Fox Update

Jug Twitty tells Fox News this may finally be the week something "big" will happen.

Reader update: A CNN photographer has been asked to leave the area where the pond is said to be being drained.

Comments

[ohmygod]

oh my god

[ohmygod]

i sure hope so

[PinkCobrazz]

Fox Update
Jug Twitty tells Fox News this may finally be the week something "big" will happen.

Don't tell us!!! The netherlands flew in..
took DNA from Joran's big toe...and freed him
from being a suspect. That would just be
about par for the course here.

[igottafeelin]

Let's roll, go Jug!

[ohmygod]

you think they will make a movie about this natalee thing?

[gwb]

"you think they will make a movie about this natalee thing?

Posted by: ohmygod | July 26, 2005 07:29 PM"

i know you're probably joking, but i guarantee i movie will be made about "this natalee thing"

[gwb]

*a (not i) ... sorry

[speaker]

there is always something big that happens with them...that is how they tease the world, and make themselves credible...that is yet one more of their customary ploys...its always tomorrow, and we are on to things and things will happen...that is how they buy time, and that is how they pull wool over their citizens eyes...and eventually people become fed up, and give up...

after you been subjected to this kind of promises you actualy start to believe it, hopefully beth and the family takes periodic breaks and comes home even if for 2 days just to smell the air, and regroup their thoughts away from that cesspool they have been fed the last 50+ days...
on the other hand i would love to be wrong, more than ever and have all this come to a peaceful closure...
chief is taking courses in philly, wonder if his mind is grasping the mere thought what morals are...peace to the world

[SeattleGirl]

I feel sick at the thought that they find her body though I do hope for closure for the sake of her family and friends. Naturally I pray that she's alive though this also makes me ill thinking about what sort of nightmare that would surely be.

[annie]

SeattleGirl, maybe they will find other evidence that the boys tried to hide and not the body there too, so who knows? It is rather sickening to think about. I guess if I had my choices of the two locations (landfill or pond) the pond is starting to look the better of the two locations, yes? This is so sad, worrying about what is the better placed to be dumped. Yuk!

[ohmygod]

yeah i think so too but this is so sad... i cannot imagine how her family is feeling right now

[Susan]

If she was in the pond, wouldn't her body float by now? Even if they did what Scott Peterson did, wouldn't something float up or is the pond merky and moss infested?

[RealPotential]

OMG.

[Ria]

i just can't comprehend the fact, if these boys know (which i feel they do) - how the heck do they live their lives daily as if "nothing?" that is SICK!! their day will come; i am sure of it! i can only imagine what that family has experienced! dear god, i wouldn't be as calm as beth is! i do hope they find closure! the anticipation of all this has to be taking a toll on her (them)!

[Susan]

I can't imagine how twisted her mother's stomach must be. I don't know how she could possibly stand the sight of knoing her baby could be lurking at the bottom.

[Kelly3]

Prayers for Natalee's family. Godspeed Natalee!!!

[Ria]

it is amazing what money will do to get people to "talk." just so sad isn't it??? come on people "DO THE RIGHT THING." it's unreal!!

[proudredneck]

Even so, she can finally bring her home. Now she can grieve properly away from the glare of TV. She has done a tremendous job. How many mothers could make it through all these days? It must be torture and feeling like you are being held hostage in a country that dislikes you and loves the ones who killed your daughter, never knowing whether or not and how she suffered and died. Even knowing is better than not knowing. She can, if this is Natalee, begin to live again. She can put Natalee to rest in a proper, decent deserving location.

[annie]

You know, with all this finger pointing between Joran and the brothers, I say so what? They are all guilty at this point because all of them have lied and lied and obstructed justice and progress on this case. They all participated in the set-up of the circumstance that led to her "kidnapped" status at a minimum. I just hope that despite all their claims and lies, that the PI, FBI, Holland investigators and the prosecution can piece this together so they can find Natalee.

[musicgirlms]

I hope that they get a break soon. It is time for the three boys - the ones who were the last to be seen with her alive, the ones who took off with a possibly very drunk girl, and the ones who have told MULTIPLE lies while her family is in agony - it is time for these guys to be faced with hard evidence if they have committed a crime. It is time for her family to get closure.

[proudredneck]

The inhumanity of Joran, especially, if Natalee liked him and was attracted to him, being nice to him and then being possibly raped, murdered and held hostage to his lies in death.

[Ria]

i agree with you annie! they ALL are involved! they have all contributed to this! all their lies over and over again! i'm furious that those brothers are walking around when they should be locked up! all three of them are the "KEY" to this. those brothers should be getting interrogated as well...how they handle things over there is nonsense!

[annie]

It astounds me that they LE haven't re-detained them. Maybe they have to get a court-order to get them back in there? I don't understand their system enough. ARGH it is such a frustrating organization to figure out.

[Tracey]

Perhaps Joran had relations with her, then left her on the beach for his friend...sad, but that might explain his hesitance to give up his boys. He might have been scared into believing that he would be implicated in the murder due to DNA.

[Ria]

frustrating is an understatement! its' all wrong, that is for sure! if they have these leads about these brothers (from the new witness) then yes, they should be detained again for questioning!! NOW...

[StaticSilent]

I would almost bet that they asked the photographer to leave in case the images were leaked, if the Kalpoe brothers are guilty and did have something to do with this, they are definitely looking for a way to run right now. If a photo got out of any evidence, it could ruin the investigation. I don't believe they will find her body. They may find clothing or something like that, but not her. I do have the feeling that this will conclude this week though.

[greenangel]

Could the suspects be turning on each other! Heard the hype on FOX News and am waiting to here more info....gosh I hate it when the news media baits you.

[annie]

I suspect the media is feeding off of Jossy's story that Joran made a statement in jail that he left Natalee at the Beach and that Deepak went back and he believes raped and killed Natalee. But we really don't know for certain Joran made that statement, nor should we believe it anymore than his 15 other statements (or I am sure there are more than 15 by now with the most recent interrogations). The only concern is whether or not some of the latest evidence findings (duct tape) were planted by the Kalpoes or not. Now that could definitely start that kind of war. I don't think we will truly know for sure though.

[Ria]

with the kalpoe brothers being out of jail; and all the news media; with all this new info - could joran's father still be involved somehow; coaching those boys and informing his son of what is happening? are they throwing twists into this purposely. is paulis paying witnesses to say "something" to get joran off the hook? is he allowed to see joran. someone has to be getting all this info to this kid in jail. it all is so "crazy." it makes us think crazy things - like what i just typed - YIKES! i think it's time for a glass of vino! happy hour anyone? :)

[calista]

it took laci months to wash up.....and she was in the bay who knows anymore

[birmingham dog]

What if there is no body in this pond? Yet another rumor. We had the editor of the paper tell us Natalee was burried in a grave on th beach, but no body, now we have eye witnesses tell that they saw natalee and Joran on the beach. What if this is yet another unsubstanitated rumor ?
Some of you need to realize that MAYBE the media is making all this stuff up for RATNGS.

gwd

[Ria]

Hey Dan, what's your theory on all this?

[Dan]

Either a straight OD and they supllied the drugs so they seek to hide it. Or she was given a date rape drug and OD'd and they tried to hide it. They meaning more than these three young and still wannabe gangstas.

[Ria]

so, you think she is dead? do you think she is in this pond they are draining??

[Jean Putman]

I have had many "psychic like feelings" about this case and have tried very hard to stop them because I am not a psychic----have only ever had three experiences in my life similar and they were primarily dreams. This situation was not and it was bone chilling and frightening and also very depressing. All I can really say is that I don't know Aruba so I can't say where this act was committed, but it is very strong belief that Natalee was drugged---woke up and was outraged, shocked, angry==standing holding clothing against her body--doubt she was wearing any---all indications from her body were that she was raped---and screaming at a very dark skinned man who I expected to be Joran---However when I have seen pictures of the three boys--it looks more like Deepak or Satishe. The gist of what she was outraged about is that not only Joran had done this to her--but that he had let those "monkeys" treat her like that. My impression was that he stood silently without any compassion visible. I am not sure of any of this but believe she was strangled or had an asthma attack--impression was of eyes bulging and tongue. I can't help but believe it was at the hands of the dark skinned person who had been called a "monkey". I also had a strong impression that a large red M could be seen from the area and that it was heavily vegetated. The only other sense I have had is of a very sad,sobbing distraught spirit who seemed to be like a little girl who needed reasurrence that it was not her fault. I have tried since then to get any vibes---only have a sense of something being very "ugly" and long blond hair sort of waving in water with algae.

I know---psychic stuff is disgusting, and I have prayed to be wrong about all of this. The only thing I could do to stop it was to offer comfort to that sad, distraught spirit and tell her it was not her fault---for some reason I felt was thinking of herself as Natty or Naddy. I have no idea where her body is---but if any of this was accurate, she is dead.---such a strong sensation of that. And I would so much like to be wrong.

Have not posted before---have been lurking here and at Scared Monkeys---hoping against hope that I would find out what has been a personal nightmare for me would prove to have been a product of my imagination. And I can only pray that is all it is.

Moke Girl

[Ria]

moke girl - thanks for your input! i believe in what you have to say! i too have psychic like feelings. my friends know of this...they trust when i have something to say because 99.9% of the time it's accurate. it's an overwhelming feeling when you feel something so strong!

[Lone War Eagle]

Thanks for sharing Moke.

I too have had 'premonitions' before--ones that came true almost to last detail, so I sympathize.

My impression is that she is alive---don't ask me why, but I look at the LE, botched cover-ups, etc., and just cannot believe they did her in, although you could be right. They were certainly capable and the new witnesses cannot be totally discounted.

Who knows at this point. I wish that the death vision is not true-I hope it is not. (p.s.-I am in America and have Native American blood, FYI)--I am not on the island

Lone War Eagle

[Ria]

i want to believe she is alive as well.

[Jessie]

Jossy may have dug this new "witness" up in his own back yard, but Jossy knows that Island a wide range of people there. He probably "knows" what probably happened and is helping push the case in the direction that it should go, even if he has to dig up witnesses thru his newspaper.

[annie]

Jessie, I think you are right. He has connections everywhere on that island and you have to admit, this has not hurt him and he seems driven to help (even if for personal reasons).

[Kat_Gram]

I think she passed away during the commission of the rape. All three were there and that is why
they are telling all these lies. None of them can blame it on the other because they are all to blame. If one were to try to blame the other there would be some self incrimination.

I don't think they set out to do more than have sex with her. To them it started off as a big joke.

Senario : Deepak had one hand over her mouth and was holding her neck and head area in the crook of the other arm. She struggled and then her neck broke and she passed away. They didn't call the polis or an ambulance because there was too much evidence of what they had done to her.

But it is way too late for them to say it was an accident. If they had been truthful with the HT's or had called the polis, then there would be some
way for the court to rule on a very lesser charge.
Don't forget Joran ( age = 17 ) & Satish are school boys.

The advice that PVDS gave them , No body = No crime and for Joran not to talk will come back to bite all of them in the ass.

They flushed their futures, their family futures down the toilet. Paulus will go to the poor house because of lawyers bills and he will carry on the fight on technical issues & appeals. Hopefully he will not be allowed to practise law any more.

[the rug]

"Monkey"? Is this some nickname I haven't heard about? Sounds racist.

[annie]

There is DNA evidence outside of the duct tape investigation. This is wonderful news!

[Ria]

i'm watching greta - they are draining the pond and are going to work through the night.

[Ria]

they also said that the kalpoe brothers are needed for questioning; if they do not cooperate - they will be arrested to be interagated!

[Jessie]

I have my doubts about this "witness" Jossey dug up. I just think Jossey is placeing the Kalpoe car in the area of the Marriott at about 3 am where the investigation believes it was but has not been able to prove. I doubt that this tactic is that unusual and probably not frowned upon by LE. One of those ends justify the means things.

I think that it is interesting that the text message that Joran sent from his cell phone at about 3:20 am was to the computer of Deepak and not to the cell phone of Deepak. This leaves open the probability that Deepak was not a home at 3:20 am. The investigation has leaked to the media that Deepak's cell phone tracking shows that he went back down to the area of the Marriott in the early morning hours of the day in question.

[annie]

Well I would agree with you Jessie under normal cirumstances (about the "witness" being placed by Jossy) except for the fact that the PI also talked to the witness and then went around on his own and found a second witness that also placed them there. That makes his witness far more credible. I think it would be harder to fool the PI.

[silkee]

Birmingham dog:

You have got to be about a nitwit. The media doesnt need to make up stuff for ratings. People would hang on to every little bit of information on this case.

Where are you getting your misguided information?

[annie]

Birmingham Dog, I highly doubt they would have the need to make up things or plant things for this case. While it definitely has been a ratings grabber, they have so many other stories that are also of newsworthy nature they could focus on that I just can't seem the doing that. Not even in Aruba given that Diario has the market share already so they have no need to look for more material.

[Texas Joe]

Hey Moke and all you other psychotics errrr psychics...don't you think you should go back on your meds!

Yes big break coming this week!
Blond hair on duct tape is not Natalee's///but dark hair on duct tape is perfect match for Jimmy Hoffa!