Fox Confession: What Just Happened

Pardon me for throwing water on anyones parade over Fox's old / new confession story. Greta Van Sustern just had on a reporter from Diario who walked through Joran v d Sloot's crying confession that he and Deepak Kalpoe, and possibly another buried Natalee Holloway. This is the rumored confession we had heard about so early in the investigation.

Aside from not knowing the veracity of the confession, I have just one question, which perhaps a Dutch legal scholar can address.

Under Dutch Law, given that this alleged "confession" is now all over the media, doesn't that all but ensure that it can never be used against Joran Van der Sloot should he ever be charged?

If so, than you have to ask yourself if Fox just landed a big scoop, or was lured into giving Joran v d Sloot a perfect out from any alleged confession. Personally, I have held some information back and continue to precisely out of a concern for messing up a potential prosecution.

I sure hope Fox and Greta looked into the Dutch law books before that report. They may well have, so I am not implying otherwise at this point. And if it is the case as per above, it would actually be Diario who would be at fault. The next question being, who leaked the info and why?

With rumors already suggesting some close to the investigation want to give Joran a pass ... leaking a confession in a system as closed as we see in Aruba wouldn't be a bad way to ensure that unfortunate outcome. Behind the scenes nearly every journalist I've spoken to, none from Fox BTW ... have indicated a certain caution as regards making information public because of the non-transparent Dutch legal system.

Comments

[CD]

The confession was one of the brothers buried the body at a specific location which a body never turned up. If this were true, they would have found a body.

Also, if Joran confessed to the crime and it was leaked to the public, surly it couldn't be thrown out. If this is the case then everytime someone confessed a crime, their lawyer could leak it to the press and off they go.

[CoCo c'est juste]

Dan,

I hope this isn't the case. That would make this situation sadder than ever. I was wondering what that was about. I also noticed the Beth wasn't too responsive when questioned about this issue because her attorney has probably explained Dutch law to her. We will have to continue to pray that God's law will prevail.

[ExGman]

Another red herring......

[CancunGirl]

Dan:
BTW, it's DIARIO.. not Dario

You are doing a great job :)

[southernBELLE]

Well it seems to me the 4 attorneys said even with the confession unless there is evidence of a murder, he walks.

[Dar]

At this stage...nothing that happens will surprise me.

Maybe this was the way out for the Van Der Sloot Family. They pulled some more strings and leaked the story to cause a mistrial and release their son.

[brian]

is it just me or is the entire aruban legal process an entire joke? sounsd like the whole thing is purposely set up to help people walk from their crimes. the entire idea that a confession being leaked to the press causes the case to be thrown out is so ridiculous and pathetic, its just absolutely unbelievable.

[harry]

Dairio has been a pro-Fox News source of information. Actually, I believe Fox News was the best thing that ever happened to Dairio. As for this confession, if it were factual, then why hasn't the Aruban police thoroughly checked out this area? How did the cadaver dogs fail to alert in is area? For that matter, how come the Texas team was not directed to this specific area? We have too many questions for this confession to be credible.

Even if this confession was made by Joran, corroborating evidence would still be required to prove a "fact of death."

I think Dairio is spreading false rumors. How could the court possibly let the Kalpoes go free, if the police had the statements alleged by Dairio in their possession?

[Sunny]

IF it is true, and Joran actually confessed and told them where they burried the body, then why have they been unable to find her? This 'leak' so far has produced nothing so I find it unlikely that it would be cause for Joran to walk, per Dutch Law. And Beth still doesn't have her daughter back. I can't begin to imagine the pain she is going through.

[GrannyToad]

Diario printed it, so that's Jossy Mansur whom Greta interviewed. If the confession was made public to get it thrown out -- that's intended to stab her family in particular and America in general.

But hey, it may be giving Natalee back to her family.

And the non-transparent Dutch legal system can kiss my sweet a- oh, you know, because some of us can make it a point to keep Joran and his papa and lil buddies' MURDER of Natalee alive on the internet until long after their children's children have turned to dust.

Or they can do the time for the crime like the men they think they are.

[tracker]

southern belle>

I agree with your observation, as well as Dan's. It continues to look as though a coverup is in play, or, at least, the investigation was bungled as a lot of us have feared all along.

[hrithik roshan]

it's just a hoax! I don't believe the "confession" It seems like somebody is doing his best to keep the discussion alive...very very smart indeed...

[k.jeanne]

Dan, I immediately thought the same about Greta's confession story...wondering if it might jeopardize the case against Joran, and if it might be a planned thing to throw the case out against Joran.

[mrsJimiHendrix]

harry

i am with you here

if mansur knows the guy is going to walk either way, he just scored a helluvalotta brownie points in the international media circus

it seems that everyone wants their piece of the action

this is terribly sad, makes you just loose faith in everyone down there

imagine what natalee's parents must feel like!!!

[Chuck]

PErsonally I think that the liberals, i.e. Kerry, Kennedy, Dean, etc. and other commies, had something to do with this. Think about it. Holland is a liberal socialistic nation. The American Democrats are liberal socialistic punks. Natalee, however, is a beautiful young conservative girl from Alabama who was going on to great things. Why *wouldn’t* those Democratic A-holes want to see her dead? Somehow they conspired with there dope-smoking Dutch buddies to do away with this girl.

Very sad. The problem is that I’m gettin’ angry at some liberals right about now and want to go out and whup some liberal a$$ (sorry about the language, Political Teen, but those libs just steam me under the collar).

I think the US Marine Corps should invade, send those Arubian f*&^ers over to Curacao temporarily, and then have some good ol’ American law enforcement comb that island. We’d find out the truth in no time! Then we could send the bill to those gawddamned liberal Dutch drug lovers. Time for the good ol’ USA to whip some BOOTIE!

Time to throw those dope-smoking fiends out of our back yard. Haven’t those ARubians heard of the Monroe Doctrine? We don’t have to put up with Dutch commie bullshit in the Caribean.

Throw em the F out!

[To Hell With Aruba]

I think Joran was very well coached in the art of lying and keep mixing up the story - it's clear liars are not prosecuted in any way - look at the DJ. At this point, the Holloway family knows they will never see justice done for Natalee - the only objective is to take her home and put her to peace. We all know justice will never be done in Aruba.

[brooklyn]

I wonder if that was the info Jug Twitty was always talking about - that would shock everyone?
The Texas people have searched that area - more than once - they said it tonight on Fox (Tim from Equusearch). "fact of death" may not apply to the Dutch system - that is in the American system.
But it's also hard to believe that in the face of a "confession", they could not attempt to prosecute. Maybe it was "leaked" so that Deepak Kalpoe would get upset at Joran implicating him - and decide to finally give some more info. Hopefully, while they have been home with mother, she will have urged her sons to come clean with whatever info they have. And the father is still very much in the picture, and still has a cloud hanging over him too. The whole case is dirty - and botched from the get go - as is crystal clear now. BHT looked so terribly pained tonight, and exhausted, her face says it all. However, I was glad to see that she still wasn't sugarcoating anything as far as who she believes has the info, etc. good for her!

[wreck]

I have been saying since Friday that come Tuesday, Joran will be released and an anonymous tip will then lead to Natalee's body within 24 hours. No justice, but at least they will have Natalee and can go home. SAD!! (it will also seal Aruba's fate as a destination to avoid!)

[Chuck]

Quit bashing Fox right now, people! Fox is an island of truth and freedom barely afloat in a sea of liberal communistic media treachery.

Frankly, I'm gettin' might steamed at some liberals right about now.

I know who *I* think did something to Natalee.

[To Hell With Aruba]

I agree - Joran will be released - The Aruba system is completely corrupt - we should empty our prisons and dump all the inmates off in Aruba - they would fit right in and continue to be one big happy lying murderous family.

[harry]

Dairio is solidly in the Twitty/Fox News camp. He would never jeopardize the case in order to stab his new friends in the back. Mansur is a trooper.

Why would he even publish something like this? He has to possess enough street-smarts to appreciate the situation. Maybe he fears that after the American media and technical assistance leave, the Aruban political power will overwhelm him for breaking ranks. This publication of a confession may be a survival strategy.

[Chuck]

Buncha god darned Commie Arubian Netherlands dopesmokers. Say hello to a little ol' something I call the Second Amendment, and come try to pry THIS one from my cold dead fingers while I enforce the Monroe Doctrine. Your ass is back to Holland for this crime against an American is what I have to say!

[You Know]

OK chuck, while I agree with you that the right is right and the left a a bunch of a-holes as you put it...you are a complete moron and you need to quit getting your info from Oliver Stone

[hrithik roshan]

When their first confession was that they buried her in the vincinity of the fishersmen hut, why didn't the investigators searched that area extra good?

[To Hell With Aruba]

I just read the article (translated by Aruba Girl) on Scared Monkeys - is pretty chilling - those boys are well coached and basically laughing at everyone as they get away with murder. I believe what goes around comes around - wonder how much attention there would be if Joran and his buddies "disappeared" in a few years. After all - no body no case - right?

[To Hell With Aruba]

roshan - there is a whole list of "why didn't the investigators do this or that?" The answer is, they are covering up for Joran - it's a corrupt system and the bottom line is they'd rather burn in hell for murder than do justice for an American.

[mrsJimiHendrix]

WRECK

i think you may be right

and this is nauseating!!

[harry]

The Monroe Doctrine refers to aggression against countries in the Americas by countries located outside the Americas. Aruba is a country in the Americas. The only aggressor, in an extremely expanded definition, would be the USA and not Holland. The Monroe Doctrine does not apply with respect to our differences with Aruba or the Netherlands.

[Christianna]

Found this article in today's "Carribean News". Was just wondering if anyone out there has heard this version of the story. I do agree with the "universal police procedures" he talks about. Definitely sounds like a cover-up case.

I'm not getting my hopes up on this supposed confession. I've gotten excited every time some new news came about only to be disappointed. But I will keep praying for the Holloway/Twitty family and for the truth to come out!

http://www.caribbeannetnews.com/2005/07/11/readers.shtml

[Chuck]

Excuse you, Harry. The Dutch legal system (in case you haven't looked the Netherlands is a EUROPEAN COUNTRY) is threatening the investigation of a death of an AMERICAN CITIZEN.
The Monroe Doctrine does apply here. Frankly, we shouldn't have let the Dutch here in the first place.

And message to "You Know":

I boycott Oliver Stone movies. I get my news from Worldnet Daily and the National Review. Are you stoopid or something? Glad to see that you are a fellow conservative, but don't be calling me names either. I didnt' call you a name. Let's keep this war focused on LIBERALS and not fight with one another.

[loren]

1, I don't believe Jossey Manseur's article.

2. I am anxious that the original poster is right and this story out now is a trick.

3. If you notice, Jossey M. did not offer his source and Greta did not ask. Odd.

4. If Jossey M. is such a good guy why did Beth HT have to find out about the story from a friend who happened to see the article and Beth then had to get it translated!?

5. If this one "story" was true from Joran VDS who is to say the LE of Aruba didn't find Natalee exactly where he said? Under their odd double-talk law, they appear to have no reponsibility to even share that information do they?

[P in S.E.Asia]

To me the alleged confession cant hold water since one woudl have had to think really long and hard on a place to bury the girl; one which would evade the massive search thta followed. - maybe underneath someone's house encased in concrete might have been able to do the trick but i doubt that ws planned.

Im sure im no the only one who thinks the following:

Im of the opinion not even 10 days plannin woudl have been able to realize thta objective. The more this case goes on the more i think Joran will inevitable be exonerated in all this

[To Hell With Aruba]

Christianna - that was an interesting article - really sums up the corruption in the case

[Chuck]

Look at what I found! The profile of one of the murdering Hindus. Could there be some clues here?

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=Ssw_6tdwcOcF4RFA

[lee]

Dan, I am less worried now about justice then just giving the body of Nat back to her mother so she can give her a proper Christian burial and at least have a grave to visit...

there will be no justice...

the powers that be have seen that no strapping young Dutch man with his good looks and bright future will ever go down over a silly, southern girl who had the audacity to die.....

I am sick to death of Aruba and their cronies and I hope the poor blacks rise up and chase the masters out of Aruba once and for all....

evil people......of course, I always believe that everybody gets it in the end, one way or another....

and I would just love to see Jerkin come to the States........maybe we could see some justice then...

in the meantime....how about a civil case?...can the Twitty's get a few million from the VanDaSluts?.....sometimes money is the only revenge one can get.....

[To Hell With Aruba]

I think Joran is sadistic enough to have planned this very carefully - this is not your normal teenager - he's smart and he's disgustingly sadistic with a bad temper - the kind of guy that WILL KILL AGAIN. He'll definintely go free - Daddy will probably pay for him to move to some unsuspecting country and he will commit serial killings for years to come before being caught - the world again will be asking why the Arubans aided and ebedded murder.

[Chuck]

I'm telling you this Joran is a typical Dutch piece of bad news. Yes, THWA, let him come her to AMERICA, I'll show that boy some justice!

[Chuck]

And here is the other Hindoo's page. Looks like he's standing in front of some sort of commie flag or something.

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=iL742Ang5qXNjbSm

[harry]

The last time that a country in the Americas screamed the Monroe Doctrine was when the British were about to reclaim the Faulkins. The Monroe Doctrine could not be invoked, because Argentina was deemed to be the aggressor when it occupied, by force, the British-owned Faulkin Islands.

In the Aruba issue, there has been no evidence of aggression by the Netherlands. The Netherlands are supporting their former colony. The only saber rattling comes form the USA against Aruba.

The Monroe Doctrine does not apply.

[loren]

Even if! this particular story of Joran's was/is

the truth......and if! he did bury her where he

said he/they did......that doesn't mean she was

left in that place?

What I'd like to know is did they take any search
dogs there to see if her scent is still there?

If the government/and/or law enforcement on Aruba
have found her and found it unnecessary to share this news (their law is still just so much double-talk to me) with the parents, the prosecutor, the defense attorneys, or the judges, this thing could go on forever.

Their law appears to be just a game of cards - holding trump cards back for this move or that.

It would be truly gosh-awful if the poster who said this may be an "out" for Joran for this to be made public like it has been - I think I'll throw up.

I still think Jossey Manseur has something up his sleeve with this article. And it's not good. This was out so long ago, WHY NOW, WHY THIS WAY?

Especially since Manseur has not said how he came by this news he's reporting - it has already been reported - and if he is saying he has validated it - HOW did he do that? I thought all information was so solidly guarded?

This smells to me.

[Chuck]

Learn how to spell, Harry. Falkland Islands, not "Faulkins". Are you some retarded liberal or something?

The Netherlands are, in fact, getting too big for their britches on Aruba. This concerns an American citizen who came under attack by a European in our hemisphere. We have every right to go in and kick the Dutch out, as they are our guests in this hemisphere.

[Tali]

At the very least, the US better deny Joran a visa to come study, visit, or live here. Wasn't it true that his plan was to come to the US to study? Let him stay on Aruba where criminals receive a warm and heart welcome.

[mrsJimiHendrix]

hello P!!

well folks tomorrow is going to be a madhouse in here

Dan i hope you are prepared

[Chuck]

I disagree Tali, Let him come here, I'll show him what a "warm welcome" is like. Frankly, if Joran tried to pull his left-wing murderous Dutch crap here in America we'd teach him a lesson or two. Send him over here, I'll be waiting!

[harry]

Chuck, rather than argue with me, you should share your wisdom with the US State Department. I'm sure that they would give your position all the merit that it deserves. Call them: 1-800-877-8339

[wreck]

"Lighten'up, Frances" -- Sgt. Hulka

[loren]

Good idea Chuck, but I think he should immediately go past "GO" and collect his reward. No waiting.

[Dirk]

Chuck,

I don't think the U.S. needs more enemies. The Dutch are still in the "coalition of the willing" And since Aruba is a Dutch protectorate, it also under the protection of the Nato.

[mrsJimiHendrix]

Dirk

hello there : )

glad you are back

[annie]

A couple of things came to my mind when I heard that report.

1. Perhaps they did bury her there, but they new "daddy" was taking care of her permanent location of rest so they didn't care. They knew there wasn't a body there anyway.

2. Perhaps they leaked the article because they were trying to see if the Kalpoe's would react since they were implicated as being there and aiding in the burying process.

3. Tim Miller said that there were a number of spots that could have been recent "graves" near there and that they were going to be doing a lot more ground inspections near there.

I believe a lot of the effort has been focused more on particular ground areas that the police gave Tim's team to look at versus being able to actually comb the entire island themselves. A lot of the initial searches were done by the Aurban volunteers and guests on the island that volunteered. The Texas team focused a lot more on the water searches and a few specific ground areas (like the dump, the quarry and of course they were kept from searching some key areas like the VdS home and Kalpoe home). However, even if they do search there and the dogs pick up a slight scent, I suspect PVdS has long taken care of the body.