Miller Must Be A Fool

Sorry for the ES fans, but this is pathetic. If you genuinely want to search the property of anyone involved in a murder investigation, you do not show up unexpectedly at the front gate with Fox News filming in the background.

Miller greeted TV audiences with a smirk tonight when the Fox reporter led him into what was likely a pre-planned discussion of an alleged confrontation with Paul(us) Van der Sloot at his home yesterday. Apparently, Miller is also taking some enjoyment from his plans to "keep up the heat" on Van der Sloot to facilitate a search of his private property.

While I would expect and support any and all efforts by the Aruban authorities, now working in conjunction with the FBI to secure the proper warrants necessary to carry out a search of the property ... carrying on a sideshow that gets you face time on Fox News is no way to solve what is possibly a murder investigation.

It must be Carnival time in Aruba, because the circus is clearly in town.

Comments

[Coolbeans]

Why is this guy back? He said they did a thorough search the first time. Did he need another vacation or just more air time?

All the leaches make me sick.

Coolbeans

[nancy]

Dan is there something you know about ES or Tim Miller? You didn't say anything bad about them but you also said you wouldn't donate to them either. I'm just curious and would like to know more about them and not through their website.

[bhm mom too]

Great post. Sometimes I think the media has helped move this forward. Other times I think Fox has everyone in defense mode to the degree the case has been paralyzed by CYA.

[sleuth]

Thank you, Dan. I agree wholeheartedly.

[annie]

He would be far more effective offering that PVS, his lawyer and the Aruban LE be present when he searches, but that he be allowed to search the entire property and work it that way. Showing up unannounced is not going to win him over with PVS.

[k.jeanne]

Coolbeans, the deep well has not been searched at VDS property. It is a concern.

[Dan]

Yes, Nancy there are reports ... most don't want to go on record but behind the scenes .. there's talk. Some America reporters I have talked with simply laugh these days.

[realitybased]

Miller is going to try to use the same tactics he used in destroying the guy Abel who Miller FELT was responsible for his daughter's death. There was never any evidence against Abel, but Miller did everything in his power to destroy the man. Miller did wind up in a psychiatric facility and I think he needs to be admitted again.

This man is beyond contempt...but I'm beginning to think it's monkey see monkey do with all these people.

[Balance]

Dan's just jealous because Red from SM is there with Tim and he hasn't been asked back anywhere since his burp-filled stutterfest on FOX a while back. ROFL.

[Shari]

New eye witnesses?

[cricket]

Well - it worked when Greta showed up with Beth Holloway Twitty, with the cameras in tow.

Aruban LE is not going to put any pressure on PVDS, so why shouldn't Tim Miller? If his son is innocent, what does he have to hide?

[k.jeanne]

I have great admiration for people (Equusearch) who donate their time to such a cause. I believe they are very altruistic, but they ARE human. They, too, are prone to egos, emotions and struggle for power. They are surely very overwrought after this long. Still, I agree with Dan that the smirk on Tim Miller's face did not speak well.

[mariaK]

Dan-I agree with you 1000%. Am I not the only one who noticed that Tim Miller, et al were all ready to board the plane to Hawaii when that guy was missing. Still, I don't remember any of them heading off to Idaho to find the Groene kids. I know they are volunteers, but they seem more likely to volunteer when tropical islands are involved.
Also, Tim made a complete a*s of himself on Geraldo's joke of a show tonight. I don't think many people paid Miller's way to Aruba so he could shill himself for a sideshow. Did he not learn in the psychiatric hospital that you don't go to a foreign, sovereign country and make threats. LE and the FBI need to escort him off the island now. Miller said he would make Paulus van der Sloot's life miserable, and "that's not a threat, it's a promise." He really believes now that anything he finds in his "searches" will not be viewed skeptically. I'm now waiting for him to show up as a FoxNews correspondent!

[ExGman]

I think Miller has been in the jar a little too much; fried stewed and BBQ'd describes him tonight; the coverage of this tragedy has turned totally tabloid....

[birmingham dog]

The FBI searched the VD Sloot grounds very eefectively before at the beginning f this investigation, they brouhgt out bag and bags and bags of evidence. Do you NOT remember seeing this on all the Media channels ? I can remember very clearly this happening, they were black garbage bags and there were lots of them. I am SURE the FBI is completely satisifed with their search of the VD Sloot grounds, if Not then they would be back there searching again. And just like they ALready Searched the landfill and the pond. I dont like the PI that the Twitys hired and this EquSearch Team is starting to look like they too want just the limelight, the landfll has aready been searched but the EquSearch team isout there with the TV cameras a rolling everyday. And I might add that GERALDO is Behind the VD Sloot search request. Do any of You TRUST Geraldo ? I don't.....

GWD

[TexasGal]

The FBI searched the VD Sloot grounds very eefectively before at the beginning f this investigation, they brouhgt out bag and bags and bags of evidence. Do you NOT remember seeing this on all the Media channels ? I can remember very clearly this happening, they were black garbage bags and there were lots of them. I am SURE the FBI is completely satisifed with their search of the VD Sloot grounds, if Not then they would be back there searching again.

GWD

Posted by: birmingham dog |

Yes, yes and yes. I honestly don't blame PVDS for being upset and unwilling to let whoever has a hankering to come on their personal property and look around. If there is enough suspicion to warrant a new search warrant then by golly GET ONE!

[chandellesmom]

Can you say "restraining order"?

[Jessie]

This is not longer about a criminal investigation and evidence. This is all about pshchological warfare. There will be no new evidence and no new creditable witnesses in this case by this new team. It will be interesting to see when and if the government shuts this down.

[k.jeanne]

birmingham dog:

Yes, *I* remember the bags of "stuff" the polices took from the VDS's. I am sure they also searched the property. But...there has been many conflicting stories about the arubian police. Also they did not have the dogs or the equipment that Equusearch has. The deep well has been a concern from almost the beginning. The police certainly didn't have the equipment to search it, but Miller brought equipment to lower into the well to search. So why not allow him to do it...if there is nothing to hide???

[mariaK]

cricket-like I said in an earlier post. How does Mr. van der Sloot not know that something may get "planted" by one of these private searches. This group (Equuasearch) is a private organization so how would evidence even be accepted if any is found. They are NOT a law enforcement agency. Besides, Tim Miller showed up at the vdS home rattling the gate and shouting. He obviously is way too unstable to be trusted. I wouldn't let him on my property and I know I didn't have anything to do with Natalee's disappearance!

[musicgirlms]

While you may not agree with Tim Miller's going to the VDS household, it seems a bit rough for you to call him a 'fool.' You might have a smirk on your face, too, if you had spent hours of your time trying to search and rescue for someone and you may go to drastic measures, too.

It's not as if the Aruban LE has actually been overly helpful from the get go.

I commend Tim Miller and his hours of efforts through some very tough situations.

[angelaberdine]

Yes, yes and yes. I honestly don't blame PVDS for being upset and unwilling to let whoever has a hankering to come on their personal property and look around. If there is enough suspicion to warrant a new search warrant then by golly GET ONE!

Posted by: TexasGal | July 31, 2005 10:54 PM

Nice to see you hear. How are Molly, Dan, et al doing?

[frenchymom]

While I think Tim Miller's group as a whole wants to do well for others, I can't help but wonder if Tim himself has gotten caught up in his "15 minutes of fame" and sees book and movie deals on the horizon as it appears TJ the PI now sees....

It is saddening to see a family like the Holloways and Twitty's being taken advantage of during this time of personal tragedy.

[birmingham dog]

K.J, it was not the plice that searched the VD Sloot Home but it was OUR(USA) FBI, do you not remember. I do very clearly, it was the FBI and not just the police. The FBI has been in on this investigation from the beginning, some people just dont want to realise this. Do you not think the FBI is thorough? they are professionals and I am sure they did a search of the whole property. IMHO the Twitys are NOT helping with this case they are hindering the seacrh. I feel for the mother and real father, and they have kept the Media in on this case but for the investigation the Twitys have hurt the case in my opinion.
I am glad to see others share my thoughts about this. If you have these sort of thoughts ver at Scared Monkeys you get banned.

GWD

[jordis]

Totally agree about Tim Miler!! He lives ear my sister and they said his reputation is one of camera hog. She said he's annoying and pretends to know stuff that he doesn't know!!She also said he's been in th Waldorf Hysteria(that's what we psych nurses call our facilities) a couple times with anger issues and who knows what else. No doubt about it... he's WHACK!!

[TexasGal]

Posted by: TexasGal | July 31, 2005 10:54 PM

Nice to see you hear. How are Molly, Dan, et al doing?

Posted by: angelaberdine

I don't understand what you are asking me.

[Another observer]

Tim Miller may have a problem talking before he thinks sometimes, but I do not blame him for being emotional. If the circumstances suggest that PVDS and the 3 boys know what happened to NH, then why would not anyone make their lives a living hell? It's time to take the boxing gloves off and treat the corrupt Aruban LE and govt like the crooks they are.

[mariaK]

musicgirlms-If I remember correctly, it seems that some nights Tim Miller praises Aruban LE. Other nights, not so much. Maybe it depends on which medication he is taking that night. The point is, he is a private citizen from a foreign country and NO INDIVIDUAL OR BUSINESS has to allow him on private property. He needs to just keep digging in the garbage until no one is interested in interviewing him, then he can slink on home. Wait for him to be a FoxNews correspondent!

[bubble]

Right On Dan!!!

[(((AG)))]

I distinctly remember dogs being at the VDS house when the Aruban LE and FBI visited.

IMO Fox News is egging Miller on and he is falling for all their attention. Innocent or not, I would never allow a private concern such as ES to roam around my property willy nilly. Hell some opportunist could plant a bloody glove or something. If the police and the FBI want a return visit, given what maybe ES has told them or information from another entity, then let LE get a search warrant and go to it. This man, Tim Miller, is letting a little publicity feed what is becoming an immense ego fed by Fox News and their greed for a story, any story, true or false.

NO, Tim, you are not searching my property.

[birmingham dog]

I dont know about you all, buit if it was MY Daughter that was supposed to be dumped at that landfill, I WOULD BE THERE MYSELF SEARCHING.

WHERE are the Twitys searching? and by the way Have any of You seen the Twity's SEARCHING anywhere? Now I have seen DAVE HOLLOWAY Searching all over the place, and back home here in Birmingham there is talk about some serious conflict between the Twitys and Holloways.

MYSELF I am with DAVE HOLLOWAY.

GWD

[ExGman]

ANd Heressssssssssssssss Timmmmmmmmy

[k.jeanne]

birmingham dog, you are entitled to any of your thoughts...by the same token, so am I. I still say the well needs to be searched. It has been of great concern. I admire people who can give of their time to such efforts. If not for them, then who would do these things that surely need to be done? The police have stated that they do not have the man power and equipment to carry out these searches. We all know Beth and Dave will never be the same after this great tragedy. Well neither is Tim Miller...he suffered the same horrible loss. It surely has left it's scars for him as well.

[mariaK]

birmingham dog:Have you read this editorial http://www.steveyuhas.com/columns/yuhas_20050730.htm
It appears that several people are asking the same question. I don't want to dis the mom because I can't imagine this tragedy, but maybe she was searching while she was buying a new swimsuit. And surely you don't expect Jug to get dirty. Still, I remember when the barrel was pulled in, Dave Holloway was swimming in the water helping. He actually gets in there and helps instead of just trying to bully people and shop.

[hobo]

Geraldo? He was the reporter that publicized US troops combat attack plans earlier in the war in Iraq. Got banned.

I'm too am disappointed in Millers behavior--I hope it isn't his style. Maybe he needs some time off to reflect a little; too many deaths and too much trauma can have a cumulative effect. In spite of his erratic behavior, he has provided some commendable services in the past.

I can't help but wonder, though, if this isn't part of a plan to keep the heat on. Try to imagine the pressure PVDS must be under in that community. Also, recall that it doesn't appear he has been all that cooperative.

I'm the father of two kids I love more than anything and can't imagine the pressure Beth is undergoing--I don't know if I could handle it. I swear to God my heart aches everyday over this crime. Prayers for Beth and Natalee!!!

[mick]

Hey that guy stole my post. First the SM home page and now this. I wonder if ustt will tell him to take it off site. I speak in jest gracious host.

[nursemind]

Tim Miller is just another American acting like a know it all along with the Fox news media, ie: Greta and Geraldo, and CNN's Nancy NoGrace. They're all giving us a bad name and if I lived in Aruba I'd have a poor view of Americans right now. And no, Tim Miller, you can't search my house and I suggest you go through the proper channels to try to search PVS's. Stop acting like a Texas cowboy.

[k.jeanne]

"to dis the mom because I can't imagine this tragedy, but maybe she was searching while she was buying a new swimsuit."

Why then say these things about her??? How can anyone begrudge Beth something that might distract her for a little while? Perhaps those who think she is wrong for shopping should walk in her shoes for a few days???? I left home in an emergency situation to be with my son in a hospital for a month. I had to buy more clothes suited to the climate. That didn't mean my heart wasn't breaking all the while!

[Granny Toad]

It must be Carnival time in Aruba, because the circus is clearly in town.

Posted by Dan

Dan, it's been a circus since day 1. If ya can't lick 'em, why not join 'em.

*shrug*

I can't help admitting that I enjoyed hearing of Paulus' discomfiture. Even if it was all a bit uncivilized. YES, there ought to be a real search warrant acted upon by Aruba authorities on that place - what's left of it after the moving van & 2 months' lead time.

And the cesspools!

[birmingham dog]

All I know is that I have seen Dave Holloway actively searching, but I just dnt know maybe it's me but if it was my daughter that MIGHT be in that Landfill, I'd be all over that place digging.

Dave Holloway is a class act and has not done anything but positive things for this case, ubnlike the Other family members. Beth Twity is the one that tuirsts those Mtn Brook kids, from what I have seen her judgement is not that good, emotions aside. (I am sure hse is under intense pressure). However, we want results not photo-ops.

While some on here decry the lack of info news from the Arubans, what about these mtn Brook kids? Their storys have also changed and been discounted as being false and inaccurate. Focusing 100% on the Aruban boys have yeiled Nothing. Joran is 17 yrs old, do you really think that a 17 yr old could keep his mouth shut for 2 months? Do you really think a 17yr old could committ the PERECT Crime? I dont...but "other" kids that immediately fled the country when their schollmate was missing might have could.

GWD

[Granny Toad]

the deep well has not been searched at VDS property. It is a concern.

Posted by: k.jeanne | July 31, 2005 10:34 PM

Why? Do you think the household water is contaminated with a decomposing body or a sneaker? I never got the well-search notion.

[k.jeanne]

Granny Toad,

It is my understanding that it is not a well that provides their water. It is an abandoned well.

[Granny Toad]

I am SURE the FBI is completely satisifed with their search of the VD Sloot grounds, if Not then they would be back there searching again.
Posted by: birmingham dog | July 31, 2005 10:50 PM

You may be. Beth isn't. She said that Paulus directed the search, indicated what he would and would not allow to be seached. Any questions, ask her. I believe her.

[mariaK]

k.jeanne-where did you get that information? If it is abandoned, wouldn't it be capped? If it is in use, it would have to have screens to protect the water supply. That is, if there is even a well there at all.

[hotbabe]

I respect Dave a lot, he never bashes anyone when he goes on TV. As far as PVDS, Tim Miller agging it on doesn't help matters. Lets all get on the same road here, this investigation is a circus from hell.

[Granny Toad]

K.J, it was not the plice that searched the VD Sloot Home but it was OUR(USA) FBI, do you not remember. I do very clearly, it was the FBI and not just the police. The FBI has been in on this investigation from the beginning, some people just dont want to realise this. Do you not think the FBI is thorough? they are professionals and I am sure they did a search of the whole property.

Posted by: birmingham dog | July 31, 2005 11:05 PM

Your error is being unaware that FBI had only been allowed to (sometimes, not always) observe. No participation allowed.

[k.jeanne]

mariaK, The info about the well was discussed often on the discussion pages here. There was a poster from Aruba that knew about it and talked about it. It was apparently a well that the opening would be large enough to get a body in because that has been the concern. Usually those kinds of wells have wooden coverings that can be removed. Search the archives...the info is there about the well.

[mick]

"You may be. Beth isn't. She said that Paulus directed the search, indicated what he would and would not allow to be seached. Any questions, ask her. I believe her."

Correct me if I am wrong but I think Beth is referring to a previous TES search at the Van Der Sloots', not of the 2 searches previously conducted by LE. Eguusearch was already there and Tim is pissed because he really wants to look in that well. He probably doesn't even know what the well looks like. Could be a 4" pipe. Is it shown in the photo that Dan provided?

[Granny Toad]

k.jeanne-where did you get that information? If it is abandoned, wouldn't it be capped? If it is in use, it would have to have screens to protect the water supply. That is, if there is even a well there at all.

Posted by: mariaK | July 31, 2005 11:48 PM

Is that a pressure tank/s or hot water tanks or what, in left front of the long rectangular building? Perhaps the well fills the pool.

[Granny Toad]

Could be a 4" pipe. Is it shown in the photo that Dan provided?

Posted by: mick | July 31, 2005 11:54 PM

Not looking at the photo but from memory it's just the other side of the pool, maybe a little to the left, almost in shade of greenery. A vertical pipe(?) sticks up from the center.

I'd check the cesspools. Each structure may have one, so up to 3.