Natalee Holloway: Monday Night Late Report

While most eyes were on the beach observing the then three suspects visit there yesterday, another investigative team was visiting Paul(us) v d Sloot where the v d Sloot family is staying with friends. Reliable sources confirm he is not seen as cleared in the ongoing investigation. It was suggested that the prosecutor wants to be sure they have ample evidence to hold onto him in the event of a possible re-arrest.

With the focus shifting away from Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, some close to the investigation are looking more closely at the role of Paul(us) v d Sloot in whatever crimes may have taken place.

One unconfirmed report suggests the Dutch Ministry of Justice has formally requested the resignation of the elder Van der Sloot.

Additionally, Satish and Deepak are said to be co-operating with authorities, at least to the extent that they may testify in any pending trial; however, it was not been made clear if their statements will damage a presumed defense on behalf of Paul(us) and / or Joran v d Sloot, or support it.

Public relations efforts of some on the island to turn the focus away from Aruba and back toward America, more specifically Alabama seem to be gaining traction among the general population.

Various reports are emerging of things getting "ugly" between the press and Aruban passers by, with some claiming that while many islanders first seemed to be focusing their anger at the Van der Sloot family, they are now more than ever blaming America and American media for bringing this trouble to their shores.

When the Mother of the Kalpoe brothers appeared in front of the court house, some locals were urging her to speak only in the local dialect and ignore the American press. Most of any demonstrations in front of the court house seemed aimed at the media.

More and more rumors of an out of control group of high school students from the United States, with one of their party responsible for any potential crime are circulating ever more widely through portions of the general population. It seems an increasingly frustrated  and basically friendly island population is looking for somewhere to focus their frustration through blame.

While there are conflicting reports as to the level of drugs and street crime on the island, for every source that suggests levels are very high, still other reliable sources suggest it actually seems lower than most other Caribbean tourist destinations. That wasn't the case as regards Carlos and Charlies.

Located in a part of town some have described as "seedy," observations from today suggest it is very much business as usual with what appeared to be several underage individuals hanging out and partying. One objective source indicated his observations gave him the impression that "hitting on female American tourists" seems to be an activity still very much associated with the night spot.

Other individuals report that the family of Natalee Holloway appears to be managing the media reasonably well and is reaching out to the press and maintaining contact to foster support in the event that they find it necessary to start "naming names" as far as what they might know of what is happening, or has happened behind the scenes of the five week long investigation.

It was reported to me that some members of the Holloway/Twitty family are increasingly convinced that they must keep and possibly even increase pressure on the Aruban authorities if they are to ever get answers to what happened to Natalee Holloway. That needs to be balanced with the earlier report that the investigation is on going and authorities are indicating that there is progress that can be made.

No time frame was suggested for a possible re-arrest of Paul(us) v d Sloot. And it was not described as an absolute certainty at this time.

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Comments

[texas05]

Hind sight is 20/20, as we have heard. These trips are what all graduating kids want to do whether to Aruba, Cancun, etc. It really doesn't matter if NH is a "good" girl, white trash or an alien. She did not deserve to be seperated from those she loves! The kids from AL. and the parents do not have anything to do with her disappearing so lets not throw blame. It makes us small.

[Elle]

Let's just imagine that all three suspects are telling the truth--that they took Natalie from C&C, to the lighthouse, then dropped Joran and NH at the Marriott and that Joran left her there drunk yet unharmed (not a very gentlemanly thing to do). What are the tides in that part of the island? What are the beaches like at 1:00 am-3:00am in Aruba by the Marriott? Dark? Lonley? Lighted? What else could have happened?

[Lake]

Sounds like someone has blinders on if they think that Satish and Deepak Kalpoe are cooperating with the prosecution. There are reports that the DA was not pleased with the release of the brothers by the judge and that the evidence (such as it is) does not support the bothers current version of the events related to their contact with NH in those early morning hours when she went missing.

[texas05]

how far is it from the marriot and the holiday inn beaches. how dark? would the alabama kids been able to see nh and jvds from their beach?

[texas05]

let's all move to 32

[FlyingDee]

I saw a report that it's not the tides on the western end that carry floating objects away...but the wind will carry anything floating on the western side of the island out to sea.

Still, one would think that someone else on the beach would have seen something...or seen someone going swimming...or seen someone dragging a body into the water.

Is it not true that the beach was a "lover's lane"? So, wouldn't there more than likely be witnesses to someone entering the water from there for a late night swim?

It's very unlikely IMO that Nat entered the water from that beach, willingly or not.

[kim]

If on beach from Holiday Inn it would be visible from the Marriott beach

http://www.arubatravelinfo.com/hotelsmap.html

[true justice]

TexasO5 - We need to understand that there is a difference between throwing blame and seeking out the truth. We need to remember that. It is good that the truth about Aruba has gotten out and I hope that with this new information parents will decide not to send their graduates there in the future.

[texas05]

things happen. we should be able to send young adults on trips. it could happen here as easily as there. there are just bad people that do bad things. sometimes we are in the wrong place at the wrong time. we all learn from others and our own mistakes but life can't just stop. the bad people need to exit left and the nice can go right...don't see this happening anytime soon. unless we were there we should not be so quick to criticize...that's all i'm suggesting.

[true justice]

Say, Am I the only one that doubts that last story about leaving her on the beach? Beth has some information that we don't (probably from that 3:15 am phone call) and she is convinced that Natalee was in the VDS home at 3:15 am. I do not for one minute trust any word that comes out of the mouths of any of the three. That is also one reason I doubt the innocence of the Kalpoes. They have never mentioned dropping NH and JVDS off at his house(Or wasn't there one mention of that once and it was quickly retracted. Does anyone remember?) Starting with the premise that she was, indeed, at his house, what theories do you come up with? Thanks.

[texas05]

TJ...did bt get a call that puts nh at jvds home at that time? i have read that but not sure how she knows that. was the call from the vds phone? i have thought all along that nh was at their house, possibly even when the mom and polis were there. seems more logical to me than the beach story. too many folks around there that might see. how is traffic at the lighthouse in the wee morning hours? anyone know?

[wreck]

Anna, it's okay to bring in weird connections and I don't doubt PVDS is an environmentalist and AM aware of the highway in the Netherlands, but I can't see that has anything to do with Natalee's disappearance or cover-up. It's a small island, he is going to know everybody of importance includinf Ben King (or Vocking)or anyone else. No one on the island has more than 2 degrees of separation.

[phunktified]

CnC's is in the super-touristo section of Oranj. Next door they sell towels and bathing suits. So if Greta doesn't like it that must mean it's gross? The place is filled with fat american cruise ship tourists all day long. Puh-lease people. Get a grip. Book a ticket and see for yourself.

AnJeL, I'm guessing you didn't venture far away from the hotel area?
PS - all CAPS = shouting

[true justice]

Sorry Texas - I really don't know anything more than what was in my post. It seems that it's being hushed, if it is true because of the Aruba laws on what would be admissible evidence in court (if it's publicised apparently it would not be.) There is some mention of the phone call on the Greta interview with the owner of the cell phone company.

[Sarah]

Michelle in Bham, I think you are the one that is so obsessed with the Twitty's. You seem to know everything there is to know about them, yet you don't know them. You really shouldn't be posting personal information about them since all you are posting is what you've heard, not what you know.

[hardyandtiny]

Yeah, I think even if you were totally wasted and drowned at that beach you would just float around near shore until the next morning. I would discount the drowning theory. It's a protected zone with a reef about 200 meters or so off the coast. Okay, so she could have walked out to the deeper water and then floated past the reef after drowning - that is a big MAYBE - very unlikely.

You can look at recent photos from the first week in June on tripadvisor. You can even read reviews of the hotel left by people were stayinghteir at the same time Natalee went missing.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUserReviews-g147249-d184828-r3522445-Holiday_Inn_Sunspree_Resort-Palm_Eagle_Beach_Aruba.html

[Cindi in PA]

Dan, I AM greatufl for all the information you have given. I found this site by accident one night in an AOL message board. I entered hoping to find folks to relate too. AND instead, i found the likes of Mary.
I have been a member of AOL for 5 years, and never have I
experienced anyone as ignorant as this so called Mary. This will be my last post here, I wish you all the luck, you have a great site. I suggest you also listen to the other posters who find her offesive. I have nothing to loose by this post, my good name remains on AOL AND any other message board I have posted on. And I am sure you will loose many a poster if this ignorance keeps up.
Of course, you can choose to ignore this, as I AM AM sure you will, after all , what's a board without groupies. I remain, Cindi in PA, ON AOL.

[.]

Cindi, It is refreshing that you are the last of the trolls that jumped in left there trash and went on their way. Now, Your IP can be traced back to the others as I am sure you too were one of them.
You are busted too!! :O()

[Lake]

Regarding a body the size of NH floating out to sea from the west side of the north end of the island. It has been clearly establised by reports from weather and current experts that the wind blows constantly from the east to the west on the Happy Island. NH a female teenager abt 110 pounds with sufficient fatty tissue (as opposed to a marathon runner build) would float very well) and thrown across someones sholder and walked out about 300 feet (the water depth is rather shallow for maybe about 300 feet) her body could have floated to 300 yards off shore before 8 AM if placed in the water at about 3 AM. And God only knows where the body would be 24 hours later. And also consider what has been reported that she was wearing, teal blue or teal green to and a blue skirt. Blends pretty well with the color of the water there and would be difficult to spot floating from the air during the initial search flights.

[notamafiamom]

Has anyone heard from Shango or Simien today?

[RP]

I am quite sure the MBHS girls who were on that trip who were part of Natalee's "group" she was with at CnC's, all feel horrible and probably even guilty for not stopping her...those few who acctually saw Natalee leave that night. But it has been said by all who saw it, that it looked just like many of the other 'cabs' there that night, pulling up to the curb at closing.

Those kids probably feel pleanty enough grief and guilt and really don't need to be told they should feel guilty.

Natalee was 18. She was a legal adult, if just barely. That makes her responsible for her choice to trust Joran upon meeting him.... it DOES NOT HOWEVER Make HER Responsible for the choice he (or someone else?) made that caused whatever reason she is missing.

Natalee is NOT missing by choice.

This is not her fault and it is not her mother's fault, or her father's or any of her friends fault. This lays fairly and squarely on the shoulders of whomever is responsible in FACT for her disappearance, and now, probable death.

It is not Aruba's fault or the fault of the Aruban peoples.

It IS However, the complete responsibility of the Aruban authorities to find and try the RIGHT Person or Person's reposnsible for this.

I believe Natalee was taken directly to VDS home and dropped off with Joran. This is where I think the boys told a "1/2 truth" and Natalee stumbled, getting out of the car, and Joran tried to help her and she refused his help. I believe this got the dogs barking, and the monkey next door screatching, and Joran took Natalee into his room and told her he'd be right back, and went into the main house afraid he'd heard his father wake up..... and that's when Natalee grabbed a phone and dialed the first number that came to mind...either her home phone or her mother's cell #.....and quite possibly what her mother heard on the other end was her daughters strained and slurred whisper begging for help, and...??? ... the faint chirp of a monkey in the background?

Didn't someone else have a similar theory?

[Lin]

Michele I am from Bham and just working in Mt Brook doesn't mean you know personal info about people that live there. And there are rich, richer and the richest families there. So there is a difference in financial status. And at any school there are different clicks, some because of intellect some because of athletics some because people are all different but the ones with more in common hang together. Just being a Doctor, lawyer, or top CEO doesn't have anything to do with the wife working or not a lot of MDs wives work. Getting information about someone from a friends friend means you don't live or know anyone in Mt Brook. You have to be born a Brookie to know the life styles. It sounds like you are a wanna be Mt Brooker. And I gather you haven't traveled to the islands either. They are beautiful places and lots of young people travel to them. Thousands come by cruise ship daily. Going to Aruba and having something tragic happen was not in anyones plans.

[calista]

if the kalpoe brothers lied why are thery being released? I guess maybe they did do nothing but give them a ride.....I don't know....I also don't know if carlos and charlies is s afe or not because I have never been there but I have seen alot of pics from it inside and out and it isn't the type of place I would say go to my daughter but then all clubs can be crazy and people get drunk and act stupid - I have myself but there is somethign odd abotu the story natalees friends give and why none of them said anything to her before they left or asked her if she was coming with them back to the hotel since she came with them to begin with and her mom to me acts weird on tv - why is she so vague with information if she knows so much about what happened and who is involved? I just think she'd want it out there for the world to hear so her child can be found - it still interests me carlos n charlies is the same place those guys asked amy bradley to go when she disappeared could be nothing though. how much longer will this drag on and on and on? what happened to the planes searching and where is the "shocking news" the holloways had today?

[RstJ]

Michele,

Are you really suggesting Marcia Twitty sits in on seemingly every interview of those kids just so she can be there to protect the good name of everyone's Mountain Brook family? That's absurd. These kids went down to a well-known, very popular island on a senior trip. They did not go to Tijuana to drink, party, and get laid. People go to Aruba all the time and gamble, drink, and have fun. There's nothing remotely "scandalous" about it, nor would such a curtain of silence be brought down over this whole deal if there wasn't a very specific reason for it. There is something about that last night that the Twittys do not care to be made public knowledge, and I (and a whole lotta other people) are very curious as to just what that is, and how it affects the case seeing as how any number of people (including that toad O'Reilly) have asked the FBI if they've requested information be witheld, and they've said no, they haven't requested it. Even Marcia Twitty herself has admitted to this.

So what's the big secret? Because there very clearly *is* one. It's not just some dainty exercise in quaint southern manners. The Twittys do not want anything about that night at Carlos and Charlie's discussed. Period. Not who she was there with, when they left, what happened there, nothing. If this is a question of protecting reputations, just what were these kids supposed to have been doing that their reputations *need* protecting?

RstJ

[Mt. Book Mom]

AS A REAL MT. BROOK MOM I WOULD LIKE TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT,,,IF YOU WILL BELIEVE THE PROPAGANDA BELOW YOU WILL MOST LIKELY BE SUBJECT TO BELIEVE ANYTHING...I QUOTE....

"More and more rumors of an out of control group of high school students from the United States, with one of their party responsible for any potential crime are circulating ever more widely through portions of the general population. It seems an increasingly frustrated and basically friendly island population is looking for somewhere to focus their frustration through blame."

I ASSURE YOU THAT NOT ANOTHER PENNY OF MONEY FROM ANY NON SCHOOL OR SCHOOL SPONSORED EVENT WILL EVER GO TO ARUBA. AFTER THE MANY YEARS OF TRAVELING TO ARUBA AND NUMEROUS OTHER DESTINATIONS THIS IS THE FIRST AND ONLY TRIP THAT A PROBLEM OF ANY SORT HAS EVER BEEN ENCOUNTERED BY MT.BROOK STUDENTS.

IT IS BAD ENOUGHT THAT JVDS TRIED TO DESTROY NATALEE'S CHARACTER AND REPUTATION WHEN HE WAS FIRST QUESTIONED AND ARRESTED IN REFERENCE TO NATALEE'S DISAPPEARANCE. AND NOW FOR ARUBIANS
TO TRY AND TWIST THE BLAME ONTO OUR GRIEVING
COMMUNITY AND YOUTH IS RIDICULOUS. ITS A REPEAT COWARDLY ACT JUST AS DEMONSTRATED BY JVDS AND THE TWO IND. BROTHERS. AND ANYONE THAT THINK ANYTHING SIMILAR IS NO LESS THAN WHAT JORAN VAN DER SLOOT IS...A LOWLIFE, LIAR.

MY SON WAS AT A PARTY DURING SPRING BREAK (MARCH 2005) THAT NATALEE WAS AT..AND HE STATED THAT SHE ACTED LIKE NOTHING LESS THAN A LADY...HE ALSO STATED THAT NATALEE DID NOT DESERVE WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO HER.

ALSO FYI 4 OF THE CHAPERONES FROM THE SCHOOL WERE
THOSE THAT ARE PRIMARILY RESPONSIBLE FOR THE STUDENTS BEHAVIOR/DISCIPLINE AT THE SCHOOL DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR. THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE THE CONFIDENCE AND RESPECT OF ALL OF THE MT.BROOK SCHOOL PARENTS. THEY IN OTHER WORDS ARE THE SCHOOL DISCIPLINARIANS....AND KNOW THE KIDS LIKE THE BACK OF THEIR HANDS...AND KNEW THE STUDENTS OVER A PERIOD OF AT LEAST 3 YEARS AS SOPHMORES, JUNIORS AND SENIORS. EVEN IF ADDITIONAL PARENTS HAD OF BEEN ON THE TRIP YOU COULD NOT OF HAD A BETTER GROUP OF CHAPERONES ON THE ARUBIAN TRIP WITH THE STUDENTS THAN WERE THERE.

SO WHEN ARUBA OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER TRIES TO PUT THE BLAME ON NATALEE AND STUDENTS AT MT. BROOK FOR THIS HORRIBLE TRADEGY, KEEP THIS IN MIND...

NATALEE WAS VICTIMIZED...AND I INCLUDING ALL THE OTHER MOMS, NOT ONLY IN MT. BROOK, BUT ALABAMA, THE US AND THE WORLD DEMAND JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND HER FAMILY...ITS NOT JUST BECAUSE NATALEE WAS FROM MT. BROOK THAT THIS TRADEGY HAPPENED, IT COULD HAVE BEEN A STUDENT FROM ANYTOWN USA. AND ANYONES DAUGHTER. WHEN A CRIMINAL WANTS A VICTIM, HE TAKES HIS VICTIM, I ASSURE YOU THAT JVDS WAS NOT THE LEAST BIT INTERESTED IN MT. BROOK. HE SAW NATALEE FOR HER PHYSICAL BEAUTY AND VULNERBILITY. WE BELIEVE THAT NATALEE WAS DRUGGED AND TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF. HER BEHAVIOR THAT NIGHT WAS STRICTLY UNCHARACTERISTIC OF THE NATALEE THAT WE ALL KNOW AND LOVE HERE IN MT. BROOK.

PLEASE DO NOT BE DISTRACTED BY JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, PAULUS VAN DER SLOOT, ARUBIANS, AND THE ARUBIAN GOV.'T THAT DO NOT WANT TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS...LETS EXTRACT THE FRUSTRATED AND FRIENDLY WORDS AND STATE THAT ANYONE WHO WOULD ATTEMPT TO PUT BLAME ON A VICTIM IS GUILTY OF A COWARDLY CRIMINAL ACT THEMSELVES. REALIZE THAT THEY ARE USING A SCAPEGOAT TACTIC AND SHOULD BE SEEN AS SUCH...PLEASE DO NOT BE DISTRACTED FROM THE ACCOUNTIBILITY OF NATALEE'S BODILY THEFT..AND THE JUSTICE SHE AS A VICTIM DESERVES.
I ASSURE YOU WE LOVE NATALEE AND HER FAMILY VERY MUCH HERE IN MT. BROOK AND WANT HER BACK ASAP..

[Can't Let It Go]

Mt. Brook Mom,
Very well stated. Beth is a class act and so too her daughter. Still praying she is found alive.

[RstJ]

What "uncharacteristic behavior"?

RstJ

[Ari]

RP:

If she was left alone with a phone, she would have dialed 0 instead (this is a universal number) and get instantly connected with the police department. I am sorry but your theory makes little sense. Everything here is just a speculation. If she were not trusting Joran she would not have stepped in the car. There were so many people around that she would have been "rescued" by simply raising her voice. No, it is not clear at all what happened, it is not certain by any means that she is dead, and it is not established in any way that Joran hurt her.

Sometimes it is hard to reconstruct events. Take the case of Shasta for example. They are still unsure if Duncan killed her mother and the others and they don't know what happened to the boy. You would think that they could get all this information by just asking Shasta (she was there!). Apparently, it is more complicated than that - who knows why?

I think people should be patient until the investigators can release information. Until then everything that we post is as good as fiction.

[Sceptic]

Natalee did not deserve what happened to her. Nobody deserves this. But please don't make her some kind of saint. Most of these kids go to Aruba to get drunk, stoned and laid. Why? Because there it is possible as opposed to the US. Perhaps that is what the Holloway family wants to keep out of the publicity. I saw Betty on Dutch TV stating that Natalee did not drink alcohol. Come on.. Everybody knows she did.

[Sad about it all]

I think Mt. Book Mom meant that for Natalee to get into a car with three local boys was "uncharacteristic" and unfortunately was a step into darkness that I fear she will never return from.

[Ari]

"It seems an increasingly frustrated and basically friendly island population is looking for somewhere to focus their frustration through blame."

I would mirror that as follows:

"It seems an increasingly frustrated and basically friendly American population is looking for somewhere to focus their frustration through blame."

[Mt. Brook Mom]

Sceptic you are the one that mentioned the word
"saint" not I.. and are trying to make a case out of your own words not mine...I heard some of the kids say they "drank responsibly"...everyone knows that highschoolers like to get together in groups to socialize, Your comments show how people take the truth, add a few words and twist a statement to create distortion...in an attempt to create an argument just as you just did.. that is still NO EXCUSE for the crime committed towards Natalee. Sceptic I tell you what we will do some make believe role switching here and you can be the saint. :)

[Sceptic]

Mt. Brook Mom:
How can a kid of 18, who is not allowed to drink in the US, "drink responsibly"? Does the term "drinking responsible" even make sense?
You are right that there is no excuse for the crime committed towards Natalee, but I already stated that.
And perhaps it is a logical reaction, especially from her family, but don't you agree that the descriptions of Natalee almost make her a saint?
But whatever her behaviour would be, this still does not justify what happened to her. Of course not. And I hope this case will be solved a.s.a.p. and she will be found. Even though I'm afraid it won't.

[MiniMe]

Kids of Natalee's age do not go off to and island after graduating with honors to do drugs, get laid and get drunk.
I was a teenager once and we all used to go to the beach on vacation in the summertime to lay on the beach and get a tan, feel the breezes from the ocean day and night and to explore other things to do at clubs like dancing and other things in the daytime as sailing, snorkeling, tours of interesting places and other things, lighthouses, eating at nice rest. and just getting away. Why is it that some say that this group was like the ones you hear and see on such videos as girls gone wild.
How stupid. There are "good" people still around in our society you know. You should nat label all because of the actions of others that "are" like that.
!!!!

[michele in bham]

Lin, Natalee wasn't a Brookie by your own logic.

Sheesh, some of you people need to grow up.

[satchmo]

If the two young men were released, then it means that there is no reasonable evidence of their involvement in a crime. The worst thing they may have done is gone along with Joran's story about the Holliday Inn drop off. This gives more credibility to the idea that they did drop Joran and Natalee near the Marriott and did not go back and give Joran another ride.

There must not be evidence that Joran contacted dad for a ride either or dad would be cooling his heels in jail with Joran.

Maybe this is as simple as sex on the beach followed by accidental death in the water. For any of you having had sex on the beach, sand can be an irritation. I can imagine they went in the water to rinse off and frolic a little and in the dark Natalee disappeared, drowned and floated out. Joran's lie maybe was to cover up this and not anything else, and this certainly would explain the absence of a body. How could Joran get a body off the beach without a ride?

[Delia]

Id like to tell everyone my experience at Carlos and Charlies. This was the one in Cozumel. I have been drinking Absolute Vodka for years and years.
I ordered a drink there that I normally drink, sometimes on a daily basis. (Absolute and Sprite) I know my Vodka. I took a swallow of the vodka and it definantly was NOT Absolute brand. I sent the drink back and they made a big fuss that it was Absolute, even brought me the bottle when I sent the second drink back. It was a pretty wild place young underage girls dancing on tables drunk, I didnt think of the safty issue until all this happened to Natalee. I left with my friends and walked outside to a local street shop and made a comment about the vodka and the street vendor made the comment that they do switch whats in the bottles. In the US you cant do that, but they have no rules over there. I can see that it would be dangerous for young girls there, but to be fair, my daughter went to Panama City Florida partying on her 18th birthday and slipped her and her friend the date rape drug, and had my daughter and her friend not passed out in the girls bathroom, theres no telling what would have happened. From my understanding, it happened very quickly and she was out for 3 hours, they was about to call an ambulance (security)when she woke up. They thought she was just drunk, but she had only had one drink. I think what happens is there are so many drunk kids down there, they slip it to the girls and then pretend to be taking their (drunk girlfriend) back to their hotel and of course thats not where they end up. It is a scary situation, and when I found out what happened, I was ready to drive down there and get my daughter, but she was 18 and there wasnt much I could do about it but fuss with her. She is a 30 year old mother now and has all that wild stuff out, thank God. But if the right person saw you and wanted you, youde be helpless.

[Sgt.Sally]

THIS IS THE FIRST AND ONLY TRIP THAT A PROBLEM OF ANY SORT HAS EVER BEEN ENCOUNTERED BY MT.BROOK STUDENTS. Well, not exactly. Jugs himself has remarked on TV that when his son went on his Aruba junket, the son witnessed problems at CnC's 2 years before. Despite this they sent the daughter, young, pretty, with a certain innocent, "childlike" side.
Watching Friends of Natalee's, Ruth & Francis Ellen with. Greta what struck me, beyond the obvious Stepford Student qualities of the interview were their obvious youth. These are children more than adults. To the local 20-30 something's, these must have been easy pickings.
One final observation, watching the perp walk a couple of days ago, when Joran got into the car, his white shirt barely wrinkled from the day of "heavy interrogation". He looked up at the camera, cold, unflinching, old far beyond his years. If she got into a car with this man she must have been stoned, or drunk or crazy or all three.

[Alvaro]

True Justice said the following (excerpts)-

"Dan - Now, I think we can be fair. Both sides should be told. We want the Aruban officials to release information, yet there has been almost zero information coming from our side. That could partially lead to the Arubans developing this attitude that you are mentioning. Which, BTW, I think is most unfortunate..."

and

"We need to understand that there is a difference between throwing blame and seeking out the truth. We need to remember that..."

TRUE JUSTICE: YOUR POSTS ARE SO LOGICAL, SENSIBLE, AND JUST PLAIN SMART, THAT THEY STICK OUT LIKE SORE FRIGGIN' THUMBS ON THIS BOARD.

Unfortunately, I don't think even someone as smart as you can ever appease the ridiculous and silly "STOP BLAMING THE VICTIM" crowd. It really gets to be tiresome having to state the obvious to appease a bunch of reactionary, "don't upset my view of the world", idiots. I personally have no doubt that SOB Joran is responsible, nevertheless, I hope some investigative authority has been able to question every last one of those Alabama kids. You never no where an important piece of info might come from. Having said that, in no way am I trying to blah, blah,blah. And I'm not saying anyone deserves blah, blah, blah. I certainly don't want take the focus off blah, blah, blah. Blah, blah, blah, blaaaaahhhhh.

Maddening.

[clone]

"Yeah, I want someone named "phunktified" clarifying...Get a web log if you want to editorialize."

Posted by: Dan Riehl | July 4, 2005 11:33 PM

That was rude of you Dan! If you want to stereotype and be prejudiced against others, where a white sheet you dick. Turning away an eyewitness who KNOWS what you don't is one thing, but to slam him in the process... makes you stink of shit brother!

Oh, and before you think me to be some southern idiot.. I live here in NJ too!

I think this attention must be making your head grow too big.

[Alvaro]

Sgt. Sally:

Good points, and I honestly think one of the positive things to come out of this tragedyy, will be that from now on, parents will think twice about where their young, little adults will be celebrating graduation. I take high school kids on trips every year and I've learned that there are certain destinations that you have to avoid simply because "they are what they are". i.e. your Cancuns, Arubas, Jamaicas, American spring bk destinations, etc. I would not hesitate to go to any of these places by myself, and I'm sure I could have a pretty could time, but to turn lose a bunch of American kids(who can't drink back home)there, is a nightmare waiting to happen. This Holloway case is a good example of a worst case scenario.

[Jacque]

Do you think that the Kalpoe brothers have ratted on Joran?

Their body language shunning reporters with their heads down was a stark contrast to Joran's who was smiling and self assurred with sun glasses in the back of the transport vehicle.

Also... pictures on Sunday were centered around Joran and the beach near the Marriott. We did not see any pictures centering the Kalpoe Brothers and exactly where they took them.

I am looking for a silver lining in this cloud.

[Jacque]

Do you think that the Kalpoe brothers have ratted on Joran?

Their body language shunning reporters with their heads down was a stark contrast to Joran's who was smiling and self assurred with sun glasses in the back of the transport vehicle.

Also... pictures on Sunday were centered around Joran and the beach near the Marriott. We did not see any pictures centering the Kalpoe Brothers and exactly where they took them.

I am looking for a silver lining in this cloud.

[Aruban]

Seedyrum ,
Why are the Aruba population blaming the press or America, or even Natalie?

The reasom the Aruba population is blaming the press is because Karl Penhaul and Nancy Grace had nothing to do going to the chollerhouse. The American press especially CNN is saying really bad things about Aruba. They are here to cover the case of Natalee Holloway.

[fokje]

Aruban, the american press is probably just at yours to make money out of peoples misery. It was quite obvious to me they are blowing up every piece of shit what they are able to find (and which country or state doesn't have some ugly parts)Also CNN has devaluated to a vulgar gossipchannel despite their tastefull dressing.

I wouldn't talk with them either if I was an Aruban.

[Dutch spectator]

Dear all,

this whole case will stay a POW WOW between the local press and american press.

I read both and say only this:

Innocent until proven guilty...

Does this mean all Arubians are what is stated in the American press?

As a european i see what has been written by the american press as:

1.Prejudice
2.Shortsighted
3.Ignorant

(as terrible what could have happened or happened to this girl )

If drugs misuse or use is that bad in Aruba....why do your teens go there then?

Kind regards,

Peter

[Moosetracks]

I got a laugh out of Jossy's comment, "Why F-16's, are we under attack?" How can these plans find anything with so many tourists walking along the beaches and other places?

On people's comments about high school grads taking these trips...I don't see it. My how times have changed. People must have more money than they know what to do with...or parents are way to lax and allow the kids to do whatever they want.

What's wrong with having a party after graduation, and going home?

[Moosetracks]

Dutch spec, our press is rude to everyone...not just foreigners. They and our so called movie stars, rock stars, etc. think their views are the only views. But, I prefer to listen to a newscaster than a "star".

Some of these people make foreigners think we are all like them!

Why do you think our box office has declined? We are fed up with their mouths and don't care to spend our money on them.

[color]

Mt Brook Mom thank you for writing that.

Sceptic this is for you and others who say all kids just go there to get drunk, laid etc. I am so sick and tired of hearing it, because it is not true. First I hate to burst your bubble the legal drinking age here maybe 21 but kids are drinking at 18 so they are sure not waiting untill they get to Aruba why anyone believes that is beyond me.(Not ALL Teens)
Secomdly there are many many responsible teens who can go to places like Aruba NOT for Sex, drinks and partying. Who do not get blind drunk,your moral condemnation of teens is pretty damn pathetic.
Third I have said this before and I will say it again.
It does not matter what or who Natalee Holloway was. She had the right to travel to any part of the world she wished and return home safe.

[Jamie]

What is Dan talking about, all eyes being on the suspects on the beach?