Natalee Holloway Left Carlos And Charlies With Deepak

In what was a controversial story at the time, I reported that Natalee Holloway left Carlos and Charlies with Deepak Kalpoe and not Joran Va der Sloot. In addition to sources used for that first report, I have now confirmed through another independent witness that the report was in fact accurate.

In attempts to re-construct the time-line for the night of Natalee Holloway's disappearance, it now seems that she did leave first with Joran Van der Sloot - but the two did not walk off together immediately.

At some point after most of Natalee's friends drifted away, Joran v d Sloot and Satish Kalpoe are thought to have left the front of the club, perhaps to return to Deepak's car.

Natalee then went back inside the club very briefly before emerging with the elder Kalpoe brother, who, as previously reported, was said to have been holding her by the arm. That has been described as non-romantic in nature and more consistent with an effort to assist one as they walk. At some point during that time period an unidentified Mountain Brook student is reported to have asked her if she was "Okay." It's believed she responded that she was.

The two are said to have been observed walking up the street from C and C some 80 to 100 yards, passing by the other nightclubs on the street until at or through a nearby intersection. At some point time after they disappeared from view, the three boys and Natalee Holloway are reported to have come back through the area, all seated in the car of Deepak Kalpoe. The car containing Natalee Holloway is said to have been observed by another Mountain Brook student who was located upon the porch of another nightclub.

Comments

[Pearl]

Dan good job, but what about the other student?

They saw with who Natalee left?

[Pearl]

In front C&C we have a big hotel in construction. Do you know if they check in that hotel?

[JL]

great stuff dan. rearrest?

[linda]

Does this now fit with the original report that Natalee left with a drug dealer?

[annie]

great stuff dan. rearrest?

Posted by: JL | July 31, 2005 09:41 PM

Unfortunately he won't get re-detained over that. I doubt they will consider that enough "evidence" to detain him. UGH!

Thanks Dan for the update and clarification. SO basically both sets of witness statements are true, depending on what time you saw her leave (first time or second). Makes sense.

[BeFuddled]

What was the "greeting"?

[BeeBee]

A male MB student saw Joran and Natalee actually get into the vehicle that was out front.....

[pearl]

Today a pass in front C&C and you can go with your vehicle in that construction.

[DennisAOK]

This in itself is not damaging to Deepak.

[dave]

Didn't one of the MB students say she asked Natalee if she was "ok" when she was by Joran?

[k.jeanne]

Dan: I am trying to jog my memory...wasn't there an account from Satish as to how he sat alone in the car at C&C's waiting for Joran, Deepak, and Natalee? I think he gave the order in which they arrived to the car? There have been so many stories, I can't remember exactly. I am wondering if that past story from Satish confirms this new information?

[Canada Goose]

It seems incredulous that if someone actually did see a body being dumped at a garbage dump, wouldn't you make an effort to return to the exact spot and actually take a better look, when the dumpsters party had left,then call authorities? Why would anyone just call the police first, without looking? A sane person would look more closely. Hmmmm.... that million dollar reward is bringing out the shysters. However, if he did call police immediately, why wasn't the body found. It is apparent that justice will not be meted out to those 3 young men or the father. I will NEVER visit Aruba after this incident, knowing that the police have done a major cover-up and bungled the case and their arrogance not to allow the FBI to truly participate and give direction, has scared me off this island paradise FOREVER. Shame on Van Der Straaten and the police force.

And why the hell, do the police not obtain a search warrant to check out the well on VDS residence? What is with that? Oh, PVDS is one of their buddies, I get it. This cover-up will never be solved. My heart goes out to the Holloway family. Shame on Deepak and Satish and Joran and Paul. May God's judgement be the one they are most afraid of.
Canada Goose

[RJ]

Guys Shango is real. Stop thinking politically and start thinking geographically.

[DennisAOK]

Dave,

Yes. That was the girl interviewed by Bill O'Reilly and Greta.

[annie]

Dan: I am trying to jog my memory...wasn't there an account from Satish as to how he sat alone in the car at C&C's waiting for Joran, Deepak, and Natalee? I think he gave the order in which they arrived to the car? There have been so many stories, I can't remember exactly. I am wondering if that past story from Satish confirms this new information?

Posted by: k.jeanne | July 31, 2005 10:03 PM

I remember that interview as well where that was stated as well. Too many conflicting stories.

[Shari]

Fox- diario reporter got a copy of the early police report in which Joran had stated that Deepak raped and killed Natalee.

[RJ]

they were at pond after cncs. Why? it is the gateway.

[Granny Toad]

It's Joran still in jail on suspicion of murder.

Don't we just wish we knew what the evidence is. All we know is that it's said it's not strong enough to charge him with murder. Best rumor I've found is that it's a text message.

We'll take a shoe or anything. I suspect Joran may have found it & got rid of it, if it were ever lost. Maybe it's in the cesspool.

[Ladonna]

I have come to the conclusion that this case may never be solved. I'm not sure of who is guilty or not guilty anymore either. ( Their justice system is about as messed up as ours here in the states! ) or at least where I live anyway!
Where on that tiny island can you hide a body from 2,000+ searchers? Doesn't make any sense to me........

~~Love, Thoughts, and Prayers to Natalee Holloway's Family and Friends~~

[k.jeanne]

Annie: Was it in an email that Satish sent to a friend giving his account of that night?

[Granny Toad]

This week there will be summary proceedings. We don't know what day they will be in court. The defense attys will be objecting to the FBI getting all court documents and other documents.

So basically they don't want the FBI having a hand in this - they are tired of the FBI butting in?
"There is no legal grounds for a foreign authority to get involved in the investigation".
"There is a fine margin in between an advisory role and investigative action" That is what the defense is saying. "They can not safe guard in this manner and they can not see whether the investigative techniques or the interrogation techniques of the FBI are according to OUR law."
As you know we have many different rules about how a subject is viewed in our laws.

Posted by: BamaLady | July 31, 2005 09:49 PM

Gosh. I tried to translate that into English. I think it said they don't like all the investigation going on because they only want to play by Dutch Rules.

[Jessie]

Oh, and while the King was looking down The jester stole his thorny crown.

The courtroom was adjourned, No verdict was returned.

The players tried for a forward pass
With the jester on the sidelines in a cast.

We all got up to dance Oh, but we never got the chance

'Cause the players tried to take the field, The marching band refused to yield.

Do you recall what was revealed, The day the music died?

And as I watched him on the stage, my hands were clenched in fists of rage; No angel born in hell, could break that Satan's spell.

And as the flames climbed high into the night, To light the sacrificial rite
I saw Satan laughing with delight.

And the three men I admire most The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast.
The day the music died.

[TexasGal]

Jessie-That is absolutely the best song ever written in my opinion.

[ExGman]

that Jossey is a complete idiot with no credibility; he should get NO COVERAGE.

[TexasGal]

that Jossey is a complete idiot with no credibility; he should get NO COVERAGE.

Posted by: ExGman

Yep correct me if I am wrong but did I just hear him say that they are "looking for one shoe or two"? I mean which is it, ONE or TWO?

[birmingham dog]

And what about these mtn brook kids ? What about drinking responsibly, what about not seeing Natalee leave with anyone? What about, would never let Natalee leave with someone? I think they should be SERIOUSLY changing their FOCUS on the Mtn Brook Kids......obviously the direction of the current invstigation has Not brought any forward motion to finding Natalee. maybe some of you ought to think the reason the Plice are not having any suvccess is that Hey are Looking at the Wrong people.
And lastly the Twitys Know Way More that would HELP this case than they are letting be know, and their knowledge does NOT Invlove any Arubans.

GWD

[Cindi in PA]

And the three men I admire most The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost
They caught the last train for the coast.
The day the music died.

Posted by: Jessie | July 31, 2005 10:21 PM

Jessie
I believe you said it better than Shango!

[insane]

Isn't that the reason why at last mrs. Twitty returned to MB? I suggest she starts questioning the HS friends.

[dave]

The people who suggest the MB kids had something to do with this are absurd. WE've got the right people, now we just need something concrete to nail them down for good.

[insane]

dave, you'v got nothing

[dave]

Really, I don't?

Listen the FBI has already interviewed these kids, and have concluded there is no reason to suspect them. Joran on the other hand has done everything in his power to make himself look guilty and we have plenty of evidence to suggest he was involved, otherwise he wouldn't be in jail. I don't know what happened to Natalee, but I know Joran does and that the MB kids don't.

[complex brian]

id like to know how it is that joran leaves and presumably gets into the car with satish while deepak goes in and gets a girl for him. a girl who apparently joran wasn't showing much interest in in front of other people, yet somehow he claims to have had consensual sex with? i mean the interesting thing with this likely timeline of events is that were satish and deepak really this much of a group of lapdogs to joran that they come and pick him up, track down a girl for him whom he could of brought to the car himself, and drive them around the island so joran can get laid? the kalpoes are in fact older than joran no matter how you cut it, whose more charming, whos better looking, etc. is irrelevant. they are older...would they really need to be jorans little lapdogs unless there was something in it for all three.

no, no...theres something much sinister to this mess and it starts with the fact the deepak was taking her out of CNC by the arm. is it possible that it was by force, its been said deepak was very confrontational with the MB kids unlike joran. did he threaten natalee to leave with them under his breath or lure natalee under the guise of being able to tell her where joran went to? like a switch and bait almost. what are the typical tecniques/actions used by spotters who "carve" girls out (aside from drugging)?

[Sly2SmoothieNJS]

Can I ask, does anyone know, which family has higher respect as far as residential status goes in Aruba, the Kalpoe bros or JVD? Yes, there is a good reason for me to ask this.

Also Canada Goose:

Didn't you realize, that until the FBI took over this Investigation, that we don't has any idea what waactually reported right away, was swept underthe carpet and what was truly "just" reported? And if I were a minority, ex-patriate, or lower-ranking citizen in a country such as this one, I would have possibly gone home,walked in my house, shut my blinds, locked my windows and doors up tight and hid a closet due to the fact that my word, no matter how true it may be, would never be taken into considration over someone more important than myself. There is a fear amd high risk of loosing all they have by opening their mouth unless asked too.
I have lived in a country of Monarchy and it is sad how low people without power are treated, especially when you are an not a natural born citizen.

No inslut was meant by this, just a fact and NO speculation was meant also...thanks,

S2S

[Jessie]

AS I commented in another subject are:

This is no longer about a criminal investigation and evidence. This is all about pshchological warfare. It is unlikely that there will be any new evidence and no new creditable witnesses produced in this case by this new team. It will be interesting to see when and if the government shuts this circus down.

[nursemind]

Hey Canada Goose.....I'd go to Aruba tonight if I didn't have to work in the morning! If people banned countries because of unsolved cases of missing people assumed to be dead, no one would EVER come to the U.S. And remember, the FBI can't run the whole case.....this is still Aruba.

[Jon]

ALANA JORDAN: The last time I saw Natalee, we were leaving the club, and a friend of mine went back to the club because we were going to make sure that no one got left because we were leaving at closing. And we ran into her and asked her if she was OK. And she said yes and indicated that she was going back to the hotel with some other Mountain Brook students.

O'REILLY: So you saw her when the club was closing. Was she intoxicated?

O'REILLY: So you saw her when the club was closing. Was she intoxicated?

JORDAN: She looked OK to me. I asked her if she was all right, and she said she was fine.

O'REILLY: Was there any...

JORDAN: And obviously, if I didn't believe her, then I wouldn't have let her go.

O'REILLY: All right. So she looked OK to you. She didn't look like she was weaving or sick or anything like that? She looked fine?

JORDAN: No.

O'REILLY: Was she with this Van Der Sloot guy?

JORDAN: Yes, she was.

It's possible that two different students asked her if she was OK at two different times. However, Alana's statement does appear to contradict Dan's annonymous report that she was asked that question while leaving with Deepak.

[blondbombshell]

I can assure you, Dan's report is accurate.

[birmingham dog]

I do NOT believe these Mtn Brook kids, They are the ones HIDING something, but what is it? Do any of find it odd that they left her behind, that she didnt have a very very best friend that would have stayed when she came up missing? Way Too many inconsistancies, IMHO. Seems too unreal.

GWD

[blondbombshell]

The kid has nothing to hide and has spoken to the FBI several times. Apparently, the FBI may deem the report or the person as something lacking credibility...........Saddly - it is what it is.

[bamaguy11]

birmingham dog

what are they hiding????

you really haven't figured this out yet...

they are hiding the fact that they drank and partied. they don't want to reveal this to their families & the world. they have told the fbi as much.

if you want to blame the mbhs students...fine

i think you are simply stirring the pot here. maybe you have a grudge against the "brookies."

[dave]

You guys are absolutely insane. How could they be hiding the fact that they were "drinking and partying"? They were at a bar you dipshits, of course their parents know they drank and partied. Do you really think their parents were so clueless that they didn't know the kids would be drinking at a place where the drinking age is 18? No one I have ever talked to from MB has tried to hide that they were drinking, NONE of the kids have ever done that. I firmly believe these kids have told everything they know to the FBI, and seriously doubt that they would hold any of this back from the FBI because they were afraid of what their parents would think.

[Jessie]

Some of the MBHS kids may have differing recolletions simply because they were drunk. Probably just a bunch of drunk kids trying out just what it was that happened the night before.
Been there, done that.
If they had known they were going to be asked about that last night in Aruba they might have written something down beforehand that probably have no resemblance to reality.

[bamaguy11]

dave,

easy...i'm on your side.

my parents had knowledge of my "bar hopping" but they didn't realize the extent of my drinking. that is completely normal behavior. doesn't make them bad people.

if you check the interviews on tv, the students stated if they drank a) they were of age, and b) responsiblly. i don't think all 124 students drank resposiblly.

and no, i don't think they are hiding ANYTHING from the fbi.

[((((elan))))]

the students said that they were drinking. they have not denied that. i did hear the one girl say drinking responsible, well when i was 18 responsible meant i wasn't seeing double yet. everybody needs to get a grip, i'm sure they spilled their guts to the fbi.

has deepak been charged with kidnapping yet?

[blondbombshell]

I have no grudge against "brookies" -

I graduated from Mt Brook myself and 2 of my 5 children thus far, are Mt. Brook graduates.

[dave]

bamaguy -

Sorry about the language, I was a bit angered by some of the people insinuating that the MB kids were the real culprits.

Only one of the kids has said drinking responsibly to my knowledge, and my problem is that the term "drinking responsibly" like the term drunk is subjective. I don't think that any of them are denying that people were drunk at the time. To them drinking responsibly may just mean not driving drunk, I've known people who would probably mean the same thing by it.

[Roy]

GWD, that was a long absence.
Welcome back.
What's up?

[Kap]

Why is everybody so quick to assume that this is true? There are some many conflicting stories about the events of C&C's, what makes this true because one other source says so? Please. I believe Dan is just trying to press his own theory about what who he thinks is the main culprit in this case. Dan has stated a few times that he thinks Deepak involvement is far deeper than many think. How could someone believe Joran when he has lied numerous times, including the very first night when he made up a story about Natalee dancing provocatively and doing drugs, etc. Give me a fing break.

[ChinbeardXIV]

Joran van der Sloot's (supposed) statements about someone (Deepak Kalpoe) raping and killing Miss Holloway do insinuate that: A) there is a murder to investigate, and B) there is obviously a strong reason to believe that JvdS knows the specifics. That said, it's hard to believe the MB students are at any fault...but...I do believe one (or more) knows more about events after the good-bye waves from the Kalpoemobile.

[Paulo]

Hi guys,

Top o' the morning to you! Good to see all is well here. Dan, thanks for clarifying this issue.

BamaLady: With the compilation of quotes, we all must remember that the FBI has been asked by the Aruban Prime Minister to be involved. Enough said.

Granny Toad: Just love the "Dutch Rules."

Pearl: Hang around please! You are far to valuable to leave. Email me if you wish.

I don't know if the Holloway-Twitty's have gone home to regenerate or because they know the bad news which I feel will be released this week.

Paulo