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i thought i read something previously that said ward's supposed credentials included being a former fbi agent; anyone else recall seeing that?

Why did Tim Miller come back?...I think he is the one who might know something...he probably picked up early on the stonewalling by Stratten...didnt he say they were told..."you can look here...but not there"...the VDS hacienda was off limits...etc...TIm is no fool...maybe a too nice guy...he is out there looking..sweating...no time for limelight..."by their fruits ye shall know them"...

Two people I care about in this case is Natalee and her dad Dave, they are not playing games. they are the face of every missing american and their parent.
http://www.projectjason.org/adopt.html
I promised a dear woman of a missing child that I would send this along .

ok--thomas joseph ward jr, GA PI lic #PDE008848,
licensed since 1982, etc, etc,
https://secure.sos.state.ga.us/myverification/Details.aspx?agency_id=1&license_id=460927&

So he has a credential of substance

MrsJimi,
I'll be here when we fall into the sea! I'll even bring extra life preservers!

On the subject of Natalee,has anyone noticed the oddity of the pond's continual draining while they are digging with bulldozer's. It seems they would have found something by now....regardless of whether it pertained to Natalee or to someone else.
I keep thinking of how much junk is in the landfill and am surprised the pond seems to be "so clean". or have I missed something?

Of all in this, Dave has been the one I felt most touced by. He is totally real.

God bless you Dave.

Dan:

I did email you re the blog, but got back here and saw the news about Ward. What a terrible thing to do to anyone, but especially to a mother who has worked so hard just to find any scrap of truth about what happened to her daughter. I'm so sorry for them. I don't know how she does it -- I would have had a breakdown weeks ago.

I'll look for your discussion topics and post when I can, I don't often as sometimes the comments are a little caustic for me. Great information sharing though. Night.

TJJ- I think she is exhausted and this has finally hit her. I think she knows that Natalee is not likely alive. A parent always holds out hope, but I see that hope dwindling. But I still see her just as determined as always to see this through.

Dan, I think you're right on the money here with this story about TJ Ward. The family doesn't need this guy Ward. They have the FBI involved in the case now, so get rid of him. He seems like he's full of himself anyway. I got a bad impression about him right away. I like Ernie Rizzo, former cop from Chicago. I'd hire him instead. Ward has no ability to see any of the evidence, and seems like he's just trying to pump up the family. He won't accomplish anything.

Time to let the FBI takeover, two months zero
progress. The three boys know what happened,
get the answers now.

The time has come for this to conclude.

Thoughts are with natalle and her family.

TJJ

i think she wanted to believe this wingnut and now she is let down too.

imagine being let down normally but on top of that to be let down and taken advantage of wh!en you have lost your child?

unthinkable

this man is worse than garbage!

Without actual knowlege of why the pond or why the dump? We are all just guessing, however the LE of Aruba is at the pond, onlu TES at dump? So I guess it's all just a guessing game at this point.

Sad but fair to say, nothing will come of either.

He ran into the Aruban night all right but it was due to a bad case of dhiarria. Is it true that he used an interpreter to interview his witness? Seems like it would be difficult to gauge the testimony of the witness if you don't speak the lingo. Following that up with multiple television appearances appluading your own efforts while ridiculing Aruban LE was apparently not a wise choice.

oh good god Dan look who is back!!

12:44

the fool on the hill

I've heard Dave Holloway say several times in the last few days that the police told them 4 to 6 weeks ago that they were treating this as a murder case. I have no doubt that Beth is exhausted both physically and mentally.

I'm not at all surprised she is showing signs of weight loss and exhaustion and some resulting questionable decisions.

Hi everyone,

Just like most of us, about 2 minutes into the first interview I saw with this guy I was sensing that he was/is a major phony. So sad that when we at are our most desperate, as the Holloway's and Twitty's are, that these leeches latchl on. Can't blame the families for trying every angle, but I think this guy needs to be written off.

WTG bobo...a father and son huh?...interesting...

"Without actual knowlege of why the pond or why the dump? We are all just guessing, however the LE of Aruba is at the pond, onlu TES at dump? So I guess it's all just a guessing game at this point."

Or not. Perhaps LE is concentrating on this pond because they have good reason to believe that something is in there. Their absense at the landfill may be equally telling.

ok they are rolling back in

i am not sticking around to watch this

goodnight dan!!

Does TJ ward have a website?....what is his business address?....a real office or a drop box for mail and an answering machine?...what kind of resume/referrals does he offer?...there is no need for a PI here...take your pick FBI or PI?...duh...

Posted by: Nuke Aruba | July 30, 2005 12:26 AM
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There's a thread on him and his credentials over at Websleuths.

I agree that this is yet another let down for Beth. I being a mother of 25 and 26 year olds see that this could be me.

Beth has changed guys, maybe from stress, from let downs... She's just not what drew me to the case. Weeks ago, I saw a strong fighting mother, now I see a mouse.....WHY? Is she on valium? What...I could understand taking valium, myGOD she has been thru Hell. But she's not the same, and to get more and keep attenion with the media she needs to return to strong mother.

Oh geez, I'm on the west coast USA, and this guy is now on Larry King replay. Mister hair comb, coiffed mustache, pink tie and all.

There is a difference in "difference of opinion" and foolish bashing and name calling just to create controversy and to gain attention, Reader2. Most of us can tell the difference in the two...

Good night 'all....

Store security huh?...I swore he said something about the FBI...this voice tech thing of his..does he have a patent for it?...has any PD or LE agency ever used it?

Here some of you go again ... slamming the Twitty's. I can assure you ... Beth and Jug have nothing more on their mind than finding Natalee, dead or alive. How dare any of you question their motives! If it weren't for them, I don't believe anyone would be under suspicion. They got down their, sought answers, and have been relentless. Yes ... maybe T.J was a bad move, but I don't believe we can question anything else they have done. And I seriously doubt Jug wanted Dave questioned in Natalee's disappearnce. Step back ... take a deep breath ... and remember, it's all about finding justice for Natalee. Keep all of the Holloway-Twitty crew in your thoughts and prayers! God knows they need it.

Amen, MBM2! well said..

TJJ,

I have noticed the change in Beth. She has lost alot of weight as well. I mother died three years ago, and I was sick as hell from grief. I seemed to have a spurt of energy at first and was able to take care of matters at hand, but it was hard, and you are so tired when you are dealing with the loss of a loved one.

Hi Dan,
As one new to your blog, specifically and blogs, in general, and only participated due to Natalee's disappearance, I have found your blog smart, well-researched and dedicated to being a source of information. Thank you. I've also found many of the comments insightful and thought-provoking in a positive way. I have also found them hard to read due to the caustic, negative and sometimes hateful comments, both on- and off-topic. I find that sad, when you have provided such a terrific forum for info sharing and discussion. Thank you for this forum.

As for TJ Ward, I share the thought that it's just such a shame ambulance chasers of all varieties come out after a tragedy to gain their 15 minutes of fame and book deal. What parasites of pain. It boggles the mind that anyone could take such advantage of this situation; then again, I know it happens all the time.

Why they are probably draining the "pond". There is a "new" head of the investigation who does not know what he is doing and is subject to pressure from people like Jossy Mansur. Jossy "salted the pond" with a "witness" that he dug up in the criminal element that he knows a heck of alot about. Not saying the gardner is in the criminal element. But if the "witness" had been a friend, neighbor, or associate of the father of the guy in jail on weapons and/or drug charges, he would be more believeable to me. A gardner is about like a butler or upstairs maid to me. Tell them what you want them to say and they will say it if your coach them enough.

Hey READER2

A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON PARTED.

WHY is EVERYONE around the Twitty family a flake -- TJ, Mary Ann Whatshername?

BECAUSE BHT IS A FLAKE!!! There's something SERIOUSLY wrong with that woman!
-------------------------------------
Since it is noneofyourbiz

For the record - if my daughter were missing for 2 months and I got the run around from a foreign government - A FLAKE would be the nicest thing anyone could say about me. I think I would be more along the lines of ' ONE POSTAL MOTHER"

Try not to let your narcissism get the best of you.

k


who hired this guy? beth or jug? does anyone know? so are they going to fire him now? don't they see him on tv conmstantly blabbing? I htought it odd as secrective as the twittys are that they had a pi who talked soooo much.....and today of course whe his eye witness said she could not remember anythign about the car when he just said two dyas ago she id'd it to a t - did he just make this up? does ANYONE involved in this case tell the truth????????????

many gardners or porters or housekeepers are merely hard working people trying to earn a living. I don't believe they are all followers....maybe this one is a good, but frightened guy and the info he provided will be the break the family has been waiting for.

Why they are probably draining the "pond". There is a "new" head of the investigation who does not know what he is doing and is subject to pressure from people like Jossy Mansur. Jossy "salted the pond" with a "witness" that he dug up in the criminal element that he knows a heck of alot about. Not saying the gardner is in the criminal element. But if the "witness" had been a friend, neighbor, or associate of the father of the guy in jail on weapons and/or drug charges, he would be more believeable to me. A gardner is about like a butler or upstairs maid to me. Tell them what you want them to say and they will say it if your coach them enough.

Posted by: Jessie | July 30, 2005 01:00 AM

i AM SERIOUSLY STARTING TO THINK jOSSY KNOWS WHERE NATALEE IS AND IS TRYING TO GET THE INVESTIGATION OFF TRACK WITH ALL THESE BS WITNESSES oops sorry for caps

Beth is going through the normal and painful process of the tragic and unforseen loss of a loved one...and the particulars of this case make it all the more tragic and painful...as long as there was no confession, body or forensic evidence..NH was still alive..for the sake of all lets hope something happens soon...the stage after that will be even harder...

Have none of you ever lost a loved one? Have you never felt not only the emotional pain, but the real physical pain that one goes through under these circumstances? This woman deserves all our sympathy. And to have it all play out on international news! We can have no idea of her pain.

morristhepat
I understand this, I lost my husband (auto accident) 1 year after losing my mother to cancer.
Mom's death was long and drawn out. Iunderstand all this and have exerienced it, but there is something different I feel from Beth.. It's not a loss.
It's just personal feelings, but something more is being sensed from her. I hope all ends well for her, but I am uneasy with it lately.
More at a loss, when it comes to Beth.. Not sure who she is anymore, she has changed so.
Don't take that as bad, I have just seen the change, something I am sure many have see... WHY?

MBMom2..I agree with you! I always read here but never post but I just had to over this. As a mom of 2..I know I would be just like Beth and do whatever I thought I had to do find my daughter. This could be to hire a PI, offer the rewards, bring in the search teams, put up posters, give bracelets or just pray. There is just no way you can fault them for trying the PI or anything else and who knows maybe they want him (PI) to stir things up! This has been too long. I pray that they will get answers soon.

The gardner is likely a nice hardworking laborer who needs his job. Don't forget that the father of the kid in jail is said to be a relative of Jossy Mansur.

They are not just draining this pond. They have cordoned it off, have police on site to secure it, appear to working on it day and night and have helicopters flying over it. There must be something more at work her than just a guy who saw the three in the general area. As far as Jossy manufacturing witnesses is concerned, where is the evidence of this? TJ Hooker, on the other hand, seems to have pulled one out on thin air.

I odnt think anyone is faulting beth for hiring this guy tio help but are wondering why they are keeping him now? maybe jug is calling the shots I odn't know but I still say aomething is off here maybe it is with Jug I odn't know there have been so many half truths and false leads and wild goose chases in this case who knows what the real deal is anymore I am exhausted of it and it is not even my daughter

PVDS is Dutch...Mansur is said to be Lebanese...can we confirm?

TJ Hooker, on the other hand, seems to have pulled one out on thin air.

Posted by: mick | July 30, 2005 01:09 AM

quite funny lol

From what I have heard TJ Ward, and others say, he has guys who work for him, out in the field, so to speak, while he concentrates on the media aspect of being a PI. It is also my understanding, that he misinterpreted what his interpreter told him the witness was saying. Now that is a big mistake. But surely the Aruban authorities (I use that term loosely) would not be draining that pond on the sloppy work of TJ and his witness. I think we have to throw in some heavy duty influence from Mr. Masur. He seems to be the loudest voice out there, and frankly, he is creepy.

It is also my understanding, that he misinterpreted what his interpreter told him the witness was saying. Now that is a big mistake. But surely the Aruban authorities (I use that term loosely) would not be draining that pond on the sloppy work of TJ and his witness. I think we have to throw in some heavy duty influence from Mr. Masur. He seems to be the loudest voice out there, and frankly, he is creepy.

Posted by: sleuth | July 30, 2005 01:12 AM

if this is the same witness tj ward spoke of in this subdivision he said "she id'd the car to a "T" describing it exactly even the custom taillights and nobody else but deepak has those on aruba - I went back and showed her a picture of the car and she was sure it was them" so how do you misinterpret that????

TJJ,

Can you elaborate. Sorry, I'm PDST, so just signed on a little while ago, and just can't go back a read all.

My thought - I see Beth every evening on Greta - she has noticibly lost weight (I dropped 30 pounds in 2 months frighteningly when my mom died). I see a desparate woman, yes, using the media, to do everything she can to get her daughter back. I think I would do the same, if I had the strength. Don't know if I would have that kind of strength.

I know I changed when my mom died. If I'd ever lose a child, well, it would be just too much. Don't you think we would all become unrecognizable to friends/family if we were going through this horror? Let alone to those here who don't even know this family except from what we've seen in the past 2 months.

Anyone who questions why they are working 24 hours draining this pond know nothing about nature. Ground water is seeping into the pumped area every second. If they don't keep pumping that baby 24 hours a day is going to continue to collect water seeping in.
And what about if it rains before they are finished with their pumping and serach?

If NH was in the pond, she would have to be near the edge...buried along the bank that was exposed when the water level was low....try digging a hole in muck with 2 inches of water ...as soon as you dig some out...the water and silt flow back in...I think only chance here was evidence...tools for digging a grave...personal property...possible a weapon...

The media aspect of being a PI? I always thought the media aspect of being a PI was to stay out of it. I don't think they are draining the pond because of this PI guy or Jossy Mansur. I'm wondering if they have inside info from one of the suspects. They don't have that excavator in there for no good reason. They apparently believe something or someone is in there. otherwise they would just pump it out, have a look around, walk the dogs through it and move on. I notice that they don't seem to be moving on.

The media aspect of being a PI? I always thought the media aspect of being a PI was to stay out of it.


my htoughts exactly I was surprised jug even ananounced they hired anyone I owuld think it would be kept quiet.......and I would thinka p.i. would want it kept quiet I thought they were supposed to be sneaky and not all in your face and definitely not on tv everywhere

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