Natalee Holloway: Latest From The AP

A second new witness told a private investigator hired by Holloway's family that she saw van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers drive into the Racquet Club three times that same night. The woman, who lives near the nightclub, has not yet spoken with investigators, he said.

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[AkekoaHoAlethia]

Thanks dan,

Good night,
unless you have more now??

[Kay]

Thanks Dan! I wish these people would have come forward sooner!

[ohmygod]

money talks i guess

[fokje]

Has this investigator received a permit to do any work on Aruba?
If not, (not sure but I don't think so he's got one that fast) any evidence acquired can be dismissed by the courts at any time.

[Kap]

fokje - i'm sure he has. what? getting a little worried your boy Joran is about to go down?

THE JIG IS UP!

[fokje]

Kap trust me, Joran is not my boy as I couldn't care less.

[Kap]

Of course now you couldn't care less because you know the end is near for Joran. You've been on here posting the past few months about how Joran wasn't involved and blah blah blah. It's okay to admit when you are wrong.

[fokje]

I still do think Joran isn't involved Kap.

[iremember]

oh, fokje
you just like punching holes, don't you.
we would love justice, but what we really want is to find natalee and bring her home.
you guys get to live with whatever crap the courts allow to go down.
we just want to know what happened, lookslike we are going to, soon.

[Yolande]

I still think Joran hasnt done 'it' too. Thats not because Im on his side. Im on the side of justice. If Joran is proven to be guilty I will admit I was wrong.

[Yolande]

And I think he knows nothing because he would have already confessed otherwise. I dont think he can keep the truth for this long.

[mc]

Liars lie because the truth will hurt them. There is plenty of lies for all 4 of these suspects to end up doing time.

[mc]

I meant "are plenty"

[007Scarlett]

And again, and I will ask until someone answers, if "eyewitness accounts" (from the lying 3 Amigos) landed the security guards in jail at the beginning of the investigation, then why haven't these "eyewitness accounts" landed the Kalpoes back in jail YET? I'm telling you...Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are missing a huge opportunity here.

The Kalpoes must have some strong mob ties down there....

[Jillian]

I think these eyewitness accounts are pretty recent, aren't they? I'm hoping that's why they haven't made anymore arrests yet, but hopefully will, soon.

[Andrea]

They are definitely draining the pond

http://www.cnn.com/2005/LAW/07/26/aruba.missing/

[John]

Danm

Is it a racquet club or nightclub? The statement above mentions both. Is this another typo?

[Cindertaz]

I am curious as to why it took the gardener so long to come forward with the car sighting. I am hoping he is telling the truth, but skeptical because he did not come forward sooner.

Cindy

[Kap]

Yolande - you live in Fantasy land. Joran has already reportedly confessed. He also has recently pointed a finger at Deepak. Why make a statement like that if you are not involved? You are also very naive if you don't think he can hold off until Sept 4th when they have to make a decision to charge him (which is coming this week, maybe as soon as today)? Jug even said they were all about at the breaking point 4 days into interrogation then someone "got to them" to tell them to be quiet. Why is now being proven that they were in FACT, just yards away from the beach where they said they left Natalee an hour to an hour and a half earlier when they are all said to be at home already? She got into their car, they drove her and yet they are seen an hour to an hour and a half later in the same vicinity when they are the KNOWN last people seen with her?

You are not on the side of justice because JUSTICE is for Natalee. You are blind to what's right in front of you. THE JIG IS UP. YOUR BOY IS GOING DOWN. There is no argument now that these boys were ID by a witness and there car ID by another witness.

I'm intrigued by your stupidity....I wonder who you think is involved and how Joran is not?

fojkle- is that Dutch for moron? I'm also intrigued by your Einstein-ish theory of how Joran isn't involved.

BTW, the FBI and the Aruban police (the new investigative team) KNOW Joran is involved.

[texjsl]

Yolande, if he isn't guilty then why has he told 20 different stories instead of the truth? It's because the truth will get him in trouble. He is guilty of at least obstruction of justice already. He is also guilty of another crime...be it drugging Natalee, raping her, both, murder, all three, kidnapping...and so on. If he was innocent, he would have told the truth and not to sound cliche, but it would set him free. Either Joran is one unlucky SOB, or he is the ultimate narcisist who is finally losing a game on his home field.

[ChinbeardXIV]

I agree with Yolande and company...mainly because there's only very, very circumstantial pieces to even suggest a crime at the moment--much less, to suggest that a particular person has committed said crime.

Good reporting people...and good posts in this blog! I'm sure the Holloways & Twittys appreciate it all...let's just be careful not to rush to a verdict without letting the investigation pan out...

[mc]

chin
You are not using common sense here. The girl is missing and the last people with her lied. It isn't about weither this group is guilty or not. It is simple which crime(s) they have committed.

[Cindertaz]

At this point we do not know what the evidence is (circumstantial or not) against Joran. During the interview with Greta, Jug and Beth stated that when all the evidence was released we would all be shocked.

Beth and Jug know a lot more than us, but can not comment without upsetting the Aruban government. They believe JVDS as well as DK are guilty and I believe that they must have some information to back up that belief.

[ChinbeardXIV]

MC, it's not as simple as everyone (a few of the posters, especially) seem to think. It's a common fact that people tend to lie when they're nervous--and that goes for innocent people as well as guilty ones...mainly because we all have something to hide, you know? Anyway, in the same way that a spouse abuser isn't ALWAYS a murderer, a liar isn't ALWAYS a murderer, either. If so, we'd all be behind bars.

Did he do it? It's possible. Can we accurately tell that from the facts in the case? No, not at this time.

Anyone who claims to know the contents of that pond and/or the outcome of the case is being purely speculative...100%!

[shyne235]

hmm.. this witness... could it possibly be someone like Anita VDS, who is finally seeing what is going on.. or a friend or family member who maybe did not actually see what happened but knows and is hiding behind this "witness" figure...? after all, turning in a loved one would be a lot easier if it was not traced directly back to you.

[Kap]

Chinbeard- if you pay attention to the interviews with the Jug and Beth there KNOW more information (most likely forensic) than they are allowed to say at the moment and that's info from the FBI, their PI and the new Aruban investigative team. There is a reason this investigation is quickly moving ahead and it's not because they don't have evidence and the such. It's because information is coming in. You nor Yolande can say there isn't any evidence because nobody knows what evidence they may or may not have. BTW, there is no COMPANY with Yolande's distorted view. Well, maybe only a few others but most people KNOW who is responsible.

BTW, if being the last people seen with a missing person, then lying about your whereabouts, only to be seen (either the persons or the make of the car) by witnesses in an area only several feet from where you said you left the missing person is not any kind of clue to their guilt or evidence of a crime committed against Natalee then you I don't know what is. INNOCENT people don't try and block FBI access to records and INNOCENT people don't lie and tell many different alibis or stories.

Also, BTW, when the judges rendered their decision about keeping Joran until Sept 4th, their statement included words along the lines that the evidence presented definitely suggests that a crime was comitted against Natalee Holloway. You may want to go a read that statement again so you can learn to post facts.

[shyne235]

let me clarify that the witness isnt physically anita or some family member, but tipped from them, and able to then split or collect a great deal of the money. as in a separate brains and body.

[mylena]

why is it stupidity (and why do you have to attack someone like that?) if you are not convinced 100% kap? your logic that the judge is convinced of his quilt is not so. He not so convinced to actually charge him but convinced enought to detain him.

It isnt about thinking Joran is quilty or not guilty, he sure is very suspicious.

But lying and being the last who saw natalee is not enough to convict him. Thats where it is about.

[mc]

Chin,
I have been involved in some investigations before. People lie for various reasons, but not from nerves. Lies MAKE people nervious, which is how lie detection works. The most common reasons for lies are to protect themselves or someone else from the effects of the truth. I have never had anyone lie and then not have some guilt about the act in question. This is not complicated. I believe the girl died in the presents of 1 or all of the suspects from something they did or were doing and everything thing else is just a series of dishonest actions on all their parts.

[mdjgirl7]

The reason these new eyewitness's have taken so long to come forward is because anyone who has been linked to this case has lost their job.

The two security guards the Kalpone's mother, the Dj all fired. Do you blame them from not wanting to talk. I hope those who saw anything or know anything will find it in their heart to come forward and tell what they know no matter what.

We all know that Joran and the Kalpone brothers are involved to some degree if not all the way it is just proving it. I have been praying that if they killed her that the Lord will let the land or water show her remains.

I will not rejoice if Joran and the Kalpone's are found guilty of a horrible crime that will mean 4 young lives will have been ruined it is a sad day for all families involved. This is a nightmare for all.

I wish these boys would tell the truth and get it over with and let their families be there for them when they are dealt their punishment. I know Nat's family cannot comfort their daughter but they need closure and to be able to go home and bury their beautiful daughter if that is the case and she is no longer with us.

Peace to all let us pray for a prompt conclusion to this horrible thing.

[ChinbeardXIV]

Well, Kap...I've been waiting to see your response, in particular. It seems you, too, are a media junkie, lingering on every word allowed to be written about the hottest subject in town. I'm obviously one, as well. Unfortunately, our views differ...

Yes, both Mr. Twitty and Mrs. Holloway-Twitty (I don't know them personally, so I respectfully try to avoid calling them by their first names, respectively) have mentioned that shocking evidence is around the corner. Also, yes, the court system also said there's enough evidence to hold Mr. van der Sloot for a while longer. Unfortunately, all we know (for a fact) is that he's in jail--we have no earthly idea about the nature of the evidence. We do know, however, that it's not enough (yet) to formally charge him with a crime...correct? I think so.

As for being the last person seen with a "victim", well, that only means one thing: that he was the last person seen with Miss Holloway...nothing more. Lying? C'mon...we all lie. If you, Kap, were seen giving someone directions and suddenly, they disappear, well, you'd be the last one seen with her. Does that mean you've killed her? Uh...no. What if someone says they saw you together and you had your hand on her shoulder--would you lie and say, "No, I didn't have my hand on her shoulder" in order to protect yourself? You may...you just may...and I might, too.

My point, Kap, is not to say you're wrong or that I'm right--it's just to point out that even though the media paints a nice little picture, it doesn't make it fact. I'm keeping an open mind, like Yolande was doing. Let's not belittle one another...let's push and prod each other for every view possible! Woohoo! Shamalamadingdong! I'm rambling.

[ChinbeardXIV]

MC...I stand corrected on the lying due to nerves sentence. My background is in Sociology instead of Science...thank you for your response, though. Keep me straight! :)

[danielle]

I bet the shocking news that Jug & Beth have, is the major level of corruption that occurred from the beginning. Surpressing evidence and so forth.....

[tideroller]

"I'm keeping an open mind, like Yolande was doing."
ChinabeardXIV

ChinbeardXIV - Chin, actually, no, I would say that you and Yolande have very closed minds about this. That is, closed to all facts and circumstantial evidence other that implicates your precious Joran. Those who insist that Joran "is innocent" can have minds equally or more closed than those who believe in his guilt.

[ChinbeardXIV]

Tideroller...I assure you that Joran is not precious to me. I have only stood by my US of A birth and upbringing that has taught me that people are, in fact, innocent until proven guilty by a jury of one's peers in a court of law. Does that mean that she's alive, that he didn't harm her, or that no crimes have occurred??? Of course not...it only means that I will withold my finger-pointing until such time as a verdict is handed down.

That's all! Have a great day...

[scratch]

Did anyone else here on MSNBC a bit ago, Joran and the Kalpoe brothers and their attorneys were just in court, some of the DNA evidence is thrown out because the collection from these three was not done right!!!!

[Kap]

Maybe they haven't charged him yet because they want to make sure they have an air-tight case. I am one to believe that they do have enough to charge him but they haven't yet.They are finally doing things the RIGHT way down there in Aruba.

How is media painting a nice picture when the most telling information have come from the parents of the missing girl? You make no sense.

That's a new theory, they gave her directions, she got lost? WOW!!!!! Yep. I'm sure that's why they are ALL lying and lying and lying some more. Give me a break. There is no way anybody can convince me that Joran would rather stay in jail his entire summer (the year before going to away to college) in jail covering for somebody else or because he "gave her the wrong directions" than coming clean with what he knows. The reason he isn't coming clean (although it's been reported he did indeed confess) is because he's involved in the FIRST person.

[shyne235]

maybe its (it being the 'shocking' news) that they knew what happened to her 2 months ago but they are trying to get a confession and wear out joran and company.
maybe the witness was a hoax by officials to put pressure on the boys.
could deepak and satish be under strict surveillance still? bugged? phone lines tapped? maybe by releasing them, officials thought they would be lead to further evidence?
maybe maybe maybe, sorry for all those maybes

[Gator]

What is the Raquet Club? Is it a nightclub or a health club that was closed at the time Joran and the Kalpoes were supposedly there? I originally thought it was like a tennis/health club but MSNBC is reporting its a nightclub(?)

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I just heard on CBS news that this "field" , which turned into a pond , was checked earlier , but they are re-searching due to the appearance of the kids in that spot 3 times that night!

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Not sure , but this may be the racquet club area???

http://www.vacationtimesharerentals.com/ads/9784/

[shyne235]

the aruba racket club is a tennis center, as far as i know. i've been to a racket club on the island, (a tennis club) pretty sure this is it

[sol rosenberg]

If $hitpak and Sateeth haven't been under surveylence "this time" then the entire Aruban law enforcement agency should be put in front of a firing squad and shot. I'll bet BHT is having them followed. Thank goodness someone is doing the thinking.

[mc]

As American's, we are spoiled with "getting to know" so much about criminal investigations without the exposition of that information jeopardizing the cases. I do find it interesting though, that there seems to be underlying tensions and allogations both toward and between the legal authorities involved.

[ustt]

I so agree with you Sol - it finally came out on Greta the other night that when Aruba the great Aruba said they let them go originally it was to TAIL THEM...it was like an afterthought kind of tracking---------like "hey you guys, when you were out today did you happen notice if one of them went into the grocery or not, I was watching FATHER KNOWS BEST on TV and eating my burger and fries and forgot to go out and tail them." :((

I am anxious to hear what information Jug is holding back. Yet again (about 2 nights ago now) he said "you will be shocked when you hear" (something to that effect)......so whatever it is he and the families are not discolosing yet.....must be pretty bad because it obviously isn't the shoddy/comforterkeepyousowarm police work so far...which I thought was bad enough to have been considered "shocking". It must be pretty awsome. I'm going to stay tuned on this one.

[shyne235]

http://www.arc.tennist.nl/

no, i believe this is the place. not the one at la cabana hotel

[Gator]

This article refers to the Racquet Club as a "nightclub"

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8717897/

[Checkme]

BREAKING NEWS...

Seems that they have found the body in the pond

[ChinbeardXIV]

You're pretty full of "knowitallism" aren't ya, Kappy? It's okay. I wasn't implying that Holloway asked VdS for directions--I was using that as an example. Nonetheless, it's not important.

I find it amusing, though, that you still don't see the media picture, here. Watch closely...Van Sustren, Rivera, and company ask pointed questions to the Holloway/Twitty bunch, and then they get their questions answered with a nicely tied bow and ribbon. (Rule 1 for broadcast media: know the answer before you ask the question!)

Think outside the box/bun, Kap...use Taco Bell logic for a second...

[Caty]

Checkme - where is that "breaking news" being reported from?