Earlier reports of voice analysis being done may have been false, but rooted to this investigator's previous visit on his own dimje to the island. It has been my understanding all along that, assuming the fund raising permitted it - the family would employ a private investigator if needed.
Contrary to some reports, the Twitty family is not wealthy, they are said to be a working class family.
Jug Twitty works for a metals company in Alabama and Beth works as a speech therapist.
Twitty grew up in Pine Bluff, Ark., and met her first husband, Dave Holloway, after college, family members said. The couple had two children, Natalee and Matt, 16. They eventually divorced and Twitty lived in Mississippi for several years.
In the late 1990s she married George "Jug" Twitty, who works for a metals company in the Birmingham area. She moved to Mountain Brook, a Birmingham suburb, and continued her career working with young children as a speech pathologist in the public schools, where she was hired by Standifer.
"I knew she was strong and smart," Standifer said. "That's why I hired her. But I've been surprised at how determined and strong she is." Twitty and her daughter were extremely close – "buddies" – in Standifer's words.
Natalee was sometimes called "Hootie" by friends, and Twitty at times took the moniker, "Big Hootie." "Beth took the summer off to help Natalee get ready to go to college," Standifer said. "She was an honors student and got a full scholarship to the University of Alabama."
As for the investigator, read below.
The parents of Natalee Holloway, the Alabama teenager missing in Aruba, have hired an Alpharetta firm to begin a private investigation.
The teen, who was in Aruba to celebrate her high school graduation, was last seen in Aruba six weeks ago.
“I was watching this case just completely start falling apart, and I felt bad for the family,” said T.J. Ward, a private investigator with the firm Investigative Consultants International.


Brian
The reason that the case was botched from get go
was because of Corruption.
Corruption controls the island and everyone on it...
Its someone connected with the Island Corruption
that got a hold of Natalee..
Paulus is involved with Island corruption and Joran is his son
Deepak and Satish..I am sure that their important
step dad (I think) is also part of the island corruption.
Its the island corruption that has dealt Beth fits while in Aruba...she has been treated and put through hell down there...corruption is why she has hit dead end after dead end in seeking information.
The corruption of the island wants everyone to believe that Natalee is dead...they could have given her back by now BUT DO NOT WANT TO...
whomever has her is quiet happy with having her...
If he can convince the world she is dead...doesn't
he think he has won???
Here is something else that has bothered me from the start...the two security guards...
Whomever first started the corruption knew the behavior and habits of the two secuirty guards
somehow too I think they are tied into the corruption via drugs...and someone suggested
"lets pin it on them" and that is how that all started..hey and Joran and Deepak and Satish
all knew about the security guards...now where do you think they got their information from and the advice to pin Natalee's disappearance on the 2 guards...and I believe that the polic are in on the corruption too because of the first ten days issue..
I am telling you...Corruption is the key here..
It is the corrupters of the Island that got Natalee...and Joran and Deepak and Satish pehaps
and most likely Paulus all had a part in it...
remember who Joran always gets his advice from!!!!
Posted by: Mt. Brook Mom | July 20, 2005 02:19 AM
i share your sentiments mt. brook mom hence, the new polis chief. they are in to their eyeballs and still covering up. the world is sitting back and watching this, and making notes. not everyone is buying their dragging their feet, making a mockery of themselves. in the menatime joran gets his daily dose of mommy and daddy telling him and directing his silence. not everyone will boycott aruba but once beth returns home there will be more on that island, and possible books will be written by someone. that is when the island will be discredited as a seedy and unsafe destination for tourits. blessed be the tourists who are presently in foreign jusrisdictions, and the familly holloway.
Posted by: speaker | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 02:48 PM
Not that I believe the MB kids have anything to hide, but if they do the most it could be was that Natalee intended to leave with jvds, and go somewhere, to do something. (Worst case it could be a personal encounter or to buy drugs)
In any case, It really doesnt matter because the three know more than they are telling. If the intention was to do one of the above listed things, they would offer up the story right away.
The only reason to create multiple lies regarding their actions and whereabouts on that night is to cover up for major wrong doing on their part. And I don't mean purchasing/using drugs, because that charge is probably not that serious in Aruba anyway. I don't believe these 3 were involved with people that "convinced" them to take the blame in this case.
icey
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The Mountain Brook teens are still hiding a lot. Frances Ellen Byrd changed her story as well from the original one. It looks like she is trying to hide something.
Posted by: Bibby | July 20, 2005 11:09 AM
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Posted by: icey | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 02:49 PM
a few days after the 31st of may, deepak or satish mentioned that they figured she'd "turn up in a crack house." what's up with these crack houses on the island? sounds no different than bayshore, new york, in the early 90s
Posted by: josh | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 02:57 PM
Josh LOL Bayshore.. Do you still live on Long island.?? Sitting in downtown hauppauge right now!
Posted by: NewYawkGirl | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 02:58 PM
no, my mom is from there. i live in glen cove. i will be in sayville next week :)
Posted by: josh | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 02:59 PM
Cool! Sayville is nice
Posted by: NewYawkGirl | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:00 PM
heard about 1/2 hour ago on Fox news that the duct tape and hairs were sent to FBI lab in VA. Can anyone verify this?
Posted by: theresa495 | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:01 PM
Icey,
Can you give a bit more info as to how Frances Ellen changed her story. I saw her last night on Greta and a few weeks ago. I'm not clear about what everyone says is so different about her description of the events that night. Thanks
Posted by: usmcmom | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:01 PM
yeah, my friend's family owns a house on Fire Island, so I'm making the annual week-trip with him and his wife, another buddy & his wife, and my cousin & his girlfriend. should be fun!
Posted by: josh | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:02 PM
I am ashamed to admit this.. been on LI or Queens my whole life.. the closest I have ever been to Fire Island Is Robert Moses!!
Posted by: NewYawkGirl | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:03 PM
i was there on the 4th of July. it was a great day. robert moses rocks!!!
Posted by: josh | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:04 PM
Kap
who are you? Yes the FBI has interviewed the kids but not the Aruban LE. Why is that? And just because they have been questioned does not mean they told the truth. I am placing blame on no one because that is simply pointless. If you continue to ignore the fact that these kids may have info and not even realize that keeping it in is not helping: YOU MAKE ME SICK! Why would the Holloways and Twittys sue? They were partying and drinking and possibly doing drugs. (which may hinder judgement) The biggest mistake made by the MB kids was not looking out dfor one another. Now it is time for them to look out for Natalee and not themselves.
Posted by: Rachel | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:04 PM
I'm not saying she did these things specifically, but you can't put her up on a pedestal and call her a saint because she was an honor student. teenagers do things.
how many funerals have you been to where people go up and talk about the deceased by telling of their faults and their shortcomings? no. this is the same thing.
none of this means she deserved anything, btw.
Posted by: weet weet | July 20, 2005 02:38 PM
Not sure where you were brought up, but in my house, a spade is a spade. Nobody here on this forum has said Natalee is a saint. I just don't understand the need for people to assume the opposite of Natalee. There has yet to be anyone that I am aware of to come forward and say she drank, did drugs as a routine. If there were dirt on her, it would be front page news by now.
The fact STILL remains, Joran and the Twitt brothers are self subscribed users and abusers. That is the facts here. The only ones here, saying Natalee is/was a saint, are those trying to paint her as being otherwise. Just because you drugged as an honor student, does not mean she did. And I am sure if you were missing, even now, the ghosts of the past would be screaming all your lucid affairs all over the press. NOT SO, in the case of Natalee.
Like I tell my kids, until you can prove other wise, it is NOT your privledge to assume anything without first hand facts.
Posted by: Cindi in PA | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:05 PM
Quoting Cindi:
I doubt based on all accounts of Natalee, she would be going out seeking drugs for the group. Maybe you never raised an horor student, one who worked her ass off for a full scholarship, had friends with nothing but nice things to say about her.
Here YOU are assuming something withouth first hand facts. I'm NOT saying she was a slut or a drunk or anything. its not black and white.
i also never said that if she did these thigns, she did them as a routine. i'm talking casual use, like many many many students her age, honor students and "losers" alike, do.
You're saying that if she had ever done anything wrong all of her skeletons would be leaking out in the press now. But she's a high school student, and the people who would know thse things would also be high school students. When a kid in school dies (or gets sick, etc.) its a scary new thing for kids, and they band together. nobody EVER talked shit about a kid after he died. Not to mention, with the press involved, these kids, even if they did want to say something, they have to live with their parents who would obviously hear it through the press, and that's enough to keep quiet.
i'm just saying we shoudl not assume ANYTHING, that she was a "goodie goodie" or a tramp, because WE DON'T KNOW.
Posted by: weet weet | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:15 PM
Rachel - you're a fool. The reason the Aruban LE hasn't questioned them is the same reason the FBI hasn't questioned Joran and the Kalpoe brothers. I'm confident the FBI relayed the information they gained from the students to the Aruban LE, not like the way the Aruban LE has been withholding info from the FBI and the Holloway Twitty's.
So now that one girl has a minor variation in her story that she speaks for all the MB students that were on that trip? Are you saying because one remembers a different version of events that all of them are hiding info? You are really grasping for straws to imply they have hindered the investigation. They have nothing to add to the investigation so how are they hindering it from the US? As a matter of fact, they only know up to the point when Natalee left C&Cs...Joran and the Kalpoe brothers KNOW what happened after that. You don't know what happened that night and it's been almost 50 days since she's been gone and those kids back from the island. Sometimes things get fuzzy and yes they were having a good time but that doesn't mean they are hindering the investigation.
Who are you? Joran's mother? Secret Admirer? or just a moron?
Posted by: Kap | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:16 PM
Hey how many of you want to make a wager on how long these individuals make it before they take a dirt nap? From what Countryboy says and from what I hear in the mountains here these folks are serious, i have heard basically the same thing here in georgia. I heard this from a friend of mine from around Ft. Benning who is a retired special forces character.
I say go get them and make the illand glow in the dark. Horah !!
Posted by: Kingpin | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:18 PM
Oh, PS Cindi- its Lurid, not Lucid. and casual drinking and pot smoking does not mean that i had "Lurid" affairs. They were quite Lucid, however, because i remember them all.
lu·rid ( P ) (lrd)
adj.
Causing shock or horror; gruesome.
Marked by sensationalism: a lurid account of the crime. See Synonyms at ghastly.
Glowing or shining with the glare of fire through a haze: lurid flames.
Sallow or pallid in color.
lu·cid ( P ) (lsd)
adj.
Easily understood; intelligible.
Mentally sound; sane or rational.
Translucent or transparent. See Synonyms at clear.
Posted by: weet weet | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:19 PM
Sorry I mispelled Island
Make the ISLAND GLOW IN THE DARK ! Let's do it !! :- )~
Posted by: Kingpin | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:20 PM
Countryboy, are you saying there is a team of crack surveillance/black ops currently on the island with bolt-action ultra distance sniper rifles ready to wax all of the "hard targets" when the time comes?
Can you explain further? And a reminder that this is real life, not a first person shooter on your new Alienware pc. :)
Posted by: Big Pappy | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:24 PM
Kap
I do not appreciate the name calling. I am a mother of 6 who lives in Texas. Just because we may not see eye to eye does not call for you to insult me. I happen to have teenagers and am sure you do not. What gives you the right to use this tragedy as a means to be an a**hole? I have not once expressed any support for Joran or the Kalpoes. I beleive they harmed her and hope they pay. I do however feel it is important to tell the truth when someones life is at stake. By the way you are the fool, it is not the F.B.I.s case and that has been made clear. I believe if it was the F.B.I.s case it would be solved by now.
Posted by: Rachel | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:25 PM
I'm just going to give y'll my 19-year old southern born/raised daughter's view on Frances Ellens' demeanor last night. It's not that they're covering up for the partying they were doing on Aruba, that is why they were on Aruba and their parents knew that. She feels it's b/c Frances and Natalies close group of friends had a falling out that night at C&C's. Some of her close friends left before Natalie. Frances Ellen left at the same time, but wasn't with Natalie. That is the "Key" Not only did her group not go back to the HI together, but more importantly during the rest of the evening her group did not try to hook back up with her. Why there was a falling out my daughter has some ideas. But she feels Frances Ellen's demeanor is one of "tragic guilt" for not being their for her friend over probably a "stupid ass" fight.
Posted by: usmcmom | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:26 PM
A 17 y.o. guy would have some difficulty figuring out how to handle a really bad situation properly.
Posted by: kescah | July 20, 2005 02:28 PM
17 year old boys with anger problems learn early how to manipulate their surroundings or so they think, this was Jorans way of warning that he is still in control. Jorans banging his hands on the hood of the car are a tell tale sign of someone out of control. Ask anyone who has delt with young people with this same problem, it's a sure sign of an abusive person. And yes, if in fact he is abusive and controlling, he sure as hell was able to put on the other front, shy, quiet, that's the MO of most people who abuse others. Like the husband who grabs his wife by the neck when confronted, the next day, she gets flowers, perfume. And this kid Joran learned this behavior from someone, my guess is his father. Take a good look at his mother in the interviews, she is protecting him, and her husband. Typical first sign of an abused person, to cover for the underdog. A abused person who has not delt with or got away from the abuse will most often respond to a rape with this response..... she should have not been dressed that way, she should have not answered the door, she should have not been alone at the mall, she must have done something to bring this on, even though she did not deserve it, something in her past must have had something to do with this. IT just makes me sick, all you but people out there.......Natalee did not ask to be missing, dead, raped. Deal with your own psycho problems, before you put it on her. Even if you were an honor student, doing drugs and screwing whoever you wanted, It still has nothing to do with her being missing.
Posted by: Cindi in PA | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:26 PM
Who is Lorenzo?
Weet Weet, that is just what I am saying. While Natalee is the Good Girl, is she that way from goodness or from anxiety? We don't know. She is capable, but perfectionism can be a coverup, unintentional. I'm not trying to stereotype her, just the opposite. Who is she really? And I'm not criticizing her.
Same questions with Joran. Is he a basically good kid who got stuck in a huge mess and is not responding to it with maturity? Obviously, at 17, that would be rare. Or is he a party animal first and foremost, despite that he was going on to further his education. Is he a party animal that would help out the Mafia? But the basic question was: Did he act like a party animal when around Natalee in public, and if so, why would she be attracted to him? That might show up some less than rosy causes for her driven, highly capable state. So there could be 1) the blessed and capable Natalee, or 2) the anxiety driven perfectionist Natalee. Who was it that was attracted to a party animal, or was he not behaving like that?
Posted by: kescah | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:32 PM
From what I understand from the Monkeys' blog and the article on this Alpharetta group, they are voice analysis people. There is some mention of ex-FBI personnel, as well. I do not believe these people will produce the results that the NH family is expecting. If the ex-FBI personnel were experienced overseas, then perhaps they will be able to uncover something. However, if these ex-FBI people are just that, former agents, then they will just add to those already milling about Aruba.
Posted by: harry | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:34 PM
The Mountain Brook students should be commended for acting with prudence as to what they say or have said to the public. The FBI seems content with what they have said.
Can you imagine what would happen if those boys and girls began to speculate aloud? Enough confusion abounds. I see their behavoir as mature and certainly not self-seeking.
Give the poor little girl who seems to have contradicted herself a break. On nation-wide TV discussing such an upsetting subject, who might not misspeak?
Here's to hope that the PIs will be instrumental in finding Natalee.
Posted by: bama mama | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:37 PM
USMC,
God bless your young daughter. Let this story teach her a thing or two about people. I also have twin daughters, they just turned 19 on Monday. Tough world we are bringing them up in, and sad to say, each event like this is a learning experience for them.
My thought is this, my girls went to a high school, 87 in their graduation class. They knew one another by site, by name, but that did not make them all close friends. For the most part, my daughters both played, softball, basketball and field hockey. They however had no desire to hang out with most of the people in school. If they were on such a trip, I would not expect anyone in the group to know what my daughters were thinking, or up too. Although, I would expect many of their class mates to be coming forward now, for the sake of the camera, claiming to be their best friends, which I would know to be bullshit.
USMC, Continue to be your daughters best friend, continue to talk to her about all these goings on, continue to be a very active part of her life.
Even if it calls for being the bitch sometimes.
One of my girls was on the homecoming court. I was very proud to say the least. Brie brought to my attention, the guy she was matched up with on the court was harrassing her. Needless to say, all hell broke loose, I contacted the school and the police officer in the school. Nobody could believe he was doing this. Four months later, when a special ed student was sent to the office for standing up to this clown, it was admitted this kid had the same problem with harrassment of other females all through high school. He was the super star on the football team, as it turns up, a year later, he flunked out of college and is working at Burger King.
I know who BHT is, I could very well be her, and my daughters could both be NH.
Keep up the good work all you parents out there, with something to protect. Not all of our honor students are sluts as some would like us to believe.
Posted by: Cindi in PA | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:40 PM
AkekoaHoAlethia:
I noticed in a previous post that you admitted that your child is grown and in fact has NEVER been missing! It's really deceptive for you to state otherwise. A more precise/accurate description is that your relationship is estranged and that your grown son/daughter doesn't want to have anything to do with you. Hmmm, maybe because you've manipulated this person the way you have some people on this blog by stating that you have a missing son/daughter.
Cut the CRAP!
Posted by: Katie | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:40 PM
bama mama
AMEN
Posted by: usmcmom | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:41 PM
Katie,
Learn how to read! Perhaps AkekoaHoAlethia, speaks around you.
Posted by: Cindi in PA | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:45 PM
If we are giving out commendations for performances under pressure, Joran van der Sloot should get an Oscar for his seven-week holdout in prison and being interrogated. And, he is only 17 years old! It is no wonder the Dutch Resistance was successful against the NAZI occupiers.
Posted by: harry | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:45 PM
cindi in pa:
i've been reading your posts..and still can't get a grasp of your twisted reasoning
(btw, am not defending 'the suspects' at all!!!just your plain reasoning...scares the **** out of me
Posted by: binbei | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:48 PM
Cindyin Pa,
Just a brief note of levity in time of tragedy. At Auburn this past fall, a new friend of my daughters' from Miami decided that she wanted to go off with some guy at a club they were at. After my daughter could not convince this girl of the stupidity of what she wanted to do, my daughter went up to this guy made him give her his DL, which she wrote down. Then my daugher proceeded to tell him her brother was a Marine, Quantic, sniper... and for him to have a good night.
Posted by: usmcmom | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:48 PM
Cindi, no, who she is has nothing to do with her being missing. Some criminal is the cause. I am just wondering why she would have left with him and wanting to know this person that we are all so concerned about, as well as the person sitting in jail. We are all putting a lot of energy, time, and feelings into this situation- so who are the people? That is my question.
Posted by: kescah | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:49 PM
bamamama
The simple fact that on the trip home, when the phone calls to cell phones were discovered, they all collectivly realized they should turn the phones off and hand them over........speaks volumes for thier characture and that of the adults in thier charge. This just soooooooo pisses me off that these kids are being called into question, when the FBI has already spoken to them, and if any doubt was there as a result, they would have been questioned more.
Posted by: Cindi in PA | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:49 PM
USMCMOM..Love it love that story!!!
Posted by: NewYawkGirl | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:58 PM
Cindi, no, who she is has nothing to do with her being missing. Some criminal is the cause. I am just wondering why she would have left with him and wanting to know this person that we are all so concerned about, as well as the person sitting in jail. We are all putting a lot of energy, time, and feelings into this situation- so who are the people? That is my question.
Posted by: kescah | July 20, 2005 03:49 PM
You are a self prescribed party person, doing lots of guys, if I understand you last post for what it was.
Have you EVER considered the fact that she did not leave under her own will? Are you that out of the single scene that you don't know just how much date rape drugs are used?
You brought doubt to thiS. Now tell me, just because you choose to screw half the assholes that came in your path, does that give us a reson to question, why you are missing?
Posted by: Cindi in PA | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 03:59 PM
"Air" Jordan will walk in Sept. and the family will be gone the next day. I hope like hell that this duct tape with hairs will incriminate someone. BHT and family don't deserve this - period.
Posted by: sol rosenberg | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:10 PM
USMC, great story! AND very wise on your daughters part. One of my girls were online one night, she got an instant message from someone claiming to be a fireman in the next town. He assumed from her profile she was at least 16, he then went on to say, If you are 16, that's old enough for sex. Brie responded, hey..........your a fire cop.....you must know my grandfather, he's a .......twp cop. She never heard a word from him again. I also went to the local fd, this clown claimed to be a part of. The chief there, happens to be a friend of mine, he laughed. What I told him was this, keep an eye on your guys, because If I have to do it, you will have more problems than you know what to do with. OF course I am all talk lol.
Posted by: Cindi in PA | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:10 PM
Cindi, you are lost. I have been happily, faithfully married for 28 years and play dominoes on the weekends with our friends. Yes, I am so out of the single scene that I don't know just how much date rape drugs are used. I am not missing- my children can come home and see me anytime they miss me, and that includes my anxiety driven perfectionistic daughter, who is married to a wonderful guy that helps her through her problems like a pro. Even my son, still at home, can find me to give him advice when he gets himself into trouble with his manic spells. I am just here trying to understand someone else's troubled or not troubled children. You are a little judgemental.
Posted by: kescah | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:11 PM
Logic, people. NH was a virgin, I have been told by one of her best friends who did NOT go on the trip. She has nothing to hide. In today's world, a girl has to make a decision to be 18 and still a virgin. We can be assured that it is not so that she can save herself to leave a nightclub for a gangrape. Beth's first clue about the 3 guys know more is becasue she knew her daughter very well. For those guys to come up with stories that they went out and had consensual sex with NH before dropping her off at her hotel is and was a huge red flag. Oh yeah, then they remembered that they didn't really ALL have sex with her, just Joran, and he politely left her on the beach like a broken raft. Is that customary in Aruban culture?
Posted by: tmag | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:12 PM
It's ironic that many choose to think they know enough about Joren vds and the two surinimese brothers to call them the most vile names, insinuating that they are rapists, drug dealers, and killers. Yet the same people are appalled by a few people who are questioning the veracity of the Mountain Brook teens, who chose to go on television to give useless interviews.
For me, I've never seen any of them seem to reveal the honest to God truth, but, I wasn't there, so, how would I know what happened? It's just in their body language, their evasiveness and some dispute over details given from one interview to the next, from one kid to the next, which causes me to doubt them.
I don't think they're bad kids. But, let's look at the Kalpoes and Joren.
Joren was an honor student, an athlete, who won a full scholarship, just like Natalee. He was said to be extremely popular, especially with girls, so, it's not like he was hard up for dates. Sure he partied and gambled, but, so were the Mountain Brook kids that night.
Deepak and Satish were also hard-working, popular, and Satish was headed for college. Judging from their mom, these boys were well brought up and from a loving home.
Why must it be assumed that we know that they slaughtered Natalee, when we don't know that for a fact. Obviously something tragic happened to her, which she was not responsible for, but, it may have been a tragic accident, overdose, or something else, not deliberate.
Yes, the Arubian boys are not justified in lying like they have, but, they may have been in fear, as the Alabama classmates were, who may know more than what they have told anyone. Personally, I have a strong feeling that it could be possible that they do know more from their behavior and interviews.
None of these teens were without any flaws, and it's not condemning anyone if that's the case. I find it absurd that some will crucify others offering opinions of their speculations, when they challenge a notion that only the Arubians are monsters. It's almost laughable.
I have great compassion for what Natalee's family is going through. I believe it would be nice if the Mountain Brook students would attempt some truth, to aid in this investigation, not cover themselves, believing they are protecting Natalee. Until the truth is known, this case will go cold. Unless there is forensic evidence which comes back to tie Joran and the Kalpoes to this crime, Natalee may never have justice, and her family may never have closure. I feel that there is a breach coming from Aruba, their LE, and also from those with her from Alabama. Truth is hard to come by and soon, this case will cycle out of the news since people are getting fed up with all the useless speculation, while both sides seem to be less than truthful.
Posted by: Craig-n-Florida | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:12 PM
craig, you have hit it on the nose.
Posted by: weet weet | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:15 PM
I knew some marines. I met a number of them at Great Lakes Naval Hospital. They were carting them by the plane-load fom Vietnam. From my best recollection, none of those boys were in much of a mood for fighting. I even got to watch one of them die on the elevator. He was a redheaded fellow from Illinois. I could tell he was young from his fresh crewcut. He was 17 years old. When I think of marines, I think of how they die. Marines take a lot of casualities. Marines get respect from the other services, not because they are tough, it is because they die is such large numbers. I have seen too many of those young boys die in the Marine uniform.
usmsmom, I pray your boy lives.
Posted by: harry | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:16 PM
You guys are way to sensitive. I have not heard anyone say anything terrible about these kids. All that has been said is that they SHOULD NOT hold back info that may make them look bad if it could help. Hello the truth is what we are seeking. Should not all parties hold to that? Calm down. When I compared the MBs and the Arubans I meant that they are all teenagers and teenagers can be pretty self-serving afterall.
Posted by: Rachel | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:16 PM
cindi, i can only assume you are mixing me and kescah up. if that is the case, i would suggest that maybe you have one of your children read to you what i initially wrote. i NEVER said i was a party person doing lots of guys. i said that i did on occasion drink. i did on occasion smoke pot. i did on occasion mess around with boys.
i still graduated HS as a virgin. i had one sexual partner for 6 years from the time i was 18 until our relationship ended when i was 24.
you seem to be on the defensive like i, or others, are saying that natalee wanted this. YES, i have considered that something could have happened against her will. i find it presumptuous that you assume that i know nothing about rape and date rape, et al. would you like to hear all about the second person i had sex with? i don't think you do, or you'd have nightmares. so don't be so presumptuous and don't be so judgemental.
maybe your children are angels and maybe they are not, but with the attitude you exhibit here, if they're not angels, they certainly aren't going to share anything with you.
Posted by: weet weet | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:23 PM
Rachel, i wasn't referring to your reasonable statement, but, further back, seeing some voices in the wilderness question the honesty of the Alabama students who seem evasive, or to change their stories.
I don't believe the MB teens are bad and all I would like is what you stated, their full honesty to help investigators, and to give the interested public some foundation to believe in this case. While many of us are sympathetic to the family, and care about Natalee, unfortunately, without honesty, and with hyperbole, hype, and hyper-condemnation of the Arubians, it's getting to be a drag watching the news. To be honest, I don't like anyone lying to me on television, or in person, whether they're arubian, Greta van Susteren, or otherwise sweet Alabama teens. It's just my level of toleration is now being saturated with b.s. and by next week, unless some truth is revealed, I believe myself, and others, will have tuned this case out. There will be no solution to this as long as there are liars.
Posted by: Craig-n-Florida | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:26 PM
can't you all leave the personal stuff and the bickering out of this and concentrate on discussing the case
Posted by: CC | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:28 PM
One of my sons is 17, graduates next year from high school. He has a full ride to Polytech in NYC. His choice, to fight as a Seabee. No I am not happy about it, I support this war. On the other hand, I HAVE to support my son, not because he is my kid, but because he stands up for what he believes is right. If he comes home without an arm, a leg, or in a coffin, like it or not, I raised him, I took him to church, I gave him choices. I did ask him why........I was sure it was just to kill someone......that is not the answer I got, he wants to make a difference, he believes everyone should have the freedoms he has. Quite an answer from a 17 year old. And if this war should take my son, I can rest assured, he did it on his own accord and beliefs.
Harry, thank you for serving. My best friends brother died in vietnam, as well as a neighbor. Even if you don't understand it, I am thankful.
Posted by: Cindi in PA | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:30 PM
Finaly a Voice Of Reason!! I hope her family did hire a prrivate investigator, because even if these guys are re-arrested and all charged, I am not sure the authorities will be so giving with information. The system in Aruba is very quiet you see: The Tourists Are Watching.
Posted by: Rachel | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:32 PM
With the major exception that they work directly for Natalee's family only. Which makes all the difference. I think I would have hired them on day 2, especially after seeing the 3 walk free for the first 10 days.
They may also need to throw some "reward" money around and possibly enlist some locals on their "team". Pretty tough determining which locals to trust.
icey
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However, if these ex-FBI people are just that, former agents, then they will just add to those already milling about Aruba.
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Posted by: icey | Wednesday, July 20, 2005 at 04:33 PM