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The AP reported tonight that forensic divers probed an underwater cavern Saturday on the northern tip of Aruba for a missing Alabama teenager, but turned up no sign of Natalee Holloway. [Read More]

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Fox just reported nothing found.

Dan...before they give and leave...

The Florida State and Navy Seal divers really are needed to dive into Boca Mahos and try to find remains there, that they can extract DNA from because that is by far the most logical place for a body to have been dumped.

If she just swam out and drowned, she would have been off the Arashi Beach or the beach along Palm Beach...and carried far out to sea, beyond reach of any of the divers.

However, if she was deliberately hidden, after death, no matter the cause of death...she would far and away most likely be thrown off the cliff at Boca Mahos...there is no other place.

Divers can go in there...they have protective gear.

My childhood friends from Lago Colony went in there spear fishing for sharks and barracudas when we were growing up. The boys only had a snorkle, mask, fins and a speargun, in those days and they lived to spearfish in those rough seas.

See these images:

http://community.webshots.com/photo/106761904/111490601FzytSc

http://community.webshots.com/photo/263351571/263868450qvyqlk

http://community.webshots.com/photo/267407258/269956457mNMNeS

http://community.webshots.com/photo/90591193/90596213YSQIQo

http://community.webshots.com/user/lagossa

http://community.webshots.com/photo/263259428/263294770xQOqUz

http://community.webshots.com/album/263351571mCGylP

http://community.webshots.com/album/263259428wTKpjy

http://community.webshots.com/photo/106761904/107887761ktfGBj

Mike Hagendoorn was the father of Anthony Hagendoorn who now owns his father's sailboat, Tranquilo, which many tourists enjoy for a half day sail up the coast or an evening sail for sunset and supper on the water. Mike was a supurb sailor and terrific spearfisherman, decorated by Prince Bernhard of the Netherlands for his sailing race wins on the Aruba to Bonaire Race.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/106761904/111490601FzytSc

Lago girl...beautiful pictures but some of those of the coastline look pretty scary.

Well, the boys I grew up with loved to skin dive and spearfish in those waters...now they take nothing but photos and leave only bubbles...

The Navy Seals can dive and explore those waters with no problem if the teenagers could play in them without anything but flippers, mask and snorkle...plus spearguns.

And, they MUST go in there...or they will NEVER find Natalee...

That is the main place to search. I have no idea why it was not done at the very beginning.

The Navy Seals MUST dive at Boca Mahos...or they will have left the most important stone unturned.

More of the boys of Lago Colony (the American refinery company town where we were born and grew up in the 50's and 60's) as they go to play in their beloved sea...

http://community.webshots.com/photo/105986298/105986524pnxrsu

http://community.webshots.com/photo/105986298/105986391UqJJKJ

http://community.webshots.com/photo/105986298/115010782BuelDM

http://community.webshots.com/photo/105986298/114347189doLuRx

http://community.webshots.com/photo/105986298/114362638kZrCpz

The boys grew up and had to leave their beloved "Rock" as we called Aruba because college and life in our parents' country lay in wait...maybe the reason we put so much energy into the playground at our feet, for we knew that childhood would end with the flight away from home...to the States for college and adulthood.

However, we return to our natal island as often as we can and several have retired and returned to live on our beloved Rock, claiming their residency cards because they were born in the Lago Company Hospital and have rights to Dutch citizenship, as well as their American citizenship through their American parents. My dual citizenship came from a Dutch father and an American mother, and Aruba as my birthplace, also leaving when that freshman college year, in the States, came for me.

http://w3.trib.com/~dwood/churchplaque.html

http://www.lago-colony.com/

http://www.lago-colony.com/SUPPORT%20BUILDINGS/LAGO%20SCHOOL.htm

One of our high school graduates who won her second Oscar this year...and edits all of Martin Scorsese's films:
http://www.lago-colony.com/THELMA/THELMA.htm

Fox News just interviewed a criminologist who routinely interviews possible murderers. He said to look at Joran's story again. Often someone involved in something like this will actually tell a lot of truth. They tend to mention events like a timeline, places they went but deliberately mix up who did what and also leave out critical detail. His point being to read between the lines. Joran's story: Natalie was gambling and losing, he rescued her. Natalie was out of control drinking and on drugs at C & C, was dancing provocatively and came on to him to leave, so he did. Natalie wanted to go see the sharks, so he took her. Reality could be: Joran was the one out of control partying, gambling. He came on to Natalee, drugged her (it seems drugs don't fit her norm), took her to the beach for sex but something went wrong. The shark comment has to do with him trying in some way to say she is gone in the ocean.

I have posted my psycholinguistics thread in scared monkeys. There are not enough paid jobs for profilers, 1% of those that train in other disciplines as forensic. The persons like me who do predict as in Dennis Rader characteristics from thoughtprints are found time and time again to be right. Same as folie a duex and the 1-40 murders. They are in fact two, male and female, and have some issues of abandonment rage, and sadism. So if we look at all the suspects said with what witnesses said of timelines we see that superfluous statements are thoughtprints.

My thoughts on this come from reading 'inside the mind of a serial killer' who did produce fiction and fact mixed that he could not erase from sensory memory channels as autobiographical memory.

Joran needs his ego to be kept up, as is shown by the cloths, manner and his attitude of smirking for he is in control. To find out how his words fall all they have to do is keep talking to him. In the end his own character is in narcissism, so he will make scenes that contradict.

In this he has shown there was no beach, no lighthouse and that he was at home, and that is where this thing ends. To look for something you look where is so normal and that is why the public find victims as in Shasta's case as so very normal you overlook it. Most homicide victims are found by family when they die in that vicinity because they know the area and the person.

In cases of others intervention, it is the locals who find as random to the search area. The search area cannot be far from the window of time in that Aruba girl says saw going to the home of JVDS at 2 am APROX. That means that it could have been nearer 1.45 as time out was 1. 15 I would speculate as 1.00 am the club closes. If they drove from c and c's to the house you can add 15 minutes or more depending on any fracas on the way.

Car washed in unusual place near Kalpoe home, at 2.30- 3.00 am. So whatever befell Natalee she has to be in the radius of the home, from 3.00 am if that call is to be counted on a land line as you can use text, so why use verbal phone.

This means that Natalee was alive at 3.00.am and Kalpoe brothers were not there, so who was? If father was'nt as seems plain, the where were the dogs at the Joran household. Joran said to his mother ' if you had been there this would not have happened' find that statement and analyse it.
This is a sociopaths way of distributing blame, what happened, as this is a missing girl who with this intonation he is saying if she had been at home this would not have happened.

Thoughtprints indicate home, as the problem. Natalee has to be so near they and the search team are not allowed to search without a warrant. That warrant will or should be instigated due to analytical experts paid by the police seeing the pattern and added with forensic evidence that Paulus feels is well hidden. The clues to this are his behaviour of stress on being in his own home and being filmed and interviewed. She is somewhere near or in that complex is my take on this, or was as deceased from 3.15 am.

Dutchlady,
Thank you for your williness to share in your expertise in this subject. I find it very very interesting that Beth Holloway said when she went to the house (I believe the first night there (?) or maybe when she approached them another time) that she knew her daughter had been in that house. From your analyisis..that indeed is a mother's true intuition. God Bless 'em.

Dutchlady,
Thank you for your williness to share in your expertise in this subject. I find it very very interesting that Beth Holloway said when she went to the house (I believe the first night there (?) or maybe when she approached them another time) that she knew her daughter had been in that house. From your analyisis..that indeed is a mother's true intuition. God Bless 'em.

Sugarpop,


I agree!

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