First Mention Of Evidence In Natalee Holloway Case

Reader Island Hopper comments:

Just reported on FOX there is physical forensic evidence that can be used but they won't say what it is.

That may have something to do with the post below.

Comments

[findthetruth]

BOYCOTT CNN!!!

[KDH]

ag:

legal age for drinking in holland (as well as in aruba) is 16 (light alcohol like beer) but, most bars don't allow people under the age of 18

[PT]

At the same time I don't get it, now people are mad because they were charged? I thought that is what people worried might not happen. The three guys are in jail and charged. Now why all the anger at the Aruban govt for that? No matter what they do still the complaints and accusations. I did notice the lady said they avoided talking murder due to the family and I wondered what that was suppose to mean but didn't want to read anything into it that might not be there.

[Brianna]

I can't wait to hear what Beth has to say about them witholding information.....she's going to tear 'em up!

[findthetruth]

someone from aruba had made a comment that dutch law can only keep a minor regardless of what they were charged for until they are 21 then they are released. i hope that isnt the case

[JPIMP]

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — The three young men detained in the Natalee Holloway (search ) case have reportedly been charged with murder.

Aruba's chief prosecutor told The Associated Press that the murder charges were filed soon after the suspects were arrested more than three weeks ago, Those charged includeJoran van der Sloot (search), 17, and his friends, Surinamese brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, Aruban Attorney General Karin Janssen said.

Janssen explained that the charges weren't announced at the time they were handed down to protect the family of the missing honors student from Alabama.

"At the time, we didn't want to upset the (Holloway) family talking about murder while they searched," Janssen said.

Janssen, who has said several times in the past three weeks that no one was charged in the case, said they also kept the information quiet in order not to compromise their investigation. Authorities have said they have no physical evidence suggesting Holloway is dead.

The three suspects were arrested 10 days after Holloway disappeared on May 30.

Also Friday, Aruba's government defended its handling of the investigation, saying many of the criticisms arose from misunderstandings of the Dutch legal system used on the Caribbean (search) island.

Police have been criticized for letting more than a week go by without detaining the three young men last seen with Holloway and for waiting 16 days after she went missing before searching van der Sloot's home.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

[DennisAOK]

As posted here a week ago, taken from the Dutch newspaper, the Aruban police have suspected rape and murder by all three boys from the beginning. The key question is: Without a body, do they have anything to make the charges stick?

[ag]

thank you for the correction I was always told that it was 18. . . .

[ag]

Just a thought if the legal age is 16 then whats all the stink about Joran drinking at 17?

[Spike]

Fox reporting the three are charged with Murder as "breaking news" as of about 20 minutes ago.

[Roger Kricken]

Frankly, I hope that he confesses and that they rehabilitate him and let him go in a couple of years so he can go out and help the world.

No sense in letting anyone rot behind bars. No one ever regrets their mistake (everyone in prison is innocent!) and they acquire even worse criminal habits. These prisons are colleges for crime!

Anyway, the Lord knows what to do with Joran if he doesn't repent and accept Jesus Christ as his savior before he dies.

God bless Natalee, Joran, ect.

[Tennessee]

first, and foremost, we are not a country dependant on another country's tourism. the fact that your financial income is based on tourism is your own fault/business. by no means am i going to go to a country knowing that i can be murdered and my government cannot do a single thing about it, because if you believe that they are not completely cutting the fbi out, you're crazy. also, i hope that if they are convicted that the government can charge this kid as an adult or it would just add to the reasons why i, along with MANY other americans will not go to this country. also, i could care less if we didn't have any more tourists, i honestly don't give two left testicles if they wanna see our country or not. HELL YEAH I"M AMERICAN

[Brianna]

Being the Alabama girl that I am, I wish more and more each day that this had happened at home (it, ofcourse, wouldn't have hopefully). If these boys were let loose, they would have to move out of the country to escape justice. We look out for eachother down here. They'd have gotten several good beatings

[KDH]

yes, but you are a minor till you are 18... i don't know joran's birthday (i do know him btw but i don't want to say anything abt him or his family)

I really don't know the dutch law that good(even tho i live in holland) but I know sometimes the dutch law is redicules...

[texmom]

The stink was made because the legal drinking age in the US is 21...we didn't realize the drinking age in Aruba was 16. That is why I will definately think twice about traveling there w/my kids now. Never thought it would be 16.

[leonardo]

It's ( the news about charges) comming up her in Holland as first item in the news in about 5 minutes from now !

Let's see what they say.

Hopes those animals will be in jail for lifetime...

[texmom]

kdh
i heard Joran's birthday was in July, this month.

[Big Pappy]

They've been charged with murder, NO, WAIT, they've been charged with murder since day 10, we've been SPARING the family.

WTF is this all about, this should certainly give the family some comfort, NOT!!!!

[JustMe]

I think that under Dutch law once a prosecutor files charges those charges can be reduced but not raised. Maybe that is why the prosecutor has thrown the kitchen sink at the three.

If any Aruban or Dutch readers see this I would be interested in hearing if my understanding is correct.

[ag]

Ok so you are considered aminor until you are 18 but they let you drink?

You live in Holland. . . . I don't live in Aruba but have traveled there many many times more times than I can count. I have always been told by family friends and others who live there that the drinking age is 18.

Why would a country let you drink alcohol( something that most people here can attest to that it messes up your thinking at times) as a minor LEGALLY

[Tennessee]

well said brianna...dixie is the place to be..."justice will be served and the battle will rage, this big dog will fight if you rattle his cage, and you'll be sorry that you messed with th U. S. of A., cause we'll put a boot in your ASS it's the AMERICAN way." thanks toby

[leonardo]

Holy fuck ! That law system is totally crazy...first they are only suspects now they are being charged of murder.....on what evidence...They r lying to the family Holloway
allready 3 weeks.

Now they have to give details and as quick as possible imo !!!

What an amateurs....pfffff

[ag]

Am I crazy for not understanding this kdh

[Larry]

Tennessee,

Are you some kind of protectionist socialist or something?

As a matter of fact the US has the highest gross revenues from external tourist revenues in the world. While this is not true on a per capita basis and the country as a whole is not dependent on foreign tourist $$, many areas are.

You strike me as some communist union-loving piece of socialistic s&#t! Otherwise you would not be into this protectionist crap.

[KDH]

Tennessee:

I really have no idea what to say to your kind of people.. IF i was killed in America by one of the american's you think that the american gouverment would let the the dutch gouverment to deal with the case? No way... I've been in Aruba for a year... and still planning to go back one day.. I really had a great time on Aruba. It's not that Aruba now is suddenly unsafe because of this happening... This could have happend everywhere... My motto is always to take care of yourselve in what ever situation... I'm 20 years old and even if I had several drinks I still know what I'm doing... Controlling myselve....

[Brianna]

Whoopass brought to you courtesy of Beth, me, and you...:) we'll take Southern justice to them if need be.

[Big Pappy]

So they throw a little tidbit to the news, that they have been "charged" since day 10, and immediately also go on the defensive on the handling of the investigation. The suspects were transported together so they could "monitor" what they were saying, sorry, but these guys are complete bozo's at investigation. Media machine starting up in Aruba.

So have they been "charged" because they were the last ones known with Natalee?

[texmom]

ag

you can join the military in US at 18 but can't drink legally until you are 21.

go figure.

[Ari]

texmom:

The legal drinking age in Southern Europe is 12 (or even less). Make sure you never take your kids to Italy, France, Greece, Spain. Better stay in Texas.

[ag]

I do have to agree with you on that one kdh

[Tennessee]

ok...several drinks...controlling yourself, fine. but what happens when someone puts liquid g in your drink, i wanna see you control yourself then

[leonardo]

Excuse me for the law system in my country dear friens from oversea....I am ashamed....

To keep this charges away from the family for 3 weeks is so not done.

leo

[Big Pappy]

This does not help the investigation or the authorities handling the investigation. This will only ramp up all the press pit-bulling and make people dig deeper.

[Brianna]

KDH, you have an excellent point - because you can control yourself, not everyone can. THESE WERE KIDS ON THIS TRIP. Something magic does not happen when you turn 18 and the maturity fairy doesn't come to visit. THEY HAD NO BUSINESS DOING WHAT THEY WERE DOING, neither did those who did this to her. But that's beside the point right now.

[ag]

to me the military at 18 and drinking at 21 makes sense. . they allow you to be an adult and learn resposiblity before they let you drink.

Like I said I was always under theimpression that the legal drinking age was 18 in aruba. . . I'll have to call my sister who lives there tonight

[Amerika has stupid drinking laws]

At the age of 18, an American is an adult.

At the age of 18, an American man or woman can take a full-time job,
they can rent an apartment,

they can join a union, they can purchase and carry an 18" Bowie knife,

they can get married, or have consensual sex,
they can get a mortgage (okay, they can apply for a mortgage),
they can have children,
they can own and drive a car,
they can adopt children, they can buy a pornographic movie,
they can have an abortion,
they can act in a pornographic movie,
they can buy contraceptives (or get them free in school) they can buy cigarettes,
they can buy a handgun, semi-automatic shotgun, or scope-sighted rifle, they can take codeine and morphine under doctor's orders,
they can sell booze in a bar, they can sign a contract,
they can own a bar in some states (including, apparently, PA) they can purchase and use dynamite in some states,
they can become an armed police officer in at least three states, they can work as a merchant sailor on a trans-oceanic ship,
they can shoot pool in public, they can enter a seminary to become a priest or minister,
they can own a business and employ other adults,
they can sue,
they can get a passport, they can be sued,
they can go see any movie in a theater, they can work as a prostitute in Nevada,
they can get a pilot’s license, they can join the military and fight, kill, and die for our country (1/5 of all combat deaths so far in the Iraq war were adults...under 21),
they can get a hunting license and legally carry a high-powered rifle,
they can serve on a jury and send murderers and terrorists to death row,
they can (they must) pay taxes, they can be sent to death row,
they can (and should) vote, they can run for political office, with some exceptions.

If you have any other bizarre additions to this list, send 'em in.

But they can’t have a beer. And it's killing them.

The 21 legal drinking age is a mistake.

That's not just my opinion, either. A growing number of people across the country are questioning the wisdom of the 21 legal drinking age (LDA). Pete Coors made statements to that effect in his senatorial campaign in 2004, and was roundly denounced as being self-serving...rather than better-informed and concerned. Kenyon College president S. Georgia Nugent recently said that virtually all college presidents believe that raising the drinking age has increased the drinking problem on campus rather than decreased it. That includes Dartmouth president James Wright. Police chiefs feel that the 21 LDA contributes to binge drinking and is unenforceable.

Just as these concerns rise there are conveniently timely "studies" that underage drinking causes brain damage -- no doubt as seen in the rampant epidemics of teen brain damage in Europe and Canada that have been in the news recently... These studies seem to focus on truly heavy drinking by teens...the same kind of drinking that causes brain damage in adults. Zero tolerance is the prescribed solution to the problem. We've already seen how well that prohibition is working.

The United States is the ONLY country in the developed world with a 21 LDA. There is no compelling evidence that shows a causal link between the federally enforced imposition of the 21 LDA and any decline in underage drinking, alcohol-related deaths, or underage drunk-driving deaths. Studies of the subject uniformly ignore any other factors (such as safer cars, lower speed limits, seat belt laws, safer roads, or societal changes) that may have something to do with such declines. They also ignore any possibility that the 21 LDA has actually encouraged binge drinking by putting 20 years of age-and-under drinking underground.

Why are adults from 18 to 21 years of age treated as second-class citizens in this one respect, when in so many others they are expected to live up to society's responsibilities?

Why does so much of the discussion of underage drinking focus on college students? Do adults cease to exist if they don't go to college?

Why are there no solid statistics on underage drinking? Why can't you find out how much of the total "underage drinking" is done by 18 to 20 year old adults?

Why is there virtually no effort to teach adults to drink responsibly?

[Big Pappy]

Leo, so that is "out of the ordinary" to keep that information from the family for 3 weeks?

[Brianna]

OKAY I AM GOING TO MAKE SOMETHING VERY CLEAR: DRINKING GOES ON AT BASES FOR THE MILITARY FOR UNDERAGE PEOPLE. IF YOU JOIN UP IN THE ARMY, YOU GET ACCESS TO IT - NOT BY GOVT. RULES, BUT THAT'S THE WAY IT HAPPENS. Quit yer bitchin' people. 21 is a good age. I know alot of 21 year olds that never got past 14.

[me]

To those righteous screamers; stop your petulant and childish behavior. And keep your mouth shut untill you really have something to contribute. Many foreign tourists have been murdered in the US while on vacation and MANY cases are still unsolved. Talk about bungled up police work. Oh, and while on the subject; why is Osama still not apprehended? Why is that concentrationcamp in Cuba still operating? Why is it that THOUSANDS of little children vanish without a trace EVERY YEAR?

Just asking.

[Larry]

Hey Tennessee you left-wing protectionist anti-free trade nut.

You didn't answer my question. You cannot conceal your communistic ways by waving the flag.

[Ari]

AG:

"Why would a country let you drink alcohol( something that most people here can attest to that it messes up your thinking at times) as a minor LEGALLY"

I'm surprised that people here have no clue of history or other cultures. The way Americans feel about alcohol is tied with a protestant culture that escalated to extreme measures (Prohibition). There are 6 billion people on the planet and Americans are a meagre 5% of the total. Travel to Italy and Greece, that have the benefit of a civilization that is a few thousand years older than the US. You'll be surprised to see that there is no drinking age.

[KDH]

ag,

you can also ask yourselve what kind of law system lets you have a drivers licence is your under aged?? I'm very happy abt the way we deal with the drinking...

Starting from 16 years you can drink.. From your 18th you can drink strong alcohol and you can get your driviers licence (in holland and aruba)... In the two years (from your 16th till your 18th) you have been drinking several time's that you know how it is to be drunk(this is what teens do (and don't tell me you know better because it hase been for me now 4 years ago since i'm leagly drinking ;) ))

At your 18½ your getting your drivers licence... You know tha\t if your drunk you dont handle yourselve as good as normal.. So you KNOW when your driving not to drink...

In America... Teens get their drivers licence at 16.. but they can't legally drink till their 21... So this means they start drinking and have NO experince with drinking till your 21th.. Your driving to a party... drinking a few beers not used to it getting druk, getting in the car going home, make an accident bla bla bla...

In this opinion i really think our drinking age is far better then in the states...

[Larry]

"Tennessee" is anti-business.

[JustMe]

Would you guys who are going on and on about the legal drinking age please put a cork in it?

[Alvaro]

Tennessee and Brianna:

What friggin country do you guys live in? Surely it is not the U.S. I live in. The U.S. I live in can be a great place to work and live, but you better watch your ass in ANY of its cities. We have missing people GALORE, serial killers GALORE, rapists, molestors, gangbangers, out of control kids... Often, perpetrators of hideous crimes in this county use their money and WALK, they play the race card and WALK... Who are we kidding here? Frustration is one thing, but to go off on tiny island because they don't have our resources is ridiculous that island is like friggin Mayberry.

I have lived on three continents, and am happy to be an American, but one thing about us is that we believe we are owed life without danger. Danger is everywhere its a part of life.

[texmom]

Ari-France is the last place I would spend my hard earned $$$$.

12 years old-come on!!! That is so mideaval!! Who made those laws? Child molesters wanting to get kids drunk and take advantage of them?

Thanks for that tid-bit of information. I will definately research the laws before leaving the US.

[Larry]

Alvaro,

I agree. It is one thing to not go to a place because it is dangerous. If you judge ARuba to be a dangerous place (generally it sounds like it is NOT) then don't go there. But this silly boycott talk? Crimes happen everywhere, and incompetent police are everywhere.

But Tennessee has shown his narrow-minded socialistic views.

[me]

"I know alot of 21 year olds that never got past 14."

Inebriated Brianna? Care to explain yourself? Can you?

[elaine]

Ari,

I kinda figured you were Greek ; )

now account for the drinking in mexico then..........

[texmom]

just me-
i agree. this is a stupid subject.

any new info?

thank you for getting us off that subject