Anti-US Media Demonstration?

I'm hearing reports from Aruba which suggest that there could be an anti-US media demonstration forming near the Court house ... possibly to be more formalized at 5 PM EST.

No word on the size of any group there now, or anticipated.

Unconfirmed - developing.

Comments

[P in S.E.Asia]

It is interesting that when one does not side with the 'masses' they are viewed as being ignorant. and if u do consult with your webster u will see that fuck means to engage in sexual intercourse with - that's exactly what Joran said he did with Natalee the night prior to her departure from Aruba.

I respect your views, yet u find it difficult to respect mine and allow for all ideas to contend. my advice to u, we're only 1's n 0's, dont get ur knickers in a knot over this.

[what about this]

I would have to agree with Max. Beth didn't help herself this morning. I think it would go a long way in Aruba if the Holloway Twittys would at least acknowledge that they regret some of their actions. That they allowed Natalee to go on a trip without supervision where the drinking and partying obviously were a part of the agenda. That allowed her to be put into a dangerous situation. Too, Natalie may have made some decisions as an 18 year old adult that put her in jeopardy as well. What is amazing is that this is the first time an American girl has gone missing from one of these trips, that it hasn't happened before Even normally responsble teenage boys and girls will act out of character in a permissive environment, lots of drinking (espcially is she is not used to drinking) And how did we get to the point that teenagers should get a senior trip out of the country simply for graduating high school. We as parents don't seem to be able to say no anymore. We can see the sentiment in Aruba turning against Beth. Here in the US too, people are backing away.

[anne]

Can the Kalpoe brothers leave the island? Didn;t they "ask" PVDS not to leave? He is no different that these boys. Also, what about obstruction of justice? Does that mean anything to the Aruban authorities?

[KDH]

welcome back me :)

[dude-aah]

Something to think about as tomorrow unfolds. A week or so ago (sorry I can't recall exactly when), someone calling themselves a psychic predicted that NH's body would "wash up" on July 6. This was on Scared Monkeys. The poster called him/herself "psychic.

[gallowaygirl]

Excuse me Charles III, but I do believe history will reflect that it is Joran and Paulus Van der Sloot, the inept government of Nelson Oduber and the corrupt police department of Jan Van der Straaten will have ruined the economy of Aruba.

Perhaps if Nelson Oduber and Raveboy Tratenberg weren't so obsessed with the island's reputation and the almight tourist dollar in those first few weeks, to the exclusion of a proper investigation; Beth Holloway Twitty would be home with her daughter now.

[gallowaygirl]

what about this -

You are pathetic. No error in judgement deserves the ultimate punishment. SHAME ON YOU!

[gallowaygirl]

what about this -

You are pathetic. No error in judgement deserves the ultimate punishment. SHAME ON YOU!

[gallowaygirl]

Excuse me Charles III, but I do believe history will reflect that it is Joran and Paulus Van der Sloot, the inept government of Nelson Oduber and the corrupt police department of Jan Van der Straaten will have ruined the economy of Aruba.

Perhaps if Nelson Oduber and Raveboy Tratenberg weren't so obsessed with the island's reputation and the almight tourist dollar in those first few weeks, to the exclusion of a proper investigation; Beth Holloway Twitty would be home with her daughter now.

[me]

It is possible that the Kalpoes knew nothing. I think the boys dropped Joran and Natalee off at the beach or the lighthouse or Joran's??? It was after that when "something" went wrong. Maybe Joran called for help or had assistamce in someway from his father and/or some of his cronies. As Joran and *whoever* worked out the details for the cover-up they realized people probably had seen the three boys leave C&Cs. Joran was told to call the Kalpoes and say if anyone asked to say they had dropped her off at her hotel. When the boys asked "Why?" Joran said he couldn't tell them. One of the Kalpoes asked, "Did something bad happen?" and Joran replied, "Yes."
I believe that what happened was close to this. Now the brothers were wrong to lie but I don't think they are in the same league as the parties who requested the lie be told.
It is amazing to me how little talk escapes this island. As far as I know:
No one had much to say about the characters of anyone involved. Good or bad.
No one released from jail has said anything about what is going on inside.
No one is questioning the idea that a woman could perform the Columbian Necktie on her lover.
Where is the feedback from the average Joe from Aruba? Where is the feedback from people whose lives have been affected in any way by all of this?

/end rant :)

[RstJ]

This is just the latest big-mouthed Twitty embarrassment. They've been doing this since the very beginning when they pushed past LE and went roaring up to the der Sloot House on their own. They never gave the investigation a chance to get started, and they've been there every step of the way interfering like w/that stunt Beth pulled w/Greta where they went into the VDS home. And now they're whining around that the case hasn't been handled properly. No way they *ever* would have been permitted to get away with half of what they're doing in the US.

They need to sit down and shut up. They're partly responsible for this total mess. They aren't making it any better by making absurd requests like countries denying entry to the Kalpoes.

RstJ

[P in S.E.Asia]

now charles they gonna label u as an american basher - cause u bringin forward a slightly different twist tothe 'masses'.

oh how great discussions are made whrn we allow all plausible n possible ideas to content.

[Rachael]

Do you think they will ever find Natalee?

[King of Controversy (Holland)]

You Americans are so disgusting or perhaps pethetic. Why? Because the only thing you are following this story is for your own entertaiment, your own pleassure. The only reason why you are interested in the faith of NH is to forget your own problems regarding politics. You are using the loss of NH mother as a drug to forget your own reality. And that is pretty sick.

[Sarah]

What about this,

you have no right to judge why Natalee or anybody else went on a senior trip to Aruba or anywhere else. I don't know where you are but nobody in my town is backing away from this case.. we are more involved than ever! We want answers. On another note, I wonder if all the properties of VDS and the Kaopoe's have been searched by the dogs or whoever .. its proven that most murders bury thier victims on their own property.

[michele in bham]

RstJ, why do you have such rage against the Twitty's?

You have continually bashed Marcia and acted like she had some kind of power to keep kids from talking, which is so far from true it isn't funny.

Now you are bashing Jug and Beth.

What's your problem?

[Princess]

I think Beth needs to back off a bit. I understand she is frustersted but calm down lady.

[Rachel]

Maybe all the hype truly is hindering the investigation. I understand Beth Twittys frustration, but if she really wants a solution is this getting her any closer? There are underlying political problems in Aruba that have nothing to do with this case, but bet your ass they are using it. What if we all just took a deep breath and thought of more constructive less accusatory solutions to this mystery? Come on people stop arguing and put your heads together!

[PackerFanGirl]

Sarah, exactly. And ya know what else is funny when it comes to those judging the Twittys for letting her go on the trip? She was of legal age to go if she wished. On the other hand JVS is 17 and not of legal age to do as he wishes but his parents allow him to anyway. The stupid hypocrisy when someone comments on the Twittys, the chaperones, etc. but makes no remarks whatsoever about a boy allowed to run all over the island, in nightclubs, in casinos, etc. all the age of 17 doing as he wished with no supervision at all, etc., etc.

[dude-aah]

Rachel -- "psychic" said her body will wash up tomorrow. I half expect it to happen.

[Princess]

I dont think Natalee was as innocent as everyone claims

[vcsiii50]

packerfangirl
maine
you are right on with your comments.
go beth!
somehow i don't think that the spectacle of "local" arubans demonstrating against media pressure (and the Holloway family pressure) to come up with some answers to what really happened is going to do aruba any good at all.
good luck, aruba.....all we want to know is what happened to that girl!

BTW, no amount of finger pointing at our own failures or mention of other poor missing children elsewhere has anything to do with the simple question: where is Beth ?

[me]

I think America is so intested in this because Aruba has such a different system than ours. It seems secretive because we are used to hearing tha facts almost as soon as they are discovered. And face it, there are some elements that seem pretty darn shady. I'm not ready to point fingers because I just don't know what is known, what may be hidden, what the truth is. I may never but most of us have enough of a stake via our time and emotions invested in following the case that we will hang in there until we get some answers. Uh, we hope.

[Princess]

I dont think Natalee was as innocent as everyone claims

[michele in bham]

To Charles III, the chaperones didn't do a bed count, or a check in at night, and the parents signed a waiver stating their agreement with that.

The only check in was ay 12 p.m. in the hotel lobby.

The kids were basically on their own, and the parents knew that going in.

[wreck]

Princess, ...and you base that on what???? IF,IF, IF, that is true -- she ASKED for it???

[King of Controversy (Holland)]

@ PackerFanGirl
I know that in the US this is an issue, but in Holland and Aruba it is usual for boys and girls to do as they like at the age of 12-14. There are of course exceptions.

[Princess]

I dont think Natalee was as innocent as everyone claims

[Big Pappy]

Yolande, give Joran a kiss when you see him for me. Thanks.

[monof05grad]

At this point in the investigation I don't believe that all of these opinions matter.. Although I will say that it makes one feel better
(myself included). There were chaperones (coaches and their wives) who I am sure were there for a vacation as well and probably were not expected to really police the "Children". Natalee had best friends there with her who were there to have a good time and not "police" Natalee. Noone expects to go anywhere and have something like this happen - although we hear stories and raise our children to "Beware" when you add alcohol to any equation - your judgements are going to be somewhat altered. So if there is anything/anyone to blame - it is the mentality that drinking is something everyone does and that when done responsibly it is okay - and that drinking is a form of having a good time. I strongly believe had these children not been drinking alcohol their judgements that night would have been very different.

[michele in bham]

Princess, I think Natalee was somewhat naive.

But no matter her level of innocence, she didn't deserve to die.

[Vinkje]

vcsiii50: where is BETH??? What planet are you on?????

[KDH]

I do agree with me,

The weird thing for the American's is that you don't get any or better to say NO inside information about the case. All those questions you have could have been researched by now, but because their is no information suppose to go to the media, you don't know anything.

I really don't think the arubians should get to angry about the media. I do agree with them, because, the only thing the media is doing is to make the island look as bad as possible. I you would aks the people who have been their the most will tell you they had a great time their and that the Arubians are so nice people. If you never have been on the island to judge it!!!

Me got my email??

[PackerFanGirl]

Thanks vcs. And I agree, the demonstration will not help them, it will just make them more of a laughingstock than the "investigation", etc. has already made them. They say on the one hand they don't want to lose the American tourism dollar but on the other they now want the media and the Twittys (Americans all) to leave. Yeah, I am sure most Americans are going to want to go there after seeing a grieving family forced out and our media, which none of us would ever say is anywhere near perfect but in this case is ensuring this case is not swept away or under the rug, forced out as well. If they actually force them out, then there you go, no one watching what they are doing then with the case or what happens to the suspects, etc. is there?

[Princess]

Yolande, give him a kiss for me too! And a big hug!

[gallowaygirl]

You know what really bugs me...apologists like "Charles III and 'what about this'.

For the record and for the umpteenth time, there were NO CHAPERONES and NO CHECK IN. These kids were high school graduates who were off to college in two months. There are no chaperones and no check in times at college.

And you don't know how much Natalee drank, you don't know that her friends didn't care about her, you don't know that Natalee didn't assume she was getting a ride back to the Holiday Inn....YOU don't know ANYTHING. But one thing I know...you are victim blamers. And frankly, I don't care if a hooker runs down the street drunk as a sailor and butt-naked....that does not give someone the right to abduct and murder her.

Funny how you want to hold Natalee and her grief-stricken mother accountable for actions your sick little minds have conjured up and for which you HAVE NO PROOF; and YET you have NOTHING to say about Joran Van der Sloot, Paulus Van der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe & Satish Kalpoe who have been proven to be arrogant, sociopathic liars who would cause innocent people to be arrested and punished for crimes they did not commit.

I swear to God, I am going to drag Justin T over here.....

[lesmes]

ahhh, you americans think you are so right, your media is just a big trash can. The state department knows to well that Aruba is the best laundry machine of the Caribbean and they dont do nothing about it. Lets withdraw the troops from Iraq and send them down to Aruba to look for Natalie and to kick everybody's a......if some aruban local stands on their way. Do you think that, because you happen to be the most powerful country of the world can come to Aruba and push Us around, just because a teenage girl came to Aruba to get wasted, drugged and who knows what else. You are just a bunch of rednecks and Natalie got what she came to look for, sad she had to dissapeared. But we Arubans are not to be blamed for that. The only person which has to be blame for is Natalie herself, she never heard MOM BETH advising her not to go out with strangers. So, keep off your bad comments out of our Island.

[Princess]

I dont think Natalee was as innocent as everyone claims

[KDH]

" If you never have been on the island to judge it!!! "

I mean...

If you never have been on the island DON'T judge it!!!

[me]

KDH .... uh no. :) VK mag? Sorry. I'm a little cornfused. :)

[KatieinMN]

Princess
Who made you the judge of other people's charachter? When you attack the charachter of a missing (probably dead) girl, it is far more a reflection on you, than her.

And as for telling her mother to calm down, could you be a little bit more insensitive? That's what you say to a person when they lose their wallet, not their baby girl.

[proudredneck]

I suppose we could boycott their exports. Would that be drugs? Then the only industry left is tourism. We can boycott that. Then what is left for these unabased demonstrators who feed at the trough of America's hard-working tax dollars? Let them eat cake.

[justavoice]

Something happened to this girl - the last person who was with her knows something. His friends who lied for him - know something. [After all to lie is to cover up a truth] - so Beth is correct that these three know something.
But from what I have read as far as Anything goes in Aruba - I do not see any justice forthcoming for this poor family.

[KDH]

For the record and for the umpteenth time, there were NO CHAPERONES and NO CHECK IN. These kids were high school graduates who were off to college in two months. There are no chaperones and no check in times at college.

Posted by: gallowaygirl | July 5, 2005 05:22 PM

Just a reminder to you gallowaygirl.. Joran was also suppose to go to college right now! Joran was already graduated!

This doesn't mean I do agree with you that no body has the right to kill anyone!

[gallowaygirl]

lesmes -

If you are from Aruba, you are an embarrasment to your country. If not, you are a pathetic little troll. But assuming you are from Aruba (and most likely Dutch)....

We have uncovered Aruba's dirty little secrets and you can't stand it. We all know about the Sicilians, the money laundering banks, the passport selling governent officials, the human trafficking, the whore houses, the choller houses, the apartheid-like society, the racism, the worship of the AMERICAN tourist dollar, the club drugs, the raves and little American gangsta-wannabes. These secrets will never be hidden again.

And one other thing we know about some, especially your youth, in Aruba.....

........you hate us, but you wanna be us.

You must be so conflicted....

[MsThang]

The media isn't making Aruba look bad. The bumbling LE, Ruben Rave On Tratenberg, Jossy Mansur and his underworld ties, the hippie-dippy Dutch folks on here and Arubans vilifying Beth Twitty ("I understand how she feels but" -- sure you do. Come back when your child vanishes without a trace and let me know how YOU feel) --- all of you make Aruba look bad. Whatever happens, I hope Mrs. Twitty comes forward with everything she knows about Aruba. We've learned so much about its seamy underbelly and faux "low crime" claims already in just a few short weeks. Imagine what she's learned!

To the good people of Aruba, you have it in you to tell as much of the truth as you know, regardless how corrupt your Dutch officials are. It's been said you saw out of the corners of your eyes -- now speak the truth from the corners of your mouths and get out from under the mess this has created for you.

[KatieinMN]

Who wants to go to Aruba now anyway?

Arubans obviously hate Americans for demanding answers when tourists go missing. I don't like spending time with people who don't like me, so why would I take my hard-earned money and spend it in a country where people think I'm uppity for wanting justice?

[mb]

I only have 3 words for Joran and Daddy VDS.

BE A MAN!

If they truly did what is being suggested and it certainly smells of a coverup, BE A MAN, and take responsibility for your actions. The smug denial and cocky "you can't touch me" attitude is ruining lives of many people around you, not just the Holloway-Twitty's.

Whether he is let go eventually, like Daddy was, or not, this will forever impact your FAMILY and FRIENDS. Your MOTHER, your YOUNGER BROTHERS, etc., will never have a normal life again, as long as they live, as the shadow of the suspicion and guilt will follow them as well. It will be associated with the name...even though the younger ones had no part in this mess. If I were his mother, and I saw him laughing while being led away in the police car after the hearing yesterday, I would be absolutely sick, to know that my son has that little regard for human life. I would be sick, and very scared of what I raised.

This is a classic case of denial, immaturity, and irresponsibility and it is very sad. Life is all about growing up, and accepting responsibility for the actions we take. With those actions, there will always be consequences. Helping your children dodge those consequences is a very big mistake. A sign of very poor parenting. I truly do feel sorry for the younger brothers of JVDS. Because if their big brother and father(supposedly role models to younger males) fail to take responsibility for their actions, and take their lumps and learn from it, they don't have much hope either.

This same advice goes for the Kalpoe brothers, if they are involved somehow or know something that they aren't saying, just to protect themselves or their friend. Shame on all of them, and the web of lies, hurt and deception they have caused to not just the victims of this tragedy, but their own families, friends and the shadow of doubt they have now cast on their own island.

This is, undoubtedly, selfishness at its best.

[PackerFanGirl]

Go Galloway Girl, I agree 100 percent with everything you said. And get Justin T. I have watched his comments and he is right on.

And to lesmes, if that is the attitude most of your people share then we are right on about you all. NATALEE GOT WHAT SHE CAME LOOKING FOR???????????? Drugs, sex and booze? Only sources I heard any of that from is the suspects...

And the only blame lies with the victim for not listening to her mom about going off with strangers? In other words, whoever hurt or killed her is not to blame, she is?

See what the Twittys are dealing with everyone? See the attitude? And yet if this person is really from Aruba, he/she states it is a money laundering machine and wants our state department to do something about it... Oooh, finally someone from down there that did not say Aruba is paradise, Aruba is perfect, etc., etc.

I guess he/she also knows for a fact (right) that Natalee was not drugged, was looking for sex, booze and drugs, etc. YEAH RIGHT. He/she must have been there and if that is the case, imagine he/she has offered all that he/she must have seen firsthand to the police and helped with the investigation...

I guess what it comes down to is there really is no law down there. The 17 year olds can do as they please, everyone can and it is really too bad we did not know that about this island, their law enforcement (or lack thereof) and their legal system before something like this happened. Well, we know it now and they have showed us themselves what they think of us so why the heck would any of us ever want to go there...

[P in S.E.Asia]

i think what the lady is in effect doing (thought i may also say inadvertently) is equivalent to "cuttin one's nose to spite one's face" when she belittles the country, it's people, it judicial system and still expect them to willingly assist her as she goes through her ordeal.

u dont hear the parents of the "other sets of victims" decrying her or her country in any way. so i think she needs to take a chill pill. The fate of her daughter has already been decided and no matter how much she huffs n puffs, it's ain't gonna change a thing.

A very sad n seemingly insensitive reality