Natalee Holloway And Joran Van der Sloot Captured On Film At Carlos And Charlies

I received a tip that there was a picture showing Joran Van der Sloot inside Carlos and Charlies on the night of Natalee Holloway's disappearance. That image seemed clear; however after an initial review of the pictures, it now appears that a tourist with a camera may have captured the last known image of Natalee Holloway, as well.

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Though time and date stamped and captioned suggesting one of the images may be Natalee, I had my doubts as regards any of the pictures being legitimate. But further inspection suggests they are, indeed, genuine.

The image below is obviously of Joran Van der Sloot in his favorite light plaid shirt. The image is stamped at 12:30 AM on the night of Natalee's disappearance and was taken inside of Carlos and Charlies. A second image, possibly of Natalee Holloway is much more difficult to make out. Along with the tourist suggesting the blonde girl in sun glasses standing by the door was Natalee Holloway, there's an additional factor which leads me to believe that may be the case.

Natalee was:

Last seen wearing: ... a denim knee length skirt, a teal green halter top and brown flip-flops.

That is the outfit she has on in the AP/Beth Twitty credited picture above. Below is the caption:

Natalee Holloway, left, poses with friends Lee Broughton, Madison Whatley, and Ruth McVay, left to right, in a photograph taken with Natalee's disposable camera on the beach in Aruba, May 29, 2005, hours before she disappeared. (Photo: AP/Beth Twitty)

When you enlarge the picture taken at 12:23 AM of a young woman standing in the doorway, it becomes clear by examining the palette that the top is of a green color matching the top Natalee Holloway is said to have been wearing that evening.

In his recap, the tourist describes her as "The tall blond girl standing at the doorway in the background/she has sunglasses on."

Still doubting the images, I started to examine them more closely. If you look at the tall narrow image (left bottom), it seems fairly clear that the outfit of a girl standing just barely within the camera frame matches that of Lee Broughton, also pictured in the image at the beach with Natalee Holloway and her friends.

It was that which made me feel more comfortable that these pictures were, in fact, taken inside Carlos and Charlies on the night of Natalee Holloway's disappearance.

Combining all of the above, it is possible to at least consider the notion that the murky image in the background of a picture from a tourist snapping pictures inside Carlos and Charlies the evening Natalee Holloway disappeared may represent the last known image of the young girl alive.

UPDATE: I didn't even see it, a commenter has pointed it out - but that is indeed likely to be Natalee Holloway leaning down from up on the bar. I initially thought the one girl had her arm in the air, closer inspection shows that to not be the case.

Comments

[satchmo]

So, I wonder if the Aruban authorities now have that specific shirt we see on Joran in this picture in their possession for testing. Maybe even after all this time it has some value as evidence.

Also this gives more credibility to the supposed "email" from Deepak where he said that when they walked into C&C Natalee was dancing up on the bar. I always thought the email was manufactured to reinforce the first lie about what happened that night (the three dropped on Natalee at the HI). I wonder if the Aruban authorities have had that "email" analyzed by experts for style and word usage to see who the likely author was; could implicate Paulus in the coverup.

[kristin]

I still think there is a taller man (Jordan)between Natalee and her friend Lee. It might be the corner of the bar and he's standing "around the corner" from the guy in the plaid shirt. I don't think it is hair piled up in a ponytail. It is a head.

It will be interesting to hear what her friend Lee has to say.

[RstJ]

I'm with bhamsteph: Lee Broughton was at the bar that night if these photos are genuine (and I really don't see any reason to doubt that they are unless people really believe that no one at CnC's that night had a camera).

So why haven't we ever heard anything from her, quite possibly the last person to ever see Natalee?

[Jef]

Where did these photos come from?

[Judith]

The elevated dance floor looks like a bar because you can see bottles behind it.

http://gallery.magic965.com/displayimage.php?album=197&pos=132

[Jeff]

Where did these photos come from?

[Dave]

I used Jasc to both lighten and enlarge the photos. In the photo alleging that she is standing in the doorway, I just don't see it. Whoever has the dark hair with the blue and green top appears to be reflected in a mirror behind them. If this is the image that you are saying might be Natalie, I totallyd disagree.

On the other hand, the possibly lee picture definitely appears to be Lee standing (same outfit as was on the beach) and Natalilee appears to be standing on the bar (again same as beach outfit).

[sol rosenberg]

Why all the excitement over Natalee being intoxicated? What does it mean? I think the fact that she received a full scholarship to college and also her membership in so many activities at school speaks volumes about her character. Who gives a $hit if she drank and danced on a bar while on vacation? I suppose the next thing we'll see on this board is that she asked for this to happen to her...sounds like a Jody Foster movie to me.

I think Sol needs a vacation.

BHT - we love you - keep the heat on 'em.

[fyi]

everyone has come foward with every bit of information since day one, please stop questioning that. nobody is a dumbass, everyone immediatly told the authorities EVERYTHING

[flappie]

Judith, you solved the dancing on the bar, its the elevated dancefloor for sure! Well done!

[joetwopoles]

Satchmo wrote "So, I wonder if the Aruban authorities now have that specific shirt we see on Joran in this picture in their possession for testing.

Also this gives more credibility to the supposed "email" from Deepak where he said that when they walked into C&C Natalee was dancing up on the bar."

Satchmo, great point on the shirt. Would like to know if it was confiscated or never turned up!

On the dancing photo, why is the only reference from the Dpak e-mail? Could this photo have been "collaged" to back up his story? Where this reference from all the other people at the bar that night, the employees, the non-Mountain brook crowd? I've heard nothing.

Interesting stuff. BTW, if you blow that photo up very large it's impossible to tell whether its a single surface original or composite ruse. Way too degenerated. Big Whoppping pixels.

[joetwopoles]

Judith wrotw: "The elevated dance floor looks like a bar because you can see bottles behind it."

http://gallery.magic965.com/displayimage.php?album=197&pos=132

Judith,

Well bless your peapickin' heart. That photo says volumes! Thanks for finding it for us.

[phunktified]

Posted by: Sandy | July 22, 2005 03:35 AM

Case in point:
http://gallery.magic965.com/displayimage.php?album=197&pos=66
Joran on the bar at C&C, in his ONE shirt.

I'm sure this has been pointed out already, but Sandy that is a dance floor, not a bar, and that is a different plaid shirt. It seems Joran liked plaid/madras type shirts - he is wearing several variations on the theme in almost all the pix of him.

[AVA]

I would like to know why the picture is cropped?? What and who else is in this picture? and what does of the half of Natalee doing? or is the other side that is cropped? To me it appears that Lee is standing and the 'Joran like person that is also blurred' is sitting. As to those who have stated that this is not Natalee, well it is what Natalee was wearing that night...a teal/white paisley & stripes halter style top. Does anyone have a clue as to what else is in this picture that someone would crop it so?

AVA

[kristin]

Anyone know what the yellow wristbands are for? I see one pic of Jordan with one on. At first I figured it was drinking age/non drinking age but in another picture of someguys drinking up on the bar one has a wristband and the others don't. They have the same drink in their hand.

[Dove]

It looks like Natalee is standing on the bar, which the man in the picture is leaning on.

Also, the wording on the yellow banner in the background, is smaller than the print on the large banner on the dance floor.

Someone who has photo shop may be able to tell us what the characters are on the banner, in the photo with N.

Then it would be possible to find that banner at C&C and the stand at the photo angle and be able to pinpoint the exact spot.

[globetrotter]

Anyone that understands perspective would be able to tell that the person in the Natalee look-alike top is dancing on the bar, not on an elevated stage.

This picture tells us absolutely nothing other than that Natalee was enjoying herself and dancing in the hours before she disappeared. We all knew that anyway. I'm not sure how many young girls actually dance on the top of bars but certainly if the dance floor was crowded and a person who was a dancer wanted to dance, I guess it's not that strange that sh'ed get up on the bar, especially if she were a good dancer.

The one thing on this site that is most significant to me at this point was the Dave Holloway story (A Telling Meeting)that Dan posted yesterday.

"I told him, I am a forgiving person. If he is innocent, he needs to profess his innocence to me. If an accident happened on this, I can live with that," Holloway said. "And about that time, his eyes watered and his voice quivered and he said, 'I've got to do everything I can to protect my son.'"

If this was not taken out of context then it speaks volumes of truth about what happened to Natalee.

If it was taken out of context but meant that PVDS didn't want Dave to see his son because he and Joran's attorney felt it would not be a good idea....well that makes it a little bit different.

The first way, although spoken in the present tense, would seem to indicate that Paulus was involved in the cover-up. The second way simply could indicate that he was protecting him while he is in the slammer.

That story was truly the most significant thing that we have heard in a while.

[coco]

I hate to burst anyone's bubble, but she's on the bar, folks. Take a good look at the upper portion of the photo next to her arm; those aren't bottles -- they're bar glasses hanging from a rack above. I don't see those glasses anywhere in the elevated dance floor pics, and as a former bartendress, I have to say that it would be a pretty asinine place to keep them (unless you really like cleaning up broken glass.)

[joetwopoles]

AVA wrote: "I would like to know why the picture is cropped?? What and who else is in this picture?"

AVA, it is probably cropped so that it looks like Natalee is dancing on the bar, when in reality she is just with a whole bunch of other epople on the raised platform. I questioned that crop from the very beginning.

I think someone wanted to advance Dpaks statement from his e-mail (of course, we don't know whether it's fictitious or not) that NH was dancing on the bar when he got these, or simply to degrade her image. There is no reason to crop this photo.

[IcantSeeIt]

Is Natalee supposed to be in the long, vertical photo that shows what might be Lee? All I can see is the one girl's back & a guy beside her. The background is black. Anything I can do to improve the image? Or am I missing a photo altogether? I can't see anything in the background of the photo with the diagram on it, either, except a black silhouette. ???

[brookie]

My child was on this trip and has pictures from Carlos and Charlies that night and you can clearly see Natalee dancing on the stage along with a whole group of others. You can also see lots of locals standing around, possibly one of the Kalpoe brothers. But get real here...we all knew she was there and we all knew they would be partying and dancing, but everyone wasn't plastered; in fact, there are pictures of some of the kids drinking what looks to be soft drinks. At any rate, just because she was having fun, she didn't deserve to be killed. She didn't do anything to deserve that. I mean...obviously this was the kids last night to be together before they all went their separate ways...sure they're going to have fun and dance.

[Chance]

Dan,

Did you receive the dancing pic as you posted it? It appears that the whole picture would show Natalee moreclearly.

[globetrotter]

My guess as to why the picture is cropped is that Dan was simply bringing attention to the fact that Natalee's friend Lee appeared ot be in the second picture based on the outfit.

Dan admitted that he didn't even notice NAtalee in the picture until someone pointed it out to him. It's therefore my guess that Dan cropped it himself so that he could just show Lee's presence at the bar, and that showing a bunch of other people lined up to the left of Lee (who's faces he'd have to blur out anyway) was not significant to what he was pointing out.

Joetwopoles:
She's on the bar honey, not on a raised platform, and that fact does NOT degrade her image to most of us.

[coco]

Here's another pic of the bar from another occasion. Note the yellow and red sign to the left- same sign next to Natalee in Dan's pic.

http://gallery.magic965.com/displayimage.php?album=259&pos=33

[Shari]

Brookie,
Let Dan know you have a picture of Natalee. Click the "email me" button on top and let him know.

[joetwopoles]

Coco,

Not having been there-- and perhaps more important, NOT being able to see the complete photograph-- none of us have any idea what angle that photo was taken from.

The power of the lens (was it wide angle, normal, or telephoto), angle it was taken from (low or high), and other factors determine things like depth of field, which affects how we perceive photographs. Any good student of photography learns these tricks early on.
There is no face in this photo, so we get no idea of the dispostion or condition of NH. Many people go to a bar to dance, so that is not unusual. Puzzling that the only person who has mentioned NH dancing on the bar is DPak in the supposed e-mail that has been bandied about the various blogs.

We need more than this to draw any conclusions, and what--if anything-- would they even mean to this investigation?

[frenchymom]

I believe "FYI" likely states he truth when saying Nat's friends have told everything they know. They have no reason not to... The fact that they aren't using this incident for their own 5 minutes of fame is something I respect.

It is not their responsibility to be fodder for the media, whom we all know, distorts much for their own marketing and shock value. Face it guys, the media is a competitive business like any others.

MOUNTAIN BROOK KIDS...Continue to maintain your dignity and do just as you are...staying away from the media but sharing info with the authorities. Sharing the info with the media may feed OUR incessant need for knowlege but it will only bring you headaches as the media and other folks you don't even know will second guess everything they hear or see, turning you into wild kids rather than the normal kids you are.

[coco]

Joe- I posted the URL as you were posting your response to me. I think the sign on the bar might provide just the perspective you're looking for.

I know, I know: maybe the sign was moved in the interim. If you're really concerned, you can give C&C a call and ask them how often they change the decor. :)

[globetrotter]

Brookie,

She may have been dancing on the stage at one point, but she was definitly on top of the bar when this picture was shot. When you lighten it up you can clearly see the bar glasses hanging from a rack directly next to her. As Coco said, it would be awfully dumb to hang glasses over a dance platform;)

Again, the people making the big fuss about this are obviously the people that are still trying to protect the MB kids' images that want to keep them looking saintlike.

Teens are teens all around the world. There is nothing odd at all about celebrating your heart out and having a great time on the last night of a great trip.

The tightasses in here should just go have a drink in MArgaritaville and loosen up a little.

ICANTSEEIT:
I lightened it up. Check it out:
http://journals.aol.com/globetrotter2u/Myfeelingsarereal/entries/1147

[scubagirlKA]

I'm confused about something.....
I saw an interview earlier this week on Greta with Frances Ellen Byrd & another tall, kind of masculine looking girl wearing a sundress. I thought it was Ruth McVay, but maybe it was Lee Broughton (or someone else for that matter). I can't find a picture or transcript of that interview. The only one I can find is of Frances & Ruth:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160385,00.html
That's not the one I saw. Any ideas?

[joetwopoles]

Joetwopoles:
She's on the bar honey, not on a raised platform, and that fact does NOT degrade her image to most of us.
Posted by: globetrotter

Globetrotter:

Your point is very well taken. Sometimes I think we're swallowing camels and gagging on gnats, myself included!!! As Brookie pointed out, those kids went there to have fun, so why shouldn't they be doing so.

[Jessica]

OMIGOSH!! If you look at the pic on the bottom left that is totally Natalee on the bar reaching down, the shirts match perfectly. If you look at the girl below her it is her friend standindgbeside her in the pic of them on the beach. The tops and the hair match perfectly.

[Disappointed]

So what if Natalee was maybe dancing on a bar or stage?
Maybe she just liked to dance.

And even IF she were intoxicated (dancing does not imply that), that is no excuse for any "man" to harm her or take advantage.

What is the point of posting this photo? Just for the record? To show that the MB teens need to be more forthcoming with the details? (maybe they told the FBI )

The problem with posting a photo like the one of maybe Natalee maybe dancing on or near the bar is that it shifts the focus off the suspects.

What were the suspects doing? That is what we need to know.

[coco]

As Brookie pointed out, those kids went there to have fun, so why shouldn't they be doing so.

Posted by: joetwopoles | July 22, 2005 11:58 AM

EXACTLY!!! I wonder: if Natalee had been a college freshmen rather than a recent high school grad, would we be having a discussion regarding alcohol use, or would it just be assumed that she might have had a few drinks? I don't understand why everyone is being so weird about it. She was legal in Aruba, so why not?

[Hopefloats]

You know Natalee was a "dorian girl" at MBH. She spent most of her highschool days "DANCING" so whether its on the bar, on stage, the dancefloor or outside on one of the taxis doesn't make a difference now does it?? She loved to dance so unless you are trying to make it a point that she's doing something "wrong" or start the NH bashing trashing train. I don't think it really matters now does it?

[ev]

These kids were having fun. They were not at C&C's to have a mass and do a rosary. I would expect them to be dancing on the ceilings. What heck is wrong with everyone. So much into seeing Natalie dancing on the bar. Good for her I glad she at least had a great time that night. Remember she was a dancer for a group in school.

[Hopefloats]

oh and let me splain what a "dorian" is. Its a dance team that have girls that are similar to ballarinas in the marching band and for high school sports teams.

[Shari]

Disappointed:
You missed my point. I'm sure Nat's mom would want to see one of the last pictures taken of her daughter.

[icey]

So, If Natalee is on the bar, it would seem she is reaching down for something near where the guy is standing. Could it be her drink, that someone could easily spike?

icey

[ann]

here is a better view from some stack of pics.

[ann]

http://gallery.magic965.com/displayimage.php?album=259&pos=11

[kristin]

http://community.webshots.com/photo/174819949/174824003lzRipp

A different angle on the monkey picture

[debbie]

Dan, was this from you?? on the prophecies website: http://forum.prophecies.us/viewtopic.php?t=9727&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=300

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:09 pm Post subject:

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Hey guys,

Something interesting I found on the nataleeholloway.net website. This man claims to be working with a psychic, as well as others. See what you think. This is long, but collaboration of a lot of different people's perceptions might just be the key here.

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 10:36 am Post subject:

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Please forgive me if this has been posted elsewhere, but I just received it in my email box...

Posted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 8:12 am Post subject: My Latest Theory

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Ok guys, this is it. This is what I'm going to the news media with...talk radio will eat this up (this is what I sent to the National Enquirer just a few minutes ago). I am going to throw some diesel on the fires...they're getting a little low. Hey Meriam...what say you about this theory of mine?

Let me tell you about myself: I am a common guy with a very sharp mind and intolerance for injustice. I work 8-5 for a civil engineer in Texas; I have a degree from Texas A&M University. I'm a good Christian (Baptist), single, no kids, who loves computers. Money and fame means nothing compared to reuniting Natalie with her folks, so I don't expect compensation of any kind. Feel free to use any or all of what I send...whatever falls into the professional bounds of printed journalism. Note: about the tanker ship: not verified, just found that out earlier tonight...about two hours ago. My guy went through a LOT of heartache to get that information.

Yeah, I said reuniting. Natalee isn't dead...I’ll be happy to go into detail about why I think that. I'll try to explain as briefly as I can, but it takes some explaining. First of all, I am a volunteer and amateur sleuth that just kind of fell into the role I have now. I have a dedicated group of about a dozen helpers I've met ranging from a mother who lost her son years ago and still needs her own answers, a retired criminal profiler from the Netherlands, an oilfield administrator with Schulumberger who is from Trinidad and VERY familiar with the Caribbean and Americas due to his job, a psychic who sees real events in real time (remote viewing), a guy with a background in Search and Rescue much like Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch, an FBI informant in Birmingham, and a lot of concerned people who will do anything they can to help Natalie and her folks. I have contact with both the Twittys and Holloways, as do a few of my trustees. The way this works is, people send me tips and leads. I have the right people verify them if I can. I compile them and send to the FBI, the Twittys, and the Holloways for their use.

Let me tell you a few things I've learned 'on the inside' of this investigation. First, anything the Aruban LE releases publicly is utter and absolute crap. They're trying to wait out the Twittys and Holloways and placate the media like Fox News (poor Greta, she has no idea she's being led around by the nose). Below is the real story in a nutshell, based on what my sources close to the family have told me, what my sources have dug up, and some of what my Aruba friends are willing and able to corroborate. Remember Fox News mentioning the internet sleuths? That was us.

First, about Joran Van Der Sloot. He's a creepy kid with bad parents, but he's no murderer, not even by accident as he claims. Don't get me wrong, he's no angel: people have come out to Fox and CNBC about his past. Usual weekend activities: pick up unsuspecting tourist girl- someone cute and naive, find out when her last night on the island is, hook up that night, drug, date rape, leave on the beach (to slink off in shame with little memory of the night's events), repeat next weekend. Ok, so why the lies and confession and story changes? Joran is a glory hog according to my profiler: he thinks of himself as a Tom Cruise in training, and being held for a crime he won't get convicted of is a great way to feel important. So, confessions and story changes when he feels like the limelight is off him. As for what happened on May 30, well...

Joran hooks up with Natalee just as described. He invites her to a 'private party' after hours at C&Cs. Slips her an X (Ecstasy-date rape drug), gets the Kalpoes to pick them up, Satish drops Joran, Natalee, and Deepak off at a private party (rave party-drugs, booze, and date rape drugs). Now where exactly I don't know, but /possibly/ at the home of Lorenzo Van Rijn. ( man that kills dogs in a brutal manner) Well, there are some people at the party Joran isn't comfortable with...local drug dealers, maybe some local cops (oh yes, again verified by eyewitnesses: the LE even up to Jan Van Der Straaten(Police chief) are known to hit the parties after hours. Joran gets nervous and he and Deepak leave Natalie there, thinking she'll turn up again just like all the other girls.

But then somebody deviates from the plan. Maybe Natalie wasn't all the way under and saw who (Van Der Straaten-Police chief, and drug dealers) was there. Maybe she just came to in the middle of the 'party' and was witness to her own assault. Anyway, the guys at the party keep her a while longer, but three things happen that totally screw things up: Natalie manages to make a few phone calls when nobody's looking, she leaves her hairbrush behind, and Van Der Straaten shows up at that party to collect his take. So he knows Natalee was there and with whom and she knows he was there. Next morning Beth Twitty is already in Aruba crying havoc. Paulus our judge-in-training (he actually failed his exam) wakes up Joran and asks about Natalee. Joran tells him what happened and washes Deepak's car real well to eliminate any trace that Natalee was ever with them that night. Paulus calls up his buddy Van Der Straaten: (Police chief who is Joran’s real grandfather.) Jan, we have a problem..." "Paulus, don't worry; I'll take care of it" Well, the Twittys bring a small army of reporters and volunteers with them, and it makes returning Natalee really, really tough. Jan was hoping he could find Natalie, plant her on the beach, and "Oh look, just as we said. She was hanging out with the beach bums like usually happens." But now even after he finds Natalee, he can't return her without all this mess being exposed... including the past charges of accepting bribes from the local drug dealers to look the other way. Don't believe me? Call up Chuck Geiss at Black & White Birmingham newspaper and ask him how hard he has it trying to corroborate dirt on Van Der Straaten. Well, what can Jan do? He can stall...and he tries. Unfortunately, the Twittys and Holloways are the best parents in the world (and I sincerely mean that), and they are not leaving. Meanwhile, Paulus catches Joran bragging about his latest conquest at school (just ask Joran's buddies Alex and Jaime), and coaches Joran and the Kalpoes on what to say and how to stick to the story.

So, Van Der Straaten starts making arrests, questioning people, and finally settles on holding Joran: there is no forensic evidence to prove he did anything, and Van Der Straaten knows even if it goes to trial Joran will get off. Meanwhile, the family may give up and leave. They don't, so Van Der Straaten has to up the ante: a protest to try to get the family off the island.

Tim Miller with Texas EquuSearch shows up and lets himself be blithely led around in circles...no body, no crime, right? Well this makes a great distraction: people looking for a body they will never find because Natalee is still using hers. Looks like something is getting done to the media and the family, right? No! They're still there being very determined and amazingly strong, even after Van Der Straaten threatens to shut down the case if the Twittys don't stop being so vocal. That kind of works: they shush up but they don't leave, but they hire their own PIs. Damn! Ok...up the ante: get Natalee’s hair off hairbrush (or somebody else's hair, really doesn't matter either way), plant evidence to be found even though that locale was already searched. "Oh must've washed up out of the sea". Family is still there! Well, we need more compelling evidence now: how about DNA? Sure, grab the Kalpoes and Joran and get some, no problem. Sorry, Paulus Van Der Sloot (Joran’s father), but Joran's going to have to take the fall after all unless you want every drug dealer on this island...and maybe even those really dangerous Mafioso’s you owe money to (not saying names, but the guy who wins certain casinos...after your head the (Columbia neck tie version). Joran's a minor so even if he gets convicted of murder he'll only get ten years. Maybe, that will get the family out of there, so we return Natalie (well, maybe), and Joran gets released. Remember, the haircut Joran got not long ago? Don't be surprised if Joran's hair turns up someplace convenient as evidence too. Aruba LE (Law Enforcement) must think we're stupid...but the Twittys ARE losing sight of finding Natalee and getting wrapped up in justice. They want a fall guy because they're so convinced Nat is dead and in so much pain from not knowing. Luckily, all the family is not convinced. In the meantime, who has Natalee and why? Well, right now she is on an oil tanker being held, and probably being abused to break her down so when she is returned she won't talk. All I know about this vessel is it makes port of call in Costa Rica, probably takes oil from Venezuela to Africa or maybe Europe, was in Aruba or perhaps Venezuela between 05/31 and 06/10, and has a German registry. That ship is probably halfway across the Atlantic by now, but luckily in international waters. 70N, 45E maybe As long as this is, I've left out a lot of details (such as my insider to the case who tipped me off to a lot of this).

OK, do what you will with this. I am going to the talk radio stations I have contact with starting tomorrow (one of my people helped Ken Starr with Whitewater, so she knows her media contacts), and I'm sending this to Greta at Fox even thought if she's missed this all thus far she will never pick up the right track. Like I said, go ahead and use any of this you can with my blessing, and feel free to call me. The Twittys and Holloways and the FBI have this info, but don't seem to be acting on it much...they really don't take us seriously. As long as this is, I've left out a lot of details (such as my insider to the case who tipped me off to a lot of this).

Dan

[Cropper]

That is definitely her standing on the bar, the green bathing suit top is an exact match to the other picture of her on the beach as is the flabby arm.

Question is it looks like the photo has been cropped to the right, why not show the entire picture which would reveal more of her on the bar? Did Dan crop it or was it sent like that?

[CuriousBystander]

Debbie,

WTF?

[Jen]

Curious....
just what i was gonna ask.

W...T..F?????????

[Not a Hand Wringer.]

What a scoop!

We now know that Joran, Natalee and her friends were at C&C's.

Oh wait. We've known that from the beginning. Other than to satisfy curiousity, what's the point of these pics? They surely don't add to our knowledge base, unless you consider that Natalee may or may not have danced on a bar as useful knowledge.

Of course anyone who has frequented any popular bar on any Caribbean island knows that those in the bar often dance....often on bars.

So what?

[debbie]

wondered if that was from "our" Dan

[Anna]

I sure don't have anything negative to say about this. For sure she had her clothes on!! Looks pretty steady on her feet to be up tht high. I'd get dizzy. I see pretty, healthy kids having fun. Bar/stage maybe the other too crowded. If some of them did not SEE her drinking and do do not want to say they did, so what? Some have said they did. I hope these photos will not be used in any negative way to try to cast aspersions on any of them.

[globetrotter]

The scoop posted by Debbie is quite believable to me, and would explain many things.

However it's not our Dan that posted it.

The Dan we know lives 30 minutes from Ground Zero (he mentioned that on his boring radio interview last weekend.) He also mentioned something about his kid or something, so the Dan on the psychic website that Debbie quoted is a different Dan.

Hope he gets plenty of airtime!