Joran Van der Sloot Emails

As first posted here, I believe that suspect Joran Van der Sloot did email me just hours prior to his arrest. The subject was his request that I take down a picture of him I had on my web log. I've never posted those emails before.

While I did trace the IP address to Aruba - obviously I cannot state with absolute certainly that they were from Joran, as opposed to a family, friend, or simply a loyalist. Clearly they were from someone interested in protecting him from, as it states in one of the emails: "having his face all over CNN."

In any event, the emails and my return emails are in sequence below and each was saved in full file format. I responded to his first email twice, there is nothing imissing from the chain. Are they real? Perhaps. I thought so at the time and still do. But I imagine now, only the FBI knows for sure.

From: "er dsf" <jjjjjjjjjj362@hotmail.com>
To: "Its Just Dan" deleted

Subject: request to delete picture (Joran v.d Sloot)
Date: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:29 PM

I kindly request that you please remove my picture from your website, please
respect my privacy..

                                         joran

__________________________

From: "Its Just Dan" deleted
To: "er dsf" <jjjjjjjjjj362@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: request to delete picture (Joran v.d Sloot)
Date: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:35 PM

Is it all all possible for you to communicate with me?

I would honor your request if I knew this was you. I am only trying to get
to the bottom of a difficult mystery and if you are a decent person with no
culpability, you would be deserving of my honoring your request.

Dan

_______________________

From: "Its Just Dan" deleted
To: "er dsf" <jjjjjjjjjj362@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: request to delete picture (Joran v.d Sloot)
Date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 12:01 AM

I've taken the image down as an example of my good faith. I would like to
hear from you, though - to the extent that you can communicate without
jeopardizing any potential legal issues. I do not have any conclusions about
you and am not a self-righteous or judgemental individual. I was young once,
too.
And this could be a terrible tragedy for you, as well.

However, at this point, I don't even know if it you that made the request.
Certainly you realize the nature of Internet communication.

Regards,

Dan

______________________________

From: "er dsf" <jjjjjjjjjj362@hotmail.com>
To: "Its Just Dan" deleted
Subject: Re: request to delete picture (Joran v.d Sloot)
Date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 2:24 AM

yes it is me.. and i just made up this email account to communicate with
you..

thank you very much for removing my picture i apreaciate it greatly and so
do my family and friends... I wish i could talk to you and other press but i
do not think it would be in my best intrests because i dont want a media
frenzy surrounding my house which has allready happend. I deleted my tickle
account to i did not know i could be that vunurable because of a website
like that and your website was the only one posting a picture of me.. you have
to understand that im only 17 and I also have a life in front of me and I am
also looking forward to studying in the states.

I do hope to god that they find natalee alive, but i have to worry about myself to. I hope you understand and if you have any questions you can ask however i cant promise that i will answer them or all of them I would have to ask my dad if its okay first.

But thank you for removing my picture it means a lot because before you
know it my face is all over cnn and that is somthing i dont want. thanks
again

_________________________

From: "Its Just Dan" deleted
To: "er dsf" <jjjjjjjjjj362@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: request to delete picture (Joran v.d Sloot)
Date: Thursday, June 09, 2005 3:08 AM

You're welcome, Joran,

You would like the states. From looking at your website I had a slight sense
of you, I believe. You look like a happy sort, at least, perhaps before all
this. The US really is a good place, a fun place. We've been a fortunate
nation for many reasons and our economic good fortune has allowed us to
enjoy a lot of freedom while affording many the ability to partake in a
reasonably good lifestyle.

I am educated and a business professional. While not a lawyer, I realize
there is much you should not say to anyone. I would like to ask you some
questions, will try to make them not threatening for you, or ask questions
which could come back to plague you in the future. How you respond is up to
you. How detailed your answer, if any come, is up to you, of course.

I am an honorable man and if there is anything I share openly resulting from
this, I will not name you, provide anyone your email address, or share a raw
copy of anything. I have written for publication in newspapers and graduated
with a minor in journalism and also edited my college newspaper. Of course,
you cannot trust that, I know. But I do give you my word and will live up to
it as I always do. My interest is only in truth, not the persecution of
anyone, especially anyone innocent. I have no reason to believe you did
anything and stated you seemed like a nice person and solid student based
upon my research. This can be confirmed by re-reading my post on the issue.

Do you believe the authorities have the right individuals in custody and how
certain are you?

Do you think this all came about from an accident which got out of hand and
is being covered up by some involved, or was this all intentional on the
part of some?

Do you really believe Natalee might be found alive?

Do you feel you will be required to testify some day as a result of what you
do know?

Is this all a result of an organized endeavor that may cross international
borders, or independent local actors perpetuating a crime, or making a
mistake?

Was Natalee in control of herself when you saw her last, or perhaps she had
too much to drink?

That is probably more than enough for now. I look forward to hearing from
you should you decide to answer. If you are a minor, by all means, speak
with your Father on this.

Lastly, assuming I can come to know the truth in this and that truth is that
you are an innocent - which I think quite possible - I would do everything
to say so, including efforts to see that that story gets told in the
apporpiate way and at the appropriate time. If I wish to post anything
resulting from our communication, while not naming you, I will allow you and
your Father and your attorney, if need be, to review it first. On that I
again give you my word.

If you are 17 you are a young man for this experience. Life is long and
growing up is not always easy. You may be being tested in a manner most will
never know because of one unfortunate night, where you were, who you partied
with, etc. If innocent, stay your course, seek good council, legal and
otherwise, and if you err, do it on the side of caution. Lastly, stay close
to your family, they are your most important resource. Always trust them
above your friends, though that might be hard for one so young.

I look forward to hearing from you if you opt to respond.

Be well,

Dan

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I never did get a response to that last email and I have no problem in posting them now. As they don't reveal anything harmful to his possible prosecution, it's an ethical decision with which I'm comfortable.

Approximately four hours after the time stamp on the last email received as per the above chain, The Dutch suspect, Joran Andreas Petrus Van Der Sloot, a student at Aruba International School, came out of his home in the upper-class neighbourhood of Oranjestad on Thursday with his head covered in a blue-and-green towel.

If nothing else, clearly we know he was concerned as regards having his face all over CNN.

This post is also available at Blogger News Network.

Comments

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

"I hope you understand and if you have any questions you can ask however i cant promise that i will answer them or all of them I would have to ask my dad if its okay first."

at this stage...his father has advised him of what to do or not to do and there is no way he is getting on the internet

frustrated >>>>>>>

I tend to agree mostly with your observations.

However I do think it was his dad for the reasons you mentioned PLUS he was trying to look like a kid by not capitalizing "i" but notice he slips up several times inconsistently out of habit.

People who do not like to press the SHIFT key for I usually do it out of habit and laziness. They don't slip and accidentally HOLD the shift key down only when typing "I" unless they are used to it and that is their autonomic muscle response!

Mr. Paul VDS would of course be in the habit of writing in a formal correct manner as the first email is written...

"I kindly request that you please remove my picture from your website, please respect my privacy..

"

It is inconsistent with the second on that is trying more to "look" like a 17 yr old!

But then the formality comes out again,

"I wish i could talk to you and other press but i
do not think it would be in my best intrests because i dont want a media
frenzy surrounding my house which has allready happend. I deleted my tickle
account to i did not know i could be that vunurable because of a website
like that and your website was the only one posting a picture of me.. you have
to understand that im only 17 and I also have a life in front of me and I am
also looking forward to studying in the states."

And notice inconsistency again where the formal habits slip in again after an sloppy beginning in THE SAME SENTENCE ...
where he says,
"you have to understand that im only 17 and I also have a life in front of me and I am..."

"im only 17" >>> no CAP and a contraction with no apostrophe
"I am" >>> CAP "I" and spelled out "am"
.............
These are just some examples I see that are the basis of my belief.

To me this looks like a sophisticated attempt to make it appear as if Joran did it but the motives and intent are clearly FROM PAULUS vdS in my view.

It would be his dad that would want to MAKE SURE that statement about asking his dad is STRESSED...
It is his dad that has stressed "only 17 and I also have a life in front of me"

It his dad who is trying to cover all tracks and delete all evidence "no body, no case."

No valid email address, no trail
No tickle website, no incriminating evidence

I strongly think this is his dad.
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On another comment:

I'm glad the FBI is involved because they have the best investigative tools and lab in the world and getting data off a hard drive is not that hard!

I've worked with reading raw hard drive data and how programs delete files, etc.

Most of the time when we delete a file it is still completely on the hard drive.

There is just a flag that tells the software that the space is no longer needed and can be written over with a new file. But the original may persist for a long time, even forever. And even after it is overwritten there is still some persistent magnetic "image" of the previous data, similar to when you erase something on paper. The FBI can lift this image with their sophisticated equipment. These facts are widely known and published so I'm not revealing anything HERE...

For top secret govt. file deletion it is REQUIRED that a file be erased and overwritten SEVEN times with alternating data to ensure "complete" removal (statistically speaking - that is).

So for all you CRIMINALS reading this your computers are your best record of what you've done!!!!

JORAN, PAULUS, DEEPAK, SATISH, STEVE CROES or others may all be a little worried about these facts, perhaps, "sweating profusely from their glistening, dripping-on-the-table, brows!"

[MrsJimiHendrix]

Ake

:)

[color]

There are many 17 yr olds that could have written that e mail. There ARE a lot of smart teenagers, the way some of you are talking it sounds like they are all morons.
I totally believe Joran sent those he is a smart kid. Dan Your attempt to communicate with him is a lesson we can all learn from at least I know I can.
It is very sad that he is only 17 and does have his whole life ahead of him. Natalee was only 18 and it seems she is dead so I am not sure what my feelings are toward Joran. I will reserve my verdict untill we hear the truth if we ever do.
This whole tragedy is very very sad and should never have happened.

[Anonymouse]

So tell me again, why would he e-mail Mr. Dan, of all people, on the very night she disappeared? Why would Joran write YOU, Dan? Total crock of bull-sh|t. I used to check this place out alot but now, your credibility just flew out the window..

I think Dan is one of two things: An attention craver or a sucker. Take your pick, those mails aren't from Joran Van Der Sloot. *laugh*

[Dan]

anonymouse - learn to read before you ask questions that make you look stoopid. While I have no doubt you will continue to look stoopid, it will at least appear as though you actually CAN read.

[zebbe]

Brian, I had that very thought myself! Strange a 17 yr old male would say "media frenzy", but maybe...just stuck out in my eyes, too.

I'd have to actually hear Joran speak an entire sentence to decide if this is him, or someone close to him. Afterall, who would really care enough that Joran's pic is on Dan's site other than Joran or family? Is Joran really that popular?

[clintcarter]

Why would Dan fabricate emails knowing he'd eventually be found out? He's got millions of hits and he would make this up for MORE hits? Rediculous.
However, that part about answering questions if his dad says it's ok seems forced, unreal. Possible this wasn't Joran.

[Anonymouse]

Dan, Dan, Dan. You're doing much more harm than good at this point. What you've reported in the last few days is taking on a kind of X-Files look and feel.

Yes, it's correct that you caught me on a misreading. He didn't email you the night of the dissapearance.

He supposedly emailed you, and I will quote this time, 'hours before his arrest'. Puhhleeeaaase.

I'm sure his photo had been plastered on hundreds if not thousands of sites by then.

You're losing hits. I'm willing to bet your traffic is down substantially since your 'X-Files' mentality took over.

Anyone, if you want a much better Natalee discussion, head on over to Scared Monkeys. Some good, thought provoking discussion to be had over that way, minus the Mulder-and-Scully type witch-hunt found here.

Face it Dan, you're losing traffic, and will continue to as long as you continue to post garbage like that.

[shonane]

I find it very improbable that those e-mail communications were written by a 17 year old. Sounds more like a mature & well educated adult with a very personal interest in Joran.

Posted by: veme | July
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I don't. Joran was an honors student who achieved an academic college scholarship in the states in Florida and soon was getting ready to leave for the states. That is hard to get. A lot of Florida students cannot even get admitted, much less receive a scholarship.

He also seemed to be fairly internet savvy, and as much as him having a Tickle site irritates some folk, how many would even know how to setup such a site? I doubt there is a lot to do on a little island for entertainment beyond water sports,etc.. So he seems to enjoy computers. I would guess that this was definitely written by him.

I think if I had promised not to share it however, that I would not have. I am not convinced at all that Joran harmed Natalie or that he knows where she is. The posting of this email does serve a positive purpose in this regard, as it confirm this, and reveals that he had hopes that she would soon show up. How sad for both of them that this situation has happened.

[websleuth2]

I agree that the last e-mail was written by Paulus, not Joran. It just does not sound like a 17 year old, but more like someone imitating a 17 year old.

[Hope]

I have been reading here for quite some time. I have found some people interesting and constructive, while others are just taking up space. Dan seems to be an honest and caring soul, with intelligence.
Why in the world would he make up e-mails knowing the FBI has the info. from the computers. He is sharing what he has with us and for that I am thankful.

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

websleuth2

Thanks for the observation.

[JimmyJoeBillyBob]

I did not pour though this whole thread other than to skim and notice that many already said my exact thought already: That was waaaay too mature a perspective for a 17 yr-old on way to his college years. That was an adult, and also a parent. That was Paulus. No question at all in my mind for one second about this. Also, it fits Paulus's comments the other day to Dave Holloway, as all Paulus obviously cares about is Joran's prospects of getting out of this mess, no matter what kind of torture they put the other family through. Despicable and Godless behavior to be sure. EOM.

JJBB

[Joan's picture]

Dan-

I have a hard time feeling bad for Joran's feeling about "only being 17"--
If he was concerned about being 17/under aged.. then why he he out drinking and gambling? If he wants to behave like an adult, then he should be treated like one-

[Ashley]

i feel like joran is innocent becasue i mean they take all this time and effort into this whole case that all they found was hair in the duct tape and the hair wasent even natalee's so i think he is INNOCENT!!!

[Ashley]

i feel like joran is innocent becasue i mean they take all this time and effort into this whole case that all they found was hair in the duct tape and the hair wasent even natalee's so i think he is INNOCENT!!!, and dan i dont think it is fair that u told him that these emails wuld not be posted on the internent and u did !!

[mustang sally]

Dan-
Dude, get a clue. Here is the correct spelling of "stoopid".....S..T..U..P..I..D. And you certainly are if you think 17 year old Joran wrote those emails. Furthermore, why would you encourage someone to come to the United States that could possibly be a murderer? I'm not saying he is, because none of us know that, but the possibility alone makes me say "stay in your own country" we've got enough nut bags here of our own.

[A'n Arubian]

Joran Isn't innocent b/c He's lying 2 much and that stupid from his part so I gues he isn't innocent and I'f hes innocent than he didn't ly from the day they capture them

[Marsh Rogers]

I grew up overseas and I do know how much an expariate can be given special treatment. In this case that saved Joran. I feel from the evidence given from the media, that Joran druged up Natalie and took her out of the bar with the Kalpoe brothers and they molested and raped her. In this rape she strugled and accidently recieved a head wound. The boys got scared and maybe thought that she was dead so while being intoxicated themselves they placed her in an crab basket and threw her out in the deeper water. Buy now if they where to even find the basket the sea would have disposed of the body. This is all unfortunate because I feel with the right interogation they could have found out the truth. Again that is another case of poor politics. Please feel free to shoot back at me if you agaree.