are we sure the plant isn't on there as a "decoy"?

Well Dan, this is a easy one to solve, unlike the NH disappearence.

In the video when BH approaches the gate facing the house, she hands the flyer to VDS and moves to her right were VDS is opening the gate near the fuse box.
Now where the hell to you think BH was standing when she moved to the right to enter the gate? In the enclosed back yard of the house on the right with the white fense? Because that is where she would have to be.

Jessie, look at the video again, you will see that that between that white fence and their fence is a road or walkway. There was plenty of room for Beth to move and still be outside of his property and not in his neighbor's property. Even the bend in the fence is seen in the properties in both photos. The photo IS the PVS property. I agree with Dan.

Only problem with that annie is that when BH is standing facing the front of the VDS house the VDS property extends much further to her left before she moves to her right to enter the gate. And there is a narrow dirt road behind her as she faces the VDS house.

It is the same property. The truck is blocking some of what you can't seem to place in your mind to match the two images. The photo was taken from the ADDRESS of his property. Everything matches up IMO. I see the house with the monkey relative to the property matching this photo. I don't see why you are missing it, but to me it is obviously the same property.

Well then, maybe that is the real problem with LE is having with this case as many others seem to be. They searched the wrong damn house.

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