How Did Natalee Holloway Leave Carlos And Charlies?

New information has emerged suggesting that one of the mainstays in the Natalee Holloway mystery, that she left the club in a grey car with Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, may be incorrect.

It appears she may have left the front of the club on foot with Deepak Kalpoe.

Beginning with an Internet message referenced here:

When we saw her leave she left by herself. No one was with her but we did notice some local guys talking to her while she was in there.

the story of Natalee Holloway entering a car and calling out to friends begins to unravel. One individual who may have played a pivotal role in initiating that version of events is now re-considering and says she "hasn't heard it first-hand from a single eyewitness."

Evidently many of the students on the trip were discussing that version of events early on in the disappearance but further conversations have been unable to pin down any solid first hand account.

"The actual words change each time it's told. Possibilities are: "Woohoo!" "Aruba!" "Seniors 2K5!" But did any of it *actually* happen? We can't get an eyewitness to confirm."

Now, another source from Mountain Brook has come forward and offered an eyewitness account more in line with the Internet message which suggests Natalee Holloway did, at least once, walk out of Carlos and Charlies alone.

A witness outside of Carlos and Charlies that night states that Natalee Holloway came out of the club alone and appeared to be looking for someone. She stood in front of the night club for a short time and did present the appearance of someone who had been drinking, though she was certainly standing and in complete control. The words used to describe her appearance were "a little tipsy."

It's unclear what she may have been looking for, but it is possible she was looking for Joran Van der Sloot, who, along with Satish, "was nowhere in sight." At least one student on the trip suggests that Natalee, along with other young woman from Mountain Brook were actually quite attracted to the young Dutch boy.

Unlike the image painted by some in American media, his behavior to me, as described from a member of the Alabama community with knowledge of the trip suggests a rather laid back boy, charming, who seemed to draw women to him as opposed to taking a more aggressive approach. I've been told that it was actually Deepak Kalpoe who was more of an "in your face" type.

While an earlier report of a confrontation between Joran Van der Sloot and a male graduate from Mountain Brook may be true, I have not been able to independently confirm that story. I have been able to confirm a skirmish the previous night between Deepak Kalpoe and a student from Mountain Brook. It was presented more as a minor conflict soon forgotten and easily broken up by a friend other than a Mr. Reynolds, who has claimed to break up a fight between Joran Van der Sloot and a Mountain Brook student.

As to the possible Joran confrontation, one Mother of a student on the trip reports, "I tend to think it must have been the most minor of events. We did not even hear of it until it came out in the paper, so obviously it was not on a scale to even elicit gossip on the trip. Often as not these things occur when one boy bumps into another, causing offense. It very likely was something as small as that. It couldn't have been very heated if one guy could step in and verbally break it up."

As to what became of Natalee Holloway, one witness insists that after standing in front of Carlos and Charlies alone and looking about for a short time - she actually re-entered the night club for a brief period. She then emerged not with Joran Van der Sloot, but with Deepak Kalpoe, who is said to have had her by the arm in a manner suggesting he was helping her to maintain her balance.

The two are reported to have walked off down the street, turning the corner - possibly into a small alley, or a side street.

One possibility is that Natalee was actually looking for Joran Van der Sloot and relying upon Deepak Kalpoe to take her to him. That opinion is speculation and unconfirmed.

Update: This shouldn't be interpreted to mean that the three suspects and Natalee Holloway didn't eventually get in a car together. It is simply another thread in the story. It is quite possible that the four came back to the front of C&C. But this is a solid report, as solid as anything else. More so in some ways to me as I have spoken to the source for an extended period of time. The version has not changed and is, as stated, an eyewitness account from a verified source. 130 anyone's can see 130 things and many may fit into a timeline which makes none of them wrong. I am only reporting what I have verified through sources and what I have not.

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Comments

[lee]

If you had been on a drunken binge, maybe drugs, maybe hooking up, certainly NOT acting like the nice Christian Southerner you're supposed to, wouldn't you feel a bit sheepish telling the parents of one of you classmates EXACTLY what happened, what went on?...

I would....bet there has been some under-reporting and some over embellishing going on....

having said that, I think the Creeps hurt her and killed her, accidentally or otherwise...they are responsible...

[misty]

......and she thought he was a cab driver?

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

MrsJimiHendrix
Oh
You mean san quintin? SR bridge?

[HelenWheels]

MH, who GAF?

[MrsJimiHendrix]

MHIN

am i learning the native aruban language or what?

how the heck did i just do that????

[MHinUSA]

K -:)

[Skeeter]

I've never had a cab driver lead me by the arm anywhere.

[MrsJimiHendrix]

AKEO

in that direction

number 10 on that list i told you about, that is where i live

[calista]

oh my do u have a crush on me ms helen on wheels you left and came all the way back undr a new name to talk about me I am so flattered ...........the freaks come out at night

[RealPotential]

Im still wondering if these guys are taking the fall for someone else who may have been a "fourth" man in the car.....

didn't Natalee have dinner with Lorenzo one night while she was there, or was that just rumor too?
OMG. My brain is mush over this whole thing.

[MHinUSA]

LOL!

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

By corte mmadera!

[MrsJimiHendrix]

MISTY

DID YOU JUST SEE WHAT SKEETER SAID ABOUT CABS?

I AM SORRY BUT I HAVE TO LAUGH ABOUT THAT

[calista]

does anyone know who these psychos are helen on wheels or mhin? I don't know them from adam and they keep harassing me for whatever nutty reason I have tried ignoring but ya know I am getting a bit pissed

[sleuth]

If Natalee was somewhat tipsy, she might have even thought Deepak was a taxi driver! And sleazy as he is, he may have told her he was! But I kind of doubt that Joran was waiting in the taxi. I think that happened differently. Deepak may have sold her to the highest bidder. Somehow, though, I cannot see him sharing. Both of those brothers are diminitive boys.

[MrsJimiHendrix]

AKEO

see i told you that we are neighbors!!

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

MrsJimiHendrix

I need proof!
Who designed the civic center and what color is the roof?

[calista]

oh ms jimi u live in cali also? I see I see u were on when I was talkign about my husband last night and to jo jo

[annie]

My goodness. This story is like a chameleon, constantly changing and showing us new colors.

Dan, what about the previous witnesses that claim they saw Natalee with Joran walking together, but not touching at all and that they asked her if she was going to another club and she said she was going back to the HI with her friends (and pointed to a group ahead of them). They said they were going back to the HI as well and she said she would then see them in a few minutes and then she climbed into a silver car with Joran (which they assumed was a taxi).

So many conflicting stories.

Your comment about Deepak holding her arm makes me wonder if he was truly trying to "hold her up" or forcing her along.

Wow! This is one of the most bizarre cases!

(Although I have to admit the honeymooning couple with the missing groom off the cruise ship is also bizarre).

[Stumped]

Could it possibly be, that somehow this story evolved to save Joran's ass, and now Deepak is the fall guy, and Joran gets to walk????

[MHinUSA]

OMG - Calista - I am trying to get info on the stories coming out of Aruba and this seemed to be the best site - then I have to read these retarded postings from wheels as this person seems to be attacking you or stalking - whichever - so I make a comment to shut the person up - and you attack me??????

[Doc]

I keep hearing mention that this was a "conservative Christian" group. Why? Just because this was Alabama? And just because they come from a white, wealthy area?

While it is likely that the majority in that group were nominal Christians and were conservative, it is also plausible that not everybody was. There are still people left in Alabama who are not conservative, and not everybody is Christian. Plus there are varying degrees of "Christian" -- nominal Christians who may or may not go to church and definitely don't take the religion seriously, all the way to very devout people.

Remember, too that Mountain Brook is a public high school.

[HelenWheels]

HUBERT, it has also been stated that MTB people are despised in Bama because of their "turned up noses" attitude.

[calista]

sorry mhin...........i mistook u for her buddy didn't see the whole post sorry!

[MrsJimiHendrix]

MHIN

i really don't think it is meant to be mean

i honestly think it is just frustration b/c the case has taken so many twists and turns

i think this is a nice person with a big heart that is upset like we all are

there have been some idiot trolls here who have been vicious as hell

honestly i do not see that at all here, i promise

[misty]

.......how many times have you had too much to drink, being a rookie and all?
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I've never had a cab driver lead me by the arm anywhere.

Posted by: Skeeter | July 18, 2005 02:03 AM

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That was meant more tongue in cheek. He does look like a typical taxi driver, no offense. :)

But, what if he lured her to the car where Joran was waiting? Satish, no where in sight. The two of them take her to 'teach her a lesson' and they wound up getting the lesson? Tempers flared that night, definitely.....we just don't know the reason. I think it was because of her turning down his advances....maybe she was just teasing him a bit too much, or just flat out being a tease?

I dunno. As far as the riddle goes, I think the FBI got the confession but couldn't use it to find the body because it was obtained illegally in the Aruban law system. That's why the confirmation/retraction on so much stuff. FBI just can't handle others' jurisdictions?

[HelenWheels]

Mh, see what I mean?

[calista]

now if this true then it makes deepaks story a lie bcause he said he gave joran a lift he never said he went into c n c's with them

[calista]

oh I have got to stop eating these things...anyone ever have mission gucmole chips? they r addicting

[sleuth]

Calista, please ignore the troll. And remember, to the rest of you...not everyone's native language is English. My Spanish is very rusty. And me an honor's Spanish student in HS.

It gets so distracting when someone comes on and disrupts things by picking on someone else. Why? What kind of fun is that.

[!]

MrsJimiHendrix

BOOOOO!!!!

Check your email.
:O)
:O(

Posted by: ! | July 18, 2005 01:58 AM

[MHinUSA]

Calista and MrsJ
Okay - forgiven, forgotten - I understand!

[misty]

f Natalee was somewhat tipsy, she might have even thought Deepak was a taxi driver! And sleazy as he is, he may have told her he was! But I kind of doubt that Joran was waiting in the taxi. I think that happened differently. Deepak may have sold her to the highest bidder. Somehow, though, I cannot see him sharing. Both of those brothers are diminitive boys.

Posted by: sleuth | July 18, 2005 02:06 AM
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I think that is over-thinking this case in particular. No sex slavery, drug lords going on here.....these are just kids wanting to look like thugs. KISS

[calista]

I know sleuth...and the spanish was meant for me to be a "scret" so I couldn't read what she was saying about me...whatever she has been stalking me since way back in the discussion for who knows what

[RealPotential]

I think for "Thug wannabe's", they've done a pretty good job of looking like "Thugs".

[sleuth]

Believe me Misty, I am not overthinking anything! At this late hour, I am up past my bedtime, and not thinking at all.

This is where I say goodnight folks. Hasta manana! Buenos noches.

Sir Paul, I will meet you in about ten minutes at the usual place.

[misty]

.....and every other HS kid I know these days..........

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I think for "Thug wannabe's", they've done a pretty good job of looking like "Thugs".

Posted by: RealPotential | July 18, 2005 02:13 AM

[HelenWheels]

Calista, I am not stalking you nor do I have a buddy. I took issue after you didn't believe what Dan had posted and he corrected you that this info was given to the FBI so it indeed does have merit. Didn't know foreign languages were verboten here. Now GFY and drop it.

[calista]

xwhat bugs me is these are 17 year olds right? now if you are some innocent 17 year old thrown in jail for something you absolutely did not do you are going to be pleading with anyone to listen to you that you are innocent you are going to upset......but these guys all act like nothing is going on joran is always smiling in his pics on the way to court and innocent people just do not lie make up 20 diff versions and get no body no case advice from their dad.....maybe they aren't the only ones involved but they are involved

[MrsJimiHendrix]

sorry i was away. my kids are crying. i missed a lot

AKEO

frank lloyd right

mustardy ish

n san pedro road

across the street from duck park

near northgate mall

down the street from jcc and mormon church

where the fair is 4th of july

any questions

LOL

MV film festival

i live 1 mile up from tam high

[sleuth]

Helen...lighten up. Who died and made you queen?

Didn't your mother ever tell you about catching more flies with honey than with vinegar?

You give love a bad name!

[MrsJimiHendrix]

calista

yes we talked last night with jojo

helenwheels

i have been accused of stalking someone who is no longer here so i don't think calista meant it

EVERYONE HERE CARES, RIGHT EVERYONE

[HelenWheels]

Mrs, might as well give the address lol

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

MrsJimiHendrix |
OK
Mt. Sleeping Indian Lady - anchient legend

[Skeeter]

RIGHT

[harry]

Girls, if we delete the self-flattery, it is quite possible that Natalee really wanted to be with Joran.

As for the two brothers, hindu people are not violent. They are hospitable though. This entry posting seems to be accurate.

[MrsJimiHendrix]

sir paul

you are too wise

but you must get rid of
ms mills

she is an opportunistic b****!!

bad choice for you

LOL

[HelenWheels]

OMG a BonJovi reference, don't quite know how to take that. I defer to MRS on this one

[MrsJimiHendrix]

Mrs, might as well give the address lol

Posted by: HelenWheels | July 18, 2005 02:19 AM

actually funny you should say that b/c i didn't

i described several different things unique to this area
that only locals know!!

you are a whipper snapper though!!

[calista]

oh geeeez ok helen last time...........I NEVER TOOK ISSUE WITH WHAT DAN SAID DIPPY I TOOK ISSUE WITH ALL THE VERSIONS OF WHAT HAPPENED COMING FROM PEOPLE WHO SAY THEY HEARD THIS OR THAT MEANING ALABAMA PEOPLE OR WHOEVER NOT DAN AND EVERYONE ON HERE HAS SAID THEY DON'T NECESSARILY TAKE WHAT OTHERS SAY AS FACT BECAUSE THERE HAVE BEEN TOO MANY VERSIONS OF WHAT HAPPENED SO FAR AND TOO MANY SCREW UPS AND RETRACTED CHARGES AND CONFESSIONS FROM THE ARUBA POLICE WHO HAVE BOTCHED THE CASE THUS FAR............SURE I WILL DROP IT....SINCE I HAVE BEEN SITTING HER ETALKING TO TOHERS WHILE YOU HAVE BUGGED ME FOR LIKE LET'S SEE AN HOUR NOW WHEN I HADN'T SAID ANYTHIGN TO YOU?? GEEEEZ U R AN ASS..........I BARELY USE MESSAGE BOARDS OR THE NET TO "CHAT" AND I HAPPEEND UPON THIS SITE AND THOGHT IT MIGHT BE INTERESTING BUT NOW I SEE IT IS THE SAME OLD BS AS ANY CHAT ROOM PSYCHO PEOPLE