9PM Update From Aruba

Could only reach limited sources, cell phone connections to Aruba continue to be worst I've seen in a month. Others report similar problems. There are a few additinal contacts I'd like to reach to flesh out this brief report - but it's from very reliable sources.

Most if not all of the Twitty-Holloway family members were going to come home over the weekend, according to the report the EquuSearch team may have been suggesting Beth and Jug not leave just now. There is no confirmation that means anything, even if true.

Apparently some underwater areas in need of additional searching had high seas today and could not be completely searched.

I've previously reported that emotions seem to ebb and flow on the island. A recent report suggests they are running very high again and there is increasing animosity between the government and family of Natalee Holloway. On the one hand, one source suggests the government is tired of her "demands," and, on the other hand, it's being reported that the family still feels there is a cover up and a lack of full co-operation on the part of the Aruban government.

It has been suggested to me that the family of Natalee Holloway could "come out swinging" very soon in terms of its public statements on issues at hand. That had been reported to me by another source almost a week ago, but it didn't materialize to the level anticipated.

What I did hear differently this time was that, if it did happen, the government could swing back and the situation could begin to grow very ugly. I'm continueing to try and reach out to other reliable sources on the island for their viewpoints and known facts. To add on to what I said above as regards certain sources, the sources consulted for this update are highly credible and completely objective.

Comments

[MsDarthVada]

thomasq???

If you read my post, I was merely suggesting that since they are handling this investigation in the manner that they are,,,,,,then just produce the girl and we'll all go home and aruba can go back to their ways....

[ralf]

The truths and the theories will realized in time.

However it is becoming obvious to me that time and timeline is of consequence.

I have read alot of negative things pertaining to people no longer having desire in visiting Aruba. Conversely there are those who are in defense.

I think the fear associated with this is not necessarily that of one being harmed or killed in Aruba, it is the fear that if something did in fact happen, that it could possibly take quite some time for resolution.

This is apparently qualified over and over by those who state that this is the process of the judicial system in Aruba.

This in of itself I believe is the fear that tourists would have.

Now, should it come out that from almost day one it was realized that Natalee was killed, then I believe that this would disturb a great many people.

The time and effort put into the hopeful rescue of this poor girl was all along for naught - when the authorities knew all along.

Each night the family and friends prayers for a happy ending was for naught, when a few in power knew otherwise.

Everyone led to believe there was hope, when in fact there was none.

That to me is a big crime in of itself.

I had always wondered why the FBI sent in people, with more to come with search dogs, then all of a sudden they leave. Did they too know?

Sure, every country has its crime, sure anything can happen anywhere, and when only those who perpetrated the crimes are in the know, then they are hunted down.

But when the authorities know the truth, and let everyone think that there is still hope - then my friends, I have a tough time understanding this.

I certainly hope in time that all will be revealed - and as such, there is a damn good reason for what has taken place all this time.

[aitanna]

Why is the idea that Natalee was kidnapped and taken far away, and I mean far away that far-fetched? why do you think that her mother and step-father and et al, all know there is something bigger and more awful about Natalee than what we have read and seen so far, that to divulge it on the world media would mean death to them or something worse? she has repeatedly said that she knows something and she has been advised not to say anything.

In a post I sent in last week (which by the way was taken out, and I am no troll..)I said the same thing.
There is no body and Natalee is not on the island and they keep searching hoping to find her remains. The VDS are corrupt and full of themselves because they think that what they have done is not going to come back and hit them in the face...at least not for a while. They know what they have done and they strut around like peacocks taking pride in what they have done, so either they all are psycopaths or they are in debt to those who have Natalee. To talk or cave in means losing the money they have badly-earned.

Why do you all think that the 3 under custody have said nothing? selling white girls is a way of life and a means to obtain easy money for some "people" but the people who are involved in this are heartless, and if you betray them you pay with your life, that is why Paul Van der Sloot is being so careful; and lets face this, we can all conjecture and think about what happened till we are blue in the face, we can blog till we are all exhausted, but the fact remains that we were not there and we are back at the beginning, only Natalee and those who were with her know what truly happened.

I grieve for her mother and father because losing a child is the worst pain in the world, but at least you know that she/he died, but what about when they go missing like Natalee or like Shasta's brother, that you do not know how they, where they are and if you will EVER lay eyes on them again...attaining closure is near impossible. I hope I am wrong, I hope that Natalee surfaces, but then again, only time will tell.

Blessed Be.
Aitanna

[michele in bham]

Bamamom, you are quoting from that false email.

Do us all a favor and stop.

Natalee didn't lose any of her dad's money. She didn't take any of her dad's money.

[michele in bham]

Isn't the hearing Monday, to see if Joran is kept in jail longer?

I doubt that Marcia Twitty was considering going home this weekend.

SOme of the others might have been, but they have all been going back and forth as time and money permits.

Also, if anyone donates to the Amsouth trust fund, make sure you say that it's for living expenses for the family.

[rosemarie]

First, I like to address the comment made by "tideroller" about taking it all night etc.
This kind of expressions whatever the question was prior to his answer is not necessary in a very serious topic. Each one of us is free to be whatever we chose to be, but hey! let us have some respect to other readers that are concerned and having serious talk about this tragedy.

To move on to the comments of NH, no, the parents should not leave the Island until they have a final result to all this tragedy they are going through. I imagine by now they know they will only find a body, if they find one. But need to have some kind of closure. The sea might send her back to shore, like in the case of Laci Peterson. She and her baby were found ashore, after the tide deposited them where the husband had been "fishing" the day she dissappeared. I hope in this case, they find something soon, not after four months, it would be next to impossible for the family to stay in Aruba that long. But on the other hand, if these individuals do not get charged this coming week, how can they just pick up and go? I read the blogs here but I do not answer until today. I see so many people just making chat room jokes on such sad matter.
I do believe these three men did something very bad, and the main player is this Joran. The other two might be accomplices and even might have been present if not participants to whatever they did to NH. The father knows, even helped them, the mother knows but she is protecting her husband and her baby suckling, even if she knows what a wrong inmoral thing it is to do so. The father as a judge, should be disbarred after taking part in this horrible crime, instead of revealing the authorities what he knows, as a matter of concience and as a lawman, no matter if its his son, his mother or his wife. Only by declaring the truth, all these persons involved will be able to live with themselves, although, who knows? do they have a soul and a concience?

[Lake]

Some may be taking a too limited view of the girl's mother's statement regarding kidnapping. Keep in mind that if one gives another a drug with the intent of gaining and maintaining control of the person because the drug took away the person's will to resist, that is kidnapping in the U.S.

[JustMe]

Can anyone shed some light on why JVDS kept getting into fights with the MBHS students?

According to Scared Monkeys he got into a fight with one of them at the HI the first night the kids were on Aruba. A night or two later he mixed it up with some of them at C&C's.

What was he doing that caused the MBHS students and JVDS to have it out twice?

[JustMe]

Can anyone shed some light on why JVDS kept getting into fights with the MBHS students?

According to Scared Monkeys he got into a fight with one of them at the HI the first night the kids were on Aruba. A night or two later he mixed it up with some of them at C&C's.

What was he doing that caused the MBHS students and JVDS to have it out twice?

[CancunGirl]

aitanna:

What you have said makes perfect sense. I believe it is a very good theory. I am one of those who is not sure that Natalee is dead, like so many others seem to be.

I think the VDS's are a family that get away with anything in the past, that is why they believed Natalee's disappearance would be a story that would go away eventually "with no body, no case" as PVDS has said. But they never bargained there would be a mother like Beth, who jumped on a private plane and was in Aruba the same day Natalee didn't make her flight. Who would have thought? Probably not the VDS's. So now, this story has become bigger than the VDS's prestige, than the Aruban mafia, than the Aruban drug trafficking, why? Because Beth WILL NOT LEAVE without her daughter, dead or alive. The only reason all of these seedy secrets are being unveiled, is because of the determination of ONE mother. That is why this story has not faded, because of Beth's relentlessness and her unending crusade to get Natalee.

CancunGirl

[Ursus80]

This question is for those of you who may know but specifically Dan. Dan, why can't someone on Aruba, including any of your contacts or others, not chime in directly on the blog? are they afraid of repercussions? Just wondering?

[housemouse]

Ursus80, that is a good question.

[Ursus80]

I mean it only seems to make sense to me that someone on the Island would have access to the internet be it at home or a cafe, and could directly say what is going on, but I fear that if things are as they seem there then it would be very unsafe for someone to do so as the results might be very violent for them and their family!

[tideroller]

Dan - I was wondering what in the world Rosemarie
could be alluding to until I looked scrolled back and saw two filthy posts that were not made by me. You know me by now that I never use profanity and I never speak of filth. I am one of the cleanest posters on the board. There are two postings at 9:45 and 9:46, I believe. Please erase them and I request that you ban whoever made them and if possible, I would like to know who is posting in my name. Thank you so much.
Rosemarie - Hope this clears things up. Trollers like to do this type of thing to discredit responsible posters!

[wreck]

tideroller, that was "corny" and/or Tsunder and Dan has already banned their IP.

[Lake]

Regarding any statements by the students from MHS concerning that night at C&C. The statements could be coming from a kid that was knee walking drunk. That seems to be the condition of a lot of patrons when the leave that establishment.

[Jacque]

That is a good point. Are there no Arubans posting on this blog?

[bamawings]

As has often been said, parents should not have to bury a child. It is just not supposed to happen that the chiild dies before the parent. Unless you have lost a child, you do not have any idea of the pain that brings. Unelss you have a child you cannot even conceive of what Beth is going through. I do not know how she has managed to hold up through this. She appeared to be very fragile in that interview and I think that Jug realizes that. Day after day has gone by with seemingly little progress and unfortunately, there does not appear to be much light at the end of the tunnel. From their perspective there does not appear to be anything more than there was weeks ago. The level of frustration has to be quite high. Frankly, the Aruban police have not come off as being very competent. Frankly, I am not certain that I would have been as patient as she has been. Let's give the lady a break. If you don't want to hear her or aobut this story then change the channel and stay off this sight.

[Lurker]

Proudredneck,

McWane has paid ransom in the past? TO WHOM? and FOR WHAT?

Who is Drummond?

[Lurker]

"Yes, they have to begin looking for the living, I think she just is walking among the islanders"

Yeah, with her fair skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes and not speaking their language she should fit right in! [rolleyes]

[dallasalley]

We won't know anything else until monday

[Lurker]

SO WHAT if F-16s are based on Curacao?! Flyovers over Aruba should be easy enough. Aruba is a tiny island; it makes sense to base them on Curacao.

You people are getting all upset over MINUTIAE, which is why you can't focus on the important stuff that MATTERS!!

[Phantom]

Yeah, with her fair skin, blonde hair, and blue eyes and not speaking their language she should fit right in! [rolleyes]

Posted by: Lurker | July 3, 2005 12:06 AM

Not mention the $150,000 that a person would get for her safe return.

[Lurker]

Michele in Bham,

Just because there are falsehoods in the e-mail doesn't mean it's a BOGUS E-MAIL! MANY facts contained therein were later substantiated!!

That e-mail is LEGIT and just happens to contain the boys' LIES.

[michele in bham]

Hey Lurker, that email is totally bogus and you are not very smart if you fall for it.

[michele in bham]

Hey Lurker, that email is totally bogus and you are not very smart if you fall for it.

[Lake]

Big problem with this case (other than not being able to find NH dead or alive of course) is that if the authorities arrested every male local and tourist in Aruba that had sex with a female under the influence of alcohol and/or drugs they would need a MUCH larger prison there. And if a drug were involved (other than a strictly date rape drug)there would be the matter of proving that the victim did not take the drug of her on free will. It is possible (but maybe not probable) the boys got rid of the body simply because they did not want to be associated with being with a female dead from a bad reaction to a drug when they were in the secluded place they were just to have sex with the girl. And then once they lied about it to start with, the only ones that are going to believe them after their first lie is their parents. Maybe the police have some evidence that will point to what really happened.

[aitanna]

CanCunGirl:

Thank you for your post. I think that all you said also makes perfect sense, and lets face it, the world is full of horrendous individuals who go through life making the life of others a living hell for whatever motive they decide on
(I personally believe that someone who kills, rapes, tortures, kidnaps, is not in his right mind, cannot be in his right mind...just think for a minute if you could do it, cold-bloodedly terminate the life of another human being...those of us in our right mind don't do it because we think and we control ourselves, we are not animals like many are (in this context I put Father and son Van der Sloot, if we were to dig in their lives and in that of the mother we would not like what we would find).
Unfortunately for them this whole thing blew up in their faces, they did not contend with Beth, a mother like few I have seen, whose determination to find her daughter should teach others to act likewise, because a child is a precious gift. Neither did the VDS think that Beth and Jug would receive the support of extended family and friends and the world, it is not fair that Natalee go missing and that it be dismissed, which is what they were hoping for.

The VDS thought they would be able to get away with murder (metaphorically speaking) if they are linked to the mafia, to drug-lords, to the sub-world, they thought they would be safe from it, that they would be protected from all, but were not able to imagine the attention this event has received. They did not consider that there was a power greater than theirs.

I am not saying anything new, just trying to point out that bad people are easy to distinguish if you are paying attention, if you are observant evil lurks around them, just like it does with Joran and his father, they look like mafia, they exude something unwholesome, something rotten, (to make a point I would invite you to look at the pic of the step-grandmother who killed Matel in Oregon, look at her picture and tell me what she looks like)...we cannot escape who we are, and if you do something bad it will come back to haunt you, not immediately, but it will come.

Like I said before, we do not know what happened, only Natalee and those terrible 3, but we do know that her mom and family, and the Aruban Government and all those involved in this sad case know more than what has been said in the media--sometimes the whole truth can do more damage and bring more danger to those around it; and many things are at stake, Beth and her family's sanity and closure, Aruba and her credibility and the world in tenterhooks, praying, watching, helping and wondering how something so awful could happen to Natalee and if it could happen to you or yours...

I sincerely hope that justice prevails and that Aruba wakes up and realizes that she will be in a mess for the rest of her existence if she does not abide by the rules and act accordingly...I would love it if somebody from the Aruban government read the blogs posted here and learned a thing or two, they need to be brought down many notches and to understand once and for all that the US is a magnificent opponent and a World Power...Aruba,Do not mess with the U.S.A.

Blessed Be.
Aitanna

[rosemarie]

to tideroller:

sorry for someone snatching your name and use it for filth. I am glad you clarified it was not you, and for the other topic, let us hope for the best for the Holloway family. Thank you.

[hardyandtiny]

"It is possible (but maybe not probable) the boys got rid of the body simply because they did not want to be associated with being with a female dead from a bad reaction to a drug when they were in the secluded place "

That's impossible because Joran admitted to being dropped off alone with her at the beach.

[Mary]

If NATALLE IS STILL ALIVE, well this is what i believe too!

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=73437

[PT]

Well,

One concern I have tried to point out at an earlier date is the information people from Alabama have been giving on this blog states that Natalee's family has money and that is how they have been successfully getting a lot of notice. However, there was a drive set up to collect money for Mrs. Twitty to stay in Aruba. It might appear the family asked for money they don't really need? When I made that conflict observation, I wrote and someone stated that Mrs. Twitty might want to buy a house in Aruba to continue to harrass the VDS family. It is possible island people could see the Twitty family drive for money as shady, such as an attempt to take advantage of this situation in a monetary kind of way or harrassment or ? The island people are probably already skeptical due to the media coverage, knocking with Mrs. Twitty, resulting in in character assasinations, insults of their government, misleading information and aggression that is not typical of the island people every day life. I really believe it would benefit everyone to work together to find Natalee without coming across as harrassing. We all want to find Natalee and what truthfully happened to her. At the same time we just not long ago invaded Iraq and should consider if this all out attack on Aruba is really called for or just getting to be habit? This a missing girl case and for now three boys ARE in jail. The situation is still being investigated. It is possible, due to the money issue, the accusations about the government, aggression of the press, etc. that the Arubans will have to do something to restore some kind of normalacy on the island. It is also possible, hopefully, to find Natalee, the truth of what happened, and determine the fair outcome for all parties.

PT

[A concerned Mom]

Just my Canadian thought. Let Joran van der Sloot go,and watch how fast the Kalpoe brothers sing. They are not going to do the time for his crime. I think he got them involved after she was dead.

[concerned mom]

Just my Canadian thought. Let Joran van der Sloot go,and watch how fast the Kalpoe brothers sing. They are not going to do the time for his crime. I think he got them involved after she was dead.

[texas05]

maybe it is hard to stay at the holiday inn day in and day out.

[Concerned Father]

As a concerned parent and one who feels the loss of this child, I cannot help but wonder just how much coaching Joran's father has done to bring this investigation to such a standstill. Is it possible the Aruban officials can be so ineptor so biased in favor of one of their own? My own opinion is that Joran drugged her, had his way and when things were not right for him he did away with Natalie...the father of course entered to help the "poor" boy hide his mistake.