Picture Comparison

When I posted the images below, I didn't have high resolution copies and still don't. However, it is my understanding that they will be provided. That should enable a better evaluation of the images.

I did try to address one issue and thanks to reader JL, it is posted here. There is an inset box of Natalee's halter tilted at a forty dergee angle to match her leaning over from the stage.

A few other points - It appears that Natalee is on the stage, not on the bar - given the configuration of the club.  Also, if it is Natalee by the door - and I am waiting until I have the hi res photos to address that, assuming they come - then I hope to determine if it is the same individual looking at her by the door, as the fellow looking up at the stage in the picture at link above.

I do not believe either individual is Joran v d Sloot.

Comments

[clintcarter]

Dan did you get my email of a couple days ago?

[RstJ]

You really need to address the question a lot of people had about these pictures:

Why are they cropped?

RsTJ

[(((AG)))]

Dan,
I am curious about the difference between the bar and the "stage". The pictures I've seen of the stage show that it is not as high as the bar. The narrow pic of Natalee shows the young man leaning on something as though it's the bar. The stage isn't configured that way.

The person supplying the pictures may be able to clear that up. I have heard of people up on the actual bar.

[realitybased]

Dan, it is the bar...it's not the stage...why the need to say it's the stage?

Of course the same question as everyone else...why the cropping?

I notice in your inset that her bra is slightly showing...it does the same thing in one of those group shots from the beach too.

[Jessie]

Those pictures are the most interesting and enlightening things that have been entered into evidence on this case. Excellent find young man.

[Kelley]

You can see the booze bottles in the background. If she was up on a stage, they wouldn't be directly in back of her. Next time you go to a bar, take a look. The bottles are lined up behind the bar so the patron can pick his poison.

[Kelley]

You can see the booze bottles in the background. If she was up on a stage, they wouldn't be directly in back of her. Next time you go to a bar, take a look. The bottles are lined up behind the bar so the patron can pick his poison.

[Kelley]

Sorry for hitting the post button x2.

[Stumped]

She is on the bar as the bottles behind her show that. The man looking at her at the bar is not the man in the doorway, unless he changed his shirt and grew hair that night. Also, I think the girl in the doorway is not Natalee, the hair only seems to be skimming her shoulders. Natalee's hair is longer. JMO.

[JL]

the stage is actually right next to the bar

[Dan]

Not sure clint - I usually do. If you wish to resend - feel free.

As to the rest of the stuff - I'm getting weary of all the questioning of my motivation and facts.

She's ON THE STAGE - period - confirmed, fact, end of story. I said it because I have no doubt looking at a multitude of pictures from THAT night - where tables were, even beer bottles ON the tables. She is on the stage.

As to any cropping - what you see of Natalee and the other girl's skirt is the end of the photo - it isn't cropped. Tourists take pictures of themselves - these kids were just there.

The image is cropped on the other side as there is no good reason to broadcast a bunch of faces belonging to uninvolved people around the club that night, or the centerpiece of a picture they have been kind enough to share with you so you can have some more information.

And of all people, you RsTj, frankly, you're a studpid ungrateful SOB without the sense to appreciate the work that's being done here ... you don't even have a right to ask questions of me at this point. Here, take a look at some of your recent comments:

Dan,
Less sermons, more news. RstJ

Christ, instead of actual case info, we get a pissing contest with FuxNews. Snore.
RstJ

Wow, they were drinking and acting wild that night. What a freaking revelation.
Dan, cut the fucking crap and get to the heart of the matter: that "scuffle." Who was involved, why, when, and what happened afterwards.
RstJ

You're a tool, Riehl. A fucking one-sided tool. Why don't you pick up your magic telephone and start getting some answers from the Alabama side? Because they've been less than forthcoming. How exactly is asking if she had a boyfriend or ex-boyfriend "smearing" the victim?

Congratulations. Scared Monkeys started to suck two days ago. Now you suck too. RstJ

And don't bother to try and respond from that IP RstJ - the vulgarity in that last comment was deleted and you've been ... CROPPED!! Heh!

Now pardon me, while I go rest my head on a grassy knoll.

[bamamom]

Hey Dan, I think you have been a wealth of valuable information...
Don't let it get ya!

[MrsJimiHendrix]

Dan

i believe you and you don't suck!!

JL

thank you for helping Dan!! you are great too

[bamamom]

Yesm and at least you didn't get blasted your second post by someone who said: What kind of STUPID name is bamamom?
I cried..this was my first exposure to a blog...and wasn't prepared for "TROLLS"....
LOL

[bamamom]

I liked bamamom, because I have four kids, and I live in bama...made sense to me:)

[RealPotential]

should I peek my head in here...

.....nope. guess not.
:(

[bamamom]

Ok I am beat I will catch up with guys later...night Mrs. Jimi!

[Dan]

No, its fine real potential - curiosity is good and so is questioning. But I'm not hiding anything. If I had a full clear picture of anyone involved in this at C and C that night, I would post it. But this all takes hours of work and sometimes the nerves get a little frayed when everything is met with such attitude from some.

[Anna]

Realitybased,
That is Natalee's swim suit under her clothing. Girls do that all the time near the beach. She did not likely change from that afternoon.

I wonder if that has been reported or verified with the family as to what articles of clothing are missing. Did she have a white swim suit and if so is it missing as well?

[Dan]

The white is the same white in the picture at the beach earlier that day - because it is the same picture. I clipped out a small relevant segment and turned it 40 degrees to show the match of the outfit.

[MrsJimiHendrix]

Yesm and at least you didn't get blasted your second post by someone who said: What kind of STUPID name is bamamom?
I cried..this was my first exposure to a blog...and wasn't prepared for "TROLLS"....
LOL

Posted by: bamamom | July 23, 2005 01:44 AM

BAMAMOM

I remember that!! i stuck up for you, do you remember

i said from your friend CaliforniaMOM!!

[BeFuddled]

Hi Dan
Hey.... don't know if this has been mentioned to you before or not....
I am not sure the individual that appears to be looking at the "natalee by the door" pic is the same as the other two pics.....
I ran some photo programs to clear the images up...
and..... the gentleman next to the stage where natalee is dancing... appears to be the same guy next to Joran in the "Joran group" pic that you posted the same time....
My resolutions and color schemes show the same skin tone and shirt color (however it is blurry in the pic next to Joran)....look also at the chin and the "facial lines" ...
Going to check some other pics posted online to see if I can make a comparison....
no i'm not a freak...just consumed...
Thank you for your site and all you give to others!

[Jessie]

The probability of that NOT BEING Natalee AND her girl friend in that photo is as remote as the duct tape/blond hair find BEING related to this case. Any jury with an IQ above room temperature would conclude that that IS NH and her friend in the photo.

[Nuke Aruba]

Still say Daddee Sloot is involved...in the festivities and the cover-up...Kalpoes played pinball with Natalee too...I believe and always did..Natalee was at the Sloot casa...I think BH does too...the phone call to the Sloot casa while BH and Greta were there maybe have been to get sound of the phone ring on tape for comparision...whatever happened to the "retired" Aruban detective who was dropping disinformation?

[speaker]

guys and gals here is a hypotetical question i have been struggling with the initials LE please enlighten me LE = ???

as for the photos, here is another hypothetical question they can be altered with photoshop and many different software programs...people can be inserted into a photo and taken out...much rather look at video tapes they reveal time stamps and minute per minute movements...what are the chances someone was there with a camcorder?..apart from the bars own cam which we will never get to view...

next question is what if we are just a tad bit accusing and the accused is not the culprit??
however, we do know that justice was impeding, and being biased.. new thoughts and your thoughts on these are welcome...peace to the world

[CC]

law enforcement? i deduced that one alone ;)

[CC]

Speaking of definitions I don't even know what a troll is, I can guess, my tiger dashboard dictionary says it's someone who posts misinformation to provoke a reaction-Is that really it?

[Anna]

LE = Law Enforcement. Yes, CC, that is a good definition of a troll. Some, however, on this blog seem to think it means anybody who disagrees with them! :-)

If the accused is not the culprit I assume he will not be charged and will come forth and tell the truth for a change. Any harm to him so far comes from his own lying alone and has obstructed the locating of the true culprit.

JMHO = Just My Humble Opinion

[gallowaygirl aka mojo]

lol bamamom!

I remember when that poster attacked your name....the moron didn't get the geographical reference and read something a little 'odd' into your name...believe he/she was reading it 'bam-a-mom'. I laughed because that person was such a fool... now I'm sorry I didn't realize you were upset by that. I would have offered words of encouragement.

People need to be just a bit more respectful and appreciative on this blog I do believe.

[Sunny]

next question is what if we are just a tad bit accusing and the accused is not the culprit??

Posted by: speaker | July 23, 2005 02:14 AM

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That's possible, Speaker. IF the boys and/or Papa Sloot would actually come forth and tell what happened that night - what REALLY happened then we would know just what their involvement was and if authorities should be looking at others. Or, maybe we are looking at the right culprits. It seems obvious that the Sloots and Kalpoes are not squeaky clean, and perhaps as dirty as they come.

Every morning when I wake up, first thing I do is come here hoping to see Dan's latest entry saying "Natalee Has Been Found," or that someone has confessed. One day that just might happen...

[Nuke Aruba]

Inoocent people dont change their story (Joran)..innocent people don't hide their faces(Kalpoes)..innocent people dont run away from reporters and cameras(PVDS)...anybody heard the story that an Aruban polis told BH to wait at Carlo's & Charlie's for the happy hour and Beth would show up when BH said her daughter was missing?...supposedly happened at the Polis station..

[annie]

Dan, thanks for the 45 degree inset. That made a huge difference in determining whether it was her on the stage/bar. Definitely her clothing and appears to be her hair and shape of her arm so I say yes it is her. I appreciate the work you did on that. These photos were quite a coup and definitely more interesting facts that anything else being rumored around. I would love to see any other pictures these people might have had that might have captured these kids. Is there any possiblity they got any outside shots of people leaving at closing?

[hobo]

Dan--you're a fine person with a very big heart; don't waste time responding to the 'aggravators' and 'annoyers'. We need your help to keep the information flowing on behalf of our precious Natalee because once "news" becomes old, the heat dies down and pressure to resolve the problem diminishes. In my opinion, your work is critical to Beths efforts to resolve this problem--you're an angel with a horn, blow it loudly and step up the volume.
Still waiting for an address to send some $$.$$ for your work.
Praying for Natalee, the hobo.

[Chelsblu]

it's the bar. Higher resolution you can see that it has a stainless steel top, higher, folks aren't sitting around stage in other comparison photos plus in higher resolution you can see liquor bottles behind it. Not that it matters, but It's the bar.

[speaker]

very very true...morals and a conscience was thought to us that we should tell the truth, nothing but the truth...so help me god! but then we have our laws that are so twisted, and little details can still get you into hot water despite your good intentions...ie as a society we are too quick to point fingers at someone just because he she may be homeless and sleeping in the alley, or leading a wild life of booze and drugs without ever committing any murders...then you have someone like father john who swore on the bible he will not engage in sex, yet father john was sodomizing the altar boys...but my mother said father john can be trusted because he is man of valor...sheesh!

just watched a man on death row for nine years who was innocent, and another man comitted the murder...first man got implicated simply because of cooperating with the police, who was in a hurry to charge someone, and simply what he said they nailed him..he cried like a baby and maintained his innocence all throughout..he cried like a child when released and said he can handle anything but his mom died and he never was able to see her..there is a many that are walking around who are killers, and many who are in prison and never comitted crimes...ugh you all know what i'm saying...i'm not here to try and change your opinions or thoughts, you are entitled to your opinions...however, i'm beginning to question this now, if the corruption has impeded this investigation and there is more people that should have been looked and talked to..unless they have strong evidence that the accused are the culprits who comitted this heinous crime...just tossing thoughts here, as always feel free to add...but i'm a bit frustrated and those people deserting natalee make me sad....peace to all

[blue]

A lot of bars have mirrors...could that be a factor?

[wacoan]

Speaker, I agree with your every word. I think that we all want truth and punish the guilty. In my opinion the delay in this case is the lack of true statements from Natalee's friends back home. I am a parent that has gone through the HS graduations and kids going off to celebrate. I worried myself silly waiting for them to come back. Probably like Beth and Jug and Dave, I thought it was time for them to step out and meet the real world. And, like so many other parents I warned them. Happily they came back without a scatch but with something of a hang-over. That's fine, I did it myself when I was young. The problem that I am having is Natalee's friends not being more involved. All 124 should have stayed in Aruba until the LE opened their eyes and looked for NH, right away. And, I am p.o. that the kids aren't coming forward and telling all. Their parents will surely forgive them of any wrong doing by being honest. I believe Natalee would be hurt if she only knew how her friends have reacted.
Go guys, let's keep after those clowns in Aruba... not the civilians but the LE. People who have nothing to hide, hide nothing.

[Kay]

Dan, there is always a critic of someone's work --don't let it get you down! Keep up the GREAT work cause we need you and so does this case!!!!

[!]

~Well I will try to truthful and nice to the idiots at the same time. ~lol~
You case please most of the people most of the time,
but...you can't please all the people all of time.
Just tell the moaners and groaners to kiss your grits Dan. ~lol~

Keep up the excellent work!! As always. Thanks for all you do.
:O)

[joetwopoles]

Dan,

I had a lot of questions about the photos-- crops and the like-- but hope you know I never questioned you're integrity for posting them. You do a great job, and we appreciate it !

Twopoles

[millie]

Dan

I have been reading with interest. You are doing
a great job. I have been told that eyes are the
window of the soul. Everytime I see the clip of PVDS leaving the p. station, I watch his eyes and they look like a deer caught in the headlights.

[newsjunkie]

the pictures arnt cropped, they are video footage, and that is probably all that was in the footage to show...

[clintcarter]

No doubt the Mt. Brook kids have each been questioned, with those most interesting being questioned more and most everyone doing their utmost to tell the truth (exc. perhaps drug use by themselves ;-) ). Their silence in public could be a pact of honor.

The lack of a public record is part of what makes this forum possible. I've been realizing that the girlfriend I've been looking for has got to have told the FBI everything she knows.

Has the FBI told the Arubans everything they know?

[ORmom]

Didn't the FBI interview all of the students and chaperones who were on the trip? I'd hope that they would know about and then follow up on any of the students who have changed their stories.

[GAmom]

After looking at the pictures from inside C&C's that were posted yesterday, I think she is on the stage and not the bar.

[disappointedinUS]

Doesn't matter where she stands. Point is the girlfriend lee has possibly been with her till closing time.

Question: why did she let NH go with joran, what
was the "ambiance" that night.
Question: why doesn't greta interview of this
lady.
Question: is FBi practising the same "tactique"
as the AuA LE, f.e.knowing much more
than letting lose.

[Lone War Eagle]

Dan,

Thanks for the additional, outstanding work on the pictures!

You are doing an exemplary job with this---please post more if you can!

Thanks again for this blog and all you do!

Cheers,

Lone War Eagle

[NevadaMom]

Dan,

I thought the pictures were an excellent contribtution to this messed up and confusing case! Has anyone ever posted a picture of Lorenzo? Has anyone interviewed Lee B.? was she the other girl who liked Joran?

[GAmom]

Doesn't matter who was with Natalee or who let her leave with Joran. Doesn't matter what the ambiance was and doesn't matter whether Great interviews anyone.

Point is Natalee Holloway left with Joran and the brothers and hasn't been seen since.

Point is all three have told lie after lie.

Interviewing Lee is not going to bring Natalee back and I doubt it will give insight as to what the three did with her after they left.

And all LE including the FBI withholds evidence from the public when investigating a crime.

The point is not that the Arubians are witholding evidence, the point is that they did not hold the three when they first brought them in and that they did not search and gather evidence on them then.

[k.jeanne]

Thanks Dan, for everything! I did try to view the picture/s from JL, with two different browsers, but each time it times out. :(

Don't let the riff-raff get you down!

Jeanne