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Hmmm, if it acts like a duck, walks like a duck and does a lot of ducking, I'd say it's a duck! I'm with Beth Twitty, both Kalpoes are criminals. All that is in question is the degree to which they are involved in this crime.

What you say has substance provided that a murder has been committed. Without a crime, there can be no justice to obstruct or hinder. I am not here to give you guys a hard time. I am just pointing out a basic tenent of law. Janssen cannot substantiate that a crime has been committed. The Arubans have arrested all these people without a foundation. Now, the judges have to contend with Janssen's premature maneuvers.

Dan,

First, I'm pretty sure that the "judge, jury, and executioner" comment was figurative. Obviously he wasn't saying that Twitty held a trial, decided the case, and killed Satish.

Second, Satish's lawyer certainly has a strong defamation case against Twitty. First, no one's claimed that Satish has committed a crime under Aruban law. Obstruction of justice is a crime in the US, but what are the requirements for one to be guilty of it? I'm sure you don't know, and I'm sure you can't show that Satish has satisfied all the elements. Also, it's not clear whether it's a crime in Aruba. And if it were, wouldn't he be facing charges? Therefore, Twitty made a false accusation that Satish was a criminal when she had no facts to back it up.

There's an even stronger argument for defamation though, that you overlook. You focus on the "criminal" comment, but you forget that Twitty said that Satish was "involved in a violent crime against" Natalee. This is completely without basis in fact.

Now all you need to seal a defamation lawsuit is proved damages. I don't think Satish will have much of a problem showing that Twitty's remarks tend to damage his reputation significantly.

Before you think with your emotions, sit on the sidelines and think about what this lawyer said. A claim for defamation has a good chance of being successful here.

It struck me that Beth Holloway speciffically said a "violent crime" was commited against her daughter. I do believe the Holloways know much more than they can say for whatever reason that is but you know, nobody made the Kalpoe brothers apologize when they lied about where they left natalee and caused two innocent men to go to jail. Give me a break. They obstructed an investigation, wasted time that could and should have been used to search their homes and their vehicles and now they want someone to say "sorry" WHATEVER - If that happened here in America any judge before relesing them if they had even been released would have at least stipulated they not leave the area being that they are still involved in a investigation - geez next Paul Van dersloot will want an apology for saying "no body no case" if you ask me, the aruba police should be the ones apologizing for messing up this investigation so badly and not taking help that has been available tot hem all this time.

It is amazing that the people of Aruba are angry with this family and telling them to "respect aruba law or go home" How can you respect a system that lets the last people seen with natalee holloway go free with no search of their homes or vehicles for evidence and gives them time to cover their tracks completely? How can you respect a system that will not accept the help of the FBI nad impedes any attempt of outside agaencies and searchers? How can you respect a system that lets suspects go free who lie and obstruct investigations - example - steve croes who's story is so clearly total b.s. anyone can see it - paul vandersloot who had a detailed story prepared for his son before natalee was even missing 24 hours and told him "no body no case" and the kalpoe brothers who lied and changed their story again and again and still were let go to freely move anywhere they want to. How do you respect a system that allows a man with judicial ties, Paul Vandersloot to privately visit his son, and who converses with other judicial officials involved int his case? I can not respect a sysytem like that and if the people in Aruba can't get that then hey...sorry

Nick,

My point isn't to argue the law. The fact is he lied about facts pertinent to the investigation of a woman's missing daughter. That we DO know.

My point is about class, character, humanity - anything you want to call it. I really don't care about the "law" in this specific matter being addressed. From the point of "social" commentary, this lawsuit nonsense makes them all look like hideous animals.

The lies of these boys as much as anything else de-railed this entire investigation, put the wrong people in jail and likely could have led to the destruction or deterioration of evidence.

A judge might enjoy arguing the fine points of the law around this. A man might just step up and call a slimey degenerate just that and throttle the little cretin and his lawyer for their inhumanity, if nothing else.

The future for Satish is already likely Zero as it is. And not because of damage to his reputation by the statements of another. His lawyer's posturing, if it continues, will all but assure that - if it hasn't already been determined by fate. My best guess is he has no idea what can of worms he opened up with his initial lies.

The way things are going this will end in no justice for anyone invloved. But all involved will pay, perhaps more dearly than they realize just now.

Who's to say that the definitions of "crime" and "criminal" under Aruban law are operative in determining a defamatory statement?

Better check your dictionary - Beth is more than adequately covered.

Oh, and the Kalpoes' rep was already messed up before the press conference. Lying to obstruct an official missing persons investigation isn't too good for the image.

Wasn't it Shakespeare who said, "I think thou protest too much"; Kalpoe's attorney certainly protests a lot. Great point, on your part, to make about him calling Beth a murderer--if needed, she has a case against them.

It appears that some posting here have the U.S. legal system confused with the DOD GITMO system.
If these 3 boys could have just been arrested in Iraq or accused of being terrorists the parents of NH would have had a much easier go of this.

Well let see, we have 16 year old's drinking, prostitution, gambling, easy access to drugs, proven criminals,(when weighed against any other system of law), being coached by a memeber of the judicial system and allowed to walk around freely. Then we can toss in a few rumors of government corruption and drug money laundering.

Cool place, this Aruba.

Harry,

No crime? Where is Natalee?

Nick,

You must be privileged. If no one is sure about evidence, what makes you the authority?

Get real.

Satish and company facilitated the violent crime that clearly was commited against Natalee by virtue of taking her to where she met this tragedy, although they may not have been directly involved in the violence. The criminal aspect lies in the lying that they did 'obstructing justice'. So Beth Holloway is right, they commited a crime by lying and somehow they are linked to whatever happened to her daughter although they may not have actually committed the violent crime.

This is a forum about a missing person, and not about American foreign policy. All arm-chair quaterbacks with hostility toward "Gitmo," please exit stage left.

A lynch mob mentality may satisfy emotions, but it does not provide justice.

All government is incompentent, both in Aruba and in the US. Sometimes they get it right and sometimes they don't, but in general, because they get the same paycheck if they are correct or screwup, they have no incentive to excell. Look at the public school system in the USA if you doubt this. You think we should send Marsha Clark of OJ fame to do a better job than the Aruban prosecutor?

None of you know who is guilty and who is innocent in this case. Beth and family do not know either. All we really know is that Natalee is missing and that Joran and the brothers initially lied about what happened, which created suspicion. The lie could have been an indication of guilt, or it could have been because of another reason coming from as yet underdeveloped teenage minds.

Frankly, I think, if Joran and the brothers had said that the brothers dropped off Joran and Natalee on the beach and then Joran said they had sex and he left because he had school the next day, all three would never have been arested; just my judgement.

I would say that Beth needs to go home to recover her balance. After the court hearing for the appeals this coming Friday or Monday, this case is going to be old news. Nothing is likely to happen, baring an unlikely discovery of a body, and the press is is going to go home. Beth and family will not be asked for interviews and they need to regain some stability from returning to familiar surroundings and familiar routines.

Maybe the family will get lucky and some new break will happen, but they can do little more at this point other than alienate the Aruban authorities.

All of a sudden, in the blink of an eye, the Kalpoe brothers, and their attorneys are outraged by the way Natalee's mother is treating them.

Very strange, but it should be the other way around.

Do the citizens of Aruba value the Kalpoes to the point they want to take it on the chin for them in the long term? I don't think so.

Perhaps the Kalpoes should've been the ones disposed of? No body, no evidence, no case?

In fact, is Paulus Van Der Sloot of such value the Dutch are willing to take it on the chin for him? Not likely. He didn't even pass the "test" to become a judge.

Now, the shoe is on the other foot. The same prejudice that treated Natalee like an insignificant plaything, and that had two innocent black men wrongly arrested, is now working against both the Van Der Sloots, and the Kalpoes.

Anything uneven there socially?

Lets see...

1. Kalpoe brothers LIED to polis causing security
guards to be arrested

2. Polis did not immediately arrest Kalpoe
knowing they were the last to see Natalee.

3. Arrest made, Lie continued by Kalpoe Brothers

4. Kalpoe brothers admit to lying and change
story.

5. And they want to sue after playing a key role
in altering the investigation?

6. Are they not afraid of a law suit being filed
on their activity??

If not so tragic, this would be funny.

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY OWES NO ONE ANY APOLOGY
and for the Kalpoe Bro..to even suggest a lawsuit
I say HAHAHAHA what scum...

I have not heard anyone apologize to Beth Twitty
that she is in the middle of a living hell
because her daughter had been missing for almost 40 days... and their is NO EVIDENCE AND NO BODY
and that the 3 prime suspects WERE ALLOWED TO RUN LOOSE ON THE STREETS OF ARUBA for ten before being arrested for the crime..after THeY LIED TO AUTHORITES...

WHERE ARE ALL THE APOLOGIZES owed to Beth and her family?

And will any of these apologizes even begin to give restitution for the life of NATALEE..

WHAT A SICK and I mean S I C K world we live in.
SICCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCK


How about Satish publicly APOLOGIZING to the two black security guards who landed in jail because of his LIES?

This makes me more sick every day.

It is unlikely that the Kalpoe brother will sue anyone. If Deepak is not rearrested later on he will likley change his name and come to the US as an illegal thru Mexico and get a job in a internet cafe or a 7 Eleven.

unrelated but anyone have any more info on the breaking news of explosions in the london subway???

hope4natalee, I was assuming it is al Qaeda terrorism but as you probably know it could be eco-terrorists secondary to the G8 meeting.

Moggy, That is such a good point!

Well, the Twitty's said the same thing the Prosecutors; the Chief of Polis; and the local newspapers said - what we see here is evident that Aruba is run by Mafia like criminals.

Aruba wake up - it's the ever changing stories by the Aruba justices authorities than affected the world's opinion, not the lone voice of a woman looking for her daughter.

The Aruba Polis stormed the black guards homes and pussy footed around the trio's homes for ten days. Hello - duh?

We are lucky to have american judical system with trial by jury; in Aruba justice is served by a loan judge which could leave open the door for corruption. Let's hope the Curaco judge's are more intelligent - otherwise the Aruban's will make Beth Twitty appologize to the ones whom may have been involved in foul play against her daughter.

London explosion. Fox is saying probably terror attack. CNN is saying likely power surge in the tube. Lets see who gets it more right at the first. My bet is on CNN. Takes FOX at least 3 passes and the story to get it right.

What you say has substance provided that a murder has been committed. Without a crime, there can be no justice to obstruct or hinder. I am not here to give you guys a hard time. I am just pointing out a basic tenent of law. Janssen cannot substantiate that a crime has been committed. The Arubans have arrested all these people without a foundation. Now, the judges have to contend with Janssen's premature maneuvers.

Posted by: harry | July 7, 2005 02:49 AM

"What you say has substance provided that a murder has been committed."

Granted, the investigation is still under way to determine if it was a murder, or not. But what Dan said has substance whether a murder has been proven yet or not.

"Without a crime, there can be no justice to obstruct or hinder."

Obstruction of justice is a crime in and of itself, not an extension of another crime. Whether it's referred to in the Dutch legal system still seems to be a mystery at this point. All Dutch legal experts I've seen answering that question have stated that it MAY not be law under the Dutch system. If it is in fact recognized as part of the Dutch legal code, then there will not need to be a another crime established prior to the charge of obstruction of justice. Anyone have a definate answer as to whether obstruction of justice positively is or is not regarded under Dutch law?

So, if it is recognized under Dutch law, then the Kalpoe brothers, as well as PVDS, and Steve Croes could be charged with obstruction of justice, whether or not another crime has been established yet.

If it is not recognized as law, it is still considered by the judge(s) when making their decisions on whether or not to detain a suspect for further questioning. So, in essence, even if it's not in the law, it could affect any of the remaining suspects now or in the future.

No matter what, you gotta admit, it's just not a good idea to obstruct justice; i.e impede an investigation. It makes you look like a criminal! And it can have consequences during the legal process, whether or not a prior crime has been established. It's a no, no...but unfortuneately will probably not end up having any other consequences than a slap on the wrist.

"I am just pointing out a basic tenent of law."

I have just pointed out a basic tenet of law, above. It's called, 'obstruction of justice'.

"The Arubans have arrested all these people without a foundation."

Actually, under the Dutch legal system, suspects apparently have less rights than under the American system. Suspects can be detained (or arrested as you say) for questioning, up to 116 days I believe, without being charged of a crime. But you knew that already :)

"Now, the judges have to contend with Janssen's premature maneuvers."

Please explain the premature maneuvers that judges have to contend with. So far, the prosecution, the defense, and local LE have admitted that the process seems to be proceeding as it should to the letter of the Dutch law. I don't think we'll hear any complaints from the judge(s), so we may never know if they feel they are having to contend with any premature maneuvers. Could you be a bit more specific on what these 'premature maneuvers' are? And the way in which these so called 'premature maneuvers' are affecting the judge(s) in a negative way? Is that another wrinkle in the Dutch legal system that just hasn't been explained to everyone yet?

* On a side note, I tend to agree with Dan that the obvious humanity, or lack thereof, when making idle threats of a defamation lawsuit is absolutely appalling, especially considering the suit is coming from a suspect who has acted in a criminal manner by impeding an investigation, and with what appears to be no remorse for a missing, innocent girl. I don't care what country you come from, what nationality you are, where you were born, or what legal system you subscribe to, it is absolutely disgusting to even think of threatening the victim's mother with a lawsuit in this case! Why is nobody protesting in front of the Kalpoe's house, after everything's she been through, and the lack of answers they have provided?!? Worse than that, after they have given misleading statements for no apparent reason, obstructing the gathering of evidence for this case of a missing, innocent girl!

Now, I suspect someone will jump all over me for labelling the missing NH as a victim, since there is no proof a crime has been committed!

Some are blaming the victim and her family, and some are digging for the truth.

Get real! Please don't waste valuable time and resources pursuing a lawsuit against Beth Holloway Twitty, or interrogating her family members as possible suspects in this case. Where's Natalee? There are at least 3 suspects that more than likely know the answer, or can at least point the investigation in the right direction, if they so choose.

I would have to question whether suspects in a current case are allowed to pursue a defamation of character case right in the middle of a time sensitive investigation anyways. I would think that they would have to wait until the investigation ended....

...Hmmmm...food for thought...

God bless the Twitty's & Holloway's. There are countless people who won't let this case die & will fight every bit of the way to find the answers, whether it takes days, weeks, months, years, or decades, including myself.

Harry says "... Without a crime, there can be no justice to obstruct or hinder. I am not here to give you guys a hard time. I am just pointing out a basic tenent of law. Janssen cannot substantiate that a crime has been committed. The Arubans have arrested all these people without a foundation. Now, the judges have to contend with Janssen's premature maneuvers." it

That sounds very similar to Paul Van Der Sloot advising the boys "There is no crime without a body".

A very legalistic way to manipulate the truth.

It sure makes me appreciate the police and judicial system in the US.


An island by itself has no soul; it's the citizens that give the bright light of life; and it's the leaders whom can either brighten the light or turn it off.

Can you even imagine having the position of being a prosecutor in Aruba? She is in a tough position with the way the judicial system works having to continue to present "new evidence" and reasons to continue to hold the detained in this case. No wonder Aruba can claim they are a safe island, because after the initial detainment, if you cannot present more and more for the judge, then the detained is released.

Boy talk about working the systemt, so if anything the world has learned the Dutch judicial system and "create" the perfect crimes for which you can easily walk if you know how to cover your tracks!

As far as the lawsuit and "prejudicial, inflammatory, libelous and totally outrageous" statements. Isn't Beth Holloway entitled to her opinions based on the truth and facts she have been given?
Prejudicial- well the 3 suspects were able to convince the polis to arrest the 2 black security guards.
Inflammatory- not sure how that would damage someone- as with outrageous- what exactly law/damage would that entail-
Libel- wouldn't that be a statement that is written? Beth was speaking- as far as we know she did not write/publish her statement.

Seems the attorney for Kalpoe should be suing vds's for offering "bad advice" in his general statement to him.

Puddlejumper, I am outside of London. It was definitley a terrorist attack. Multiple explosions all over city. Entire subway system is stopped indefinitley. The whole upper half of a double decker bus was blown off. Definitley terrorists to coincide with London getting the Olympic bid for 2012 which was announced yesterday. B*stards.

www.news.bbc.co.uk

We are praying for the people in London.

I think that the Kalpoe's lawyer is trying to take the focus off of his client. It's ridiculous that all of a sudden there are protests against Beth and Jug. After all they are just trying to find out what happened to Natalee. Who can blame them for that. In addition, Beth said nothing wrong. I don't know how she's kept her cool for so long. I personally don't have children, but if something happened to my niece I would have probably freaked by now, and I could only imagine if it were my daughter.

The main point is that the Kalpoes lied! Why would you lie if you have nothing to hide. Unfortunately, I think that soon enough Joran is going to be set free.

I will not be living here come 2012 when the Olympics are here. They are going to have plenty of time to plan a massive attack.

Almost the whole population of London is Arab, too. Landing at Heathrow airport is like landing in India itself. There's no way to tell whats suspicious and whats not.

Let's see now:

One of your posters asserts that the last three known to be seen or having seen Natalee should have been immediately arrested by the Arubian authorities.
According to an article in the Guardian (a British newspaper) of two days ago there are 47,600 "active" missing person cases in the USA.
All these cases of course have persons last seen with the missing. If I follow the logic of that poster correctly, those persons are suspect and should have been arrested in order to prevent them from destroying "evidence". Get it?

Beth has been keeping a journal since day one - writing everything down.

Originally PVDS said he picked Joran up at 4am. Then after the investigation officially started he changed it to 11pm.

No wonder Beth is so frustrated. Everyone is clearly able to get away with bold faced lies and there is nothing she can do about it.

Moggy. I'm sorry to hear about the incidents in London. Stay safe.

Thoughts and prayers being sent to London this a.m.

Here's the net effect of the this new story... the lawyer "demands" BHT apologize, and she say's f-you, and here's why I think they're not innocent little boys who are entitled to soft glove treatment. The "here's what we know these cops know about the Kalpoes" ... the only issue that might forestall that is whether it queers the case. At this point, they should assume that she's not living, and press the local goofballs for progress.

The world really is watching, or enough of them, to affect this country's reputation and economy. I know I'm affected, and I spend 5K a week on virtually any vacation I take. I'll spend that elsewhere. Aruba is off the list for a long time, if not forever. It's synonomous to Mexico or Jamaica to me. No justice. Sure we have bad stuff in the US everyday, but this is a very small island, thinly populated, and bound by water.

Let's see now:

One of your posters asserts that the last three known to be seen or having seen Natalee should have been immediately arrested by the Arubian authorities.
According to an article in the Guardian (a British newspaper) of two days ago there are 47,600 "active" missing person cases in the USA.
All these cases of course have persons last seen with the missing. If I follow the logic of that poster correctly, those persons are suspect and should have been arrested in order to prevent them from destroying "evidence". Get it?

Posted by: oyster88 | July 7, 2005 07:04 AM

Oyster,

The key is if they are suspects, not if they are the last seen with the missing girl. In the case of Natalee Holloway, the last 3 people seen with her should have been suspects from the very beginning, and therefore detained and questioned and had evidence collected from them.

I would stress that they should have been suspects and detained on day 1, not on day 11. These suspects (all 3 still are confirmed suspects, the currently released Kalpoe's and the currently detained JVDS) just so happen to be the last 3 people seen with NH.

The key word is suspects. The fact that they are the last 3 seen with her is only a contributing factor of their being labled as suspects, but not the definitive factor in detaining them.

The sooner a person can be established as a suspect the better, as they can be detained, and prevented from destroying, hiding, or falsifying evidence. In the case of NH, the 3 current suspects should have, and could have, been detained during day 1 of the investigation, rather than day 11.

To sum things up, suspects should be detained if there is a possibility that it will aid in the collection of evidence to help in solving a case of a missing person. If the last people seen with a missing person happen to be a suspect, then yes, they should be detained if possible, until they are cleared. That is one thing that is true in both Dutch and American law.

If the Kalpoe's and JVDS were detained in the beginning (on day 1) it would have greatly aided in solving this case. If they are innocent, it would have aided the suspects, and they surely would have all been cleared by now. They are actually their own worst enemy in this case. By their actions, they suggest guilt.

Get it?

Praying for all of the people caught up in the horrific bombings in London.

BHT is right on to keep pressure on all suspects. I do see however, under her own legal counsel, I presume, she is changing tactics. Interviews BHT has given the last few days indicates they are going with the Kidnap theory. Mind you, they don't believe this, but with no body as PVDS says "no body, no crime" However if BHT lawyers charge kidnapping, they already have incriminating evidence such as lies by the Kalpoes, Lies by JVDS, the drugging of the drink, the confessions of "She kind of stumbling around at the beach" The confession of having sex, the comment "Something bad happened" I believe BHT has been informed by authorities that Natalee is probably dead, an no body will be recovered. So she has shifted gears onto the kidnapping theory in order to glean at least some justice. AFter all the boy admitted to being with her and then leaving her on the beach.

Now onto PVDS for a minute, has any one considered that he didn't pick up JVDS at 4am at the fast food resturant, but it was the other way around? JVDS and NH on the beach. It goes bad, he calls papa. Papa gets him and takes him home and then calls Police cheif friend. They dispose of NH body in dumpster. PC friend drops off dad and he walks to fast food resturant. He calls JVDS to pick him up. In the process he wakes up JVDS from sleep at 3:30am. JVDS sees he has a text message from Kalpoe while on the way to pick up dad, responds that he got home alright. Picks up dad, returns home. PVDS tells him not to worry, that NH wasn't there, probably wandered off, will probably show at crack house. JVDS then tells dad that Kalpoe brothers were around. PVDS confers with Police Cheif friend and then changes story again and says lets get the boys together and make up story about Holiday Inn. Plan to frame secruity guards is hatched. Kalpoe brother calls DJ friend to back story up in case JVDS and dad double cross them.

BHT is worried that JVDS will be released on technicality. By goind with kidnap theory, they at least glean some justice.

BTW, reports of a ransom note are either not credible or perhaps someone trying to cash in on someone elses misery.

Also to those who say NH did run away. Balderdash! How could she have evaded Equusearch, the FBI, DEA, Dutch Marines, Sattelites, police, general public, etc.

Could it be that the US is somehow culpable? If we have a DEA agent deep in the police force and to compromise his/her position would ruin an investigation.

Also, has anyone heard that the Police Chief is now beginning to sweat? Are the Dutch going to replace him? Are they tired of the bad press and going to make some changes?

I'm hearing rumors everywhere that the NH case is te be solved SOON.

About Beth's statements, I clearly understand they come from a deeply hurt person and I think everybody should forgive her for them. If evidence shows later that the Kalpoe's are innocent I am sure that Beth Holloway will not speak like criminals about them anymore. I think the Kalpoe lawyer should take a step back and just wait until the case is resolved.

I also ask everybody to stop bashing Aruba. What happened with the NH case in Aruba is a first. The people are in shock and will also need to grieve over NH after all the facts are out there. Just please stop turning us all into monsters, most of us have been praying for NH and her family since day one.

Dolores:

Have you heard if it has anything to do with the possible container Equusearch says they may have found about 1/2 mile off the northern coast of the island? Or maybe something the F-16's may have photographed?

Please let us know if and when you hear any more details. Thank you and god bless your island.

Moggy, first of all, my heart goes out to the people of London.

About the difference in time mentioned by Paul vdS. He told the police he picked up Joran at 11 pm from MacDonalds. He told them this the night when the Holloways and police entered the house of vdS, at 3 am.
The people that were also there, but standing further away than the police, thought they heard PvdS say he picked up Joran at 4 am or 4.30 am. This difference in time was the reason why PvdS was arrested.
In the interview with Dutch tv he explained this.

[plus, in Netherlands we use a 24-hours schedule of the time .. 11pm is 23.00 hours overhere]

JUG also threatened to release new evidence if someone walks. That means he hasn't release them yet. Isn't that interfering with the case? Is he a criminal? please....

Also there hasn't been ONE evidence yet that a crime has been commited!

Flying Dee,

I don't know any details, I just listened to the local talk show on the radio this morning where they were stating that we all have to brace ourselfs for the terrible news we are about to receive today, tomorrow or really soon... I'm taking it pretty serious.... Sorry I can't give more info, don't have it but when I do I will post.

Bless you too... we all are in this together guys.. Let's pray for NH and her family.

PS Guys this is what I heard of a radio DJ, keep in mind it might all be rumors.

Dan,
Your blog at one time was objective
Now its just part of a lynch mob.
Take a step back and come back to reality
Why arent you pissed at the FBI for letting registered sex offenders free in the USA!!!!!!
Justice for Shasta and Dylan and their family.
That happened here in our country with the FBI involved. Where the hell were the F16s for that family?
Get real man

As Jug mentioned lastnight, if the brothers have nothing to fear and are innocent, why don't they have a sit-down with the Twittys and explain their side of the story?

They are personally involved at the worst, have obstructed justice at the very least. They lied and pointed fingers at others hindering the investigation at a very crucial part of the investigation.

Sachmo, well wishing I think that the press and the family will leave in a week. They're not going, but Aruba is, down the tubes that is.

Open Minded: get your fact's straight, a judge turned him loose and FBI used a helocopter with same equipment as the f-16's which can fiy lower and slower and do a much better job

Skyboxx's opinion is most probably exactly what happened. That's why Joran and the others didn't break. In fact PvnS may have went to jail with the Polis chief and son to exchange possible theories.

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