Duct Tape Found

As reported at Scared Monkeys, Fox has reported that a piece of duct tape containing some number of shoulder length blond hairs was found by a Park Ranger in the area of Boca Tortuga. The area is on the eastern part of the island near where a recently unearthed shallow grave was recently found.

It appears the tape washed up from the sea after an unknown period of time in the water. It is not thought that will hinder DNA testing. It should take from one to two weeks for DNA results to be returned from Holland.

Developing.

Comments

[Mom2]

Texas Mom, there was another (psychic) post, but I can't find it now. If the duct tape does have Natalee's hair in it, it would be good if the tape had fingerprints or other DNA on it.

This case *should have* already been solved. This girl, Natalee, *should have* been found rather quickly on such a small island. It does make me wonder about how the Aruban authorities have *handled it*.

I pray for the Holloway family and all families missing loved ones.

[nicolle]

MTS,

I totally agree. This family has been through hell and back already, get the freakin hair and duct tape to the good old US of A. We know what we are doing here. Also, we of course are not involved in any type of cover up. As Americans we just want Natalee home, and to find out who is reponsible for her disappearance. That evidence should definitely be sent here as Natalee is a US citizen, and should be given the rights of having the evidence sent to her home country. We already know and have seen how they handle evidence and investigations in Aruba. I don't think we are that dumb to think that anything will be done appropriately now. Also, you are right that sending it here would take a much shorter time to evaluate, I am sure. Then again, they don't seem to care much about dragging this on and on for the family of Natalee
GET IT TOGETHER ARUBA!
and remember don't bite the hand that feeds you! It just might bite back!!

[gwb]

i agree MTS... 1-2 weeks is way too long especially when it only took a few days to confirm that the blood found on a matress on the beach belonged to an animal.... maybe someone can help explain how this is possible?

[Concerned]

Did park rangers find the duct tape while cleaning the area by the cave, or did an anomynous tipper turn in the new "evidence?

[Pulease]

Her role in all this is weird to me. Unless she's stupid, an alcoholic, deaf or blind, I have to believe she knows SOMETHING. She seemed awfully teary for someone who "knows this will all blow over" because her Joran is innocent.

Yeah...you are sooooo right.
He child is behind bars...her husband was taken in and behind bars....

What`s there to be teary eyed about...nothing right?

[kescah]

The problem with turning the duct tape over to the USA is that it could be Aruban hair, not US hair. Or from other past problems, albeit there aren't that many. They can't do that.

[Justice4All]

What do you suppose will happen to these 5, when this is all over, lets say there is no trial and they are released ? What will happen, I mean those people from Alabama , I hear can be outright mean....Is anyone thinking about that. I'd be afraid...Prison may be a safer place.

[SouthernBELLE]

Just to clarify... to anyone who read the earliest posts here. I did NOT mean DUCT TAPE the entire body, I meant in some sports *(I witnessed surfers in competition doing this), they do use duct tape to tape up certain areas, wrists, ankles, feet. I can't even believe some people took it to mean they wore duct tape instead of wet suits.. lmao

[TJ]

According to head of police Van der Straten also hairs have been sent to the FBI for DNA investigation, according this article by de Dutch Press Agency (ANP):

Mogelijk bewijsmateriaal in Holloway-zaak
18 juli 2005, 20:14:29

ORANJESTAD(ANP)- Een stuk plakband met blonde haren is mogelijk bewijsmateriaal in de zaak van de vermiste Amerikaanse tiener Natalee Holloway. Een wandelaar vond het stuk plakband afgelopen zaterdag op een Arubaans strand en heeft vervolgens de politie gebeld.

Dat zegt Jan van der Straten, leider van het politieonderzoek. ,,De haren zijn naar de FBI en naar het gerechtelijk laboratorium in Nederland gestuurd voor nader onderzoek. We verwachten aan het eind van deze week resultaat'', zei Van der Straten.

Holloway is sinds 30 mei vermist. Het Openbaar Ministerie verdenkt de 17-jarige Joran van der S. en de Surinaamse broers Satish (17) en Deepak (21) K. van betrokkenheid bij haar verdwijning, omdat zij, voor zover bekend, de laatste personen zijn met wie ze contact had.

Van der S. is de enige die nog in voorlopige hechtenis zit, omdat hij zeer recent zijn verklaring wijzigde over zijn laatste ontmoeting met Holloway.

[Seer]

"Seer- that is freaky and quite disturbing. Quite in depth also- maybe the investigation should turn towards interrogating you and your assumed plethora of information?"

Other than reassurance about a continuing existence despite human death and being free of pain, then I do not feel that there is a plethora of information. Such important information (to us) is missing.

Namely, if she is dead, then how, when, by whom? But those answers do not seem as important to this entity (?). The focus is one of accepting responsibility for making poor judgments, and being sorry for the pain that this causes loved ones.

Look, I'm NOT a pschic, tarot reader or anything like that. And I definitely don't decipher "white noise." NO THANK YOU - I DON'T WANT THAT SORT OF CONTACT.

sO MY POST ISN'T TOO LONG, i'LL STOP HERE AND POST AGAIN.

[Concerned]

Duh!? i found the answer above in Dan's blog. I'm losing it.

[linda]

I feel that the duct tape was planted to maybe give that proof they need for a crime being done.
That way the authorities will keep the search hotter. Could the Holloways friends planted it? Maybe.

[Justice4All]

Well duct tape was found at another part of the beach, not too far from the bloody mattress with animal blood, three condoms, and a pair of panties. Go figure.

[ritsal]

Those "people" from Alabama? What you think this is "Deliverance?"

[Mike 1]

Linda, duct tape doesn't give proof that a crime has been committed. Unless toxicology test on that hair reveal GHB or some other non-recreational drug, the tape in itself is nothing damning. Now, does anyone know if toxicology tests can be done on a hair?

[outraged]

I won't at all be surprised if the DNA results are positive. Did it wash up from the storm, or was it conveniently placed there.

I always supported the kidnapping theory. Didn't know about the elder VDS when the kidnapping theory was suggested to him (i.e, the voice detector test).

First the grave, then the hair. IT just seems somoene is trying to paint a false picture of NH's fate. The tips, etc. If the results are postive, and you don't buy the kidnapping theory, there isn't much speculation as to what happened.

On the other hand if she was kidnapped, they obviously want to distort truths and difuse the attention because they have no intention of returning her.

[Mike 1]

southern belle is into duct tape

[Justice4All]

Deliverance was in Georgia, not Alabama

[linda]

I didn't mean just duct tape. I was ref. to "the" piece of duct tape. Was it maybe planted? With The Texas team going home things could slow considerably. If I were looking for my child in this situation I could come up with a lot of ideas.

[linda]

Mike A strand of hair can be tested for any chemical that has been in the blood stream. It can even show how long ago the person ingested it.

[linda]

thanks justice4all I was going to let that one go. Figured Deliverance didn't much match this case.

[outraged]

Didn't know the Texas team was leaving. Must be convinced she's not on the island or his resources have been exhausted. ANyone know?

About a week ago, I heard him (Miller) say he wasn't leaving until NH was found. As he put it, I'm angry and more determined then ever.

Now he's on a plane to the states?

[Mike 1]

Linda - even if it was ingested shortly before death? Would it be represented in hair growth?

[Seer]

I can't even spell psychic. Geez.

When I am close to someone or to a situation, then I often "see" and "hear" things connected to the situation. It's not something that I seek out or even enjoy, but if someone I loved were in trouble, then I'm sure that I would consciously sit down, pray (I'm a Christian), and "try."

I've followed this case closely and do have a deep feeling for this family. But, so do a LOT of people. My first awareness of Natalee came when I was going through the motions of kitchen work and was puzzling over this whole thing. I have leaned more toward kidnapping and trade or sell than in any other direction and I still hope that Natalee is alive and will one day return home.

But the presence that I sensed that day was very definite in conveying death in the human sense. She also stated that she tried ecstasy and that that helped cause her death. I also sensed coercion, abuse, and arguing. I pulled back from that and just didn't want to hear anymore.

Since then when I listen to a favorite contemporary Christian cd, two songs in particular, I have sensed her.

Why me? When I asked, I sensed that it's because I can hear her, that they are directed to people who can sense them and the communication is better if they are in harmony with one another. I'm white, female, southern, Christian, and have my own beautiful daughter who is wearing a Hope for Natalee bracelet. I've also travelled abroad and even as a Christian youth, I did my share of partying. I understand how Christian youth can rationalize the risks they take and still remain faithful.

The sense of the one who has attempted to communicate with me is someone who is very mature, very cognizant of their responsibilities, very forgiving, and of a deep faith.

[outraged]

If the DNA can produce results as Linda suggests, someone may have planted this to send this investigation into a tail spin.

Don't be surprised what comes from this..

[Justice4All]

What about people who've had visions that Nataleew was drugged, gang raped, and murdered, who has the direct line to Natalee?
Do you hear voices too? Do you have any children?

[AVA]

It has been verified to Scared Monkeys by Julia Renfro, Editor & Chief of Aruba Today via email:

Yes, the park rangers were doing a routine clean up of the area today and found duct tape with long shoulder length blond hairs in it in a cave. We have confirmed that this area had previously been searched by the Aruba Search and Rescue team, so the thought is that it was either missed on the original search or recently placed there. The Aruban police took the articles and will have the hair analyzed in Holland and compared to the DNA previously provided by Beth Twitty and Dave Holloway.

I had read or heard that Equasearch was also involved and that there was a 'tip' involved. Can anyone confirm or say 'nay' to this?, as I cannot re-locate where I found this about a tip. I am doing too much web searches on this and it is making me feel 'loopy'!

Thanks

AVA

[TJ]

According to Van der Straten (to the Dutch Press Agency) was the tape found by someone walking by on last saturday. The hairs are sent to the FBI and a Dutch laboratory. The result will come at the end of the week.)

[Concerned]

Seer~
You are blessed with a very special gift. It is an awesome responsibility as well. Ihave always feared "psychics" but I have opened my mind to their probability once I lost loved ones and had some of the "feelings" you have described. For the first time, I went to a psychic this past spring. She was truly intuitive and blessed with a special ability. She, as many spiritualists are, a religious woman who practices her faith fervently.

[linda]

Mike Honestly I can not answer you with full confidence about that.

My knowledge of that comes from our family adoping a child from a mother that did drugs. When they took the child they pulled a hair folical and told us every drug she had used and how long ago it had been.
I could ask . I have a child in law enforcement that will know.

[linda]

About the Texas team going home. I saw a news report last evening and Tim was being shown from
Houston (I believe) and was saying he will definitely return to Aruba. He said his team had searched within 100ft.(If I remember the distance right) from where this tape was found.

Time of this post is 3:37pm not 8:37 as I am seeing on my preview screen.

[Seer]

"What about people who've had visions that Nataleew was drugged, gang raped, and murdered, who has the direct line to Natalee?
Do you hear voices too? Do you have any children?"
Posted by: Justice4All | July 18, 2005 04:11 PM

No voices. Yes, a daughter who looks like a pre-teen Natalee. I got up to check on her in the middle of the night, so I am thinking that after sharing this post, from the day in the kitchen, I have to back away some. I don't know what to make of the duct tape. A plant? Maybe - but not by the Holloways,IMO.

The person claiming to be N said that her body was "ultimately" disposed of in the ocean and this is why her parents may not find the closure they're seeking.

She also said that she could "accept" that J does not want to go to prison and that she has "accepted" that his father does not want him to go to prison. Her distress was for her parents not being able to get answers and peace.

She was not vengeful. I did see a few other things. Everything was whizzing by and fragmented, dizzy and disoriented. There were other people, it seemed like a party. Then I sensed her "allowing" J to have intercourse with her, and she was feeling really good,then really bad. I saw a picture of one person going into where she was lying in the dark and having sex with her while she was semi-conscious. He was supposed to be checking on her. Then the third person went in and did the same. One of these brothers likes anal sex. J argued with the eldest person saying that he had not wanted them to hurt her. He was angry. The eldest person said things like "What are you talking about man? She ain't going to tell nobody. She don't want her friends knowing what she did tonight!" They were in each other's faces and J was physically stronger but this person has the upper hand in their relationship, so he eventually calmed down and listened.

After those pictures I heard "That's when I realized that they were going to let me die." And then nothing.

I pray that I am wrong. May God bless you Natalee.

[Seer]

"Seer~
You are blessed with a very special gift. It is an awesome responsibility as well. Ihave always feared "psychics" but I have opened my mind to their probability once I lost loved ones and had some of the "feelings" you have described. For the first time, I went to a psychic this past spring. She was truly intuitive and blessed with a special ability. She, as many spiritualists are, a religious woman who practices her faith fervently."

Posted by: Concerned | July 18, 2005 04:25 PM

Thank you. It has not always felt like a gift and I do not with to "cultivate" it. I have passed these experiences along solely b/c I feel that there is even one little piece in there somewhere that could help N'S family, then I don't want to be responsible for receiving it and keeping silent.

I PRAY THAT I AM WRONG AND THAT NH WILL RETURN SAFE AND SOUND.

[AJ]

I wouldlike to know what is the US government doing for its US citizen/?.. They should have demanded one strand of hair for a second analysis!..there is corruption in the usa labs,,,,NEVERMIND where they ,might be paid to protect the island rep !.. Her mother should have one strand...period.........!!!!!!!!!!
!

[Seer]

"The eldest person said things like "What are you talking about man? She ain't going to tell nobody. She don't want her friends knowing what she did tonight!" They were in each other's faces and J was physically stronger but this person has the upper hand in their relationship, so he eventually calmed down and listened.

After those pictures I heard "That's when I realized that they were going to let me die." And then nothing."

Some time elapsed between the arguing, the calming down, and the realization of being abandoned. It seemed as though they left to go somewhere for advice.

[AJ]

MIKE 1:
duct tape in itself is not the issue..its the HAIR that is stuck to it...if its natalies hair-- do you think she willingly let them duct tape her mouth?...even if it didnt show any drugs in the hair..the fact that if it is nats hair ITS more than enough to figure out the rest!

[Concerned]

Keep with Natalee, Seer.
Do not let others ridicule or belittle you!
Be true to yourself; you are who you are :-)

[TexasMom]

Okay Seer, much as I hate to admit it, I think you're probably right, and the "older person" was either Deepak or Lorenzo. Is there a possibility she was in such a commatose state, they just thought she was dead, or that she choked to death when her body tried to purge itself?

I tend to be very skeptical of psychics, until they give the kind of detail you're relating. Hey, I've felt the sting ridicule also. Like the kid said in the movie, sometimes "I see dead people" or at least feel them. The trait has been evident in my mother's side of the family for several generations, and seems to be passed to at least one female in each generation. It can be a real burden, as well as a blessing. You have my admiration, as well as my sypathy.

Like Concerned said, stay with Natalee, keep your chin up, and your third eye open! ;)

[Snoopy]

This smells like planted evidence to steer away from an actual kidnapping. Hair and duct tape and the empty grave. Sounds very fishy to me.

[Concerned]

Interesting posts by psychic:

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2005/07/duct_tape_found.html

[Concerned]

Oops! Wrong place-- I do not havemy glasses :-(

[Concerned]

Sorry guys, I am home now. i was visiting a neighbor and forgot my glasses. What a goober!

[fokje]

I read in Elsevier (dutch newspaper) that via an anonymous tip a park ranger found the duck tape with hairs.
well, if this is indeed hair of Natalee and what the newspaper wrote is true, then it must be a set up.

btw, I read in here it should take approximately two weeks for the DNA testing result. I read in the newspaper one or two days.

Anyway we'll see. But it's getting bizar now.

[Ellen]

My comment is directed at those of you who are so quick to discredit the significance of the finding of this piece of duct tape. First, it's highly significant in that it provides clues as to where she might have disappeared. Perhaps, the boys weren't telling the truth after all? Second, it may have kept this case from going cold. Look at how many people have posted since learning of this new development. Third, it may pang the conscience of those who do know something. Fourth, don't you find it interesting that these are anonymous tips? --- Hmmmmm.... maybe someone's trying to point fingers without anyone knowing who they are? Finally, it gives the interrogators a great deal of confidence; whereas, before it might have being slowly deteriorating after recent bad news to the prosecution's side (the Kalpoe brothers getting out.) So for you who know it won't be Natalee's hair --- big deal if it isn't --- at least someone got their arse out to look in that area. Eh? As for most of you "psychics" - good luck, go hit the casinos --- I'm sure your odds are terrific.

Have a nice day everyone. Ellen

[Jojo]

The evidence looks like it's a plant. Someone wanting to see the fruits of their labor on TV.
Wonder if the sand in that grave has been tested? Now I hear the duct tape is being sent to Holland for DNA testing. Good question was brought up a few nights ago (I wondered the same thing):

How is that some evidence has to go to Holland to be tested yet, the blood on that 'bloody mattress' was determined to be that of a dog without being sent to Holland?

[Vulcan]

Here's my question. Considering how secretive this investigation has been, & how the release of evidence supposedly wreaks their case, why would they be releasing such info. as discovery of duct tape if it is truly pertinent?

[Jojo]

Mike,
Yes. Toxicology testing can be done on hair fibers. Most drug labs use hair strands for pre-employment drug testing these days (in-obtrusive); I'm not sure the technology is meant for hair that's been under (ocean) water.

[harp]

Lee wrote:those students should have never left the island period...without questioning by one of OUR officials...
you don't just let potential witnesses go off and banter among themselves for WEEKS about what they saw or heard or what they didn't see or hear.....
very good question lee
About the investigation:
Why did the students left the island without a OFFICIAL interogation?(being interogated by de FBI is not official since the crime committed, if any, was in Aruba and only questioning of Arubian authories is official. FBI can assist but nothing more.
Why is Twitty staying in the room Natalee stayed?)This must have been seached and nobody would be allow to enter till the case is closed.
Why do Twitty have the luggage of Natalee? This must have been seached and nobody would be allow to touch them, but the police.
Why were the family holoway not question from the beginning?
Why did they wait the 8 day (NOT 10 because you have to take off 2 day because there is a law that a missing adult person can be trace back by police only after 48 hours of disappearance and also AFTER a official statement has to be done at the police office before the 48 can go in effect)
My question is when did the holoway did that official statement?
Could it have been have 8 days? ( in that case the police officially have to wait 48 hours from then to begin official seaching)
And if the Holoway did wait till then to make the statement of a missing person then the police is not to blame for the delay, what could have happened because they just don’t know the Dutch law.
Twitty going after information be the police did could also obstruct the investigation.

About the poster the Holoways made:
Why is the poster stated Kidnapped?
No one knew back then if she was kidnapped, or not?
Why is the date on the poster the family holoway made wrong?
Why did Twitty state in an interview with a Dutch reporter that there was call made to 911 (yes in the US) that her daughter was kidnapped, and not to the American media? I have the link if any one interested, let me know.
Why is the poster saying of causacian origin?

Other questions:
Why is every body speaking of the girl? (She is/was 18 come on she is/was a grown up women)
Why while speaking of J. v/d S. everybody say the men? He is 17, still underage
Why the Netherlands is paying for 2 F16 to search for a woman, while the whole time there is a person gone missing? (come on this is not a cheap joke, it is a 10 hour fight on every regular plane from the Netherlands to Aruba)
Why is the media so interested in one missing women, every day there is a person kidnapped. And the story goes on even when there was a big news in London. Why??
Why do the Holoway ask for $200,000.- from the government of Aruba for the Equusearch since they are a non/profit organization and they family cost of living is fully paid over there in Aruba?

Come on people don’t you see it, there is more to this story then they are reporting.

[cricket]

Dr. Michael Baden (forensic guy) said on TV that it would take a couple of hours after ingestion for drugs to show up in the ROOT of a hair. It won't show up in the hair itself until sometime after that. We don't know if the hairs that were found include the root.

NOTE: It was just announced on CNN thay the FBI is going to do their own testing on the hair (in addition to the Arubans doing their testing.)

Maybe they split the hairs!

[Concerned]

Ellen~
Psychics do not necessarily predict. You are thinking of the "voo doo" definition. There are people who are gifted with the ability to be approached by those who have passed on. The souls wish to communicate that they are okay and not to worry; they are in a good place. Talk to those who work with the dying and their families. Consult Elizabeth Kubler-Ross research. It has been accounted in many different cultures, religions and places and time periods.