Phone Calls And Messages

Conversation and confusion continue around what, if any cell phone calls may have been placed that night, not simply between the suspects, but possibly between the suspects, and / or Natalee and other parties and trip attendees from Mountain Brook High School.

While I will continue to post what I have learned from speaking with reliable sources with a genuine or direct knowledge of events, I must also continue to caution readers that accumulating one larger more solid truth from reading the grains of sand that can be provided by a group of teenagers more caught up in this tragedy than observers must be read in context.

Clearly a combination of factors including - some individuals state of mind that night and after wards; an obvious over-indulgence in alcohol and possibly drugs, including Ecstasy by some in attendance at Carlos and Charlies; a necessarily secretive investigation and a desire by some to not discuss certain events that 1) may not sit well with family and friends and 2) may not always be remembered clearly due to the haze of partying, all combine to confound the unraveling of the mystery behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

As regards phone calls what I have learned from a reliable source is that at least two calls are said to have been placed by individuals on Aruba during the late night hours of the first evening of Natalee Holloway's disappearance. The calls were missed, either because phones were deactivated, or because of the poor performance of certain cell phones on the island of Aruba.

One male, said to be a close friend of Natalee Hollway discovered a message as he was riding home to Mountain Brook on a bus with other students and some chaperones. While I'm unable to verify the originating number of the call, I've been told it was not thought to be the cell phone of Natalee Holloway.

The message could not be clearly made out by ear and was characterized as being garbled "Aruban" voices. The call is said to have been originated in the "middle of the night" on the first evening of Natalee's disappearance.

A second "missed call" message is said to have been discovered by a female friend and possible vacation roommate of Natalee Holloway while flying home with the group from Aruba. The two groups of students mentioned were on separate flights.

As reported earlier, it is has been said that the remaining chaperone did use Natalee Holloway's cell phone the next day to reach her friends for more information that might have helped in finding Natalee early on in her disappearance. While that timing suggests the second call could have been placed by the chaperone, one source insists the missed call message was time stamped at 4 AM the previous night. That information has not been corroborated.

Attempts to clarify the circumstances surrounding Natalee's cell phone usage for the trip, specifically did she rent an alternate cell phone, as is common practice for some while visiting Aruba, were met with a no comment from one likely phone provider.

It is possible she had an additional phone resulting in some confusion as to where her cell phone was at any point in time. Also, the time stamp of the missed call from her phone could have been misinterpreted or reported incorrectly from the owner of the phone. It is assumed that authorities have verified those issues.

In the first instance above the young man notified a chaperone upon receiving the phone message and students quickly began to surmise that cell phones and any possible messages could become relevant to any potential investigation. I've been told that at that point most if not all phones were switched off and handed in, presumably to be handed over to investigating authorities.

I have no information as regards other possible phone messages left with anyone linked to this case.

Comments

[Concerned]

Thanks, wreck. I did not want to be a victim of identity theft. LOL

[Chuck]

I think that a posse of real Americans including Jug, Toby Keith, Lee Greenwood, Charlie Daniels, and Peyton Manning need to head to Aruba to show those Dutchman that THESE COLORS DON'T RUN!

[Concerned]

Greta is on Geraldo as we speak.

[Dan]

Know you how, concerned? Hope this aint a question of biblical proportions??

[Chuck]

Greta is on Geraldo as we speak.

Posted by: Concerned | July 16, 2005 10:36 PM

Eeewwww! That's not an image I want to think about.

[Chuck]

As long as Jug is down there not taking guff from the Arubans we still have hope.

You go, Jug!

[Concerned]

Do you know as blog manager thatI am really me??

[sam]

LOL "carving out"
LOL "phony taxi"
LOL "natalee sober"
LOL "date rape drug"
LOL "what this blog is about"

Dan Riehl deserves all the credit for starting to post "REAL" news without having to "preserve a special image of Natalee (and it is not blaming the victim).

This blog is about NEWS... Riehl is showing that he is a REPORTER... does anyone else get that? A reporter. He reports the WHOLE story, not some sweetened up bunch of lies to create a false image of anyone. What happened, happened and if that included "body shots" or "out of their mind drunkeness," then the story needs telling.

Dan looks like he is about to take back the blog from those who had an agenda to literally take over the blog comments section by countering (and attacking the poster) any negative speculation that didn't paint Natalee as a non-participant in wild partying on her final night in Aruba. My favorite was the fiction called "carving out."

Keep it up Dan... don't compromise the truth.

[Chuck]

“If they let them walk on this island after what Beth and I know. There is a lot of information that we have that we cannot share because it would jeopardize the investigation but if they let them walk we can share it and it will be devastating. The United States and the whole world will be amazed”. - Jug Twitty

This remark gives me hope!

[P in S.E.Asia]

tideroller,

it amazes me that u interprete my posts as my "willingness to close my eyes to crime committed in my region".

Never in any of my posts have i said that a crime was not commited, never have i ever attempted to shift the blame to Natalee. What i have done is respect and advocate the right of a young man who to me APPEARS innocent based on the facts i have heard since i started following this case.

when someone will provide some facts convincingly implicating Joran, then i will assign guilt, for now he remains guilty in my book of doin three things:

- lying to the police - possibly obstruction of justice

- indirectly inflicting anguish on the black security guards and their families

- not honouring his responsibility of seein Natalee back to her hotel entrance or hotel room

For those i think he should pay n not for anything else as yet. im not really a fan of circumstancial evidence - i prefer hard facts. and i knwo what judging a book by it's cover can lead to - im a black male in a asian muslim country. so i know

[Chuck]

Sam,

Dan is not a reporter. He's just a good old fashioned red-blooded American, just like me and Jug!

[concerned American mom and teacher]

Concerned

Sorry for any confusion. I am not trying to steal your identity. I will change my name if it will make you feel better.

[Concerned]

Beth just said that a DEA officer who was with her the first day on Aruba and witnessed PVDS JVDS and Kalpoes and The Aruban LE did not take a statement from him which Beth believes would have expedited the investigation!!
What the heck!

[Chuck]

I heard that a bunch of Sierra Club environmentalists wouldn't let Equusearch take their dogs into an area of interest because it "threatened a species of woodpecker".

If true, what a bunch of liberal, environmental nonsense!

[sam]

Chuck wrote:
"Dan is not a reporter."

Yes, Dan is a reporter, but not JUST a reporter, perhaps the most respected Newsblogger on the web. He double checks his sources and "reports" breaking news.

I think that has been the problem with so many of these opportunistic posters who thought that the comments section was a place where they could "create" the news. I say... get your own blog and quit sabotaging this one (this one is for REAL news).

[Concerned]

Thanks "ConcernedAmericanMomandTeacher". I also am a mom and a teacher :-)
I just want bloggers to know we are two separate people.

[tideroller]

P in SE Asia - I don't think we can consider someone 'rude' who is confronting the last person seen alive with their missing daughter who has left a phone message pleading for help. I, although, quite an anti-violence person think that both Beth and Jug displayed great composure in not throwing both Papa and Junior on the ground and kneeing them in the back until they 'fessed up' where their daughter was.

[michele in bham]

****sOMEONE SAID "They wondered if it came from N, but could not determine who it was from."***

Here is the deal, my cell logs all the numbers of all my incoming calls.

Don't they all?

[Dan]

Yes, Concerned ... um, to all not specifically "concerned" by any means ... smile .. chuckle ... relax some and be less paranoid. This is the Internet. You use appropriate means to shield your identity as you should. You can't start to worry about every new name that comes along. Say your piece, read what you want as from a cafeteria and keep moving. It's the nature of the beast out here. Not perfect, but wonderfully freeing until you start to want the safety and security of identity you would expect from a cocktail party. Ain't gonna happen, not no how, not no way.

Loosen up, read, learn and chat ... but if the pursuit of information and knowledge isn't enjoyable, it becomes less worthwhile.

[Chuck]

Sam,

I am a huge Dan fan! Just like I am a huge Jug fan!

[DT]

So is your next piece going to be posted tonight?

[Chuck]

DT,

Leave Dan alone, for crying out loud! He is a good, hardworking American doing his best to keep us posted on the latest. Let this one gather 200 comments or so before you start nagging at him.

Jeez!

[tideroller]

Sam - Dan's report does not, in any way refute any of the items on your list and may, indeed, bolster them. No one said that Natalee had not been drinking. Her behavior upon leaving, as described, by the as yet only witnesses to describe the exiting, is that of a person who has just been slipped a date-rape drug. The fact that Joran caught up with her, while Dpak picked them up at the curb (just like a taxi) fits in perfectly with a carving out and a well-rehearsed one at that. This was not their first time to prey on American tourists evidently. If she participated in the partying at CnC's, while not my personal idea of entertainment certainly does not put a stain on her virtue. Your desperation to disblame Joran in face of all indications otherwise is pitiable.

[NevadaMom]

As I was watching Geraldo (he needs a new hair cut soon) I was struck about the need to contact both mothers of the suspects.

Therefore I propose an open letter writing campaign to Joran's mom Anita and the Kalpoe's mom Nadia. Here is my suggestion.

Dear Anita and Nadia,

Inlight of the proven lies told by your sons, we ask you as Mothers and Fathers of all nations, to come forward and expose your children's true acitivities to the Aruban court of Law. If they are innocent then they need to finally tell the truth and prove it. Your love for them may blind you to possible mistakes, but you must demand that your sons tell the truth finally in the good of the missing innocent girl, the Aruban island, the United States populace and for the good of all those who have missing loved ones. Anita and Nadia, if your sons are truly innocent they have nothing to fear.

What would either one of you expect if one of your sons was missing in the same fog of conjecture, lies and misinformation?

On behalf of parents, sisters, brothers, grandparents and citizens of the world I urge you to demand the end of this pathetic round of lies. Demand that your children speak the truth even if it results in a measure of punishment.

The United States and People all over see Natalee as their daughter. This crime has transcended international boundaries. It is not about Aruba vs. the United States, it is about good versus evil or truth versus falsehood.

I ask you Anita and Nadia, to search your souls and those of your children, if they are innocent you can help all of us. You at least have your children, Beth and David do not.

Live with the guilt or can you?

[DT]

Leave him alone? I didn't know he was so pressed for time that he was unable to answer a question. Asking one qusetion isn't exactly what I would call "nagging," anyone who thinks it is needs thicker skin.

[tideroller]

tideroller

Got it! That is what I was thinking. Also wondering how easy it would be to make a call to the US form a phone in Aruba.

Posted by: concerned American mom and teacher | July 16, 2005 10:23 PM

Concerned mom - I think they said that out of the 124 kids only one had a phone that worked in Aruba.

[BirminghamNative2000]

COLOR:
I have to agree, that back when I was in high school I always was with a group of my girlfriends whenever we went somewhere. Even now, though I am married and a good bit older, if I ever did have the chance to go out a trip with some close girlfriends, we would stay together or at least have two of us together at all times. Its just a safety issue. Some of my close girlfriends and I have talked about this story time and time again and we can NOT Figure out why in the world Natalee was without at least ONE other person!
I had a best guy friend when I was in high school to, and if he was with us anywhere we were ALWAYS together. He use to go on trips with my family when I was younger and we went everywhere together.
Anyway, I was just reponding to your question!!

[tideroller]

Nevada Mom - Beautiful! - can you send it as a letter to the editor to the papers down there?

[Concerned]

I guess "thanks" Dan. I am trying to figure blogging out as I go along. I read about trolls and others, so I was putting my concern out there in the event it was necessary.
Back to NH- I was impressed that Geraldo affirmed his presence and support to Beth. I am not crazy about him, but it was honorable and important that Beth be affirmed at this point.
I am puzzled by Kalpoes' mom's heartfelt conviction that Natalee is alive. That was wierd.

[Chuck]

I ask you Anita and Nadia, to search your souls and those of your children, if they are innocent you can help all of us. You at least have your children, Beth and David do not.

Live with the guilt or can you?

Posted by: NevadaMom | July 16, 2005 11:10 PM

You mention Beth and David. What about Jug? He views that girl as a daughter.

[tideroller]

P in SE Asia, Since you seem to have forgotten what you say, here are your exact words:

"luckily, such is not the case in the Caribbean. A murder will not be pinned on someone because of some strange statements and a few lies."

In light of the fact that the Aruban LE tried to pin the rap on the innocent black security guards based on Joran and the Bros.'s lies, your above statement above cannot, indeed, be consstrued as anything but an unwillingness to open your eyes to crime in your region. I rest my case.

[DennisAOK]

P in SE Asia,

What you agree Joran is guilty of all suggests further complicity in the disappearance of Natalee. A completely innocent person would not behave in this way. Thanks to the inept Aruban police, we do not have, and are unlikely to ever have, further evidence. FYI, circumstantial evidence can be powerful. Unfortunately, logic and competence do not seem to be in great supply in the Carribean.

[P in S.E.Asia]

tideroller,

i think u should apply for position in the Aruban LE to head the investigation (since u seem to have all the and even have the audacity to chastise someone for rendering Joran withouth fault at that moment), looks like the case woudl be simple open n closed book.

u actually enforced my point when u commented on the failure of the H/T family members not "forcing a confession" from the VDS family... What jstice coudl be had from a forced confession?

Unless the means to an end in this particualr scenario is just a culprit by any means necessary.

[CancunGirl]

Kalpoe mother's name is NADIRA.

Great letter Nevada mom. Great job!

[tideroller]

ChicaCancum - Andas por aqui tambien? Otra vez, Hola!

[Concerned]

NevadaMom~
i wonder how Jackie Peterson would have responded to a letter such as your? Denial and the maternal need to protect are the barriers to 20/20 vision of your children.

[CancunGirl]

tideroller:
Ando por aquí y por allá, por todos lados :)

[tideroller]

P in SE Asia - Relax, stop trying to put words in other people's mouths and stop trying to deny what you say! Be a bigger man than Joran and fess up, you're barking up the wrong tree.

[Chuck]

So tell me,

Did Thomas Twitty open a can of good ol' Bama-style whoop-a$$ (sorry for the language, Dan) on Joran in the casino? I'll bet he did!

[dutchgal]

chuck..i was wondering..how old are you?

[Chuck]

Dutchgal,

I am 22.

How old are you?

[dutchgal]

turned 21 in april

[P in S.E.Asia]

A paradox indeed.

On one hand u talk about an investigative approach to doin this while on the other u accuse the local authourities of willing to [[pin that on the security guards]] - for u information, the authorities arrested the guys as paet of the process of investigation. the evidence has suggested otehrwise and as such they have been set free. the evidence seems to suggest that Joran knows more than he is tellin - thus he has remained detained.

Bear in mind however, charges have not bet laid, thus the authorities KNOW that they have to respect his state of innocence. this is not GITMO where one does not have a say - Ironic though, GITMO is located on caribbean soil. but im sure u knwo the drill.

[Blue Dog]

My understanding is that Thomas Twitty is a lousy poker, can't handle his booze and is just your typical jock. Booze is the great equalizer. Nobody can really fight and all at like idiots no matter their background.

[realitybased]

I would think the Aruban LE would need to go through diplomatic channels in order to question a US government official. Maybe someone will know for sure?

[Chuck]

Where are you from in the Netherlands? I spent a summer with my brother's wife's family in Breda a couple of years ago and had an opportunity to travel all over the country.

[DennisAOK]

Hubert MacKechnie,

I don't know where you live, but my local police force in Virgina is not corrupt. If something were to occur that suggested otherwise, the outcry form the media and public would soon correct the matter.

Unlike some here, I am not convinced that corruption expains the actions of the police in Aruba, although that may yet be shown. Rather, I see a small police force very much in over its head in this matter, one that should have swallowed its pride and invited the FBI in. Instead, they chose to handle matters themselves, and have botched the case. Natalee's family has had to suffer for it. This makes me very angry. You should be as well, and not saying, in effect, that corruption is everywhere and there is little anyone can do about it.

[P in S.E.Asia]

and with that i bid u a good day. my words have remained constant over time. ain't no goin back on my words.

- granted the aforementioned areas of guilt could suggest further guilt of an even greater offence BUT it coudl also be a function of being under a lot of pressure to protect one's innocence.

we both will see how this pans out. Im still gonna hope that all families get their children back, dead or alive.

[Chuck]

Here is a photo of him. I hardly believe he can't fight! He looks like a man who can handle himself, just like Uncle Jug! I'll bet that he doesn't eat tofu for dinner!

http://studentsports.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=29274&sport=1

[sam]

Sadly, tideroller when it comes to "creating news" you are the biggest offender. I spent about an hour or so reading several of the comment threads. My, my... you need help. Walk away from the computer. You really are dedicated to debate every single post that doesn't want to convict Joran without evidence (or any which provides any insight into Natalee's behavior.

I think the truth is that, based on the true evidence, as the poster P in S.E.Asia said:
Joran is at best guilty of:
Quote from P in S.E.Asia:
- lying to the police - possibly obstruction of justice

- indirectly inflicting anguish on the black security guards and their families

- not honouring his responsibility of seein Natalee back to her hotel entrance or hotel room.

End quote.

Yes, that is the case. Innocent until proven guilty. I am a red-blooded American too, and I don't believe in fanning up a mob frenzy with wild speculation (taxi? carving out? get real).

In many of your previous posts you accuse others of an agenda. Obviously,you have the agenda on this blog. You are from Alabama (hence the crimson tide reference) and obviously, you have set about to attack Joran's innocence and create a false image of Natalee as some kind of Mother Teresa. You often accuse others of being paid. Sounds like the pot calling the kettle, a cooking utensil... It just takes a few minutes to call up the comments archives, one by one, and just search for "tideroller," not reading the posts, just seeing how many times and what frequency.. you are on just about 24 hours a day (very little sleep time)... and if I stop and read any of yours, you are non-stop at creating false images of Natalie and attempting to create a phony case against an innocent man with no evidence whatsoever and attacking any poster who ever presents any theory which might vindicate Joran or say the truth about the the situation surrounding the partiers

Thank goodness, they have a judicial code down there similar to ours and your efforts will be in vain. The truth will come out and all your fiction will remain just what it is... nonsense.

Sam