How Did Natalee Holloway Leave Carlos And Charlies?

New information has emerged suggesting that one of the mainstays in the Natalee Holloway mystery, that she left the club in a grey car with Joran Van der Sloot and the two Kalpoe brothers, Satish and Deepak, may be incorrect.

It appears she may have left the front of the club on foot with Deepak Kalpoe.

Beginning with an Internet message referenced here:

When we saw her leave she left by herself. No one was with her but we did notice some local guys talking to her while she was in there.

the story of Natalee Holloway entering a car and calling out to friends begins to unravel. One individual who may have played a pivotal role in initiating that version of events is now re-considering and says she "hasn't heard it first-hand from a single eyewitness."

Evidently many of the students on the trip were discussing that version of events early on in the disappearance but further conversations have been unable to pin down any solid first hand account.

"The actual words change each time it's told. Possibilities are: "Woohoo!" "Aruba!" "Seniors 2K5!" But did any of it *actually* happen? We can't get an eyewitness to confirm."

Now, another source from Mountain Brook has come forward and offered an eyewitness account more in line with the Internet message which suggests Natalee Holloway did, at least once, walk out of Carlos and Charlies alone.

A witness outside of Carlos and Charlies that night states that Natalee Holloway came out of the club alone and appeared to be looking for someone. She stood in front of the night club for a short time and did present the appearance of someone who had been drinking, though she was certainly standing and in complete control. The words used to describe her appearance were "a little tipsy."

It's unclear what she may have been looking for, but it is possible she was looking for Joran Van der Sloot, who, along with Satish, "was nowhere in sight." At least one student on the trip suggests that Natalee, along with other young woman from Mountain Brook were actually quite attracted to the young Dutch boy.

Unlike the image painted by some in American media, his behavior to me, as described from a member of the Alabama community with knowledge of the trip suggests a rather laid back boy, charming, who seemed to draw women to him as opposed to taking a more aggressive approach. I've been told that it was actually Deepak Kalpoe who was more of an "in your face" type.

While an earlier report of a confrontation between Joran Van der Sloot and a male graduate from Mountain Brook may be true, I have not been able to independently confirm that story. I have been able to confirm a skirmish the previous night between Deepak Kalpoe and a student from Mountain Brook. It was presented more as a minor conflict soon forgotten and easily broken up by a friend other than a Mr. Reynolds, who has claimed to break up a fight between Joran Van der Sloot and a Mountain Brook student.

As to the possible Joran confrontation, one Mother of a student on the trip reports, "I tend to think it must have been the most minor of events. We did not even hear of it until it came out in the paper, so obviously it was not on a scale to even elicit gossip on the trip. Often as not these things occur when one boy bumps into another, causing offense. It very likely was something as small as that. It couldn't have been very heated if one guy could step in and verbally break it up."

As to what became of Natalee Holloway, one witness insists that after standing in front of Carlos and Charlies alone and looking about for a short time - she actually re-entered the night club for a brief period. She then emerged not with Joran Van der Sloot, but with Deepak Kalpoe, who is said to have had her by the arm in a manner suggesting he was helping her to maintain her balance.

The two are reported to have walked off down the street, turning the corner - possibly into a small alley, or a side street.

One possibility is that Natalee was actually looking for Joran Van der Sloot and relying upon Deepak Kalpoe to take her to him. That opinion is speculation and unconfirmed.

Update: This shouldn't be interpreted to mean that the three suspects and Natalee Holloway didn't eventually get in a car together. It is simply another thread in the story. It is quite possible that the four came back to the front of C&C. But this is a solid report, as solid as anything else. More so in some ways to me as I have spoken to the source for an extended period of time. The version has not changed and is, as stated, an eyewitness account from a verified source. 130 anyone's can see 130 things and many may fit into a timeline which makes none of them wrong. I am only reporting what I have verified through sources and what I have not.

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Comments

[SouthernBELLE]

Taking all my ignored and overlooked comments and going to bed.

[MrsJimiHendrix]

DAN

what happened with the "other girl" attracted to Joran????

any word on her???

SIR PAUL

where did you go?

[HelenWheels]

MRS...LMAO I always thought that line said "lady sufferagette. Thanx for the clear up!

People here sure love that word TROLL. Grow UP

[calista]

oneyka those are all good points and it is sad it was not done btu I guess since it was no school sponsored and those teens had already graduated it was just a bunch of "adults" on a trip and the chaprones were alomg to have fun themselves......it is also sad natalees friends didn't do more to find out where she was going or who with but they were all partying and sometimes u don't think anythign bad cn happen... I was just confused because natalee was supposed to have gone there with alot of friends but they all left without her...didn't anyone check with her to even see if she was leaving or what her plans were? I find that odd every time my friends and I go somewhere together we'd never just leave the otherand not say anything

[MoonShadow]

ooops, sorry Mrs Jimi...I am fading fast...went right by me...WOOOOOOSH

Going to bed.

G'nite bloggers :)

[RstJ]

Dan,

This is Alabama Revisionism. Your bullshit detector should have gone off.

Ruth Mcvay, this Reynolds kid, Francis Byrd, and Natalee's cousins. You want to talk to them, not the parent of some other student.

RstJ

[calista]

i think my hubby may divorce me over this acse ha ha he threatened during scott peterson's trial lol

[MrsJimiHendrix]

sir paul

you are probably right!!

having a mess of kids in under five years kind of messes with your thinking

but if it is any consulatioin i did acquire 22 of your lps by the age of 13

and i DO NOT think you are a troll

and i will NOT grow up!! not as long as your music is still around!!

hehehehe!!

come back right now!!

[HelenWheels]

¿SRA JIMI, es Calista y por qué quién ella es tan un de lados en sus observaciones de este caso?

[sleuth]

I have been sitting here thinking about how times have changed. When I recall my party hardy years, and there were many of them, I also recall a different kind of friendship, with both males and females, that did not just let your friends go off with someone. We watched each other's backs. Natalee would not have been outside of C&C's by herself if she had been my friend. And I sure would never have let her get into a car with any of them. Deepak would have had to drag me along with them. Not an easy fete as I am 6' tall with heels. (platforms?)

I don't own the clothes I'm wearing, and the road goes on forever, and I've got one more silver dollar

[Skeeter]

So there is no confirmation that JVDS was in the car? Or even Satish? Is that what I'm getting? That maybe Deepak, the bigger fish, had JVDS take the rap because he's after all the bigger fish? And PVDS knows that Deepak could cause bigger problems for both of them. And doesn't this also support the theory that NH was seen in a car with a known drug dealer?

Pass the advil.

[calista]

this just makes you think.....despite all the talk of boycotting aruba and all the hype there.....the truth is you have to think what if this was me? what if this was my child? would I feel ok sending her off to a diff country knowing she is not safe and on top of that you can't be sure the police will do the right things to find her.........would I go to aruba now? no would I htink twice about traveling outside the us now yes

[MrsJimiHendrix]

si, WTF? este tu?

[HelenWheels]

RST

WOO HOO Real Names to go after. Let the heads roll now.

Slueth

va el adelante y multiplica!

[calista]

I am very interested in some gucamole chips right now

[MrsJimiHendrix]

funny sir paul

someone asked me earlier where ali g was

LOL

[lee]

calista....the more and more I think of it the more I believe that the students and all the chaperones should not have left the island like they did...

they're rich...they could afford to postpone the trip for a few hours or even overnight...

reminds me of the movie "open water".....why not play it safe and make sure everyone is safe and sound before you pull up anchor....

[seagull]

Thank you Dan .
Speechless here and sad.
Things started to make more sense after reading the Aruba Trip Advisor boards.
Just good old commen sense.
Teenagers , drinking , drugs and hormones.
Celebration. Dancing with the beat.
Alleys , usually only mean a couple of things based on what I've ever seen.
Sad , hopefully the investigation is aware of all witnesses . If not , it is even sadder.
Still doesn't answer the question of where Natalee is .
A big old fruit basket turn over.

[loren]

This account makes more sense as I was having trouble understanding how Natalee left that bar. But I do remember distinctly an interview of 2 of the kids from that trip - a boy and a girl - obviously prompted on what to say - but I do recall the girl saying all the crowd was leaving at once because the bar was closing - but some of the kids were going to do some more bar hoping. Some were catching cabs. She made it appear as if there was a sort of mass pandamonium. Nothing like what is said here now.

It would be so great to have just one solid fact to work from - but in this case every time you think you have a jumping off point - it sinks.

[Hubert Honeywhistle]

Mountain Brook is a community that is 98.5% white in a state that is only 71% white. It is *the* most exclusive community in Alabama and one of the richest communities in the state.

It is unclear to me whether or not the resident of Mountain Brook prefer Auburn or 'bama.

[MrsJimiHendrix]

sir paul

you are among friends here i promise!!

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

Posted by: MrsJimiHendrix
howdy neighbor.

i am across the bay from bazerkely and sf : ) and 1 1/2 hour away from Sacto!!

Posted by: MrsJimiHendrix | July 17, 2005 06:07 PM
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

JimiHndrx??? I saw him at the Philmore....
Before he died.........

You are "across the bay from bazerkely and sf" ?

That would put you in Alcatraz Island or on Treasure Island? Since the two you mentioned are across from each other??

Posted by: AkekoaHoAlethia | July 17, 2005 07:26 PM

So where are you really? ARUBA?

[MrsJimiHendrix]

not quite sure what you are getting at with the race thing OJ
i mean hubert

we aren't racists here

[MHinUSA]

ami dont konosé kén esaki wheels hende ta - ma ami bisa buska e off di aki pasobra ami ta becoming altamente annoyed ku e rambling

[MrsJimiHendrix]

AKOE

i am in walking distance to the sweetwater

[harry]

This version of Natalee's exit from Carlos & Charlie's and her relationship with Joran does fit nicely with the appraisal of Joran that his friends have been relating. Pity, this version has taken six weeks in the making.

Maybe we should be looking into who actually is paying for the legal service of Joran's and the two brothers' defenses. It is probably the same person who owns the car that took Joran home the night Natalee disappeared.

[HelenWheels]

Pasa tazón de pastillas de guacomole al calista después que escupiendo en lo

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

MrsJimiHendrix
What sweetwater .. is that a drink?

[loren]

also....I watched Dave Holloway the other night as he described Natalee supposed to have gotten into a car driven by Deepak with Joran and that he thought she may have thought it was a taxi because not all taxis are identified except with a yellow sticker on the dash.

I would have thought Dave Holloway would have checked his sources and story every way from Sunday. This is mind boggling.

Are the family even now giving out misinformation (maybe on advice of the PI they may/or may not have hired for there)?

[MrsJimiHendrix]

so hindu is becoming annoyed with the rambling
and you are doing, what????

[Skeeter]

I'm with u on the race thing MJH. I don't care if everyone in here is purple. We're all just trying to figure this out

[Hubert Honeywhistle]

Mrs.Jimi Hendrix,

I know you are not racists.. I am just trying to sate persons' curiosities over what kind of community Natalee, Beth, Jug, Thomas, etc. come from.

[MrsJimiHendrix]

Akeho

google CNN/money magazine
top 15 places to live in the US

that is as specific as i will get on this board

it will be really clear i promise!!

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

k

[Skeeter]

From the looks of their community I would say they are no more than upper middle class. One station even showed a picture of their house early on. Nothing special about it. Look like the rest of us trying to make a living.

[misty]

So when did Joran have sex with Natalee if she left with Deepak.....sorry Dan, I think this is one of MANY versions you're going to hear on what happened that night.....I gotta call BS on this one. fuzzy memory and TOOOOOO MANY SHOTS.

[calista]

true lee............

[MrsJimiHendrix]

ok hubert,

sorry about that

so many attacks on here sometimes
you just never know!!

sorry again!!

[RealPotential]

Am I to understand, Mrs JimiH, that you have chosen to reveal the presence of THE Sir Paul here on this blog?

If it's true...My arms are wide open.... !!!
:D

[!]

MrsJimiHendrix

Check you email.
:O)
:O(

[calista]

you know......helem reminds me of some advice my husbands sgt gave him when people here give him rude remarks about being int he army and war and all that................he said just give them the "silent gfy" and go about your business..........good advice.............and by the way wheely wacko I understand the other language as well.............

[MHinUSA]

ami ta annoyed ku wheels rambling í ragging riba calista - net ke na warda focused riba e subject di nh

[Hubert Honeywhistle]

The point is, Mrs. Hendrix, is that many people think that the Mountain Brook folk are a bunch of yahoos. A repeat visitor to this group treats Jug Twitty as if he's some sort of redneck from "down in the holler."

These Mountain Brook people are actually a very educated, successful group of people.

[Skeeter]

Misty

Maybe Deepak met up with JVDS and papa Paulus later at the VDS house as has been suggested. Maybe things got outta hand at the house and the trip to the beach was much later.

[RealPotential]

er, uh....i mean... how do you curtsy on a blog?

[Blue Dog]

Interesting version of events Dan. Choose your poison. If true (and it may be)Deepak has distanced himself from this account. He says he lost the other 3 and was waiting for them in his car. Me, I would believe even Joran before I would believe anything Deepak has to say about anything.

[MrsJimiHendrix]

MISTY

you are right

joran must have known something

so why did he brag like that the next day

i am wondering (AND NOT AGAINST DAN EVEN THOUGH HE IS A TROLL!!)
if this is for real!!

[misty]

What if Deepak was used to lure Natalee back to the car where Joran was waiting for them?

[calista]

i do recall the 2 girls from the trip one of them being natalees best friend on greta live and she said we didn't think anything was strange about natalee not leaving with us because alot of people were outside waitng for taxis sow e figured she go into another one...........maybe natalee really did think deepaks car was a taxi and got in it and that is when the bad stuff happened maybe the whole "lift story is a lie and theyw ere just covering for her beign int he car

[MrsJimiHendrix]

MHIN

got it

sorry