Fox Confession: What Just Happened

Pardon me for throwing water on anyones parade over Fox's old / new confession story. Greta Van Sustern just had on a reporter from Diario who walked through Joran v d Sloot's crying confession that he and Deepak Kalpoe, and possibly another buried Natalee Holloway. This is the rumored confession we had heard about so early in the investigation.

Aside from not knowing the veracity of the confession, I have just one question, which perhaps a Dutch legal scholar can address.

Under Dutch Law, given that this alleged "confession" is now all over the media, doesn't that all but ensure that it can never be used against Joran Van der Sloot should he ever be charged?

If so, than you have to ask yourself if Fox just landed a big scoop, or was lured into giving Joran v d Sloot a perfect out from any alleged confession. Personally, I have held some information back and continue to precisely out of a concern for messing up a potential prosecution.

I sure hope Fox and Greta looked into the Dutch law books before that report. They may well have, so I am not implying otherwise at this point. And if it is the case as per above, it would actually be Diario who would be at fault. The next question being, who leaked the info and why?

With rumors already suggesting some close to the investigation want to give Joran a pass ... leaking a confession in a system as closed as we see in Aruba wouldn't be a bad way to ensure that unfortunate outcome. Behind the scenes nearly every journalist I've spoken to, none from Fox BTW ... have indicated a certain caution as regards making information public because of the non-transparent Dutch legal system.

Comments

[Concerned]

Thanks, Dutch... for our existence that is. We are now a pluralistic society--- one nation composed of many. We do not have ethnic egos and strive to create the American Dream for every American.

[bamaman]

Worst case scenario is if everybody walks, which is likely to happen. I can guarantee you that there will be many people who will like to get their paws on the suspects. In due time of course. These guys are never gonna be able to rest easy the rest of their lives.

Someone will make sure justice is served. Wait and see.

[ev]

Holland should take over this case apparently no one in Aruba knows what they are doing and sending judges from Curacao is not helping the case one bit. Please I lived there once its about status.

I am really ashamed for Aruba its like its a third world country. Uncivilzed police for crying out loud.

Give Natalie back to her mother you assholes.

[Mike 1]

Dutch - Aruba economy is 90 tourism. A 1% unemployment rate! I guess you could say they owe their existance to the U S. :-)

[ss]

websluth if that is the case.. how did the kalpoe brothers attorney know how many time Joran has changed his story or was that made up also ?

[sol rosenberg]

wreck -

Can you elaborate on this "anonymus tip"? If Natalee is deceased, then I would love for her family to be able to bring her home. Natalee will never be replaced, but closure is an important part of this for stability of the family in the long term. Maybe if this is the case...the Holloways should change the verbiage to their $150,000 reward to reflect some type of reward for informtion of here whereabouts. I have to believe that BHT and family are realists and must ultimately need to know if she is deceased or not...Would the family sacrifice the "truth" for actually knowing that she is alive or deceased?

Someone on that island must know (besides the fearless 4)...

[ss]

sol do you think that anyone will ever know the "truth"

[websleuth2]

To "SS"

The prosecutor could have disclosed all of Joran's changed stories to the investigating judge. If so, the defense attorneys would have access to those facts.

On the other hand, Jossy Mansur seems to have his ear to the ground, so it could be from one of Jossy's police sources. But Jossy would be wise enough to hold the story until it is disclosed by the prosecutor in a hearing, and therefore fair game to publish.

About Jossy Mansur, see the English translation of the opinion in his case for defamation, the case is entitled "Messrs. L. E. and J. Mansur vs. The Netherlands, challenging their own portrayal as criminals" and I put it up at http://aruba101.blogspot.com/2005/07/messrs-l-e-and-j-mansur-vs-netherlands.html

[Don]

I think the fake leak was used to scare the kalpoes into confessing.

[ss]

websleuth.. just a question hope i am not becoming bothersome... do you think jossy mansur may see this as his opportunity to get back for the defamation case.. by leaking information and making the polis look like morons (not saying they aren't)

[observer]

Anyone with some inside info on how the hearings are progressing?

Have the Holloway's hired the hitmen to take care of JVDS?

[gab]

Sending lots of positive thoughts to Aruba for the Holloway/Twitty family- may they get answers so very soon and find peace with this sad, tragic situation~~

[ss]

websleuth.. in regard to your comments.. if they (Joran, Deepak & Staish) get off this time could they be prosecuted for misleading info. about the security guards or could they sue joran & friends for defamation of character...

[Manifestations]

Taken from Gretawire:

First, I see you have the lying Fuhrman on your show (Greta's sweetie). I see where Jeb Bush didn't believe his latest fiction book. Naturally. I also hear the crazy mom in Aruba is upset because of the hurricane, the bombings in England and the rescue of the girl in Idaho. All this is taking away from her and I saw a report that said she (mom) doesn't like these interruptions.... that the publicity "was getting away from her." That's why she held the hastily called news conference to issue a 'little' apology to get back in the news.
I hope Aruba doesn't have trial by jury, as you won't find 12 — or whatever — people that haven't been poisoned by her crazy antics and of course her husband, "Jug." LOL. You know, that father in Idaho showed restraint and common sense. He never criticized anyone. He kept his head and acted properly. He had two sons killed and his daughter kidnapped and raped. It had to be hard as hell on him. But he went silently about his way. He is to be admired.... greatly admired. Now you have this… mom in Aruba, criticizing all. She is a disgrace to the U.S. of A. She should follow the traits of the father in Idaho. But no, she wants to act like a redneck, backwoods, hick. I'm from the South, but the truth is the truth.
Sincerely,
Lewis Saintsing
Captain of Dets./Vice (Retired)

P.S. Those that are not intelligent enough to see that Chuck bathes in sarcasm have no business posting here or anywhere else on the net...or reading for that matter. Phukin Loony Morons

[berg]

I garan-figgin-tee you that in the Nederlands, if a confession by a murderer was leaked to the press that the Judiciary would NOT toss their hands up in the air and say. "Rats! Now we have to let him go." No way in hell.

[Nicky]

Just my vision. Take it as you will. I see Natalie lying on her left side, Left leg is bent at the knee under her right. I sense light by her feet. She can see light from where she is. It is below ground level. She is dead.

[grammydeb]

I "lurk" here at Riehlworld all the time I am able to, and after weeks of reading the posts, and posting myself a few times, it is clear to me that all three suspects are going to walk because there was a massive Aruban government cover-up from the early morning hours of May 31. That accounts for the psychopath's sadistic behavior with the media and the Aruban investigators (if you can call them that). He knows it; the Kalpoe brothers know it. And the entire Aruban government knows it.

Even yellow dog knows it.

I've said it here before: I think it would be nice if JVDS were to disappear after he is released. After all, just as daddy told him, "No body, no crime."

If Joran disappeared at some point in the future, it would serve so many purposes. Mommy and Daddy would get to experience the Holloway/Twitty families pain, the Aruban authorities would be free of this nut job, who would surely brag after he's let go and be a burden to them; the Netherlands surely can't want him or his daddy back in Holland, the Colombians must love the attention he is bringing to Aruba, and Natalee's family would at least have the satisfaction of knowing the little sociopath didn't get away with anything.

Personally, I'm most worried about Beth. She looks so frail and exhausted. After today, whatever the outcome in the Aruban court system, I think she should come home. Does anyone agree with me?

Joran is a liability to everyone he knows and thousands of others he doesn't know. I think it would be fitting and perfect symmetry if he were to just . . . disappear. Poof! Ah, if wishing could only make it so.

I'm going to try it.

I have three wishes, Oh Genie of Aruba. I wish Joran would disappear; I wish Joran would disappear; I wish Joran would disappear. Surely there must be a genie in one of those caves in Aruba who can make my wish come true.

[berg]

THIS IS INTERESTING [from scareedmonkeys]

The ARUBA Attorney General Theresa Croes-Fernandes:

"...the son of the AG was convicted in the Netherlands for the smuggling of drugs. He was not acquitted in the Court of Appeals like his mother asserted."

[dutchgal]

grammydeb, he MIGHT be a sociopath, you're a psycho. Go do something useful.

[DennisAOK]

Nicky,

Maybe your vision can tell us where exactly she is underground.

[PJ]

Hi everyone..I'm new to this board. Just a few thoughts to put out here to everyone. May sound silly but maybe not. The focus has been all along that Joran may have hurt Natalee but has anyone thought that the focus is on the wrong person? Could it be that Joran and the Kalpoes are protecting Jorans father? Anita was out of town wasn't she? Didn't Beth feel like Natalee was in the house or had been there? Didn't Beth get some strong vibes when she and Greta were in the Sloots home talking to Anita and Paul as he was sweating bullets during their chat?? Maybe the boys are terrified to spill the truth because it's Papa Sloot that commited the crime and not them. Could they be covering for Jorans father possibly. Anita wasn't there. I just think Jorans father looks more stressed out and guilty if anyone does. I also realize they have searched the beaches but have they thought of using a metal detector? Natalee could have some jewlery on her body. Toe ring..finger rings.. earrings..bracelet....a dental crown which has metal underneath the porcelain. Metal detectors can distinguish between metals and how far the depth of the metal is in the ground or sand. There are some very high tech metal detectors. My brother has used them for years. He found a cannon and bullets in the sand and donated it to a museum. Just a few thoughts which as I said may sound silly. I just think Jorans father is more involved than giving advice. He may be the "something bad has happened to Natalee".

[Sarah]

Good points PJ. I wondered if Daddy VDS was more involved because he too was at the casino gambling the day Natalee met Joran. I just don't think we will ever know the real truth because the Van Der Sloots and the Kalpoe brothers will never reveal the truth. They know if they don't talk, they will go free. This Van Der Sloot family seem to be very liberal and open minded about their lifestyles. Its no telling what really happened that night at their home.

[ztriggz]

@Manifestations

If the Idaho law enforcement and FBI had blown off the father
he would have been also raising hell for results. He was in the
loop completely, The Holloways are not... a huge difference.

Natalee's family has every right to demand some answers, anyone
who doesn't like the media coverage likely has several hundred
other channels of entertianment available to them. Lift an arm
and press a button. The coverage is there because of the inept
work of local LE down there. As a retired detective I'd hope you
can agree this was a screwup from day one on thier part.

[Blue Dog]

As some have here have pointed out, this confession story is totally bogus. On June 10 and 11 the boys had just been arrested. The police were likely grilling them really hard and they thought they had died and gone to Hell. The police were telling the boys what they had done (just making stuff up) and after about 48 hours of these tactics used by the police each of the three boys was ready to agree to whatever verson of the event the police were telling them took place. The police are likely more to blame for the multiple changing storys that the boys are.
When a suspect is going to take you to a body and then you come up dry, it is a pretty good bet that the suspect was just agreeing with the guy grilling him because the suspect was mentallly exausted.

[Nicky]

Dennis AOK. I am not claiming to be a psychic in any form of fashion. However i cant help that sometimes things happen. She is not in the water, she is not buried under dirt. She is in another type of area. I have no idea how Aruba landscape is. Never been there, and i have done no research. So whatever that means is whatever. Unfortunately, Natalee may never be found. However she is in a place that has been searched before but not good enough.

[PJ]

TY Sarah

One other thing that puzzles me. I have seen alot of videos showing Joran and Papa Sloot with grins on their faces. You NEVER see the Kalpoe brothers grinning. They look scared everytime I've seen them. What is so comical to Joran and his father that makes them grin and smirk? PVS grinning when standing beside his lawyer the day he was released and Joran in the car with a smirk on his face. See what I got away with pose! Their faces look nothing like the Kalpoe brothers. You would think Joran being held as long he has would have a different attitude sitting in the back of the police car without a grin on his face. Just bugs me everytime they show him doing that.Joran and his dad show way to much arrogance. I know you can't judge ppl by the way they look but grinning in a police car comes across very cocky. Father and son reak of it.

[sam]

Why isn't there any news yet about the hearings? I thought they were early this AM?

[PJ]

I don't think the hearings are over yet. May take some time since possible rearrests could be made but then again...who knows?!

[jimagine]

Manifestations has taken it on himself to pronounce anyone who doesn't understand the Archie Bunker on acid comments of "Chuck" to be a moron. He has also graced us with his pronouncement that Beth Holloway is a disgrace and a redneck hick. Fortunately he is a "retired" captain dick because his lack of compassion toward an unimagineable loss and his blanket condemnation of those he deems beneath him is frightening enough without the spectre of this megalomanical asshole actually carrying a loaded firearm and having a postion of authority.

[Jojo]

I've been contributing to this blog since day 3 of NH's disappearance and have followed this case closely, maybe too close. Sounds like the confession we heard about during week one was true. He did lead them to 'the crime scene' being near the Marriott. If he ran home to tell dad what happened (or what he did), dad may have went back, dug up the body and disposed of it properly elsewhere. This is why this particular story seems to be a lie: the body wasn't where he says it was. Hence the massive search. I am beginning to believe Natalee's body will never be found. She's buried somewhere on Aruba. Aruba does have tropical storms that can occasionally cause flooding. Maybe Natalee's body will wash up somewhere. Too risky to dump it in the ocean unless she's weighted down properly.

Any news coming from Aruba?

[harry]

Monkeys report that the appeals will be reviewed by three judges on Curacao tommorow with a decision on Thursday. Satish's lawyer confident his client will remain free. Also, prosecutor Janssen has been warned by the Attorney General. Why? No one is saying. But, speculation is that it was over a rumor that was leaked to the press.

[RealPotential]

I think Satish just might be talkin'.

[PJ]

Jojo...I absolutly agree that Jorans dad did more than just give advice.I personally think his hands touched Natalee in one way or another.

[mrp]

i know a little about a little .. and i know that people don't disapear with out a trace .. something always turns up !

[jordis]

WARNING TO AMERICNS!!!!
Please be careful what yo belive from Jossy's paper. Diaro is Aruba's ANTI_government newspaper. Jossy/Tito/Diaro are not really considered credible here. Tito has a reputation of writig alot of fantasy pieces without legitimate sources. He lies! So, take it ith a grain of salt. No educated Aruban believes much of what they write!!

[Jojo]

According to the Scared Monkeys articles; the AG's son was busted and jailed in the Netherlands recently and convicted for drug smuggling. They have their own problems. There is tension between Jannsen's office and the Aruba Attorney General. I'm afraid that we will not be hearing anything new for some time or at least; until the prosecution is ready to file charges. Agree that all the press could damage this investigation. There is no need for them to disclose or rush, not even for a grieving mother.

[observer]

Anyone placing bets on whether the Holloway family loses control and physically attacks the VDS family if Juron is released.

Why don't we have a war - the defenders of the Aruban system and authorities (including the VDS family) versus those of us who are pissed off about this case. Blood should spill in the Aruban streets because of this.

[Shari]

Is anyone else glued to the TV set waiting for answers? Looks like they're not releasing anything till everything is done.

[Snoopy]

Well know isn't this an interesting leak and timing by an Aruban local paper "Dairio." I wonder who paid them off, maybe the cartel? Release everone and this goes to the cold case file just like they wanted. I feel sorry for the family, they didn't have a chance on this one. I guess the guilty here will only have pay in the afterlife...

[observer]

Snoopy - no, i think they'll have to pay before the afterlife. I don't really know if the Cartel has that much of influence - I just don't know. If they do, we should kick some Columbian ass too - poor scum of the earth, uneducated, dirty people.

Nebraska Boy - I think more than just Alabamans want to take care of the VDS family. I think that feeling runs across various state boundaries.

Where have all of the local Arubans gone lately? Maybe they got sick of the anti-Aruban sentiment. I'll the kick the ass of the next Aruban I see on the street.

[harry]

Observer:

We have not heard a plea like that since Teddy Rooservelt's dealing of the Moroccans: "Mrs. Petticarish Alive or the Risoulee Dead!"

[minnesota dad]

From the first days I have stated this case shows all of the classic signs of cover-up.

This is how cover-ups are done in America, and I am sure worldwide also. I am sure that Aruba had no idea that a "can of woopass" was going to be unleashed upon them by media (thanks to Fox and the National Enquirer for keeping the heat on....this would have been garbage canned a month ago as "unsolved" or the two security stooges would have life sentences if it wasn't for US Media).

Members of the legal system utilize the legal system's loopholes to get themselves or "monied" individuals out of trouble. As an attorney in the US stated to me, "Any civil case over $500,000 has the potential of backdoor deals and payoffs." A judge will protect a friend over someone they don't know 100 out of 100 times.

The only justice on this case when JVDS is released and the Aruban Authorities throw up their arms and say "no body no crime" is this:
1) wherever JVDS will walk for the rest of his life, he will be looking over his shoulder. This stress will ultimately send him to the looney bin...if someone doesn't actually get to him first.
2) He will be constantly haunted by the images of the last minutes of the girl's life. While he makes woopie with another tourist, while he eats dinner at a fine restaurant, etc. His curse will be this image.

This case brings incredible credibility problems to Aruba. I will never go there, knowing that I could have crimes against me or my family that never get solved...despite the evidence and perps being available. Too scarey for me. md

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

DIARIO was not the first to report JVDS admits killing Natalee. A previous source said it was, "according to police!"

_____________________________________-
Someone "DM" posted a story from the Chicago Sun Times on June 21 --
around 4:15 pm ....

[see story at http://www.suntimes.com/output/ontiveros/cst-edt-sue111.html ]

..............................
Who could this have been?
Did anyone remember this:
----------------------------
My response to "DM" ........
....................................
DM

Thanks for the link. ... I have written to the woman who wrote it.

I never got a response.
I sent my email to her at this website:

http://www.suntimes.com/index/ontiveros.html
...................................
my email to the newspaper at:
http://www.suntimes.com/index/ontiveros.html

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Suzanne Ontiveros reports:

"After a week of worry, the worst fears about Natalee Holloway seemed to be confirmed Friday night [6-17-05]:

"According to police, a man [referring to Joran VDS] who took her to the beach in Aruba now admits to killing her."
....

Where does she get this. What is your source. Where is the confirmation? Where else is this stated?

Thanks,
Akekoa
_________________________________
Posted by: AkekoaHoAlethia | June 21, 2005 04:23 PM
==================================================

So I don't know if she was "sensationalizing" or speculating or extraploating or ???

Had some inside source?

Does anyone else have an idea??

[Shari]

Minnesota Dad,
I wish you were right, but I don't agree. He will not be haunted by anything. In order to do so, he must have a conscience. Apparently he does not, whether he ended her life or not. No man would leave a girl on the beach in the condition she was supposedly in. I DO believe he had something to do with disposing her body. I do not believe he will be haunted at all. I do agree that this case has brought out obvious credibility issues with the justice system, and I for one, would not visit Aruba because of it.

[DennisAOK]

AkekoaHoAlethia,

Wasn't that the weekend when supposedly one of the boys admitted to killing Natalee and was going to lead police to her buried body?

[AkekoaHoAlethia]

Dennis

I don't know?

[Chuck]

Jumbo Palumbo,

That's because Harry The Liberal needs a spelling lesson. The proper spellings are "Raisuli" and "Pericardis". He didn't say "Mrs. Pericardis", anyway, because Pericardis was a MAN. The gender was changed for a movie. This is proof that Bleeding-heart Harry isn't historically astute, but rather, lives in a fantasy land where cinematic nonsense becomes reality.

Did you get your info on the Monroe Doctrine from a movie, too, Harry? Or perhaps you got it from an episode of "Scooby-Doo"!!!

[The Truth Tell]

I know this has been discussed on multiple occasions before, but has seemed to be written off by the major public, or at least just not discussed. Why is the investigation so sure that she is on Aruba? When PVDS states "No body, no case", how could they be so sure it wouldn't be found, unless they had either dumped her deep in the sea, buried her somewhere they know authorities won't check, or sent her to another island. PVDS's statement sounds pretty confident that they won't find Natalee, as does JVDS expressions ever since he met with Dad in jail.

[Manifestations]

JIMAGINE

I guess you are a moron because you can't read my intro that says: TAKEN FROM GRETAWIRE.COM If you were a learned soul you would be able to tell that I am not the retired dick, but was transposing an article I had taken from another site.

C'est Le Vie!

[Chuck]

I think we all owe Manifestations an apology.