Natalee Holloway: Monday Night Late Report

While most eyes were on the beach observing the then three suspects visit there yesterday, another investigative team was visiting Paul(us) v d Sloot where the v d Sloot family is staying with friends. Reliable sources confirm he is not seen as cleared in the ongoing investigation. It was suggested that the prosecutor wants to be sure they have ample evidence to hold onto him in the event of a possible re-arrest.

With the focus shifting away from Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, some close to the investigation are looking more closely at the role of Paul(us) v d Sloot in whatever crimes may have taken place.

One unconfirmed report suggests the Dutch Ministry of Justice has formally requested the resignation of the elder Van der Sloot.

Additionally, Satish and Deepak are said to be co-operating with authorities, at least to the extent that they may testify in any pending trial; however, it was not been made clear if their statements will damage a presumed defense on behalf of Paul(us) and / or Joran v d Sloot, or support it.

Public relations efforts of some on the island to turn the focus away from Aruba and back toward America, more specifically Alabama seem to be gaining traction among the general population.

Various reports are emerging of things getting "ugly" between the press and Aruban passers by, with some claiming that while many islanders first seemed to be focusing their anger at the Van der Sloot family, they are now more than ever blaming America and American media for bringing this trouble to their shores.

When the Mother of the Kalpoe brothers appeared in front of the court house, some locals were urging her to speak only in the local dialect and ignore the American press. Most of any demonstrations in front of the court house seemed aimed at the media.

More and more rumors of an out of control group of high school students from the United States, with one of their party responsible for any potential crime are circulating ever more widely through portions of the general population. It seems an increasingly frustrated  and basically friendly island population is looking for somewhere to focus their frustration through blame.

While there are conflicting reports as to the level of drugs and street crime on the island, for every source that suggests levels are very high, still other reliable sources suggest it actually seems lower than most other Caribbean tourist destinations. That wasn't the case as regards Carlos and Charlies.

Located in a part of town some have described as "seedy," observations from today suggest it is very much business as usual with what appeared to be several underage individuals hanging out and partying. One objective source indicated his observations gave him the impression that "hitting on female American tourists" seems to be an activity still very much associated with the night spot.

Other individuals report that the family of Natalee Holloway appears to be managing the media reasonably well and is reaching out to the press and maintaining contact to foster support in the event that they find it necessary to start "naming names" as far as what they might know of what is happening, or has happened behind the scenes of the five week long investigation.

It was reported to me that some members of the Holloway/Twitty family are increasingly convinced that they must keep and possibly even increase pressure on the Aruban authorities if they are to ever get answers to what happened to Natalee Holloway. That needs to be balanced with the earlier report that the investigation is on going and authorities are indicating that there is progress that can be made.

No time frame was suggested for a possible re-arrest of Paul(us) v d Sloot. And it was not described as an absolute certainty at this time.

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Comments

[phunktified]

Just to clarify - CnC's is not in a "seedy" part of town. Very touristy, directly down-town Oranjestad.

[Freta]

Thank you Dan for the update !!

[Midge]

So are the Holloway-Twitty's going to be saying things tomorrow moring to put more pressure on the Arubian's?

[Canadian Girl]

Well that will do wonders for tourism in their country.

[Stumped]

Whatever happened with the Dutch 16's? Did they perform a search today as planned?

[Dan Riehl]

Yeah, I want someone named "phunktified" clarifying what I report as "seedy" based upon taling to more than one respected, objective source. Get a web log if you want to editorialize.

I was generous with "seedy," but maybe that's just average for you. Ya think? Clown.

[Ladonna]

Thanks for the Update Dan!

I have often wondered why the let the elder Van der Sloot go in the first place. It seems just by watching his body actions ( and not his ability to sweat.) that he knows more than he is putting forth. I do believe in my heart that the whole Van der Sloot family is hiding something. If I am wrong, I will say I'm sorry, but not until it's proved that I am WRONG.

[Stumped]

sorry, I meant the F-16's.

[csc]

Stumped,
I just heard on the news that the Dutch 16s would be ready to search "as soon as Wednesday".

[izzy]

Hey phunktified, there seems to be mixed opinions about CnC's. Greta Van Susteren wrote about her visit there in her blog and made a point of saying that she did not feel safe there, and that her husband would be very upset if he knew she was there.

[proudredneck]

It seems the Mafia types are out in full force convincing the unabashed masses that Joran and the Kalpoe brothers are not at fault, but some promiscuous American girl brought this on herself.

This is what is happening on the blogs. You see it here. Natalee was a lady; her family is 'salt-of-the-earth-type' people, something not known to the islanders, who live off the tourists but could care less about them as human beings. C'est la vie.

I am not surprised that on an island where no one has a voice but the higher-up's, this is the attitude which is instilled into them by those who govern them. Remember the KGB?

[bobup]

Dan should it be monday night report? :)

[gab]

Dutch F-16's made it in according to the spokesperson for the Aruban gov't but they have to rest for 48 hrs first, so will do thier fly-overs on Wednesday at the earliest!

Remember that if any country every needs those Dutch F-16's that need 48 hrs rest between flights!

[Stumped]

csc- Thanks! Good grief how many times did they change the start date for the search now?? Originally I read Sat...then Sun afternoon...now it's Wed.

[resorttownmom]

Greta just interviewed two of Natalee's best friends who were not aware of Joran's presence until the last evening at Carlos and Charlie's. The thing that strikes me is the disconnect here between what Natalee did and what the best friend's did. Normally girl groups of best friends always hang together UNLESS something else enters the picture. Her best friends left at approximately 12:00 and Natalee stayed. Those friends know a whole lot more than they are telling. Not to say they know anything bad but they know exactly why Natalee did not leave with her own group. If they are the best friends and Natalee wanted to stay there at Carlos and Charlie, the best friends know why. Frankly, they look like Stepford kids in the interview. Who told them OK we need an interview but don't tell why (for whatever reason even dumb) Natalee stayed until Carlos and Charlie's closed. So her best friends and roommates believe that Natalee left in a car with three boys who she had never met until that evening. Also it was said that the best friends did not report her missing because she had not spent the night in the room on other nights too. In teenage behavior, the best friends were either the past best friends or Natalee had some other priority. Something is not being told as to what really happened.

[bobup]

DAN: Thanks for the report and I thank you for all your hard work

[michele in bham]

The Holloway-Twitty's need to do two things.

1. They need to lawyer up QUICKLY, like yesterday and start civil proceedings against ALL the suspects and tie them and their funds up in court.

2. And this really should of been first, like 4 weeks ago, but they need to call these guys.

http://sec-global.com/

[Dan]

Thanks, bopup - right you are. Fixed Long weekend. My Duh!

[wreck]

LOL -- Me too! I was thinking Bopup was the crazy one. Seems like a Sunday night to me as well!

[RstJ]

There is very definitely something missing in the Alabama Kids' story, but I don't know what it is. And they give the same robotic interview time after time. I'm assuming Marcia Twitty was right there keeping them on message. Don't talk about the tour group, don't talk about the trip, don't give any details about that night other than the official ones.

Weird.

RstJ

[MSMom]

resorttownmom I agree, they seem to be coached regarding what to say. I thought one of the girls, (prior to today) had said they saw Natalee get in the car with the 3 boys and asked if she was aright? Also, I thought Natalee met Joran a day or two before that because there was a push n shove between him and some AL boys.. Now I am confused, I have to go back and read

[arch]

Thanks Dan>

Just a comment about C&C. Jossy Mansur in an interview described the place as 'wild.' We do know that underage patrons are served there. It is now common knowledge. It seems possible to me that a date rape drug could...I said could..have been slipped in Natalee's drink by a bartender at C&C. I have not seen/heard that the aruban 'polis' have conducted an investigation at C&C. Background if nothing else.

Too bad about the attitude of the aruban locals. Blame the victim has been in free play here. Looks like those with something to hide are starting to get ugly.

What happened to Natalee Holloway? Where is she?

Those questions remain unanswered and, regretfully for ALL, it now appears will remain so.

[GrannyToad]

Well those F16s had to inflight refuel, it was a long flight y'know. And the dutch marines have been "out on maneuvers" (somewhere else?) for over a month so they can't be bustin' cactus hunting for any body either.

[It's not like they're American fighter pilots or marines, see. (My Dutch ancestors left there 3-400 years ago for NY)]

[michele in bham]

I talked to a lady tonight who's son is best friends with a kid who goes to MBHS. His sister graduated class of 05.

I of course asked if she knew Natalee. My friend replied "She knew who she was, but she didn't run with that crowd."

My friend's friends family is a strong Christian conservative family, they homeschooled for years before putting their kids in school at MBHS.

So, make of that tidbit what you will.

[wreck]

The interview with the girls w/ greta was at least a week old. These are highschool girls -- not polished TV spokespeople. I'm sure they were nervous. Nothing they said cast any suspicion other than where it should be. Lay off the victim, her friends, and family. Dan was absolutely correct in that the current vibe is to trash her friends on the trip!

[michele in bham]

RstJ, you really need to get over your obsession with Marcia Twitty.

She has no ability to control anyone in Mountain Brook.

She isn't a player, she isn't rich, she isn't powerful.

She isn't pulling any strings or controling what kids say or don't say.

The fact that those kids either are not talking or are saying very little is due to the trashiness factor, not the Marcia Twitty factor.

[Kim]

regardless of any mis-holding of information from Natalees friends in the case here I am sure are forthcoming... but that question is with Joran as to what happened to Natalee, he was seen and/or with her last, and he is detained for this right now...She went missing on Aruban soil, not U.S...the questions and the answers are in Aruba...The U.S. FBI offered ass-istance.

[texas05]

Does anyone know what JVDS might have been paid for NH? Is this even a possibility? Did the VDS home ever get searched for NH?

[Dan Riehl]

Michele,

That was a bit of a passive agressive, or overly suggestive comment, don't you think?

As for the Alabama teens making the TV rounds - I'd ignore them. I think it's possible that they're mostly talking about what they don't know, then trying to hide something.

What might be known and not being blasted all over TV may not be damning at all - just different, is all. ; )

[brock]

thanks for another useless piece of info michelle. keep em coming.

[proudredneck]

Blue-eyed blonds are top pay but if they are intelligent, that gets a bonus.

[AnnaA]

ResortMom,
Those are not necessarily her BEST friends and there were still two large groups at C&C after those two left. NH was accounted for every night of the trip and many of them slept in rooms of others. All kids were accounted for back at the hotel but they did not have to sleep in the bed nor room assigned to them, just check in.
Since you saw the interview you heard the girl say NH was seen getting into a taxi as they thought that was what it was. Seconds before she had pointed to the second group leaving and said she was going back to the HI with "them" pointing to the group of kids getting into taxis. The ones that saw her thought she had gotten into a taxi and NH may well have thought.

That is not true about her not sleeping in the hotel for she did every night. They were only there for four and each night she was either in her room or one of the other girls.

If you have information to the contrary, please provide the name of the MN student who said it and I will contact them by email or phone and ask them. I have been reading this for weeks and no one has an exact source, just always somebody said and it is just not true. I have to wonder why someone would make such a claim.

So what is it you are saying? That NH ran away or what exactly and what is your basis or source of information contrary to what the kids and parents on the trip say?

[true justice]

Michele in bham - Your friend's friend's friend's or whatever's comment could be construed in several ways. One could be that they did not run in that financial circle. You may want to ask your friend to clarify that.

[seedyrum]

Why are the Aruba population blaming the press or America, or even Natalie?

From all accounts, America loved or loves Aruba. Jeez we are 70% of their GDP?

Why blame the press?

The press is what alerted us to visit vaction in Aruba in order for us to be 70% of Aruba GDP?

Also, if there was nothing to report the press wouldnt be so involved.

as in preferential treatment of the 3 to be asked then let go to point finger at 2 innocent black men
2 waiting 10 days to allow the 3 to roam free and to get rid of crucial evidence

3 to runing into the home of 1 black man in a predawn raid like "cowboys"

4 prancing gingerly around the main suspect and not detaining, interrogating, searching, collecting evidence unlike that in #3 above.

5 Alledged inkings of croonyism, corruption and compiracy of the PVDS and company.

and a list too numberous to go on

Natalie didnt "mess up" Aruna's image by getting herslef either murderedand/or kidnapped.

A sexual predator has his ploy in play long before he has stalked his victim. Usually he is looking for certain characteristics to fit his image of his victim. Natalie fitted that.

She may have wanted to drink and flirt, no harm in that.

However if she was doing everything wrong, it isnt her fault she is presumed dead or missing.
Noone has the right to kill or kidnap anyone.

Remember Aruba is safe.

Perhaps maybe Natlie and the rest of USA shouldnt have even set foot on Aruba soils. Hopefully, the other 30% of GDP can sustain the country.

What Aruba needs to understand, we just want Natalie back..preferably alive and in good health. If now we want her body and those who cause her death.

We will happy to go away with our goals met.

If not, this will be a long "marriage"

BTW, it wont be our economy which will suffer.

Better call in more drugs and other white slavery, the economy will need them because your corrupt officials cant make it on coconuts and pineapples.

[michele in bham]

Texas05, about JVDS being paid for Natalee, read this:

You can write Natalee off on the White Slave thing...she does not and would not be of interest to those who deal in the trade....trust me, I been there...and I know their rules. Natalee is with whomever she thought to be the supreme being.

What is really unfortunate, is the family is accepting whatever is flushed out of the Police in Aruba! The Peaceful Island? Yeah, right! There are Drug Dealers every 50-100 feet. "Anything goes" in Aruba.

If you cross the wrong person in Aruba, thew will cut oyur head off and feed you to the Sharks. The Sharks take care of many problems in Aruba. Especially on the winward sidse of the Island. The Police are blowing smoke to the Holloway-Twitty family!

I worked a Drug Supression Team with the Dutch between Amsterdam and the Banhof in Koblenz, Germany. YOU CAN USE A POLYGRAPH UNDER THE DUTCH SYSTEM. Like America, it can not be used in court.

It can only be used and an Investigatove aid. Under the Dutch system, you can be tried for murder without a body...BUT, you can't be tried without "Testominal, Trace, Physical or Forensics evidence." and it appears that the Families of the Teenagers cleaned all that up. They will wear down the Holloway-Twitty Family and when they go back home, things quiet down, the poor little rich boys will be released.

If justice is to be served as sometimes it is, some millionaire will hire a "Ghost" and the suspects in this case will disappear....in it crudest form, Justice will be served! God Bless you Natalee, no matter where you are!

Ron Watson
Crime Scene Reconstructionist http://comebackalive.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=10351&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=105&sid=bf18d09452332322ab613e2c44f95182

[pkt]

I think those friends of Natalee are holding back for sure. I suspect the holding back is being suggested by the Twitty's and the FBI to protect the case. It is very odd that she left on her own with little info on what state... what emotion... she was in when she was leaving. The other possibility is there was some drug use and they were all partaking and they don't want the attention on that fact. I only say this because I sense some guilt coming from her friends.

[texas05]

anyone heard any specifics on the break-in the same early morning of nh disappearance? where the tarp, etc. were stolen. is this fact?

[michele in bham]

Danm you may be mis reading me. I personally don't have a problem with the kids keeping their mouths shut.

Having worked in Mountain brook and knowing who some of the kids are (or who their parents are) it's very likely and just about a sure thing that we will never hear any more from those kids than you are hearing right now.

It's not going to be talked about by them, and it's not because Marcia Twitty says so.

It's because they don't want the scandal attached to their names.

In that city, that's just the way it is.

And I'm not saying it's a bad thing. They are all just kids. They shouldn't have a black mark next to their names for the rest of their lives.

I do however fault their parents for knowingly and willingly sending them off for a week of drinking and gambling.

THAT'S the real issue that most of these parents want covered up.

[AnJeL]

PHUNKTIFIED:
I HAVE BEEN IN ARUBA 2 TIMES WITHIN THE PAST 8 MONTHS AND CARLOS N CHARLIES IS VERY MUCH SO IN A "SEEDY" PART OF TOWN!. I TOOK A TAXI RIDE THERE AND NO WAY IN HELL WAS I GOING TO GO INTO THAT AREA THERE. I MADE THE TAXI DO A U-TURN AND TAKE ME SOMEWHER ELSE! THE AREA IS NASTY NASTY NASTY!
YOU MAY HAVE A DIFFERENT DEFINITION OF SEEDY, BUT AS AN AMERICAN GIRL FROM A MAJOR CITY- IVE SEEN SEEDY AND THAT PLACE IS IN A SEEDY PART OF TOWN!..EWWWWWW!

[true justice]

Dan - Now, I think we can be fair. Both sides should be told. We want the Aruban officials to release information, yet there has been almost zero information coming from our side. That could partially lead to the Arubans developing this attitude that you are mentioning. Which, BTW, I think is most unfortunate. They could use this whole tragic affair to get together and demand a change in their government and a revamping of their LE. However, I have found from living abroad that foreign governments use America-bashing as a scapegoat to keep their "subjects" from demanding change where it belongs - right in their own corrupt governments.
I am totally opposed to any kind of victim blaming or bashing, but I do differentiate between blaming and letting the truth out, whatever it is.
I agree that MicheleinBham's statement was suggestive. If she had something to say, she should have come right out and said it or clarified what was meant by running in that circle. (What circle?)

[michele in bham]

True Justice, as I understand it, the Twitty's both had to work.

My friend's friend family is a one income family in MOuntain Brook, and the dad is a doctor.

The family is a conservative christian family.

I didn't get a chance to ask her what the comment meant, but I doubt she meant financial circles.

[MiniMe]

I hope all news for Beth & her hubby is not bad news. Its almost like you have to believe that someone he either knew or did not know approached Joran on the beach that night with Natalee and took her. There is something fishy here. Or is could be she was drugged and it killed her.
Thats all that makes any sence with the two boys being turned loose now. Something has go to give !

[observer]

Any attack on the US media is unjustified. The U.S. media is what is keeping this investigation alive. If FOX News was not covering this as forcefully and attractive international attention, the 2 black security guards who were initially arrested would not be tried for murder, or if they were released, the 3 boys would also have been quickly released (or not re-arrested) and this entire thing would have been brushed under the rug.

You stinky dirty Arubans.

[texas05]

I find it hard to believe that NH cannot be found if something was done "with her" with JVDS in a few short hours following whatever happened. It certainly must have had several involved in a fast thinking perfect plan...or one that had been done many times? Otherwise maybe something was done "with her" in the days following??? What are your thoughts...anyone?

[letsbefair]

The crack houses behind C&C's aren't seedy at all. And the place itself has all the charm of a drunken Roman orgy. Plus there's plenty of local boys to hit on the girls. Add in the drug dealers just outside, and you have the perfect place to send your teenage daughter...

[brock]

I want the media to leave so those stupid ass Arubans can shift the blame back on the Vander Sloots and make their life a living hell.

[michele in bham]

Observer, it's not the Aruban's that run Aruba. It's the Dutch and the organized crime people.

[seedyrum]

I am not a conservative person. Actually too much stringent controls by whomever can be a destructive as permissiveness.

One dont have to be conservative to do the right thing.

As many poeple who are conservative and/or riligious kill steal, do drugs, sex crazed and the list go on as do the permissive ones.

Its the values of the parents to teach their children the right ways, but also the child's responsibility to learn those values and itilize them in a rightful manner.

First we have to know the parents have values.

Conservative are as biased and crooked and power hungry if not more so than other folks.

[observer]

Michelle - point well taken, but the local Arubans are still to blame, because they accept and don't stand up to the organized crime and influential families that run the island. That lack of courage is what stinks -- c'mon, throughout history and repressed societies, people had to stand up against the crap in their society - now is such a time for Aruba.

Tourism may not have sufferred yet b/c passengers could not cancel their plans, but trustt me, after hearing the Aruba case on TV every day, Americans will think twice before visiting there.

[hammer]

michele in bham writes:

""...for knowingly and willingly sending them off for a week of drinking and gambling...""

You're referring to our favorite dysfunctional family, right?

That would be the Van der Sloots.

Every time we hear about 17 yr old Joran, he's out drinking and gambling -- until 3-4 in the morning, and on school nights, nights befire final exams.

Geez. What are you saying?