Update: 4 PM

As Fox is now reporting, sources on the island recently informed me that there was a problem with a flight from Curacao to Aruba, causing a delay in an extension hearing for three of the boys held.

There is unconfirmed speculation on the ground at this time that one, or possibly two of the suspects could be released after that hearing - with more arrests coming tonight, or tomorrow.

Comments

[maine]

whatever- you certainly dont have "proud amercian character" that is for sure! You are pointing fingers the wrong way- and knowing her family and friends read here- you are a real piece of work to even be suggesting conspiracy- nice....

[maine]

plus- you obviously dont tknow the american insurance indusrty that well that is SOOO obvious as IF they would even be so stupid- use your head...

[jason]

From my knowing joran...while it does seem quite plausable that he was out to party and hopefully hookup with natalie he never and still doesnt seem like the type to harm, use, or slip any one drugs....i think until we get any facts because face it we have barely anyhting and most of what we have is sh** we should stop accusing him as much although all "evidence" does kinda end at him

[K.Jeanne]

I think Croes was called at the early morning hour to dispose of the body since he has a boat. Cell phone shows a call to him from JVDS around 5:30 AM? (Cannot remember exact time.) I think the brothers will be released, with Croes, Papa, and J VDS staying.

Having said that, if there are other arrests coming, then I think it's a whole new set of circumstances. Maybe, (God, I hope so) she is still alive and this was some sort of kidnapping. Or, perhaps others being arrested for helping with the coverup?

I haven't read all the responses about Dan's riddle, so don't know if it is solved, but I think the one with power is Beth Holloway. Her LOVE is power and drives this investigation.

[maine]

polonious is probably right - however sad - simple is probably right on

[sharon]

This is my first post. I have been reading and have not really theorized on what may or may not have happened. But, today, a thought occurred to me that I had not really considered until now.
Someone else may have alread stated this but here it is. I read on a blog somewhere today, but I don't know if it was confirmed or not, that PVDS was also in the casino the same day. Does anyone know if this was a fact or rumor? After reading that I wondered if maybe he(PVDS) had seen Natalee early and maybe wanted her for hisself, and just had his son do the dirty work?

[witch hunt]

Yes I think the ONLY reason PVDS was arrested is to force a confession from his son. He was not put in the jail as the other suspects were for weeks, he went straight to PRISON where his son is. This whole thing is like a freaking witch hunt led by the family and media. What about the rights of those arrested, they have none. And if they got acquited the prosecution gets an automatic appeal, they get a second shot at you! Happy I don't live in Aruba.

[maine]

i heard that it was impossible to just "take out a boat" i doubt a DJ has cart blanche to cruise around the "tatoo" to dispose of evedence- they would have been spotted, no way! more likely they called him for drugs- or to try to pin this all on him or soemthing- seems a shady character

[NO WAY ARUBA]

I won't travel to Aruba because I am afraid of being arrested for the disapearance of Natalee Holloway!

[maine]

aruba is beautiful and so are most of the people- they just grew to fast and got too money hungry..this will all be solved - people will continue to go there becasue it is lovely- but they had BETTER take policing and security MUCH MORE SERIOUSLY after this, admit that there is a lot of sex and drugs on this HAPPY ISLAND... ya know?

[Cindi in PA]

Mary,

I have thought that all along. Having 18 yr old daughters at the present time and yes, I am sure my daughters are not into some of the wild things kids are today. Do they drink?, they very well could, but I have never seen them come home drunk, and yes, I would know if they were under the influence of anything. I am also sure, Natalee is very much like my one daughter, smart, attractive, as I call her, a social butterfly. Everyone is a friend as she claims, sometimes only after a few hours of conversation. And yes, we have had the club conversation on occassions, I am not stupid to the fact that teens will try almost anything before it's legal. However, knowing the club scene my greatest fear is a date rape drug. I live in the burbs of Philadelphia, a nice small town where everyone just about knows you by first name. However, what is outside of town is very big city, and yes, date rape drugs are very common. And of course, my social butterfly is too smart and trusting for her own good. I believe one thing at the moment, Natalee was a trusting soul, and as sad as it is, that was her only fault. I can not imagine being her mother, I know how I freak out at the smallest insults or injustice placed on my own daughters.
She is a very courageous woman to say the least.

[Media Freak]

The fact is that Father VDS was arrested and is in costudy in the Noord police department. He will remain untill his 8-days terms expires, After that he will be moved to the Prison at the other end of the island.

[Cindi in PA]

American,

I suppose you also support the mind set of America at war in Iraq for oil. LMAO.

Your mind set is that of a criminal. Seek help as soon as you can afford it.

[Mary]

I find it strange that no one has heard a word from Natalee's mom since she did the interviews with after she met with the parents of Joran with Greta.
She did interviews but non after that and she was supsoe to go back the next day with Greta again and did not. Either she is grieving badly now and just does not feel like talking anymore or the lawyer advised her not to talk anymore. I just found this rather strange. Maybe one of the boys has spilt the beans and she knows that info.

You have to remember that there is "a lot" of information that we do not know that the police there have now.

Until that info is released which may be a very long time all we can do is speculate as to what happened to Natalee.

I would like to know more about the gambling at the Holiday Inn that same day. The dad was there and so was Joran. Was Natalee also there earlier in the day ? Almost none of the info from the students has been revealed about when they saw Natalee last.

I saw two interviews on TV with some of the kids.
One set said that Natalle and them were at a gambling table together. After that the ones with her then left. Now who did Natalle hang around with then from the group. One of the boys said she was dancing with Joran. That was all said about that. Then one of the girls talked to her outside of Charlies on the sidewalk and left. She said she asked Natalee was she alright. Nat. said yes and she was coming with the other group. Who was in the "other" group. None of them have spoken. What do they know. ??

This is when it all began. Someone knows something out of that group and we just do know know that info.

After that time then the whole tragic thing begans.

I know that the FBI has questioned all of the group and they have the answwers to these questions. That I think is a big key. Natalee's mom knows this info herself. She has thrown hints in her interviews about some of this and that is why she has made some of the comments she has made.

Just some observations. How do any of you feel about this. Also, that the dad was at the holiday inn earlier in the day. That just seems strange. Maybe that is one of the links as far as how he is involved.. Who knows.

[arubiano]

i am aruban and would like to express my sadness for the loss of beths daughter... i still hope that we find her and she is well and alive... but at the same time while i understand everyones is upset because we dont know what has happened to her and its quite scary exspecially for the parents, i do not appreciate everyone bashing aruba and making it seem like its the worst place in the world... just the other day in the us (fla) if in not mistaken, a 9year old was kidnapped and burried alive, things as grave as this happen all the time, it doesnt make the whole country nor all the people bad...arubans are some of the most warm people in the world we even take our time out of our lives and work to help and assist in the search...so please just ease down a bit on the slander of my island,our system, and our people

[K.Jeanne]

I thought Croes owns a boat/yacht of his own???

[ohionurse]

I also will not ever visit Aruba. Not because I fear being raped or murdered but because I could be arrested for "suspicion" of ANYTHING. SCARY!!!! Those being held definately have no rights. It's a bunch of crap!!!!

[Media Freak]

Croes does not own a yacht/boat of his own... sometimes besides being the DJ on the boat Tattoo, he also ferries people to and from the peer with a smaller vessel.

So, he has access to these small vessels.

[websleuth2]

AP SUMMARY OF TIMELINE

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050625/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/aruba_the_question;_ylt=AszEcdj5ROmsFXHDjHjyqc2s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTA3b2NibDltBHNlYwM3MTY-

By PETER PRENGAMAN, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 13 minutes ago

ORANJESTAD, Aruba - As the mystery of a missing Alabama honors student drags on, questions abound about Aruban authorities' handling of the Dutch Caribbean island's highest-profile case in decades.

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Why were the young men last seen with 18-year-old Natalee Holloway left free for days after she disappeared May 30, the last day of a five-day high school graduation trip with 124 other students?

Why did police wait 16 days after she went missing before searching the home of the Dutch youth who was flirting with her? Why did Aruban officials ask the FBI to send divers, who came to the island but never searched its waters?

Criminal experts say these apparent mishaps could make it harder for Aruban investigators to crack the case and may ultimately prevent the Holloway family from ever knowing what happened.

Attorney General Caren Janssen refused to comment on the criticisms, saying only: "I can't comment on the investigation until it's over. Investigators must be allowed to do their jobs."

Joran van der Sloot, 17, and Surinamese brothers Deepak Kalpoe, 21, and Satish Kalpoe, 18, were the last ones seen with Holloway, an honors student from Mountain Brook, Ala. Her passport and packed bags were found in her room.

After a night of eating, drinking and dancing at Carlos' N' Charlie's restaurant, the three men told police they took Holloway to a northern beach before dropping her off at her hotel around 2 a.m.

The three were questioned soon after she disappeared but were not arrested until June 9. At the time, Janssen said there were "tactical reasons," and there was speculation authorities hoped the freed young men might lead them to a clue.

That was an error, according to Joseph Pollini, a criminal justice professor at John Jay College in New York, where he spent 33 years as a homicide detective.

"Once released, it's problematic because somebody surely coached them," he said. "A lawyer wouldn't be worth his weight in salt if he didn't tell them simply not to say anything."

Pollini doubted any confession was now possible.

Instead, authorities arrested two former hotel security guards, apparently because the young men told police they had last seen Holloway in the car park of her hotel, being approached by a black security guard.

The guards, both black, were released a week later, and one, Antonius "Mickey" John, said that while in jail one of the brothers told him they had never taken Holloway back to her hotel but had dropped her off together with van der Sloot at a beach neighboring the Marriott Hotel.

Investigators led a massive and fruitless search of Malmok beach June 14.

Only the following day, 16 days after Holloway went missing, did investigators search the van der Sloot house, seizing two vehicles, computers and cameras.

"They should have immediately done a forensic sweep of van der Sloot's house, his car, his clothing, and done the same with the Surinamese boys," said Ron Watson, a retired Alabama police chief who runs a crime scene reconstruction business. "You've got 48 hours after a disappearance, after that you are in the red zone and may never find the person."

Police did not interrogate the Dutch suspect's father, Paul van der Sloot, until June 17. In a surprise move, they arrested him Thursday.

A court appearance was set Saturday for the father, who is a judge-in-training on the island.

Authorities also have arrested a 26-year-old party boat disc jockey, Steve Gregory Croes.

No one has been charged in the case.

Beth Holloway Twitty, the missing girl's mother, has said the younger van der Sloot and the Kalpoe brothers know more than they are saying. She also said before the elder van der Sloot's arrest that she might suspect authorities were protecting the son because of his father's standing as a high-ranking judicial official.

Aruban authorities have defended their handling of the case, saying meticulous police work takes time.

"You have to build up an investigation. You can't just go in there like a cowboy," Janssen said last week when asked why investigators waited more than two weeks to search the van der Sloot home.

There also are questions about efforts to find Holloway.

Aruban police, Dutch marines, seven FBI agents and thousands of tourists and locals have done island-wide searches that proved fruitless. Aruban authorities also appealed for the FBI to send expert divers. The U.S. agency sent two search-and-rescue divers, but they never got in the water.

"They never had any information like: she could be in this place or that area," FBI spokeswoman Judy Orihuela said. "That target would have come from the investigation of Aruban authorities because we can't investigate in a foreign country."

The decision not to dive was "bizarre," said Joe Huston, a rescue diver with Dickinson-based Texas EquuSearch. The volunteer group began a new search in Aruba on Saturday that was expected to include divers and sonar equipment.

"If her body was put in the ocean, there's a good chance now she'll never be found," Huston said.

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Associated Press reporter Jay Reeves in Birmingham, Ala., contributed to this report.

[ralf]

arubiano,

Bad things can happen anywhere, I think the frustration lies in the fact that things have gone on for so long and there are no answers.

The kidnapping and death of the poor young girl you alluded to had been solved in a short period of time.

[Kelli]

Justice for Natalee is all that's important now... :(

[Media Freak]

Anwering a question if released suspect can be detained again in Forum 12:

If you are released, you might be detained once again.

But every detention must be because of reasoble suspicion or evidence in order to do that. And even before doing any arrest, this evidence or request must be first presented to a prosecutor/fiscal for approval.

So you can just be arrester just by chance, however you can be called anytime for interrogation.

[Media Freak]

So you cannot just be arrester just by chance, however you can be called anytime for interrogation.

Oops.

[Dennis]

Arubiano,

The problem is not the lack of friendliness or concern of your people. It is the incompetence of your police.

[Mary]

arubiano ~ I do not think any of the regular poster here have slamed the island or the people there.
Most just have not understood why the boys were not held from the beginning by the police department there. Thats all. I am sure that your island is a nice place. I have never been there and if the police dept and justice department there get this case right in the end all will be okay in the end.

I for one would not want to go to a place where if something went wrong for me while i was there that the police and justice dept., government could not resolve it correctly for the family sake at the very least. If your government gets it right i do not think it will effect your Isalnd at all and people will continue to go there ad always.

This is no refelction on the "people of ARUBA" at all.

The government does need to work on the "drug" problem there. It is no secret about that.

[Professor]

I agree speculate that the simplest explanation is that Joran van der Sloot is a sociopath and that he was looking for a victim of opportunity on the night that Natalee disappeared. I believe he slipped her a date rape drug just before closing time, took her to the beach and either killed her or she died of an overdose.

It is the perfect crime for a sociopath. Wait until the night before a group is schedule to leave the island. Slip some girl a "roofie" right at closing time, and you're off to the races.

When you're done with her, drive her back to her hotel. She stumbles in, but has no memory of what happened. Eight hours later, she is on a plane back to the United States and is in no position to file a complaint. Besides, daddy can take care of things like that. Within 72 hours, there is no trace of the drug in her system.

Here is the profile of the narcissist (or sociopath) again. Since posting it, I have added evidence, rumor, and hearsay in parenthesis which is consistent with that profile.

A narcissist is usually the life of the party.

(Check the pictures of the parties Joran attended. He is always the center of attention. The life of the party.)

He/she makes superficial friendships easily, and is skillful at manipulating other people to get what he/she wants.

(Mommy, Mommy, if you hadn’t gone away to Holland, I would never have snuck out of the house. Interview of Anita and Paulus, by Greta van Susteren.)

He/she lives behind a mask, and can charming and even charismatic, when he/she chooses to be.

(Charming with the girls from MBHS, arrogant with the mother of Natalee.)

He/she is vain and extremely careful about personal grooming and cleanliness.

(Check the party pictures. Always impeccably dressed, even when partying. Has a preference for plaid shirts. Mother takes clean sheets to him, while he is in prison.)

Narcissists are normally above average in intelligence. They tend to be outstanding students, and excel in many areas, such as athletics and business.

(Fits Joran to a tee.)

The narcissist bends the rules. He/she knows the difference between right and wrong, but does not care, as long as he/she is not caught. He/she is skillful at not getting caught. He/she can be quite brutal or ruthless, but only when no one is looking. He/she sees other people almost as inanimate objects, to be manipulated.

(Rumor has it that Joran brags about his sexual conquests. Brags about using a date-rape drug.)

Narcissists are upwardly mobile, as a group, and seldom end up in therapy. It is usually the co-worker, spouse, or other family member who ends up in therapy. One of the reasons that the narcissist seldom ends up in therapy is because he/she is skillful at manipulating others, skillful at getting his/her own way, and because he/she not feel remorse for the pain inflicted on others.

(On the night that the Twittys first questioned Joran at his home, he pounded his chest and asked “What do you want me to do? What do you want me to do?” No sign of remorse. The same with the father, Paulus. At minimum, you would have expected the van der Sloots to show empathy over a missing girl.)

The narcissist normally comes from a narcissistic family. One telltale sign of a narcissistic family is one that is very permissive, and which feels that their son/daughter can do no wrong.

(Seventeen years old. Hangs out in casinos, even on school nights. When asked if Joran drank alcohol and did drugs, his mother said, “Oh, no. He doesn’t do drugs.” When Joran brutalized a younger brother, he was sent off to a YOGA AND MEDITATION class (sic), to help him control his aggression.)

Another telltale sign of a narcissistic family is a mother who collects a dossier on possible mates for her son/daughter, and finds that none of them are good enough.

( ? )

Of course, the extreme form of narcissism is the sociopath. Psychologists used to call them psychopaths, but they now call them sociopaths, because there is no psychosis involved. These people are not “crazy,” in the clinical sense. They do not suffer delusions, and they are in complete control of their faculties. They are entirely "normal," except that they feel no remorse for the pain inflicted upon others.

(Joran has finally graduated, and is now a full-fledged sociopath. When told that his father had also been arrested, he merely said, “I’m not surprised.” Now, that’s one cool cucumber.)

[susan]

arubiano -- I don't think Aruba is a bad place. I think if something happens to someone there, the local law enforcement doesn't know how to take care of it. What if NH was alive and hidden when it was found that she was missing? What if she died sometime after the search was started? What if she was hidden away somewhere that she couldn't get out of and died there? If, in any way that case could have been solved earlier, would it have led to a young woman who was still alive? So much time has passed that the sad thing is she could have been killed and there is no witness, no story, and time enough for a big cover up by the perpetrators be it the suspected ones or maybe others.
In the US, things would have moved very, very quickly. We have crime, but we find the criminals. I am afraid that because of the Aruban authorities bad handling of this case, we will never know who did it, or what happened to NH. It's so sad to think that possibly her parents will have to live with no resolution.
And that is why I will never go to Aruba. What if I had a problem there with crime? The police are inept. Never ever would I let my 19 year old daughter go there. Over MY dead body!
MichiganMom

[Kelli]

Professor,
WOW! Great information there.Thankyou very much and you're right,it does sound like Yoran..

[Mary]

Professor...
I think the whole family has a problem with this.
Maybe not as bad as Joran but they are in denial that Joran would do such a thing.

The dad is involved some way no doubt, but in what capacity we really do not know at this point.
We can only speculate on that.

[Jack]

@Dennis and many others

Incompetence of the Aruban police, just because this case hasn't been solved yet?

Then the American police must be "imcompetent" too:

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How many missing children are there?
Answer: The problem of missing children is complex and multifaceted. There are different types of missing children including family abductions; endangered runaways; nonfamily abductions; and lost, injured, or otherwise missing children. The best national estimates for the number of missing children are from incidence studies conducted by the U.S. Department of Justice's Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention.

To date two such studies have been completed. The first National Incidence Studies of Missing, Abducted, Runaway, and Thrownaway Children (NISMART-1) was released in 1990, and the second, known as NISMART-2, was released in October 2002. According to NISMART-2 research, which studied the year 1999, an estimated 797,500 children were reported missing; 58,200 children were abducted by nonfamily members; 115 children were the victims of the most serious, long-term nonfamily abductions called "stereotypical kidnappings"; and 203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=242
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So many missing cases in the USA, but the American media choose to focus on this case on Aruba. Unbelievable.

Whatever. I hope Natalee is still alive and that this case will be solved very soon.

BTW. This is very interesting. I quote the Aruban police:

"There are still THREE jigsaw puzzle pieces missing. If we find one of them, then we will get the other two."

Does anybody know what that means??????

[Professor]

I will go one step further and say that I believe Joran has done the date rape game before, on numerous occasions, and that there are lurkers at this forum who have been victimized by him in the past. Some of them may come forward in the days to come. And some may prefer to remain in the shadows. I cannot imagine what it must be like for them to see a girl like Natalee Holloway victimized in the same way.

[Kelli]

Jack,
Ever heard of geodraphical differences?You are comparing a peanut to a watermelon....

[coconut]

@susan about US cops finding the criminals, this recently happen in Florida.

Drifter says he held girl three days
Documents: Girl buried alive after police questioned suspect
But in his confession, Couey said he kept Jessica in a closet in his room while the Citrus County Sheriff's Office set up a command center not far from the mobile home.

He abducted the girl on the night of February 23 from her bedroom of her home, which is about 100 yards from the mobile home, police said.

Police previously said Couey confessed March 18, a day after he was arrested, and helped them find Jessica's body.

A large-scale search involving hundreds of volunteers had failed to find the site, only a few hundred yards from the Lunsfords' home.

He told detectives Jessica was alive when investigators came to the door while questioning neighbors about her disappearance.

"For some reason, they came to our house but they didn't come in and search, but I wished they would have cause they would have found her, but they didn't," he said.

Couey told detectives he placed her inside a garbage bag and that she lay down in the hole without a fight.

It is not different in the USA,

[NevadaMom]

I agree justice for Natalee and her incredible mother is the most important thing. How many of us if we were confronted with this horror would be able to go to another country and literally make a disappearance a national and international event. Natalee is anyones and everyone daughter, this has nothing to do with color or nationality. I think that the Aruban people have shown that they care however the police totally botched it. What in the world were they thinking??? to let the last three people to see a respectable tourist (notice I say respectable) go? If Joran and crew walk away then I suspect that tourism in Aruba will definitely suffer. I can only hope that somehow justice is served. Does anyone know a voodoo connection to put a curse on Joran and his family (just kidding but not really)
Makes you scared to go to Aruba unless you are willing to bring your own possee and justice system down there.

I think they (the VDs) messed with the wrong family.

[K.Jeanne]

Professor:

The fact that Joran has surely done "date rape" before has been a major thought for me...and I keep wondering why girls from the USA, feeling great empathy for Natalee and her family, would not come forward to report it now. Surely this would give them the courage and drive to see him pay for his assualts.

Thank you for your very interesting post on sociopaths.

[JustMe]

WTF, undet the Dutch legal system when a case is heard before a single judge then the defense has the right of an automatic appeal of a conviction. A new trial will then be heard by a three-judge panel "De Novo" (did I spell that correctly?) meaning that the slate is wiped clean and the trial starts from the very beginning. The prosecution also has the right to appeal an acquital.

Sorry if this has already been posted.

[edward]

I like Geraldo, I've never seen any of his

interviews. The man can really dig some dirt though. It would really be something if this

guy finds that rape tape. Also this guy will go anywhere and anything for a story. He isn't

everyone idea of whats PC but the world isn't PC either. I don't consider this

Gerta person interviewing the mothers of these boys news at all. We have mothers of serial

killers here in the States, telling us how great and wonderful there sons are. So that's just a

complete wasted of time as far as I'm concerned. I'd love to see this guy interview some of

these kids friends, the guy's with the gang signs or some bar tenders. Maybe go out and find

the people who sell the drugs or these lover boy guy's, get there perspective on what really

happens on that Island. I mean all we really know about this place is, they don't like crime to

be reported in the media - female tourist seem to get lost alot - good place to buy drugs -

great place to be if your under-age and like drinking - very bad place to go missing - locals

like to spam every message board out there, telling how great they are and we suck - There

justice system has new and strange ways of getting to the bottom of crimes, Frist they

arrest poor black man.

I would love to see this interview:
Geraldo goes inside the Aruba nightlife. Don’t miss what happened when he visited Carlos ‘n Charlie’s, the popular nightclub where Natalee was last seen alive.

[Media Freak]

NevadaMom "Makes you scared to go to Aruba unless you are willing to bring your own possee and justice system down there."

It's true, everytime you leave US, you'll have to follow laws and legal systems of the particular places you visit. If I do not want to take the chances or do not want to respect it, I'll stay home. Laws are even different in each states.

[susan]

I beg to differ. The police solved the case in the US. They found the body. I didn't say we don't have crime. I didn't say kids don't get murdered. I said our law enforcement agencies solve the crimes in a timely manner. I would not go to Aruba because the law enforcement agencies are incompetent. A girl is missing and they can't solve it. I think she'll never be found. In the US, there would have been a sweep of that island, DNA evidence, people interviewed. And what is with the 'confession' that was retracted? Come on! It smacks of a cover up.

And ye gads... what of Carlos and Charlies. Disgusting to see 18 year olds in that kind of environment. Couldn't the law enforcement clean that up too?

and Jack.. as to missing children, at least 90% of them are abducted by the non-custodial parent. I've attended seminars on this. There are very few missing children actually.
Research it.

We certainly have our problems in the US, but the problem is that it is evident that the case has not been handled properly. I stand on my this. The police did a horrible job and NH's parents will live with this nightmare, never knowing what really happened. Talk about a living hell. If this happened in the US, it would be a huge deal in the media, the ineptitude of the police is terrible.
MichiganMom

[Jack]

@Kelli. Geographical differences? In Alabama, there are more than 50 UNSOLVED missing cases. What have geographical differences to do with this? According to dennis, the Aruban police is incompetent because the Natalee Holloway case hasn't been solved yet. I just wanna remind him that lots of cases in the USA are unsolved. I'm sure Aruba is safer than Birmingham, I'm sure the Aruban police is not much better/worse than the FBI. And experts from the USA and the Netherlands are on Aruba too. Natalee's family/the FBI also think the Aruban police is "very adequate".

Some people want to boycot Aruba because of this case. It's just not fair.
a) Aruba is a safe place and a beautiful island.
b) Aruba is NOT a 3rd World country like Jamaica or Venezuela. It has a great legal system. A suspect can only be detained if there's evidence/strong suspicion that he/she has committed a crime.

[dave]

where did Minnesota Dad go? Wasn't his next great prediction that this case would be wrapped up by tomorrow. Calling Minnesota Dad...Come in Minnesota Dad. Please come back from your space ship.

[dave]

where did Minnesota Dad go? Wasn't his next great prediction that this case would be wrapped up by tomorrow. Calling Minnesota Dad...Come in Minnesota Dad. Please come back from your space ship.

[coconut]

@ susan

The day the USA police find Jimmy Hoffa or his body I'll agree with you.

[clueless]

What is wrong with Americans, you don't import our justice system when you travel. Don't travel, stay home, take care of your kids yourself.

[scary]

Aruba is going to throw someone to the wolves with no evidence, for this Alabama lynch mob.

[LornaD]

Arubiano, I agree your country should not be trashed over Natalee's murder. There are probably more murders on a single night in my city than in a year on your island. In the US, these people would not even be in jail.

However, police in my city would, I believe, have handled this far better.

Also, I must say to you that I have heard it said over and over and over again that this is shocking because such things do not happen in Aruba. Of course there are knee jerk opportunists who will call for boycotts etc. They just want to make a name for themselves.

I will also say this though; had Natalee's family not had the resources to raise such a ruckus and the media had not picked up on the story, Aruba would, I believe, been quite happy to shrug it off, and claim she probably just ran off.

[coolguy]

Does anyone know if Whoopi Goldberg has eyebrows

[coconut]

@ susan.
I'm not saying the Aruban police is not incompetent in handling this case. But to state that in US the police is never incompetent is not true. You're no better than anyone in the world.

Oké. Just came home from a gig. Gonna catch some sleep now.

[Jack]

@susan

Maybe you watch to much CSI?
The American police has failed to solve MANY (missing) cases. You have NO IDEA of how many missing kids you have in the USA... I have done my research. Check this site:
http://www.dps.state.al.us/public/abi/system/missing/children.asp

As for Carlos and Charlie's: what do you mean with "that kind of environment"? C&C is just a club. Most of the visitors are American tourists...

And the investigation I still going. You don't know whether the police did a horrible job or not, because the police has NEVER told us what they has done.

[susan]

Coconut, I thought of Jimmy Hoffa and almost mentioned that. That WAS in the 60's you know. We had so much less available to work with to hunt for criminals. And... you do know that there is DNA evidence of who he rode with last? That wasn't available then.
Where did I read recently that the story has been told by someone in organized crime, that he is under concrete. It was within the past year. Hmmmm.....
So are you suggesting that the NH case is done by organized crime? That's why it is so well hidden?

michiganmom