Aruban Media Faults FBI: Calls Americans "Suspects"

Caribseek Aruba News | Stepfather threatens to release more information, Father refuses to cooperate with investigators - A.M. Digital.

Over the week-end local authorities decided to start “talking” to some members of the family and amongst others decided to talk to Natalee’s father. He became very furious about this and at certain moment decided to leave the table and abandon the police precinct. He did not agree with the form in which he was “attacked”. As such the father refused to cooperate in answering questions that were put to him by the investigating team.

In the meantime we could hear and see on CNN how the step father, mr. Twitty, threatened to disclose damaging information if one or more of the suspects is released. He did not wish to say anything else but we can see here that this person has started to threaten the Aruba authorities and question the country’s judicial system. This is not acceptable.

For what the suspects in the USA are concerned – we cannot qualify them otherwise – we think the FBI has work to do to find out if they really wish to cooperate to bring this case to an end. By the way, on the FBI website Natalee Holloway does not appear as a missing person.

Comments

[HoytUsa]

http://michaelcrooktalks.com/node/318 Has anybody read this guys articles? I hate to bring negativity into this forum, but it makes me furious that there are these people out there.

[LornaD]

Annie
The report did not say the fishermen saw a Jeep on the beach that night. It said they saw a white Suzuki. The reporter said a white Suzuki was one of the cars taken from the vd Sloot's, to be searched.

Did anyone else see the other CNN report with interviews with Tim Miller and Gene Ralston? Miller says he thinks they are very close to finding Natalee and they will going to Alabama for a funeral. I was astounded to hear him say that; it is not his usual manner.

There was some mention of a psychic helping them, pinpointing specific spots. There was some dialogue with Ralston as well. Apparently the place they are looking is a dangerous area of the ocean that divers avoid and few boats enter. This may be the reason Miller said something a few days ago about the divers being in a very dangerous place. I must say I am very surprised to hear Tim Miller and Ralston are working with a psychic.

[Sceptic]

Perhaps Bush should consider an invasion of Aruba.
It's about time that they are thought some old-fashioned American values. So Joran, watch out that they don't sent Lynndie England to teach you some lessons. I bet if there was oil, Bush would already have taken the decision.

[Max]

I get it now. It all makes sense. Natalee's father arranged for her to meet JVDS, leave the bar with him, get taken who knows where by him and his accomplices, and then disappear. Of course, he did all this while in the U.S. Also, JVDS hasn't mentioned any of this because he's willing to take the fall for Dave Holloway. Makes perfect sense.

[Billy Bob]

LoranD: The lawyer for one of the Kalpo brothers said the 2 fisherman said they saw a jeep like vehicle in the general area in question, but a little further away. The lawyer should know because he read the statements. The reporter was wrong (not unusual these days) when he cited the white Suzuki. Also, the VDS vehicles taken by the investigation were a red jeep and a blue Suzuiki.

[fokje]

I really don't understand what Natalees father is upsett about? I couldn't care less if my family was asked for information about the missing person if it was my daughter.
Has the family something to hide?

[pogo4224]

Dave was on our local news last night here in Meridian. It was a very brief news interview. We pray for the closure and a return of Natalee. I am a teacher of Natalee's stepsister. My heart breaks for the entire family.

[Moggy]

Everyone saying the father has something to hide is making me sick!!

Do you think YOU if you were her Dad wouldnt freak out and walk out if a bunch of yo-yo investigators who have totally screwed up the investigation start pointing the finger at YOU?? Thats like the last straw!! Next they will be pointing the finger at Natalee's mom!!

[MiniMe]

GOOD POST !!

It is obvious that Beth Twitty, Jug Twitty
and Dave Twitty are stepping
on toes of corruption in Aruba. Naturally
the Arubans want the entire family and the press to leave. So now they have started the intimidation process. Intimidate the victims family so that they will leave.

I say Beth you go girl! Give em all you got...
They don't really care about Natalee down there
they only care about themselves. IF they cared about Natalee...the protests in front of the courthouse would not be against the press nor Natalee's family but a DEMAND THAT THEIR GOVERNMENT FIND NATALEE IMMEDIATELY,
All of those Arubans demonstrating in front of the courthouse should have been protesting the
release of the Kalpoe brothers...

As I have said before...the way too hold the Aruban Govt. accountable is through their pocket books..

I think we need to start bombarding American business located on the Island with letters...
I am going to email Dee Fine about this..

By the way Alabama is one of the best places on earth to live and I am proud to be an Alabamian
and would not trade 50 Aruba's for one Alabama!
God Bless Alabama and God Bless the USA

Posted by: The truth | July 6, 2005 04:06 AM

[fokje]

Moggy: How so, "pointing a finger at you?" What has asking questions to the family to do with accusing someone?

[lesmes]

"NO BODY, NO CASE EVEN IN THE UNITED STATES"
NH's stepfather must tell what he knows and stop threatening the Aruban Gov., Whatever, he has to said wont jeopardize the investigation anyway. So, stop whispering and just speak out loud, Natalee has nothing too loose.........

[TeenTraveler]

I will not go to Aruba. They don't have any right to be asking Americans questions. We are the ones with the money and we should spend it in the places where the people are appreciative and humble.

[pogo4224]

He said that friends and family of Joran's will be able to visit and collaborate stories. He further said the time they spent out of jail from the beginning gave his dad plenty of coaching time. He firmly believes the VDS's are responsible.

[lesmes]

I will not go to Aruba. They don't have any right to be asking Americans questions. We are the ones with the money and we should spend it in the places where the people are appreciative and humble.
hey teen, you americans are not the only ones that have money to spend in Aruba, we got the rusians, chinese, and europeans that want to come here to spend money, so keep your mouth shut

[Moggy]

fokje - obviously the line of questioning was enough to border on that sort of suggestion...otherwise he would not get upset and feel 'attacked'. You can kind of figure that out from the context of the story.

[AP]

Not that American newspapers are in any way exemplary, but all this fuss over an article in AM Aruba? This particular publication is better known for what it doesn't say, as is well demonstrated in the very article under consideration. The article contends that "The three suspects maintain their declaration..." without bothering to note that their story has changed two or more times. No, AM Aruba should not be mistaken for a thoughtful journalistic endeavor.

Within a few days of Natalee's disappearance, AM Digital published an article on page one about some American who was picked up for possessing a gun. A remarkable deflection of the Natalee Holloway story if I ever saw one, and a subtle indication of anti-American sentiment that's never really far from the surface there.

As for a potential loss of tourism dollars resulting from such subterfuge, I am reminded of a line from the classic film "The Magnificent Seven", wherein the head bandit exclaims, "If God did not intend for them to be sheared, he would not have made them sheep!"

[Tsunder]

LesmeS- Oh so it was cool to investigate all the classmates of Joran? and his dad and mom? but not cool when they questioned the NH dad? I'm disgusted by you..

Pardon my English.. :-)

[Lawrence Lagman]

Dan,

I’ve been following this from the start, and some questions have occurred to me, that I think should be answered.

1. Where did Joran get money to gamble in the casinos?

2. Does he or did he have a gambling debt?

3. In or around the casino are there sources for drugs?

4. IS there a drug problem on the Island? If there is why haven’t the Aruban government and Police taken a more active role in stopping it?

5. Does the DEA, CIA, FBI or the State Department have any information about Drug importation through Aruba?

6. I have read a number of articles about Human Trafficking in countries in that region mixed in with the drug trafficking and money laundering. What is the relative danger to tourists and visitors to that country?

7. What is the source of Joran’s or the Van Sloots income/money? Is it all from his work with the legal system?

These are questions that I have.

As for the Aruban demonstration yesterday, Dan, I agree with you. These folks need to realize, Beth Holloway Twitty and her family have been and will continue to be under a lot of stress until this case is resolved. This case is further complicated by the differences in the legal system and language.

If demonstrations were to continue against aggressive reporting and attempts to get resolution in the case then maybe the State Department needs to consider issuing a travel advisory as to the safety to US citizens considering visiting Aruba?

I remember that a gang Florida, a couple of years ago, was targeting German visitors to that state and PRESSURE was put on the US government AND the State of Florida to solve the crimes. I think Florida was listed on a German travel advisory until this was resolved. A little economic pressure could help.

As for the Auban Police trying to point fingers at the FBI, I think the Aurban police should accept the blame or lack of success in this case. It does not inspire confidence in them.

Lawrence Lagman

[Spike]

Just an absurd article and statement, if true, but the Aruban "authorities".

Sure... there we people on the island who knew Natalee Holloway. Her classmates, and the chaperones. But the persons of interest are always the last with her. This kid VDS is that person.

I think they should be looking into the bartender, the person who could've easiest slipped the date rape drug into her drink. Since the bar had closed, he could've been the real perp. The VDS kid might've been in on it, but that scenario would make the Kalpoe's unwitting accomplices.

One can only speculate on what has been learned. If the Holloway's are angry, it's probably because they're being told very little. FWIW, I doubt US cops would tell much either. Generally, you keep the intel close to the vest in order to not fall prey to the "tried in the media" charges, or tipping the hand for anyone else you might be pursuing.

[mona]

Hey Wake Up People!!! Natalee never went to the Marriot beach....sheesh The kalpoes took her to jorans cooler than cool bachelor pad where Joran and his Daddy taught her a thing or two about S&M.. Send the equusearch team to the VDS home....Organized crime is a beautiful thing when everyone does their part

Come home Beth

[Coralee]

Just read on a Holland news update that PVS was in Holland from April 2004 to April 2005...

studying to be a judge.

Was he back and forth a lot to Aruba during this time? Was AVS home alone with the children during this length of time?

[mrs. MojoRisin']

Aaah.... Moscow girl reveals the true depth of her jealousy and bitterness... and it is pathological.

Btw...I don't think I'd speak of American illiteracy if I were you MissSmartyPants
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BBC // 01:02, 02/06/2005
Russian children and teenagers are less healthy today than at any stage since World War II, the country's interior minister has said.

Homelessness, drugs, alcoholism and illiteracy among young Russians, threaten future development, Rashid Nurgaliyev told a Moscow conference.

Russia's improving economy is having little impact on unhealthy lifestyles and an epidemic of ill-health, he said.

Some 700,000 children are orphaned or homeless, and 4m use drugs, he added.

As high as these figures already sound, Mr Nurgaliyev said they represent just the tip of an iceberg, with the real numbers likely to be much higher.

Even more seriously, those who had become addicted were starting to use hard drugs at an ever-younger age.

Damaged country

In turn, health officials say the large number of injecting drug users is helping fuel one of the world's fastest growing rates of HIV infection.

Mr Nurgaliyev said social problems were effecting not just young people's health, but also their education.

He suggested that around two million Russian teenagers are unable to read and write - in a country that, during the Soviet years, prided itself on almost 100% literacy.

In sum, Mr Nurgaliyev said, the condition of Russian children and teenagers is comparable with that after the bloody civil war of the 1920s or World War II, when much of the country lay in ruins.

This reflects just how deep - and often, how damaging - the impact of the transformations in Russia over the last two decades has been. The minister acknowledged that the state could do little on its own to improve the situation, and called on officials to work much more closely with human rights organisations and other public bodies.
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Americans shed blood for democracy to gain all the benefits of a free thinking society; corrupt Russian mobsters cram it down your throats victimizing the weak in your society in pursuit of wealth and power.

So all we have to say to you Moscowgirl is ....

.....WHATever.

[Carla]

Hi everyone...I just read Moscow girl's post, and my goodness....I can't believe that people actually hate America that much. I mean I thought these blogs were to reference Natalee Holloway, but some people are making it into "express your hate for America" blogs. I'd like to say that I wasn't born in America, but I do live in America and i couldn't be happier. I hope that the holloway/twitty family finds Natalee and returns home soon.

[andy]

We need to find a list of american corporations whom have incorporated on Aruba; and ask them to hop over to Curaco or another tax haven besides Aruba. We surely don't want to continue to do business with these bandits.

[mrs. MojoRisin']

Amen Carla. America exists for people like you and I.

Moscowgirl has issues, and at the core of her problem is jealousy & conflict....
that is....'she hates us cuz she ain't us'. (Pardon my use of improper English.)

[vcsiii50]

Moscow Girl
You're joking, right?
It's infuriating, and not at all helpful.
I think you are a total fake.

[bamawings]

If the authorities are questioning the family about her disppearance, that truly reflects that this investigation has gone nowhere. Have they started questioning the aliens that might have picked her up. That is as logical an explanation as the possibility that her family had something to do with this. If this had occurred at home, that might be a valid question. It is ridiculous to think that they would have gotten on a plane and flown to Aruba and then done something there- moreover, how would they have known to look for her on the beach. I would put the same question to those who suggest that someone from Mt. Brook did this. Yes, it is possible that Joran left her on the beach and a spaceship from a distance planet beamed her up. We cannot prove that this did not happen. On the other hand, it is much more likely that this boy did something with her.
It appears to me that there are really only a few likely possibilities:
1. They never went to the beach and this happened at Joran's house-but then the Kalpoe boys are lying still. Then they either disposed of the body or calld someone to do so.
2. They went to the beach and something happend which most likely would result in a finger being pointed at Joran so he called his father and they either disposed of the body or had someone else do it.
3. He left her on the beach and some other bad person happened along and got her-but where is her body and why did they go to so much trouble to hide the body since no one has any idea who this person would be. What are the chances of that happeneing? This would mean that some other bad person was out there between the hours of 2 and daylight,found her and took her somewhere. If this is the case, then Aruba is not that safe.
4. Joran sold her into white slavery. Unless he had this pre-planned, this does not seem that likely although it is a possibility if he had gambling debts. In this case, he knows what happened but just will not tell. One would think that there would have to be phone calls to let the other participants know what time to pick her up, etc. This just does not seem very likely.
5. She disppeared on her own. There is nothing to indicate that she would have done this and she left everything she would have needed in her room. If so, it looks like she would have been found on the island.
6. she drown-but if so, then her body should have washed to shore. How likely is it that she would have gone swimming. If she did and disappeared, why did Joran not call the police.

I guess without a body, there are any number of remote possibilities. However, you cannot escape one fact. Why did Joran lie? If he was innocent, then he should have just told the truth. That is the problem with his story. He was the last person to see as far as we know nd he has made up a story to cover his tracks. Perhaps he would have been better served had his father advised him to tell the truth-that is unless the truth will implicate him.
I can understand the utter frustration that the family is feeling with the lack of progress and now they start questioning them. Frankly, I wish Jug would reveal what they have learned but are not supposed to reveal, this investigation is going nowhere. The boy was allowed too much time to cover his tracks. Beth Twitty is beginning to appear to be on the edge. I think that after the end of the equisearch, she may just need to face reality and come home. Not sure how much more she can take. In the last few news conferences, she has appeared very fragile.

If the Arubans don't like the press, perhaps there process should be more open-more might be accomplished in the investigation-could lead to more information.

[Reader]

So..the fishermen claim to have seen something...and rather than haul them in for questioning, Aruban LE wants to haul in the family? Can this get any more nutty? Time to bring in Scooby Doo -- even in CGI form, he can solve the case better than Aruban LE.

[mrs. MojoRisin']

Andy -

It is a shame how many American dollars are invested in infrastructure in Aruba and how few Dutch dollars are invested in even the most basic of Arubian society needs like higher education.

Perhaps if The Netherlands would spend a few bucks building a real community college, the kids of Aruba would have something better to do than to hang around casinos.

As it stands now, the gig in that region of the world is to immigrate to Aruba, gain Dutch citizenship, move to The Netherlands and go on Dutch welfare which is extremely generous. No wonder, The Netherlands is passing laws to curtail immigration from The Netherland Antilles and Aruba.

[PackerFanGirl]

This thought occurred to me for the first time this a.m. Let's say miraculously and against all odds, JVS alone or with others is charged with murder and tried. First off, does the Aruban justice(???) system use a jury or does a judge decide at the end of the trial whether the defendants are guilty or innocent? Does anyone know? My point is think about that, do you trust either to find him guilty even if they had ample evidence? I guess we never think that far ahead because from all appearances, we have no reason to believe they will ever charge, try, much less convict anyone. Any thoughts on this or knowledge of Aruban "trials"?

[Justice4All]

Okay, this is typical, let's blame the victim and accuse a family that was not even on the island at the time. Jug and Beth, I think you should let her rip with the info you have, it can't hinder an investigation that is non-existant. Beth, Jug, Dave, and the entire Holloway family, you have America and the world are behind you. Give Natalee to her family NOW
and let the truth be told.

[Justice4All]

Okay, this is typical, let's blame the victim and accuse a family that was not even on the island at the time. Jug and Beth, I think you should let her rip with the info you have, it can't hinder an investigation that is non-existant. Beth, Jug, Dave, and the entire Holloway family, you have America and the world are behind you. Give Natalee to her family NOW
and let the truth be told.

[Debra - Boston, MA]

Unfortunately Americans are TOO SELF-CENTERED to get behind the family and stay out of Aruba. But you'll never see that with selfish Americans, never!

[grimer11]

ARUBA IS FILLED WITH DANGEROUS, LYING GARBAGE.

[cita]

And to think of all the money I have sent to Russia to help the little Russian children escape their desolate, poverty-stricken, hopeless little lives...were you a benefactor of that money, Moscow Girl? If so, I want a refund!! Don't you have other things to worry about in the USSR, like economic disaster and Putin sending your country headfirst into WWIII? By the way, I know that illiteracy is rampant in your country, but the correct spelling is America, not Amerika. www.dictionary.com. Use it.

Posted by: BamaMom | July 6, 2005 02:14 AM

BAMAMOM- get another purpose in life... You're calling other people lowlifes?! Funny to hear you saying something about being low. You could buy food for a year for Arubans for a year with your pocketchange? You don't sound like a well educated person, where did you get the money from? You're apparantly proud of your own stupidiness, you're a frikking joke. The Russian hopeless little lives.. I truly feel sorry for those kids who cant do anything but accept their fate.. BUT I FEEL MORE SORRY FOR YOUR CHILDREN, WHO ARE BEING RAISED BY A MONSTER OF A MOM. Maybe the best thing is to laugh at people like you, but for some reason it makes me so sad inside. Nothing you will ever say will ever have any value for me, since you have shown you're stupid, shallow mind.. pathetic little woman.

[abby]

Hi,
I think that in trying to question the Holloway family members, they probably did not accuse them of a crime. Their line of questioning probably focused on attacking Natalee's character, such as asking "Did she run away?" I think that at this point, we can probably see that Natalee Holloway did not disappear on her own accord. But, having no leads, the Aruban authorities might be led to asking her family questions about her character. That would make me mad too. There is something very fishy in the waters or Aruba, I hope this does affect their tourism. Maybe then they will realize that they are not Columbo down there. My best to helping find Natalee! Donate to the search fund if you can!

[Kap]

Rooby Rooby Doo!

I mean seriously, can that paper be anymore irresponsible? How dare they blame the FBI when the FBI has been shunned by the Aruban police? BTW, Arubans are dumb enough NOT to think that the FBI has more than likely ALREADY questioned the chaperones and her fellow classmates about Natalee's actions that FATEFUL night.

I'm in the process of writing that rag an email. I remember a Louie Anderson stand up where he was talking about dumb people or people that annoy you, that you shoot them with a freeze gun instead of a real gun, that way for example, if someone cut you off on the highway you could hit them with the freeze gun. The freeze gun needs to be used on the Aruban police so REAL police people can do REAL police work to get this thing solved.

The Aruban police screwed up royally in the beginning and it's obvious to any intelligent form of life that this was done by the police chief in order to help his BEST FRIEND's son get rid of evidence. There is a massive cover-up going on, the Holloway's KNOW it, and I'm one that hopes they blow the lid off this case and show what the world what Aruba is REALLY ALL ABOUT.

[Kap]

Rooby Rooby Doo!

I mean seriously, can that paper be anymore irresponsible? How dare they blame the FBI when the FBI has been shunned by the Aruban police? BTW, Arubans are dumb enough NOT to think that the FBI has more than likely ALREADY questioned the chaperones and her fellow classmates about Natalee's actions that FATEFUL night.

I'm in the process of writing that rag an email. I remember a Louie Anderson stand up where he was talking about dumb people or people that annoy you, that you shoot them with a freeze gun instead of a real gun, that way for example, if someone cut you off on the highway you could hit them with the freeze gun. The freeze gun needs to be used on the Aruban police so REAL police people can do REAL police work to get this thing solved.

The Aruban police screwed up royally in the beginning and it's obvious to any intelligent form of life that this was done by the police chief in order to help his BEST FRIEND's son get rid of evidence. There is a massive cover-up going on, the Holloway's KNOW it, and I'm one that hopes they blow the lid off this case and show what the world what Aruba is REALLY ALL ABOUT.

[PackerFanGirl]

well said kap. bamamom, I guess cita did not read Moscow Girl's email b4 reading your response or she is like all others, ignore the trashing of us but defend the trashing of any other country.

[Chrystal]

That was some post by "Moscow Girl". Calling people rednecks because they are from the South is clearly biased and stereotypical. Sending posts from here to Aruba - wow the KGB is still alive. Sorry we have free speech here. As for you taking Russians there - great. They launder plenty of money there anyway. And they are such wonderful, compassionate, educated people ...as I have seen over here in Brighton Beach (NOT)..your obvious hatred and ignorance and tattle tailing tells me all I need to know about you. Loser.

[bobup]

Piss off the FBI, I never seen that work very well for anyone, these dutch/aruban officials have set a new standard for IDIOT

[Vulcan]

I'm totally sickened by the events of the last month. However, noone should be surprised by the outcome. The handwriting on how this investigation would go was on the wall from the beginning. I grieve with the Holloway & Twitty families, & pray that the Lord will give them strength. And, as for the anti-American sentiment, feel free to throw your daggers. We're used to it. We LOVE our country & will give our lives to protect our freedoms. Oh, and by the way, we'll give our lives to protect yours as well. God Bless the USA!

[Berry]

If the prime suspect cannot be supported by any real evidence of a crime, it is long past time to start looking elsewhere. It's obvious Natalee's family was on the island with her - at least her twin male cousins were.

If she did get back to the hotel or close by, whom might she encouter? Most likely a member of her 124 person tour group. All alibis should have been checked by now. IMO, the plane load of Mountainbrook travelers whould never have been allowed to leave Aruba, until full interviews were conducted.

If the 17 yr old is not the answer - then obviously someone else is.

[BigAl]

You people are all REALLY screwed up!!

Stop bashing eachothers country! This is not about America or Russia or the Netherlands or ARUBA.

This is about a missing girl in a tiny island....

Everything I read on these kinds of websites and news channels are ridiculous!! There are som MANY false rumors out there that are being used as fact by you guys!

There are no known truths out there. The only facts in this case are the ones that are DIRECTLY released by the prosecutors of Aruba.

NOTHING ELSE is true..Everything else is false and fake and just a bad rumour!!!

Everyone must STOP speculatin anf then believing there own CRAZY theories as the truth...

JUST relax and the ARUBAN police will hopefully have an answer....

Its only been a little over a month....Many cases like this take MUCH, MUCH, MUCH longer to solve here in our U.S...

Here in our U.S., we can not detain a suspected criminal until the evidence has been collected...Here in the U.S., Joran Van Der SLUT would be walking freely until there is a case against him. And that could take months!

The Aruban System of detainment is a lot better then OURS!! Are you guys dumb or don't know our system!

Hoe many times have you heard that a man could not be arrested here in the U.S. because of lack of evidence..Then 1 week later, that same man commits another crime...This can not happen in Aruba....A person that is suspected in a crime can be detained and held without any evidence!

GROW UP PEOPLE and stop taking false info and making it fact!!@!@!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[grimer11]

IF YOU ARE UNFORTUNATE ENOUGH TO FIND YOURSELF IN ARUBA, BE SURE TO WEAR A GPS TRACKING DEVICE, SO THE FBI CAN FIND YOUR BODY, AFTER YOU HAVE BEEN DRUGGED, "CARVED OUT", GANG RAPED, AND MURDERED.

[BigAL]

grimer11:

Are you retarded or something?????

So many dumb people on this website!!! You think its easy to find a missing person..

Why don't you look at some recent cases here in the U.S...Dumbass!

Some missing people cases never get solved..Hundreds have not gotten solved here in the U.S. and other bigger countries..

You think its easy to find a body that has been chopped up and disposed of???

Morons like you should rot.

[Dirk]

This has been going on for too long, it is time for me to react to some of the b***t I have been reading on this board. I will try to explain the misconceptions I find here, item by item. (my personal view)

First I am from the Netherlands, not from Holland. (Dutch people will understand this one)

Americans
As an European, I love Americans, as a part of the allied forces they liberated us from the nazi regime and we are eternally grateful for that.
What we don’t like is your current politics and leader, we don’t think with the current actions taken in Iraq has made the world a safer place. But don’t worry, as soon as Hillary is president, someone with a realistic worldview, this all will change.

Aruban legal system
The Aruban legal system is adapted from the Dutch. Many of us here think that this system is superior over the American legal system. ( we can be patriots too ) But ask yourself this: Is it really a coincidence that the International Court of Justice and the UN war tribunal are located in the Netherlands?

Corruption on Aruba
I tried to look it up in the corruption transparency index. Aruba is not on the list, but the Netherlands is. The Netherlands is no 10 of least corrupt counties. The US stand at 17th place. And because there are still a lot of Dutch people on the island and it used to be a Dutch colony and it is still a Dutch protectorate and is also part of our Kingdom, I expect the corruption over there does not differ that much from than that from The Netherlands. Now for the people who don’t take vacations in corrupt countries, you better stay home because there aren’t many. But your very welcome to The Netherlands, a country less corrupt than US of A.

Drugs in Aruba
Yes, Aruba is a thoroughfare for drugs en route to the US. But the only reason for that is that there is such a huge demand in the US. And with the high profits made on drugs, the drug smugglers will always find a way to get to this market. If the aruban authorities succeed in stopping this, the drug price in the US will go up, users have to steal more to pay for their addiction, crime will go up, more criminals get arrested, more people get incarcerated. In Europe we already understand that a war on drugs does not work, when will the US?

Money laundering
The Dutch invented the banking system and the stock market and is still a strong player in the financial sector all over the world. So it is not surprising that some of our know how will be used for money laundering. But is money laundering such a bad thing? If want to buy drugs, weapons and other illegal stuff, I don’t need white money.
I need white money to invest in legit business. So at least some of the money made with drugs is flowing back into the US economy. And again money laundering wouldn’t be an issue if there was not such a huge drugs market in the US.

The case
All I read on this board is speculation, because it is a closed investigation nobody outside the system knows what is happening inside. Isn’t that frustrating? So you start to speculate, speculate, speculate. Speculation about corruption, where is your proof?
Speculation that the brothers had anything to do with the disapearance, where is your proof? Speculation that Joran is guilty, where is your proof? As long as the prosecution does not come out with all the details, the only thing you can do is speculate. And I must say your getting very good at it, Fox news is getting very good at it, Beth Twitty is getting very good at it, but really, nobody knows.

Beth Twitty,
I feel very sorry for what happened to Natalee, whatever happened to her. I can understand her frustration and I also understand that she wants the brothers to stay on the island. But justice has spoken, the brothers are free. What I don’t understand is why fox news is showing this irrational video over and over again. It is like asking other countries to defy the Aruban law.
But I have to say that otherwise she is doing a good job, by trying to lure all the news stations to this little island and making this boring case look interesting.

Jug Twitty
Again speculation, what did the police ask him? Where were you at the time of the crime? I don’t think so. More likely they would have asked: Has Natalee ever before not come home after a party. How is her relationship with her Mother? , did they argue a lot? But now I am speculating. But I am happy to see that the police is also investigating other possibilities. I think under the pressure from the international, oops sorry, American media they developed tunnel vision by focusing only on Joran.

Joran
Did he lie, Yes. Did he change his story a couple of times, Yes. Did he kill her, we don’t know. But without a body or forensic evidence it will be hard to convict him even in the US. All he has to do is keep his mouth shut.
But you have to give it to Joran, I read that Joran the morning after the disapearance had an exam and he aced it. Can you image somebody committing a horrible crime for the first time in his life, and afterwards disposing of the body, to go to school a few hours later and ace his exam? I can’t, either he did not do it or he is really the Iceman. BTW is it normal for a seventeen year old to drink. In Europe we are not that uptight about alcohol, we see it as a social thing. It is normal in france that the children get wine mixed with water during dinner. Legal drinking age in The Netherlands is 16, but most parents let their children drink some beer mixed with seven-up before that age. We try to learn them to drink responsible.

Boycott Aruba,
The silliest thing I heard on this board. With all the media attention it gets tourism to Arub will increase, haven’t you seen the beautifull beaches? Every expert will say negatative media attention is still media attention, and in a year or so everybody forgets about the case but they still remember “paradise” “party island” “white beaches” Think about the runaway bride, the american media made her an instant super star, people like to forget the bad things.

And finally Fox news
Wake up, Fox news is not a news channel. If you had to compare Fox news to a restaurant, fox new would be mc Donalds. Sure it is popular and you can eat there, but if it is the only place where you eat you miss out on a lot of nutrients, you grow fat and you die soon.
What they serve on Fox news is easy digestable brain food, we serve what you like. If our ratings are up on a certain subject, we serve it again and again. We will milk this cow untill the customers are fed up with it. Then we will find another dish, not that it is good for you but because you like it. Fox news is probably the most unreliable news source in the world because they only tell you what you like. Especially that oversexed self-righteous bastard Bill “lookatmeandIknowitbetter”O reilly is a real hamburger.

God bless France

[BigAL]

grimer11:

Are you retarded or something?????

So many dumb people on this website!!! You think its easy to find a missing person..

Why don't you look at some recent cases here in the U.S...Dumbass!

Some missing people cases never get solved..Hundreds have not gotten solved here in the U.S. and other bigger countries..

You think its easy to find a body that has been chopped up and disposed of???

Morons like you should not be allowed to talk. They should be locked up in a psychiatric ward somewhere!

[PackerFanGirl]

Big Al, just for the record, each time the prosecution in Aruba wants to hold a suspect they need more and more evidence. The bar is higher each time. That is not exactly holding them without evidence.

I agree this is about a missing girl. I disagree that we should trust the Aruba law enforcement/justice system, too many things have just too obviously gone wrong, been done wrong and more, if you have been here for a time, you know the reasons for those feellings.

As far as trashing countries, I do not like it either but like so many here, I will not sit back and take it when someone trashes us without anyone of us instigating it or engaging them in trashing any country.

I respect your post and agree with some of it and the above are just my feelings and you are certainly entitled to yours, some of which I do agree with.

[BigAL]

Packerfangirl:

Yes they do need evidence as it goes on...

But in our U.S. system these people would be walking free..Joran would NOT be in jail right now, if this was a U.S. case.

And all these people have to stop saying that they know what happened!

NOTHING is known..There are no FACTS that were made public to us...Only 3 or 4 things in the beginning...Once again, If you DID not here it from the prosecutors, then it is NOT fact..STOP THIS NONSENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!