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Gee, what a surprise. They want our media to disappear, so this story could too.

Wow, now all they have to do is play the race card and the media probably WILL whimper away.

Yes, this is a surprise Shari isn't it? It is almost getting so what the Arubans are going to do next is predictable. I think it is time for a big protest over here. Too bad the US isn't as small as Aruba, we could all easily meet up here somewhere and have the press cover our protest about what is going on over there and I think we would have a lot of people turn out!

oh yeah, thats real smart. You don't want any attention, so you are gonna have a demonstration about it? Yeah, thats not going to get you any attention. Hello?

Ignorant savages can't wish this away......there won't be any end to this.

ARUBA= MURDER

Heatherrey,

GREAT POINT. But then you have to admit, smart is one thing we have really seen none of over there from day one...!

Insane I say! They are protesting what? That we care about our own? That they be allowed to continue with their fiasco of an investigation?

No, they're protesting so the American media stops reporting them as the half-a$$ed investigators that they are. One month later, key LIAR suspects let go, a father whose comments alone would have him still locked up. A prime suspect who wears clean pressed shirts and sunglasses while escorted around the island, and for propagating stupid notions like an F-16 flyover will have any results whatsoever.

They protest, we leave, they get back to corrupt judicial system as they know it.

Don't leave Beth, you know your work to be done is much larger than just your loss now. None of this helps folks, it only serves to embolden Beth even more.

Wonder how much the protestors are being paid by the law enforcement?

That's hilarious.

I mean the media are probably making up for the loss of tourism revenue of late.

Talk about shooting yourself in the foot - then again, they probably wouldn't be able to find the shooter anyway...lol

Well I guess this just proves they don't need our tourist dollars. The drug trade is sufficient to carry them through. :)

Right on, Big Pappy. Couldn't have said it better. I think personally more media bigwigs should be sent over there in response to this, assuming they will let them in! Some idiot in another place on here also said they are trying to get rid of the Twittys as well, that a petition with 3,000 signatures so far was going around amongst the Aruban citizens. She/he is an idiot because she/he lives in Aruba and agreed with this and supported the idea on her postings.

shouldn't they be protesting their corrupt officials instead.

BHT has no place insulting the entire aruban judicial system in th emanner in which she did - reffereing to the young, now presumed innocent boys - as criminals, further implyin that th ejudicail system in inept.

Isn't that the same judicial / justice system she expects to assit her in finding what happened to her daughter?

paradoxical if u as me.

P in SEAsia
obviously you dont have an ounce of empathy in your whole body- cant you evben IMAGINE what it would feel like to know somehting terrible happened to your child? i am not by any means saying ALL of the us media are professionals- healdo is a glorified ambulance chaser... but if it werent for the media, this would be another unsolved case, swept under the carpet to keep the happy island crime statistic "free"

elan
methinks if they protested their corrupt officials, they too would disappear without a trace. nothing else explains the ridiculous things that are going on over there including this latest... the Aruban people apparently are too scared (chickens) of the higher ups to actually side with the family of an innocent victim or they simply do not care and have no compassion, gee, i wonder which it is...

I think it is time to sent the 'Bama Navy Seal Rangers to do its own search and rescue, since I think the Aruban Sun have corrupted the previous FBI, Equusearch and DEA agents. My guess is that the family is probably being held by both Columbian drug dealers and also the Royal Marines, so battle hardy.

Aruba -
"A magnificent washing-machine is sold here, its trademark is Aruba. The machine is an Aruban-Colombian product, its model called Cartel. The brand is well-known for its good performance in the United States and Europe. It is recommended by members of Parliament, owners of casinos, supermarkets. The washing-machine fits everybody who has become inexplicably rich from one day to another

One dead American stinks too much for some Arubans?

P in SE Asia,
Nothing about Aruba's "justice system" supports the idea that one is innocent until proven guilty, so why do you hold Beth Twitty to a higher standard? No one had to tell the rest of the world that Aruba's "judicial system" has problems - that is obvious. Don't shoot the messenger.

Its time to sent in the 'bama Navy Seals to search and rescue for their own.

Oh yeah that’s real smart......Protest the media for telling the truth of Aruba playing like an ostrich with their head in the sand hoping the problem will go away. They can't solve their one murder/kidnapping, but I forgot this shiite doesn't happen in Aruba. I thought this case was going to be solved in 24-48 hours like 3 weeks ago? For once our media is doing a great job! Perhaps Aruba needs a couple of cowboys to go in there and clean this up.

Gee Aruba I'm scared....You get what you deserve and you know the hit in tourism is coming. How many high school trips will be there next year?

I think it is that this tragedy has exposed something very big- and the sickos are protecting their cash cow and the natives are all in denial, i cant imagine what some of the arubans must be feeling now as well if they have also been living in the dark...

Oh yeah that’s real smart......Protest the media for telling the truth of Aruba playing like an ostrich with their head in the sand hoping the problem will go away. They can't solve their one murder/kidnapping, but I forgot this shiite doesn't happen in Aruba. I thought this case was going to be solved in 24-48 hours like 3 weeks ago? For once our media is doing a great job! Perhaps Aruba needs a couple of cowboys to go in there and clean this up.

Gee Aruba I'm scared....You get what you deserve and you know the hit in tourism is coming. How many high school trips will be there next year?

Food for thought... While this poor family is trying to find their daughter, they are having to pay even more money into this corrupt economy ie.. food, lodging, travel. So it looks as if
Aruba is continuing to profit by American dollars. (Not to mention all the money the media is spilling into the island).

YEah, you know, that's great,(sarcastic) but at the end of the day, they get to go home to the ones they love but Natalee does not. I am sick that the Holloways/Twittys have to endure this crap in addition to all the other crap in order to find their baby, an innocent person who caught caught in the web of filth know as Vandersloot and company.

kim- you are so right on... nice to hear that people are on the same sheet of music here- I ahve been saying this all for the past few years before this natalee tragedy... too big too soon!

I hear both the Holloways and Twist are riding free on room and board and car rental..so are the Equusearch.. and now since the TX team is rolling slow...

CHATTANOOGA, Tenn. -- A team of divers and a dog trained to find bodies will fly to Aruba Tuesday to join the search for an Mountain Brook teenager missing for more than a month.

The five, all members of the Tennessee Search and Rescue Dog Association, were requested by Aruban officials to help in the search for 18-year-old Natalee Holloway and for clues to her disappearance.

The Chattanooga-based group is expected to assist in the Holloway investigation for six days. Two of their divers are experts in collecting evidence.

Numerous searches by Dutch marines, Aruban investigators and volunteer rescue groups have failed to turn up any trace of the Alabama teen who vanished May 30.

The investigation into what happened to Holloway is focusing on a Dutch teenager after a judge ruled police could hold him an additional 60 days but he ordered the release of two Surinamese brothers held in the case.

A judge ruled Monday there was sufficient evidence against 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot to keep him jailed while prosecutors build their case.

Have the authorities thoroughly searched the VdS property (grounds)? Could Natalee Holloway be somewhere on the VdS property? I thought it was strange that PVdS was hiding in the shrubs outside his home when Greta Van Sustern and Beth Holloway Twitty arrived. There were 2 family? dogs outside the home as well. Could PVdS's profuse perspiring have been caused by something he had been doing when they arrived? If the 2 family? dogs were given item(s) with Natalee's scent, would they, although not police search dogs, be able to direct investigators to Natalee if she were indeed on the property? Anyone else have similar thoutghts? Thanks.

This is getting really bizarre, I mean what did the press do to them? Are they blaming the press for the islands woes? It's hardly the presses fault.

You know this is all so weird. Whether the boys are guilty or not, where the heck is Natalee? If it was an accident wouldn't her body be found by now, a drowning or something like that woudl wash her body ashore. no, it had to be foul play. So then why did Joran lie if he wasn't party to it. Why would Dad say "no body no case" unless he at least suspected something? I mean I don' tknow one father, lawyer or not, who woud say that to his kid unless desperate. Why would Joran even think he had to lie unless he knew something.

maine, P in SE was just on another page here using the F word (when who knows how many children may see any of this). Also the same one who jumps right on anyone's remarks if they think one of NH's classmates is the one who is responsible for her disappearance. Also the same one who many weeks back always sided up for JVS, can't believe he could do such a thing, too cute, etc. should spend his/her time writing JVS love letters instead. Any remark that is pro victim is hated by P and any remark that is anti-American, anti-Natalee, anti BH, anti MB students, is jumped on and applauded. probably not in SE Asia but in Aruba, probably IS JVS posting from jail while eating steak and lobster with a nice lobster bid over his pressed white shirt...

Compananzi..
Hope that what you heard about the free ride is true! One positive in the midst of all the negative.

Me thinks they doth protest too much... no... protest a lot, get the US media in there. Get these self-righteous idiots on camera, and start asking about the drug trade, the sex trade, the sterling image of Aruba as the safe island paradise.

We need that on the 24-hour news feed of negativity we call CNN, FOX, MSNBC, etc.

Oh I am afraid that Beths comments this morning will only make it worse. If she is forced to be there a long time trying to find Natalee she needs to have the citizens on her side. I dont know who is corrupt or not but I do know that being stone walled by the locals wont do anyone anygood. I personally think the brothers probably did give up all they knew about it. If they know more they cant help themselves by telling. So its all or nothing. Anyone would shut up under those circumstances. I really feel bad for Natalees family and friends. And for the innocent people on the island just trying to live their lives. They see people come from here with the intension of getting drunk or high and partying. Small wonder they question Natalee's side of the equation. Because of what they see of americans. People at their worst. Going there to get bombed and hang out. Now all of a sudden it isnt acceptable to us. I think an unfortunate accident has happened and now its all snowballed out of control to the point its at now. Everyone are drawing their lines in the sand and ready to fight for their side of the incident. We need to cooperate and find Natalee now. Not continue to make things worse and worse. I pray Natalee will be found before this gets any uglier. max

Anyone,
what has become of the F16's and more importantly, Greta. Did I miss something?

Where is Jack Bauer when you need him??

Oh I am afraid that Beths comments this morning will only make it worse. If she is forced to be there a long time trying to find Natalee she needs to have the citizens on her side. I dont know who is corrupt or not but I do know that being stone walled by the locals wont do anyone anygood. I personally think the brothers probably did give up all they knew about it. If they know more they cant help themselves by telling. So its all or nothing. Anyone would shut up under those circumstances. I really feel bad for Natalees family and friends. And for the innocent people on the island just trying to live their lives. They see people come from here with the intension of getting drunk or high and partying. Small wonder they question Natalee's side of the equation. Because of what they see of americans. People at their worst. Going there to get bombed and hang out. Now all of a sudden it isnt acceptable to us. I think an unfortunate accident has happened and now its all snowballed out of control to the point its at now. Everyone are drawing their lines in the sand and ready to fight for their side of the incident. We need to cooperate and find Natalee now. Not continue to make things worse and worse. I pray Natalee will be found before this gets any uglier. max

I wonder if this is the "average citizens" doing this? Could they have any legitimate complaints? Have there been any reports on Aruban news sources? The media *is* a bit pushy at times. Or could "higher forces" within the alleged corrupution be prompting this? Oh to be a fly on some walls!!

OK....Lets give ARuba what they want and get the heck out of there. Go ahead and give your little demonstration on your corrupt little island to protect the VDS family. BTW Aruba, I stumbled accross the website with MANY other alternatives to your island/country. By the time I book my vacation next year, perhaps your investigation will be complete.

Alternatives....
http://www.caribbean.com/

The fact remains, if Beth and the posse were not there, this would all be over and it would be back in the fun and sun.

If you don't believe that, get your head outta the Palm Beach sand.

I cry over the loss of the family and what they will continue to endure. But smile that Beth will be strenghtened to make sure this NEVER happens to another daughter like that.

Go Beth.

This was found on the site a previous person suggested we visit- it is in regard to visiting the Netherlands -
Does this apply to Aruba as well?

Why do people go here: The Netherland's largest city, Amsterdam, draws people from around the world due to its stance on marijuana and other drugs. It is legal to smoke weed and use other drugs, and connoisseurs indulge to their heart's content at "coffee shops", where marijuana is the main thing on the menu. Also popular is the city's infamous red light district, as prositution and live sex shows are legal. The Anne Frank Haus is also in Amsterdam, as is the Heineken brewery. A number of famous museums are also located in the city, including an extensive Van Gough collection. Those who venture outside of the city are rewarded with the beautiful countryside and idyllic tulips.

They are being paid to protest, the gov't is using all options possible to end this. Wonder if the Kalpoes are gone already? At least the Kalpoes tried to hide their faces in the press, not Joran, seems to enjoy all of this.

thanks so much pacherfangirl :) you just saved me a whole lot of aggrvtion! I will simply ignore his ignorant posts :)

Reinforcements, Pennsylvania search team going to Aruba

PA Search Team Headed to Aruba
July 5, 2005 — A search crew from Monroe County is getting ready to head to Aruba to help with the search for a missing teenager.
Members of the Northeast Search and Rescue team plan to take off for Aruba later this week to aid in the search for Natalee Holloway.

The Alabama teenager disappeared on the island in May while on a school trip.

The search crew will take sonar equipment, radios and search dogs. Members of the crew say they're happy to help but they know it will be emotionally difficult.

Crew member Bruce Barton tells a local T-V station (WNEP-TV) they will "try to give closure to the family and bring Natalee back home to the U-S." He says, "That's the main thing."

Members of the team are volunteers. They hope to get donations to help with the expense of the trip.

packer - whoopsie! sorry

Big Pappy, if Joran would have watched away from the cameras you would have said he was hiding something.

The beginning of the end; we're in the middle stage now - and once the media and Holloway's are evicted that will be the end. They have tugged at the Holloways heart strings 6 weeks; the Holloways will never release the info in hopes Aruba will somehow get them the remains of their daughter back to the USA. It's up to the general public to keep the heat on - not the Holloways. They have been beaten to a pulp by a system that places money above human dignity.

Aruba, clean as a whistle...

http://www.tni.org/archives/tblick/aruba.htm#1a

Posted by: Big Pappy | July 5, 2005 04:11 PM
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When will Aruba go on our list of places to not show on US passports so our touri$t$ aren't participating in 1) Aruban economy, 2) money laundering?

Surely rubles and euros would make better exchange units than dollar$.

All Beth wants is her daughter back - dead or alive. Why can't someone just tell her where she is (anonymously, of course) and she would be able to bring her home. I think at this point, she'd be willing to not prosecute and pursue this any further. The thought of not knowing is worse than finding out the truth. Please, someone tell what they know. She just needs to bring Natalee home.

bye all! off to see a client - my thoughts and prayers again are with the family of NAt and the kind, compassionate locals in aruba i have met through the years- this must just be awful for many people :(

That would seriously change the way I feel!!!!!!

Possible mishandling of a missing persons case is one thing but staging a protest against our country is something very different.

An anti-American demonstration would positively mark Aruba off my list of future travel plans. I believe that other level headed Americans that have been looking at the NH situation through logical, neutral eyes will feel the very same way.

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