I came upon this site tonight and found myself hoping that, unlike perhaps the other pictures, one day Natalee's will be taken down. And in reality, seeing the site should stop the talk of Aruba being an island of missing people, let alone young women. The site doesn't give the impression that this is a major problem there at all.
But that, like some facts in this case, and even Natalee herself, remain but open questions. Reader DMorgan sent along some questions tonight that got me thinking about that issue. The first question listed below is from D ... the rest are ones I have been thinking about.
I don't mean to imply that some of them aren't being asked, or haven't been answered by the right people. And perhaps a difference in legal systems is causing more distress than it should in American followers of the case, as we aren't acustomed to the way the Dutch handle their investigations. But, as mentioned here, there is also at least some fair criticism to be made of what we've seen so far. See second half of post below.
So, here are some of D's and my questions ... if you have your own, feel free to leave in the comments section.
Cell phone? Every high school senior has a cell phone. What's up with her cell phone records?
D didn't mention the boy's cell phone records from the night in question - what do they reveal, if anything?
The last known sighting of the three boys was approximately 1AM when they left Carlos and Charlies. When is the first time each can clearly account for his time after that. I've heard nothing as to when they showed up again. The timeline has to be reduced from 1AM to plane boarding time the next day.
If a Fox report is true, they are not conducting DNA tests on the fluid found in the car. If true, that's impossible for me to comprehend unless the fluid has been matched to one of the boys. If organic, it's composition can be identified. If not, what was it?
Are any of the boys marked by scratches, cuts, etc? Anything normally associated with a struggle?
What other trace evidence has the car given up? Hair or fiber associated with Natalee? We know she was in the car, surely there would be something. Too much could suggest a struggle ... too little a thorough cleaning.
Did no one attempt to wake Natalee for the flight, or seek her out? Her bags were in her hotel room and I can't believe anyone expected her to go from CandC to wherever, then directly to the airport.
Given that if there was a dumping of a body off the beaten path, or near the water - the tires of the vehicle might have held some material - sand, dirt, etc...which could identify a particular part of the island that was visited recently by a driver of the car. Yet, the car was allowed to remain unimpounded for days ... was this investigation botched from the start and now doomed without a confession?
Precisely how much alcohol was consumed at CandC by all involved that night? Were there bills, recollections from employees beyond the vague "drank a lot" talk we've heard? Have the boys been given drug tests, given that some remain in the bloodstream for a long time?
If the familes of the suspects believe in their sons innocence, why haven't a one of them, so far as I know, come forward to express their sadness at these seemingly tragic events? Van der Sloot's parents particularly have been mum - the Father seems not to exist and the Mother only has spoken of her son. Does she feel nothing for Natalee's family? And if so, why not at least release a statement if she really feels her son is innocent in all this? Or have I missed it? Perhaps I did.
How is it that this "popular" boy Joran, a well-known "high school" student was apparently allowed to move in and around the islands bars and casinos like an adult?
Those are just some of my questions ... I hope the authorities have more and even better ones for which they are seeking answers. Feel free to leave your own in the comments section, if you'd like.
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Yeah Rick is really looking at the whole picture, he even has the emigration numbers of Dutch moving to Canada for you. Except no one knows what it has to do with Natalee.
If you think this proves that the Netherland are a place of racism, think again. I already told you emigration is more influenced by lack of space and high taxes and maybe you should get hold of immigration numbers too.
Posted by: sus | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 01:57 PM
Does anyone see any situation in which this girl is still alive?
Posted by: crs | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 02:07 PM
sus, the emigration figures have nothing to do with the case, you're right. But if I recall correctly (by going back to review the posts), you were the one who started pointing out his American bias and then somehow the whole discussion turned to culture and racism (the point of the emigration numbers is that the Netherlands is not necessarily the liberal paradise it has been portrayed to be - looking at the immigration data, you'll notice that a significant number is muslim, which in itself has been reported to be creating growing tensions in the Netherlands).
In any case, all of the above is irrelevant. We're all drawing subjective conclusions because we have little or no facts to be making objective conclusions. The misinformation or plain lack of information is to blame.
Having been raised in the islands, my own subjective conclusion is that there's work behind the scenes to protect these 3 boys, or work out the best deal possible for them. That's a problem, because no one should be above the law. Aruba seems to be such a laid back island, I wonder where's the outrage in the 2 security guards still being falsely imprisoned? Assuming that these 2 guys are free and clear, I hope they get some kind of compensation for having gone through this.
Posted by: Getagrip | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 02:25 PM
Apperantly you are used to getting more information during an investigation. In the Dutch system it's normal to give the public almost no information, wrong information however is very annoying I can understand that.
Posted by: sus | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 02:33 PM
I have a bad feeling that "getagrip" may be correct and behind the scenes a deal is being worked out for these jackasses and that the authorities may already know exactly what happened and may have even gone so far as to recover the body....the real interest in this story is in America and we have no jurisdiction down there whatsoever so I could almost see them coming out at some point and saying they are going to serve a year or two and say well, this is how our system works in Aruba. This story is huge right now but will be forgotten in six months, we as americans have a terrible way of just moving on to the next story.
Posted by: crs | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 02:39 PM
A minor could get more than 2 years if there is a reason to convict him as an adult. Still then, the mamximum would be something like 8 years.
Posted by: sus | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 02:46 PM
Arashi (Malmok) is a wealthy neighborhood. So next to the beach of Arashi you have many rich people living. I think if they were kissing it would probably be closer to the Lighthouse. If Joran was driving or had his own car it's because children that come from a wealthy family think they have every right to break the law. His parents should be ashamed for letting him drink, party and drive if they have something to do with the justice department here in Aruba. They should know better. I think this three had something to do with her dissapearance and they are using the guards to cover for what they did. I think the police and investigators gave them enough time to clean and think of what they should say in this matter. Why weren't they detained in the beginning is the same questions that the Aruban community is asking. But the three are feeling the pressure and I don't think it will take too long. Someone is going to speak up or commit suicide. I think Joran took his web account down, because he suspected that the authorities were coming after them.
Posted by: Aruban | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 02:48 PM
Can you people please stop this ridiculous flame war about who has the better system of justice? There is a girl missing and a family in agony. This thread is supposed to be here to discuss the case, not so your dueling egos can compete in a game of one-upmanship. Perspective, people, perspective.
Posted by: Mig | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 02:54 PM
Is the theory among most Arubans that this was a case of a party gone to far, in other words, a case where either Joran wanted to have sex with this gril and she didn't and he was embarrassed in front of his friends or possibly he wanted her to have sex with the two brothers after finishing with her and she didn't or do Arubans have another theory?
Posted by: crs | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 02:54 PM
To Aruban- What do most arubans think happened?
Posted by: crs | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 03:06 PM
Wow. This has turned into a very heated debate that doesn't have much to do with the topic but...as a southern, conservative, 21 year old who went to a school a lot like natalee's and has a lot of friends who went to that school I'd like to offer a little perspective about 17 year old boys. Even in the US where the drinking age is 21, there are a lot of 17 year olds who drink - A LOT. In fact I know some guys who started drinking and smoking pot in 8th grade so that would be what 14 right? A lot of guys, especially high school guys think it is cool to talk about how many girls they hook up with and who they hook up with. Guys can also get pretty aggressive with each other when they are messing around. I don't think it is unusual AT ALL that these guys were at a bar or going to casinos. That happens all the time and even happens here a lot. I'm sure everyone knows about the huge fake ID problem and there are plenty of bars known for being lenient on IDs everywhere and I'm guessing that C and C was probably not that strict but I have no clue I am just guessing.
Having said that, in my opinion I think Joran is guilty and definitely knows something. In all his pictures he looks really confident and arrogant and he is a relatively good looking guy so I am sure he is probably used to having girls like him/flirt with him, etc. Even before Natalee's parents said he was cocky, that was blatantly obvious from the pictures. I'm wondering why the other two brothers aren't being talked about it. I know that Joran was the one who was "intimate" or whatever that means with her but they were still in the car were they not??
I think it is very sad that so much time has been wasted and that these boys were not arrested earlier. If this had happened in the US I think we would definitely have more answers by now. But we have also had a lot more experience with these types of cases. I mean Aruba is a tiny land mass and if reports are correct has hardly any crime. Why would they know what they are doing? But I thought the FBI was there helping with investigations so what are they doing?
A lot of people are getting very offended when people say that the Aruban police is unsophisticated but really they have had no experience so why would they be sophisticated? I mean I think that my cities' police force is probably not as sophisticated as say Washington D.C.'s because we just don't have that kind of crime.
Anyway, I feel very sorry for the family and that poor girl. I think this is going to change senior trips forever. I know my parents would not have let me go on my senior trip if something like this had happened. I don't think it is that strange that they students didn't report anything sooner. They probably came home from the bar, passed out, and got up in the morning to get to the airport. I know on my senior trip also people didn't spend the night in their own rooms and often stayed with friends or guys in other rooms. The sketchy part is that she went by herself with these guys - I would have thought that she would have at least tried to get a friend to go with her. That's really strange to me.
Posted by: tnteen | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 03:15 PM
ok, let's not knock the young girl and assume she has a history that her family is hiding! the girl was on vacation, having a good time and SOMETHING BAD HAPPENED!! i think that there was some partying going on, something bad happened and the 3 young guys freaked and covered it up. would it have made a difference if the police kept them from the beginning? would that have made them confess? did all the time between intial talking to them and taking them into custody just give them time to decide they will never tell..especially if it was an accident, because who would believe it now????
and Natalee's friends that watched her leave with the 3 young guys?? what do they have to say about it? and why didn't anyone notice she was gone before being at the airport? did this girl really have any friends? why didn't they start saying first thing in the morning "where is natalee". everything i've read and heard says they discovered she was missing after arriving at the airport... yes they were adults but if chaperones went, why? didn't they do a head count earlier than at the airport???
this is a huge mess! i feel for her parents and hope for their sake to get closure on this sooner than later... if ever.....
Posted by: micki | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 03:17 PM
On my senior trip we went to the bahamas and had chaperones but they were really there just in case there was an emergency. This was made VERY clear to our parents and to us so I am sure that is why Natalee's parents are not blaming the chaperones at all. They aren't responsible for head counts, etc. In fact, I only remember seeing my chaperones once when some of us were drinking one afternoon before dinner. They really are only there in case of an emergency.
I am wondering the same thing about why she left alone without anyone and why her friends let her leave. I don't think that because she left alone it means she had no friends. It sounds like she was given the date rape drug or something in her drink because it sounds like she wasnt a huge partyer. But like I said, senior trips can get sort of wild esp. with places like that (islands in the carribean with lots of tourism from "spring breaker" types) advertising alcohol specials, booze cruises, etc.
The importance of the authorities arresting the boys earlier is that: 1. the investigation could possibly be over now 2. the boys had time to get coached, figure out their stories, dispose of evidence 3. the poor security guards and their families would have been spared the trauma they have had to deal with
I'm sure there are more reasons and I think those are some pretty good ones.
Posted by: tnteen | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 03:28 PM
tnteen - I assume based on reading your postings that you either just graduated or are in your early years of college - correct me if I am wrong - having gone to college I remember it not being unusal at all for someone to meet someone at a party on a Friday night, hang out with them for a few hours and be comfortable enough in their own mind to catch a ride with the person they just met and not think twice particularly when they were drunk. I think she was just naive and felt comfortable with this guy and did not even think twice until it was too late.
Posted by: crs | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 03:48 PM
i understand completely about being young, naive and having a good time but does anyone know more about what Natalee's friends said was going on at the bar before she left with the 3 men? why did this van der sloot guy get into a shoving match with some of her classmates? any details on all of this?
also, i read on here that she also attended the Soul Festival that one of the former security guards said he attended? is this true?
Posted by: micki | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 03:56 PM
I also read this. The guard went there with his girlfriend. The "security guards" of same festival were also staying in the HI.
Posted by: Checkme | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 04:02 PM
I have heard one of her friends did ask her not to go but Natalee just kind of blew it off, like I'll be fine, I'll be back in just a few minutes. I heard about a shoving match but thought it was a few nights earlier but with people not related to her school. I have not heard about the Soul Festival link but I think as of now that the black guys were scape goats.
Posted by: crs | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 04:02 PM
I just graduated from college and yeah you are right about girls meeting guys at a party or bar and then going home with them/getting a ride. BUT most people know each other through friends or friends of friends - stuff like that. I am sure that Natalee felt safe with this guy ESPECIALLY since he looked nice enough and was the son of someone very wealthy on the island. He was also in high school and I bet she thought she was fine. We used to meet people and boys all the time when my friends and i went to the beach (fl) in high school and go to the beach, get in their cars, etc. We were in a really safe area but looking back on that in light of this situation it doesn't seem that responsible. Like Natalee I'm sure, we were very naive and as young girls pretty trusting of people our own age if they looked clean cut as bad as that sounds.
Especially since people are saying how sweet and apparently innocent Natalee is, this doesn't really surprise me that she would trust them and she had apparently hung out with them before. According to her parents/friends, she didn't party a lot, was smart, and had never had a serious boyfriend. I bet the guy drugged her and raped her and she put up a fight maybe. I don't know but I would be willing to bet that "intimate" was him trying to do more than she wanted to.
Posted by: tnteen | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 04:28 PM
I think for sure that was it came down too, was someone trying to go to far with this girl. I don't know any girls that even drunk would want to have sex with a guy in front of his two friends. I do think they got out of the car and all this happened on the beach. I think all of these guys wanted sex from her and I think one of them suffocated her to keep her from yelling. Its so sad, I hope it keeps another kid from doing something similar. Regardless, its important to remember none of this was her fault, it was the guys who ultimately did this.
Posted by: crs | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 04:39 PM
I bet this isn't the first time these boys have tried something like this - just the first time someonedied. It will be interesting to see if other girls come forward with a similiar story of being raped by these three............
Posted by: Tina | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 04:53 PM
Tina - I was thinking the same thing and was surprised another girl had not come forward but you know I bet if this did happen to another girl on vacation she probalby just wanted to go home and forget and to some extent pretend like it never happened to her. It seems like that is who this kid preyed on was young tourists. He is not that old though so maybe it was the first.
Posted by: crs | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 05:00 PM
The other thing that bothers me is her roommates at the hotel. Apparently no one noticed her missing until the airport. Did her roommates not notice her belongs still in the room as they departed for the airport? Not that it would have done much good but that would be the time to call attention to the chaperons. These were not just her roommates but her friends - I would have been frantic.
Posted by: Tina | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 05:07 PM
Someone is reporting on another board that one of the boys has confessed to killing her, this is not the news from Saturday. I am trying to find it myself.
Posted by: crs | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 05:13 PM
Natalee's mom had Natalee's cell phone set up to work internationally so Natalee could call if she were able. Mrs. Twitty said this early on. Don't know about the records.
Posted by: Ryan | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 06:17 PM
I wonder if the three young men had to be in at a certain time or if they were allowed to stay out all night. Consider this: they leave the bar and grill around 1 a.m., drive to the lighthouse, engage of some behavior there that causes the death of Natalee, find themselves having to cover up an unplanned murder/accident, manage to dispose of the body and concoct a story of what to say if anyone asks them...they do all that after 1 a.m., which means they got back to their homes in the very wee hours of the morning.
Posted by: Hudsunn | Monday, June 13, 2005 at 09:32 PM
I HAVE NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THE 3 BOYS KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALIE. IF SHE IS ALIVE THEN SHE IS NOT ON THE ISLAND. THIS CHARLIES PLACE IS A KNOW DRUG HAVEN AND MANY SUSPICIOUS CHARACTORS HANG OUT THERE. THERE ARE SEVERAL SENERIOUS HERE THAT COUDL HAVE HAPPENED TO NATALIE. ONE IF THESE BOYS COUDL HAVE BEEN APPROACHED IF NOT ALL BY A SEX TRADE PERSON AND BEEN TOLD IF THEY WOULD MEET THEM SOMEWHERE WITH THE GIRL THEY WOULD PAY THEM A LOT OF MONEY. THEY TOOK HER TO THEM AND SHE IS GONE TO COLOMBIA ARE ELSEWHERE AND IS KIDNAPPED.
THEY WERE PAID OFF. ANOTHER SENERIO IS THAT ALL 3 RAPED HER AND THEN KILLED HER AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY DID WITH THE BODY. COULD BE IN A DUMPSTER SOMEPLACE OR A LANDFILL...ARE THEY COULD HAVE BURIED HER IN THE BASEMENT OF A DESERTED HOUSE SOMEPLACE. THERE IS NOT TELLING. WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO HERE THEY SHOULD BE CRACKED TO TELL THE TRUTH. HELL, FOR ALL ANYONE KNOWS SHE COUDL BE IN THE HANDS OF TERRORIST AND MIGHT END UP IN IRAQ WITH HER HEAD CROPPED OFF. IT COULD BE ANYTHING.I JUST HOPE IT ENDS SOON. THIS NEEDS TO BE SETTLED. GOD BLESS HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
~ MARY ~ ATLANTA, GEORGIA
Posted by: MARY | Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 09:29 AM
I HAVE NO DOUBT IN MY MIND THAT THE 3 BOYS KNOW WHAT HAPPENED TO NATALIE.THE YOUNGEST IS A SLIMEBAG AS FAR AS I AM CONCERNED. IF SHE IS STILL ALIVE THEN SHE IS NOT ON THE ISLAND. THIS CHARLIES PLACE IS A KNOW DRUG HAVEN AND MANY SUSPICIOUS CHARACTERS HANG OUT THERE.IT SHOULD BE CLOSED DOWN. IT SPELLS TROUBLE FOR ALL THAT GO THERE. THERE ARE SEVERAL SENERIOUS HERE THAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO NATALIE. ONE IF THESE BOYS COULD HAVE BEEN APPROACHED IF NOT ALL BY A SEX TRADE PERSON AND BEEN TOLD IF THEY WOULD MEET THEM SOMEWHERE WITH THE GIRL THEY WOULD PAY THEM A LOT OF MONEY. THEY TOOK HER TO THEM AND SHE IS GONE TO COLOMBIA ARE ELSEWHERE AND IS KIDNAPPED.
THEY WERE PAID OFF. ANOTHER SENERIO IS THAT ALL 3 RAPED HER AND THEN KILLED HER WHETHER IT WAS ACCIDENTAL OR ON PURPOSE. PROBABLY ON PURCHASE. AND WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY DID WITH THE BODY. COULD BE IN A DUMPSTER SOMEPLACE OR A LANDFILL...ARE THEY COULD HAVE BURIED HER IN THE BASEMENT OF A DESERTED HOUSE SOMEPLACE. THERE IS NO TELLING. WHAT EVER HAPPENED TO HER THEY SHOULD BE CRACKED TO TELL THE TRUTH. HELL, FOR ALL ANYONE KNOWS SHE COULD BE IN THE HANDS OF TERRORIST AND MIGHT END UP IN IRAQ WITH HER HEAD CHOPPED OFF. IT COULD BE ANYTHING.I JUST HOPE IT ENDS SOON. THIS NEEDS TO BE SETTLED. GOD BLESS HER FAMILY AND FRIENDS.
~ MARY ~ ATLANTA, GEORGIA
Posted by: MARY | Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 09:33 AM
First of all May God watch over Natalee H. and to give her parents and families force to continue with the search on their daughter. I can't imagine how hard it must be not finding my daughter on a small island. But still we can't accuse anyone without any evidence. We have to find out what really happend before accusing someone. The people on Aruba are good people. Their economy is based on tourism. So that is why we have different bars like Carlos and Charlies for the tourist and locals. If we are talking about drugs, you can get drugs anywhere you go(on this planet). So I really don't think that Aruba is the drug island etc. Believe me this is a SHOCK for the locals on Aruba and they would do anything to find Natalee H. I just hope that they find her and soon. The island is to small to hide. Indira from Aruba.
Posted by: Indira | Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 10:25 AM
Why can't everybody stop speculating, in fact, nothing is certain. There's no killer yet, there's not even a body? Just a missing girl, lots and lots of rumours and three suspects who might know where she is.
Is it so hard to stick to the facts?
Posted by: Han | Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 12:56 PM
Sad fact is, the facts will probably never be revealed (not even after a trial), as in the case of Laci Peterson. Right now people are voicing their concern by speculating - it is human nature.
Posted by: Sam | Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 02:01 PM
First I want to say I may God be with the teen's family at this time. I can't even imagine what they are going through.
Just a couple of comments:
1) I do not understand why her friends let her leave with three strangers that night, I don't care if they had been partying with them all night. Friends need to look out for one another, especially in a foreign country.
2) It does sound like the Aruban government is really messing up this investigation. I cannot believe they did not detain these three from the beginning.Could it be because they knew this punk's Dad was a higher up in the government. If these three are involved and investigators find Natalee's body, they should be punished to the fullest extent. If they are not? Tourists from all other should boycott vacationing on that island!!
Posted by: SL | Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 03:13 PM
amazing......re:new evidence
Agrees with my previous entry. There are searches and then there are searches. It actually takes a very, very sensitive personality to discover crime evidence. Most searchers are walking through the woods with their minds on other matters. You must become part of the solution and place your mind in the minds of perpetrators.
Posted by: allen | Tuesday, June 14, 2005 at 05:12 PM
I think there are only two scenarios now: Mary has pointed both the scenarios..I believe the second scenario is more likely..unless of course you are forgetting Suriname..the two men are from Suriname and when I was there in 1989, I heard that the local brothels were looking for white women!
Posted by: GC | Wednesday, June 15, 2005 at 02:20 PM
WELL, NO NEWS TODAY TO AMOUNT TO ANYTHING.
GUESS IT IS TIME FOR THE FIRING SQUAD TO ASSEMBLE.
TAKE THE 3 GUYS TO THE BACK OF THE JAIL..
SET UP 3 POSTS. GET THE MENS WITH THE GUNS OUT THERE FOR THEM TO SEE. GET THE BLACK HEADCOVERS. TIE ALL 3 OF THEM TO THE POST. COVER THEIR HEADS AND GIVE THEM ALL 3 MINUTES TO SPEAK AND TELL THE TRUTH AND I BET THEY WILL BE HOLLERING TO TELL THE TRUTH. IF THEY DO NOT. WELL, THATS A DIFFERENT STORY...BUT I DOUBT THAT WOULD HAPPEN.
TRUST ME THIS WOULD WORK!! NOW GO TO YOU CORUPT GOVERNMENT OF ARUBA.......
FOLKS WE CAN NOT LET THIS DIE. NOT EVER.
THERE IS ONLY ONE TRUTH.
Posted by: MARY | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 12:30 AM
Anyone have any information / thoughts on the 4th man taken into custody today?
Posted by: Caddy | Friday, June 17, 2005 at 03:02 PM
On the tour boat 'Tattoo'; the owner said it has a security system. If it has a security system then it's got electronics on board. Wonder if there's a GPS system on it? A boat that carries the public on tour may a boatload of recording equipment including a GPS, and maybe even one that automatically switches on when the boat is started and records the activity, kinda like a black box. If that's the case, then there should be a record. The owner did state that the boat is docked @ midnight and the last crew-members leave around 1am. NH was last seen @ 2am. They may have had to take her far out to sea somewhere to dump her body for fear of it washing up on land. Just speculating. You FBI guys, I now you read this BLOG; threw the Aruba Police this bone if you haven't yet..
Posted by: Jojo | Saturday, June 18, 2005 at 01:39 AM
Anyone know what kind of boat the 'Tattoo' is?
Posted by: Jojo | Saturday, June 18, 2005 at 01:40 AM
Who said he took the big boat out? No one. Steve and the other 3 probably partied on the boat. When they got done with Natalle it was left up to Steve to get rid of her. He probably has a small boat of his own docked there. If she was killed. He probably took her out far enough to dump her in the part of the island where the sharks come.
If he did not kill her then she is off the island and has a new life til she can escape. Thats why Joran called him at 6:30 in the morning to find out if he took care of things.
They never went to the lighthouse with NH. Yeah the two brother dropped Joran off but Natalee was not with them. Then they went on home. All 4 and maybe even more know what happened.
This may never be solved. Not ever. Just like the girl that went missing In 1998.
Posted by: Mary | Saturday, June 18, 2005 at 07:51 AM
Natalee was a hot girl. They show a fablous picture of her in a black dress standing in front of a car (a prom photo) with a young man. Was it okay with her American friends (the young men) that she was kicking it with Joren? Those guys would have been all over her for hanging out with a local. The guy from the prom photo was in Aruba - didn't he have a releationship with Natalee? Did he get angry and follow Natalee and the three men? Did he hurt her when he found her on the beach (after Joren was done with her)? Have any of her American classmates been questioned as suspects?
Posted by: stella | Saturday, June 25, 2005 at 10:04 PM
FYI.
Yep...All of the classmates have been questioned.
The boy in the pic was a close friend. Many girls have friends that are male.
No ones knows what really happened that night. I doubt the "real" truth will ever be known or told.
Posted by: Mary | Monday, June 27, 2005 at 12:34 AM
Why did anyone not cache or save Joran's website(s) along with all graphic files on it???? If I had seen it, that would have been the first thing I would have done. I have seen critical things online before and the first thing I do is save them on my PC. Does anyone have a way I can see his web site??? Does anyone have the images saved that he had on there? Please describe the site with as much specific detail as possible.
Posted by: Derek | Tuesday, June 28, 2005 at 11:50 PM
BREAKING NEWS FOX......ON CASE.....
Posted by: Mary | Sunday, July 03, 2005 at 12:33 PM
I have noticed that the Natalee web in Aruba, where comments can be made, came off the board the same day the announcement was made the officials in the Netherlands found one of the Jamie Skeeters tapes to have been tampered with. I am not surprised by any of this. It appears to me, the authorities never intended from day one to solve this case. All they are interested in is the boycott will not work. The Twittys and Holloways deserve answers, but they wont be coming from Aruba.
Posted by: Joyce Clark | Monday, November 28, 2005 at 03:48 PM