Natalee Holloway: Evidence And Untruth

This below was compiled by reader / commenter airam. I did some editing, nothing more. The question of evidence, or lack thereof in this case is obvious. And what there is, is circumstantial. To some extent, the information below deals with that, or at least good cause to question the boys' innocence.

As any untruth might pertain to some truth, I researched some of the stories told by the three boys.

Below are some of the untruths that the boys have told since the beginning. If you know of any others, just let airam me know in comments and she may add it to the list...

False Statement #1

Joran, Deepak and Satish drop Natalee off at the Holiday Inn, she stumbled out of the car and trips onto the ground. Joran tries to help her; she refuses and states “I can stand on my own”. They see the two security guards, drive away Deepak and Satish take Joran and go home.

False Statement #2 - Almost the same as #1 – but more detailed.

Deepak tells his Mother that he and Satish were giving Joran and Natalee a ride to the hotel. Joran and Natalee were kissing in the backseat and he was getting upset because he did not like that in his car. He said “That if you want to make love, go and pay a hotel and go in a hotel room, not in my car”. While on the way to the hotel, Natalee asked if she could see the lighthouse, because she was leaving tomorrow morning, and if they can drive her up there. He drove up to the lighthouse, but didn’t stop because she was drunk. He said she was like, Hey, here I am and then wanted to go back to the hotel.

False Statement #3 – same as #2, but then changes the ending

Satish tells their Mother that they lied because Joran is their friend and they were covering for him. He said that Joran asked us to leave him by the Marriott beach with Natalee and he and Deepak went home.

False Statement #4

In a joint interrogation with Joran, Deepak and Satish, Joran claims that Deepak, Satish and Natalee took him home and while sitting in the car outside the home, he and Natalee exchanged email addresses and say goodbye. Joran goes in his house and Deepak and Satish take Natalee back to the Holiday Inn.
Deepak denies this and states: “Why are you lying, Joran?”

False Statement #5

Joran tells his Mother that he, Natalee, Deepak and Satish went to the “California” lighthouse, then left the lighthouse and went to the "Marriott Hotel" beach. He and Natalee got out of the car and Deepak and Satish drove away. Joran fooled around with Natalee and left her on the beach as she says she wanted to stay there. Joran tells his mother not to worry, because he didn't do anything to the girl.

False Statement #6

Joran breaks down and cries at the prison and tells them “we buried Natalee” to the north of the Marriott Hotel, towards some indistinct area by the fisherman's huts.

False Statement #7

Joran says he has a suspicion of where Deepak buried Natalee. Joran tells the police that after Natalee fell asleep on the “Marriott Hotel” beach, he left her there and walked home. He believes that Deepak went back to the “Marriott Hotel” beach, raped then murdered Natalee, then Deepak buried Natalee near the fishermen’s huts.

False Statement #8 – same as #7, only this time he says they both fell asleep.

Joran claims he had fallen asleep with Natalee on the beach, woke up and then left. Deepak then went back, raped and murdered Natalee and buried her body near a fisherman's hut on the beach.

Now for other statements made by various people...

= Deepak says “SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED TO NATALEE”

= Paul Vandersloot spoke to the boys soon after Natalee went missing and told them about telling the police the truth, and what would happen if they lied. He also told them if is there is no body, there is no crime.

= Deepak tells Mickey John that they left Carlos'N Charlie's and went straight to the lighthouse. Deepak was driving and Satish was sitting next to him. Natalee was in the backseat behind Deepak, and Joran was in the backseat behind Satish. He said that Joran and Natalee were kissing in the backseat and that she was very, very drunk. He said Natalee wanted to see the Lighthouse so they drove there. Deepak said that on his way back up they stopped ... close to the Marriott and they dropped off Natalee and Joran and he and Satish went home.

Once home, he went on line, and about an hour later, Joran sent him a text message on his cell phone, and that when he got home he'd go on line to chat with him.

Deepak tells Mickey John, that they will be out soon, but Joran would remain because he knows he was the last with her after they dropped Joran and Natalee at the Marriott. Deepak said that he thinks Joran is holding back something, and that the father made up the story. Deepak told him that the family sat at the pool and came up with the lie about the holiday inn.

He said he lied to the police, because normally when tourists come here and they get lost, a few days later they are usually recovered at some crack house or with some beach bums. ... But, when nothing was coming out, he and Satish decided to tell the truth to the police.

= Gardner said he saw Joran driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. on May 30. He says Joran tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe.

= Another witness says she saw the car owned by Deepak being in the area near the racquet club, around the homes, 3 times during the night that Natalee disappeared.

= Another witness says Kalpoe brothers were seen washing their car very thoroughly in what was said to be an unusual location near their home. This took place after their initial release from questioning and prior to their arrest. EquuSearch sought to check the area with dogs; however they were turned away by the Mother of Deepak Kalpoe.

= Another witness said he saw Joran driving to a nightclub across the road from the Marriott Hotel around 2:30 a.m. on May 30. He said that Joran tried to hide his face with his hands as he drove to the Racquet Club with two Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe

And last but not least... The phone calls/messages...

2:35-2:40 AM - phone call made from Joran phone between 2:35-2:40 AM to Deepak. Joran claims he called him to ask for a ride home. Per Koch, Satish’s attorney, Deepak told Satish that Joran called and said he was walking home and that he left Natalee at the Marriott Hotel beach.

3:15 - 3:20 AM Joran text-message-emails Deepak to tell him he has arrived home safely.

4:00 a.m. Phone record from Joran to Deepak after which Deepak left his home.

This post is also available at Blogger News Network.

Comments

[airam]

Wow, Dan! Thank You!!!

[birmingham dog]

How do you know that these so-called confessions are FACTUAL ? Sounds to me that they are RUMORS and from what source? If it is the editor of the paper then can you really trust him? he has many times come forward with false tips. First it was Natalee was burried at the beach, what hppened to that story? Now he says he has tips that the 3 boys said all these things. I am sorry but this is NOT reporting, it is only passing on RUMOR and Innuendo. I would think that better reprting could be dine, or are you more concerned with web traffic?

Where are your facts ? I would appreciate seeing the Transcripts OF these confessions. If you can't provide them this is just poor journalism.

GWD

[Dan]

Welcome - good work.

[joetwopoles]

Dan and Airam, thanks to both of you!

[annie]

Thank you airam and Dan. This is great information and it is wonderful to have this clearly documented.

[FloridaPatty]

Great timeline and breakdown Dan. Well done.

[airam]

How do you know that these so-called confessions are FACTUAL ? Sounds to me that they are RUMORS and from what source? If it is the editor of the paper then can you really trust him? he has many times come forward with false tips. First it was Natalee was burried at the beach, what hppened to that story? Now he says he has tips that the 3 boys said all these things. I am sorry but this is NOT reporting, it is only passing on RUMOR and Innuendo. I would think that better reprting could be dine, or are you more concerned with web traffic?

Where are your facts ? I would appreciate seeing the Transcripts OF these confessions. If you can't provide them this is just poor journalism.

GWD

Posted by: birmingham dog | July 27, 2005 07:47 PM

Dog- I got all the information from Fox News, Dan's news and the phone information from worldJOURNIER

Everything I posted has been reported by these sources as known facts. As with everything in this case, who knows what is real and what isn't. This post was done so that we could try to figure out if there is any truth to what these people have stated. I don't think there is anything above that was said that hasn't already been seen or heard by those who are faithfully keeping up with this case.

[kenny]

tie this to what T.J. Ward just said on O'Reilly and you can see that this is a massive coverup from the get-go. Every Arube connected to this bailing now, and the Europeans have fled to the Continent.

[Dan]

airam - I have no problem your credit WJ but I dont link that site here. I edited your comment.

[FloridaPatty]

Reported on FOX by Bill O'Riley on The Factor, tonight at 8 PM EST:

An American PI leveled serious charges against Aruba.

Joran appeared in court today.

.................................................

Private investigater returning from Aruba leveled serious charges against Aruban police investigation of Natalee Holloway. TJ Ward.

From your eyes how do you see this case?
This case didn't start well. When the family arrived, law enforcement didn't even do what they were trained to do. When they got to the house of the VDS they should have taken DNA samples, impound vehicles, taken evidence, normal police work...here we are two months later, the FBI gets involved, I get down there going door to door and we find TWO individuals who witnessed something and now we're draining a lake.

Do you have any theory in the case?

I don't think this was a planned homocide. I think after all the drinking, possibly drugs planted in her drink, the boys went somewhere with her and did what they did and then she stopped breathing and the boys did what any boy would do they called their dad.

In the early parts of 1990 the lead investigater worked under PVDS. He should have excused himself from this case.

It's my understanding that the two security gaurds had an alibi two hours after they were arrested but they were in jail for 13 days. The Kalpoe boys are released.

You believe it's a crime?

People leaving an establishment and after leaving and can't be verified where they are going, ...why hasn't Joran been charged with kidnapping? ...he has admitted he had sex with Natalee.

Your saying there is a massive coverup? ...The FBI is given access to all files.

The FBI I believe has direct knowledge of information I beleive they will be a great asset to this case.

Well if all this comes to light there will be a huge scandel.

I understand the two security gaurds are planning on filing a civil suit for being held for 13 days.

I believe it was unfair to the Twitty Holloway family for this HIGHLY TRAINED law enforcement department to handle this case the way they did.

.................................................

Joran VDS in court today along with the Kalpoe brothers attorney. Mr. Ward was upset today would you agree with what he said?

Well he's a private investigater and he came up with his own conclusions. As far as the lawsuit the only thing to gain would be an apology.

But as far as the investigation...lazy...would you go so far as to say that?

Well I am an American too I would want her to be found quicker but they are going by the book.

Well I don't know they are going by the book they didn't do searches, I would disagree with you.

Well they would need to wait 48 hours before searching.

In court they don't want all the files to go to the FBI.

Well as it was explained to me the law has certain positions that do not allow for an outside organization especially a previous investigation.

yeah well if these guys have nothing to do with this then give them all the information, they have nothing to hide.

Well as it was explained to me the letter of the law must be followed.

Well what about the draining of the pond?

Well they are basing this on a tip they got from a gardner.

When are we going to get some information from the pond?

They said it would be about another 24 hours.

Greta up later with more information.

[hobo]

Airam--thanks for your work. I am one who has been with this story since it began and read somewhere that there was a question about two atm withdrawals connected to the group around 3am and 3:30am of the morning of Natalees disappearance; for the life of me, I can't recall the tie or source. If you have a clue, please note it here. It could also be one of the many bogus rumors flying around. Thanks for oyour efforts and let's keep praying for Natalee.

[airam]

Sorry Dan, I didn't know. Thanks

[R Nelson]

Great re-cap, how about the phone call Beth Holloway received at 4:00am? If I'm remembering correctly.

[Skyboxx]

Folks,

Natalee is gone. Juran and others are involved. That's why they lied and went to Papa VDS. Papa VDS called his friend police cheif and this has been a misdirection campaign ever since. Police cheif thought he could "sweep this under the carpet" by hanging it on the security guards. When that didn't work , more misdirection. VDS and his DAD are guilty. Did anyone see Police Cheif interview with Greta. The man could not look her in the eye, keep digging with his feet, kept looking down. The Body Language says "GUILTY" My posts back in min June stated sources close to the case as saying one Kalpoe was cooperating and going to be released. We were all surprised when both were released. Natalee is indeed gone and its time for Papa VDS and Police chief and son to face up. This is Aruba's Chappaquiddick. The VDS will definately pay, like Kennedy paid Kopechne family. But will justice ever be served????

[airam]

They say he changed his story 22 times, wow. I could only find 8! lol

[mariaK]

Airam-Susan Candiotti said Monday on CNN that her sources said that there is no evidence of the "confessions" of the 3 suspects. Therefore, who are the sources for the facts here? Is it that Diario (a tabloid) said it, Fox quoted it, and therefore it is a proven fact?

[airam]

Great re-cap, how about the phone call Beth Holloway received at 4:00am? If I'm remembering correctly.

Posted by: R Nelson | July 27, 2005 08:20 PM

I was going to mention that, but I couldn't find any "facts" about it and didn't want to add it as it hasn't been verified. We could come up with a rumors list, but that list would be a million pages. lol

[R Nelson]

I thought there was discussion of it with Greta and BH Perhaps a video of the show might be available.

[airam]

mariak - No.

I don't know why Susan on CNN would say that when the lawyers themselves have stated that their are confessions, such as the leaving them on the beach. The boys even told their parents that. The Holloway/Twittys have also stated these. I'm watching Headline CNN right now, and they just went over some of the confessions stated by local authorities.

Again, I have NO IDEA if these are true. These are the ones that have been given to us by the media. The only sources we have for information. The only ones who know the truth are Joran, Deepak and Satish.

[birmingham dog]

Media repaeting media reports. You kow thats how rumors are started. I have a feeling that hardly any of this is true. If it is TRUE then by Aruban law they would have to be thrown out of court because No Evidence is supposed to be leaked to the media or otherwise. Some of you need to ut your thinking caps on.
Just constantly repeating rumors serves no purpose but to inflame an aready inflamed case. There is a rean the Aruban law throws out TAITED Evidence. Can you guess why ?

GWD

[FloridaPatty]

OK, the paper reported the story. They heard about the incident in the jail with Deepak tossing the dominoes. They tracked down the guy who said "my gardner saw you"..this would not be hard to do it was witnessed by several inmates.
They convinced this guy to go to the cops, he did.

TITO ON AT 10 PM WITH GRETA WITH AN EXCLUSIVE ON EVIDENCE.

EST 10 PM Greta On The Record on FOX...
LOTS OF NEWS here folks. Tune in.

[FloridaPatty]

speaker your theory leans on the verge of hyperextreme with a touch of what? your own fantasy? Write so you can infer a scenerio without touching the seams of porn.

[FloridaPatty]

Anyone catch that Paul emptied out his desk yesterday?

[clintcarter]

That false statement list would stand higher if it mentioned the sources. "A collection of things known to be true by the News and by the bloggers"?
Known to be true only if the original source is known.

Which of the falsehoods come from substantial sources and which are hearsay? That would be interesting and has been a big question of mine.

[k.jeanne]

Has there been any comfirmation of the phone call to Beth and Jug's house at 3 or 4am? I keep wondering if that is true, then how does it fit in airman's time? I still think that could have been a ploy to throw things off, perhaps made by Joran. I have wondered if Natalee gave him her home phone no. when they exchanged email addresses, then he used the number to try to establish she was alive...or something????

[k.jeanne]

good evening, mr. clintcarter:)

[airam]

Wow, some of you guys are brutal.

What is the problem here? This was intended to try and figure out if there is indeed any truth to these statements.

The other night during a discussion, a group of us thought it might be helpful to look at the reported confessions so that we could see if there is any truth to any of them.

There is a reason why the list isn’t longer, what is listed is what is being reported by pretty much every news network. I don't see anything listed above that would be questionable to anyone.

We can only go by what we are told in the media, so if it’s incorrect and you know differently, say it and we can take it off the list.

For those who feel the need to criticize this along with everything else then don't read it. If you don't think its accurate, that's fine. It was put together for those of us who wanted the information being given by the media put together in one format so that we could review it.

[Robert]

Being that the investigation has been so secretive, how does any of us know the facts. There seems to be endless speculation on speculation and that serves no real purpose. I hear Betth and Jug talk about what they know and how surprised we will be when it is made public. Well if that is the case, then she should march herself and jug down to the Crown Prosecutor’s office and spill it. If it is information supplied to her by the police, why is she bringing it up because she can not tell the public anyway? I still would like a hard questioning to occur of all those from Alabama that took the trip.

One thing that concerns me is that Greta, Bill, Geraldo, and company are trying they’re hardest to lynch Joran. WE DO NOT HAVE THE EVIDENCE, SO BACK OFF OF HIM. HE IS A MINOR AND CAN BE QUESTIONED BEHIND CLOSED DOORS IN US AND ARUBA LAW. HE HAS RIGHTS. His lawyers seem determined to see that he gets his rights. The FBI is a guest agency in service to a foreign government and should act like guests and leave like guests when the story is over.

[clintcarter]

Good evening, K.J

Airam, you did just what we needed done. Thanks. I need sources to consider these as facts but don't know enough about the sources myself.

So maybe those who do know the origin of EACH falsehood could add that to the list.

[speaker]

floridaqpatty- take a holiday and see for yourself...as for porn, well if you want to allude to simple vacation sexual escapades as porn thats your interpreation...i view it just as that sexual escapades, boy meets girl...as for extreme i have my theory just like you do....and if i thought it is porn they practice then i'd have said so...now happy fantasy...peace to the world

[birmingham dog]

Dude, if you post something up I suggest you willingness to satnd behind what you post up as fact. Re-READ your orignal post.

---ARIAM QUOTE---"Below are some of the untruths that the boys have told since the beginning"--end Quote--

Tell me/show me WHERE you say that these are suppostions ? You Present these as TRUTHS, and they are NOT.
Things like this do nothing for this case but to spread rumor. I have from the very begining suggested that when Falsehoods are presented as Facst then when the Trial comes the truth will Never come out. The record will be so taied that any truht can never be found.
I want whoever is responsible to be punished to the full extint, but repeating what the MainStreamMedai reports is ASKING for trouble. Do you Not reeber Dan Rather? These Media Types live for the ratings, do you think they really care about Natalee?

GWD

[airam]

Dog - Dude - I told you where I got the information. If you don't like it, don't read it. For your information, that is not my complete quote. I posted this in one of the chats and Dan edited it.

So before you decide to blast me, you need to get YOUR facts straight...

[birmingham dog]

I see lots of Chat room theatrics on this site. I simnply asled for some prrof as to where you got your prrof. If you can't toolerate someone questing you presenting things off as truth when in-fact they are Media Hype then I suggest to you that maybe you should carefully consider your postings. I am No the only one questionging these so-called facts as you post them up to be.
Again the Medai only cares for ratings and YOU are playing right into their hands. they profit form this poor girls dissapearance. So Disgusting. Pray for Natalee that our Lord and Savior Jesus Chirst will bring her home, everyone else involved will have to anser to a higher power.

GWDdude

[airam]

Dog - Again, I gave you the sites to where I got the information. At the time, when I was putting it together I didn't think to put each link to each statement. If I have the time I will do it. I don't understand why you are even reading this stuff if you don't believe anything that is being said in the media or on the news. Is it just to criticize it?

No, I don't believe every word that comes out of the news, but it's all we have. I made a comment in a blog and it got on one of the main pages, I had no idea it would be posted here. Apparently Dan has enough trust in it, and I believe that Dan tries to only post the things he feels are accurate. The news is our only source of information.

[Victoria I be ...]

Way to go Airam and Dan, thank you so much for your time and effort .
GWD ~ Birmingham Dog , it has been explained to you more than once , plus this is not a site to exercise your debating skills , take that somewhere else , please and thank you.

[airam]

Thanks Victoria :)

[birmingham dog]

Then we are in trouble....facts are all I want not rumor. and 1 very important point that NONE of YOU think about..

If these Rumors do pan out to be evidence then all of that evidence/rumors leaked to the public will be tainted and Not be admissable in a court of law............

now what do you think of that ?

GWD

[airam]

I think... this is the end of this conversation.

I hope and pray that Natalee will be found (hopefully somehow alive), and that her family can find some type of peace at the end of all this.

[!]

The spokesperson Greta had on her show tonight said that Joran hadd precisely 22 different statements to date.
NEXT !!

[(((((CIndyLouWho)))))]

Airam thank you for the time you put into this concise re-cap.
With the FBI, TJ and Tim down there we will hopefully get more info and evidence that can be used to rule out or substantiate some of these "confessions"!

[(((((CIndyLouWho)))))]

Thanks to Dan too!

[concernedhoosier]

Are there really photos of j VDS partying w/other girls and drugging it up? I would like to view these if so to add to the info I've collected and form my own opinion. Thanks

[birmingham dog]

Anyone care to discuss something of substance ?

-----If these Rumors do pan out to be evidence then all of that evidence/rumors leaked to the public will be tainted and Not be admissable in a court of law............

now what do you think of that ?

GWD

[68 Tiger]

This is a site that I find to offer best info available. Thanks to Dan and others who have diligently tracked down as much info as they can. We can all debate later after the case is solved.

[Mon]

Speaker,I think you are right on, in your interpretation of these events. Carlos n Charlies (and clubs like these), in every part of the world, have locals that purposely go to these type of tourist clubs to try and find some cute foreign girl that they can seduce. (I used to hang out in Baja in the late eighties.) They have the impression that all American girls like to party and get wasted and therefore are asking for it. Unfortunately, my intuition is that Natalee (being an Honors student, etc..) probably fell for this Joran dude, thought he was cute, mature, smart... arrogance and all. He took advantage for sure, would not doubt there was some date rape drug involved. I have thought about your scenario and it fits his purported personality.

[speaker]

has anyone noticed my post is gone? peace to the world.......anyone know why?

Dan would you know why please? peace

[berry]

I only know of a single confirmed false statement - the original lie. All else is speculative. The Diario is the source for 90% of the "leaked" supposed interrogation tidbits. If the Diario is being shown actual police interrogation transcripts, by actual police department personnel, then this investigation is out of control.

The only reason Joran remains in jail, is because the prosecutor assured the tribunal from Curacao, that they were still investigating various statements, admitting there was no actual evidence against the young man. Now you will have a fresh "controversy", rumor, twist or turn, every few days, so that the prosecutor can comply with the court's advice.

To help out with the prosecution's desire to keep Joran locked up, the Diario and Jossie Mansur are working overtime, by leaking what may or may not be factual information, but serves the purpose of confirming the necessity to keep Joran in jail to continue to investigate his supposed lies. So far, Joran's attorney said every inch of the Diario's report involving burying Natalee, was a lie.

So right now, I see a desperate effort to keep the Holloway - Twitty families somewhat under control, by keeping Joran in jail. Aruba figures it is the least they can do. And it probably is actually the most they can do.

Absent a shred of physical evidence, unsubstantiated rumors, agenda driven media and no confession and not even evidence of any crime at all, this is nothing more than a missing adult case that may forever remain a mystery.

[Erin]

Are there really photos of j VDS partying w/other girls and drugging it up? I would like to view these if so to add to the info I've collected and form my own opinion. Thanks

Posted by: concernedhoosier | July 27, 2005 11:56 PM
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Don't know if these are what you are looking for, but here's some more JVD photos. Not all are with girls, though....

http://gallery.magic965.com/displayimage.php?album=187&pos=33

http://www.martin.isnw.org/lekkerdoelloos/paginas/joran.html

http://gallery.magic965.com/displayimage.php?album=212&pos=52

http://www.geocities.com/proud_college_republican/?200518

http://connect.tickle.com/photo/index.html?albumid=-V9V1Z7Ut7iP7z4v

http://photos1.blogger.com/img/148/1227/640/hot%20tub.jpg

http://www.nataleeholloway.net/forum_posts.asp?TID=899&PN=1

Hope these help!

[Erin]

Dan, this is a great compilation! It's been so hard to keep all the stories straight...

[kell]

http://connect.tickle.com/photo/index.html?albumid=-V9V1Z7Ut7iP7z4v

This picture album here say it belongs to locoman. Well, yesterday i got on the Aruba Carlos and Charlies website. I saw that guy on the little chat page. I had no idea that he knew Vander Sloot. That freaks me out people! I was on the website being because i heard that Vander Sloot used to chat there, but right after Nat. came up missing they shut that site down for a while and now you cant see anything that Vander Sloot said. But hey, if anyone wants to talk to his friend go to the aruba carlos n charlies web site and go to the forum or chat. (whatever it is) his name is locoman!