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You know this is really, really terrible and I hope that most Americans will start to wake up. They have been lulled into "gimme-my-money" for so long, that they think of nothing else.

I am not allowed to say what I would like to say here, but suffice it to say, I am very, very upset and have been since -- well --- about 30 years, and with our passive, PC attitudes we have enabled these cowards to get stronger and stronger while too many of us are worried about the latest fashion statement of the leather upholstery in the SUV not matching our wardrobe.

SIXTY EIGHT DEAD

PALESTINIAN SUICIDE BOMBERS ARE INVOLVED, EARLY REPORTS ARE INDICATING

Oh, what new hell have they created now!

I saw some "talking head" (that was a nice way of saying it) on TV Friday, Fox, I think saying how well-educated and mature these suicide bombers are. I gagged and made a pot of coffee.

My only regret is these poorest of people who become suicide bombers cannot return and tell the ones being recruited and the ones paying them (let's just start with Surah) paying their families to GFY, no virgins, just hellfire.

yes RED

it is interesting that the 30 plus year old preachers and their kids are never the ones to perform jihad or in persian shehada. why? because they themselves don't buy into the myth

also why do they get upset when one of their own are killed if they are also considered martyrs?

this is very perplexing

however the more they hit their "own" (even if the extremists don't consider them their own, but apostates) the moderates will have no choice but to stand up to them

only then will this end

MrsJH, I don't know if it will ever end. Are we seeing Armageddon? I don't know if the moderates will stand up or just do it in public and hide in the mosques to plot and plan more bombings.

I hope you are hitting the phones and the Inet to find out what you can to let us know. I find your tidbits very informative.

Its looks like the people, like you and me in those countries are going to have to stand up and take matters into their own hands. These scum bags are like a disease that is spreading like a wildfire. If it takes ordinary people to stand up to them then so be it. They have to confronted and stopped. Policemen and are security folks cannot be at all places at all times. The general public is going to have to get more involved in stopping these scum bags ! The good guys far out number the bad guys. Everyone all over the world is going to have to keep their eyes and ears open and always, always look over their shoulders.
THEY WILL BE DEFEATED !!! The sooner the better !

I heard that theres an enormous interest under muslim-extremists to become suicidebombers. Theres much more potention under those people than actually 'used'. For example, a child which is the only one that financially supports his/her parents will not be used for suicide-attacks.

Where does all the hatred come from ....?!

"If it takes ordinary people to stand up to them..."

THAT'S what I've been talking about!
Now, what is your PLAN?

And redneck, please feel free to say whatever you want. But if you want to have a LOGICAL (as in; defines the situation, addresses the situation, is not EMOTIONAL, etc.) dialogue wiht people who are more than like-thinking chat room buddies and have us all learn something together then you should be willing to address STEPS and their consequences on the way to a GOAL.
I've reacted to you ( and others)in part because you embody for me the angry citizen who wants to strike out and isn't sure what to do, so it's better that our military just strike out blindly itself and as a result kill MANY more innocent civilians than have died here. Nothing could be more harmful to our reception by the rest of the world and our attempts to stop terrorism.
I post arguments about our methods and people respond with links to terrorist news?? Uh, Duh! What does that mean?

I think we want the same thing redneck. My disagreeing with our current methods would not bother you so much if you knew me and had seen me in action.


And I won't be ignoring you, I just have to get to work. Later.

Not all the suicide bombers are poor, as noted in the recent attacks in Britain, but religous fanatics with misinterpretations of religious teachings.

Truly tragic and what a waste both for the terrorists and their victims. I wonder if Ken Livingstone will say that the victims deserved their fates for collaboration with Egypt since they are an American ally. Livingston makes me think of Vichy French.

In 1995 I was living in Barhain..beautiful island, I was in the military....anyway, that was when the Dah'Rahn bombings occurred in Saudia Arabia. They lituarlly bombed the hell out of a US Military barracks. That bomb was so deadly and powerful it shocked waved our entire island. It was like an earthquake. My point, well, these bobings and radical movements have been going on for years. It is now, after 9/11 that they seen "more so" because many people didn't pay attention to what was going on in the rest of the world. Once things start to hit home, people tend to open their eyes more. This world has been at war since the beginning of time, so people should not panick, we can not personally stop it, but keep the faith and hope our soldiers kick the crap out of those sickos once and for all.
Just my thoughts.

Unfortunately, stopping these maniacs cannot be done by military forces. In the past, "war" had a few semi-noble rules about killing civilians. These maniacs "have no rules" therefore every person who is able should be carrying a weapon. The idea that "everybody would go crazy" and people would be killing each other all day long is ludicrous. Police and military are "marked" by their uniforms etc. So the "terrorists" avoid them. These people are going after the common man because they know the common man will surrender when not allowed to fight back. This idea that "guns kill"--without the benefit of someone pulling the trigger is a fantasy of the liberal mindset. I know many, many people who carry guns that have never shot anyone in their life. In my own case, having a gun saved me and my two sons (when they were 6 and 8 years old) when some idiots tried to run us off the road. Didn't need to use it--just stuck it out the window and they did a u-turn.
The fact that we live in a nation that thrives on "fear" leads me to believe that most people will just continue to give up their rights, sit home and continue the hypnotic TV-beer life. And they are not dead already? No, the only answer to these maniacs is every day people being prepared to take action. Kill them before they kill you.

Wi Mom Said "religous fanatics with misinterpretations of religious teachings."


An honest look at Islam and what it teaches and how it has propagated itself for centuries shows us that Islamic terrorist are not misinterpretating anything.


They are simply following the commands of their pedophile leader Mohammad, as he instructed them in the Koran.


PARTIAL LIST OF ISLAMIC TERRORIST ACTIVITIES

1968 Robert Kennedy assassinated

1972 Munich Olympics Sep-5,1972 (Black September)[My first memory of terrorist activity.]

1976 Entebbe Hostage Crisis, June 27, 1976

1979 Iran Hostage Crisis, Nov. 4, 1979 444 days

1979 Grand Mosque Seizure, Nov 20,1979

1981 Assassination of Egyptian President, Oct 6,1981

1982 Assassination of Lebanese Prime Minister, Sept 14, 1982

1983 Bombing of US Embassy in Beirut6, April 18,1983

1983 Bombing of Maring Barricks, Beruit, Oct 23,1983

1984 Hizballah Restaurant Bombing, April 12,1984

1985 Egyptian Airliner Hijacking, Nov 23,1985

1985 Rome Airport murders

1985 TWA Flight 847 hijacked, U.S. Navy diver murdered

1985 Achille Lauro hijacking, Homacidal maniac lived in saddams Iraq

1986 Aircraft Bombing in Greece, March 30, 1986

1988 Pan Am 747 Flight 103 Bombing, Lockerbie, 100's murdered

1988 Berlin Discoteque Bombing, Dec 21,1988

1992 Bombing in Israeli Embassy in Argentina, March 17,1992

1993 Attempted Assassination of Pres. Bush Sr., April 14,1993

1993 First World Trade Center bombing, February 26th, 7 Killed, Hundreds injured,

1994 Air France Hijacking, Dec 24,1994

1995 Attack on US Diplomats in Pakistan, Mar 8,1995

1995 Saudi Military Installation Attack, Nov 13, 1995

1995 Kashmiri Hostage taking, July 4,1995

1996 Khobar Towers attack

1996 Sudanese Missionarys Kidnapping, Aug 17,1996

1996 Paris Subway Explosion, Dec 3,1996

1997 Israeli Shopping Mall Bombing, Sept 4, 1997

1997 Yemeni Kidnappings, Oct 30,1997

1998 Somali Hostage taking crisis, April 15,1998

1998 U.S. Embassy Bombing in Peru, Jan 15, 1998

1998 U.S. Kenya Embassy blown up, 100's murdered

1998 U.S. Tanzania Embassy blown up, 100's murdered

1999 Plot to blow up Space Needle (thwarted)

2000 USS Cole attacked, many U.S. Navy sailors murdered

2000-2003 Intifada against Israel - 100's dead and injured

2000 Manila Bombing, Dec 30,2000


2001 4 Commercial airliners hijacked, 250+ murdered

2001 World Trade Center attacked, 2800+ murdered

2001 Flight 93 murders

2001 Pentagon attacked, 180+ murdered

2002 Reporter Daniel Pearl, kidnapped and murdered

2002 Philippines American missionary, Filipino nurse killed

2002 July 4, El Al attack Los Angeles LAX, several murdered

2002 Bali bombing - 200 dead, 300 injured

2002 Yemen, French Oil Tanker attacked

2002 Marines attacked / murdered in Kuwait

2002 Washington D.C. sniper


2002 Russian Theater attacked, 100+ dead

2002 Nigerian riots against Miss World Pageant,

200 dead, dozens injured

2002 Mombasa Hotel Attacked, 12 dead, dozens injured


2002 Israeli Boeing 757 attacked by missiles, fortunately no one injured

2002 August Hotel bombing in Jakarta, Indonesia.
12 dead, dozens injured.

2003 Rusian concert bombing

2003 Phillipines airport and market bombing

2003 Foiled SAM plot in the USA

2003 UN Baghdad HQ Bombing

on and on and on and on their terrorism has gone .........

BOMBING JUST NOW IN ISTANBUL

HI CLINT CARTER

its funny that you mention the clique thing. you have just missed us. you are welcome to get in touch too.

it only SEEMS cliquish when in fact what it is is things people want to know about but we cannot discuss here.

think: you know you are famous when thread. hint hint. now you may understand better.

so please don't take it personally you have been here a long time now and you are a part of the gang too, we just go offline b/c there are some things as you can see now that are better of not said here.

AND NOTHING AGAINST YOU, I PROMISE : )

now back to terrorism

be back later

OK HERE IS WHAT I HAVE THUS FAR:

proud red, you will recall my fixation to the egyptian, well yes it is coming out all the more

THE TRIGGER:

a replay of part of the video clip of the "confession" of the Egyptian Ambassador to Iraq just before he was beheaded

in this part of the confession, he "admits" that there is a "heavy presence of jews in the sinai" and that he is complicit in their being there, and that he and mubarak are working on behalf of these particular jews as well as others to convert Iraq into a part of the zionist state

this was the trigger for the bombing, waiting to hear that portion of the tape replayed


WHO HAS CLAIMED RESPONSIBILITY:

the Brigades of "Martyr" Abdullah Azzam. This is the same group that claimed responsibility for the bombing in Cairo on May 1, 2005

give me a little time and i will come up with a transcription of the message in arabic and post it here

HERE IS THE TRANSCRIPTION:

i will set the stage. president hosni mubarak does not tolerate islamic extremism in Egypt and therefore expels radicals or imprisons them on a regular basis (hence they make their way into the world like ayman al zawahiri and mohamed attaf among ten million others---my comment)

Also essential to note Egypt is 97 percent muslim, hence the zionists and crusaders mentioned are facts only as they relate to alqaeda and not actual statistics

THUS FAR, 88 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED AND 200 INJURED. in the hotel, a car was driven into the lobby and exploded

NOW HERE IS THE TRANSLATION

MEMO FROM THE BRIGADES OF MARTYR ABDULLA AZZAM IN EGYPT

In the name of Allah, the most commpassionate, graceful and most merciful.... (then a verse from the koran as usual)

Brothers, your friends the mujahadeed (freedom fighters) of Martyr Abdullah Azzam carried out this strike against the Zionists and Crusaders in the land of the Apostatic Egyptian regime of Sharm al-Sheik. In the strike we completely destroyed the Zionist built Ghazala Gardens Hotel in Na'ama Bay.

We also targeted the old commercial market which is filled with thousands of Zionists and Crusaders.

We want to confirm to you that these attacks are in retaliation to the worldwide crimes against Muslims headed by the Pig Mubarak himself. Muslim blood has been spilled in Afghanistan, Palestine, Chechnya and Iraq not thanks to him (mubarak).

We say aloud that we are not scared of the Egyptian Executioner's (mubarak's) sword and we cannot tolerate the harm that is happening to our brothers in the "heroic" Sinai (by the Egyptian Army and police at the behest of Mubarak).

We promise to avenge Sinai's martyrs who have been whipped and killed by the Egyptian tyrant (Mubarak) and his army

Allah is great!! Allah is great!! Glory to Allah and his prophet Mohammed and the Mujahadin (freedom fighters)


THE BRIGADES OF MARTYR ABDULLA AZZAM IN EGYPT

Michele in B-Ham,

Thanks for the list. I should point out to you , though, in the interest of objective truth, that most of those Palestinian attacks in the '60s through early '80s cannot be considered "Islamic" terrorist attacks. Though a majority of Palestinians are Muslim, the PLO and its partners and offshoots were not a Muslim-identified organization. One of the chief architects of Palestinian terror, in fact, was George Habash, a Palestinian Christian. He (and many other PLO-types) were not fundamentalist religious types at all, but, rather, left-leaning godless Russian-type Marxists. Evil, yes, but definitely not to be considered antecedents to the current wave of terror.

Delano

Kudos!!

george habash's PFLP is now based in syria!!

Michele in B-Ham's list shows an escalating level of violence. These people never forgive and never forget. We have killed thousands and thousands of Islamic people. Every son and brother and uncle will live for the day that they can get revenge.

In the next attack, we could lose a major city. The center of L.A. or Kansas City could be rendered uninhabitable for decades.

This is why we should not be sending FBI agents to Aruba! We need every single man here in our own country which is in grave danger. Natalee Holloway is almost surely dead. Lets protect the living.

Mrs JH, thanks for that. That is exactly what I had assumed. It is difficult on these forums. Gee, my Spybot just popped up; you think that's a sign (LOL). We all have to be 100% vigilant.

I think it is very sad that they will kill their own people to go to what they call heaven. It really all goes back to Ishmael and Issac....all of it foretold and no surprise. It's all about NOT loving our brothers. Yes, we have to fight it but it is truly sad that we cannot just love each other.

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