I realize that many people have been discussing some mysterious postings alleged to have some connection to Aruba and recent events. To be frank, I haven't read much of the material, nor do I anticipate doing so.
However, a reader has apparently done a great deal of research and writing on the topic. As some seem to be discussing it in great detail, I am posting the bulk of her materials sent to me in email. She has requested that I do not identify her and I am honoring that request.
Frankly, if someone were talking to me in some mysterious code purported to be revealing "secrets" to me - I'd sooner grab them by the neck and make them give it up, than ponder endlessly over what appears to me as incomprehensible, at best.
However, I do respect other viewpoints ... so, here goes.
Have followed with particular interest the riddles analyzed on SM and RWV. Some alternate interpretations may be useful, based on Internet research.
So much in the riddle messages points to raves and club drugs. Reference to "maze" is interesting: "Maze" is a drug invented by a character named Rave in a certain Marvel comic book, it seems. ((Will send a separate e-mail w. extracts and link.) Douf may mean pigeon in Dutch but it also could refer to a certain type of rave party that I read about on an Australian Web site. Very loud music DOOF DOOF DOOF.
The Australian site is an ABC radio interview w. ravers. Talks about aspects of rave culture and experience that seem relevant to NH case. For instance, talks about waiting around in a bar to hear where the party is, then heading out to it. This sounds to me very much like what NH, JVDS, and the two "shivas" were doing at C&Cs.
Australians also talk about danger of the drugs and overdose of young girl. (Will supply link and extracts via separate e-mail.) Other thoughts: the Arawak king need not be someone high in government. Could refer to drug kingpin--even Medellin or Cali cartel type. Could refer to the local head of the underground rave scene. Could refer to the DJ controlling the party by controlling the speed of the beats. Could refer to the yacht "King Arawak" which cruises in the Caribbean Sea but is based in Trieste.
If I were the Aruban authorities or the Holloways, I'd be very interested in knowing where that yacht is now and has been recently. I'd also like to know who is on it. Again, will supply links, extracts, via separate e-mail. Another thought based on Australian radio interview: raves are noisy. A noise complaint often ends the party.
If I were investigating, I'd check the police records for noise complaints that evening. I offer these bits of research and opinions for what they are worth. Please use them as you see fit. do not identify me in any way or post my name or e-mail address on the blog, unless you wish to add me to the list of those who wish the family well.
P.S. The "folly" line is interesting. To me, it means: "Go for the head of the beast. It is foolish to waste your time on the flanks, or sides, of the beast (jvds et al.) and their cover story." My personal opinion is that the vds cover-up is quite separate from the central crime, except the vds are scared to rat on someone and don't think they have to--e.g. "no body, no crime." I do think they know more than they are saying, but I don't think jvds killed NH.
If she died a drug-related death, as I believe, then whoever supplied the drugs or organized the party may be the person jvds doesn't want to implicate. I wish I had thoughts on Dirty Hand, but I don't, except that a DJ is very crucial to a rave. I'm surprised they let Croes go.
This is apparently from the Dutch newspaper Telegraaf
More willing to talk are some of Escobars men whom we contacted in Medellin. One of them knows a lot about the contacts between the Medellin cartel and Dutch drugs criminals.
This Ricardo tells us how members of the Medellin cartel have pretty much unchecked passage to Holland. "In Aruba we got great contacts with high level people." "An immigration guy who is able to provide us with legit Dutch passports, so we can travel the world free without any worries." The man tells us in wich bar in Oranjestad (Aruba) he meets the corrupt Aruban official and how much a passport costs: $50.000.
"Several of my friends traveled to Europe with an Aruban passport, such a passport is the ultimate cover for Colombians that have to go to Europe for business." Nobody tells us any names, if they do the Colombian cartel will surely kill them.
Our guy keeps his mouth closed when we ask what the Arubans officials name is. However Roberto Escobar does tell us that Vladimoro Montesinos - who recently has been arrested in Venezuela and delivered to Peru - has had close ties to the Medellin cartel when he was chief of the Peruan secret service. According to Escobar Montesinos took money from the cartel to finance the campagne to get Alberto Fujimori into the presidents seat of Peru.
"We gave Montesinos at his request 1 million dollars to finance the presidential campagne of Fujimori and I got proof." Montesinos would supposedly have met Pablo Escobar on a secret trip to Pablo's huge estate, Hacienda Los Napoles about 120 kilometres east of Medellin. Los Napoles was Pablo's most spectaculair villa, with 6 swimming pools and a zoo with hundreds of exotic animals.
There were enough bedrooms for 100 guests and Pablo even had lakes placed on his estate so he could water ski. Whenever he had guests he would show them his masterpiece: an American oldtimer from the 30ies, filled with bullet holes. According to Pablo it was the car once owned by Bonny and Clyde.
Russians and Cali cartel in Aruba
Maze was a psychotropic drug invented by Rave. . Detective Nick worked on the case for a long time and knew everything about it and the inventor.
He knew that most of the chemicals used for the drug were not illegal on their own, but when they were mixed they became a dangerous drug. The son of Detective Nick became insane through an overdose of Maze. --Marvel Comics Presents #141/4
House of Rave The House of Rave was the HQ of Rave. It was the place where the drug Maze was produced and distributed all over the city. It was also a lively disco with a huge dance floor and scaffolds. Cameras and sensors oversaw the whole place and traps normally finished off intruders.
Traps like the stairs that could be turned into a chute. There was also a room with holographic pictures that should distract intruders from the holes everywhere in the room from which spikes came out. Holographic pictures were also used in other rooms. The place was also a big bomb for the case that everything against an intruder failed. The explosive power of the House of Rave could've levelled a whole block. --Marvel Comics Presents #141/4
The dancefloor can be anywhere, a million dollar nightclub, a stadium, a warehouse, a car park, even a forest. The soundtrack will be strictly electronic, the atmosphere frenetic and affectionate.
Last year we had the Fantasy scare, or the GHB scare, on the Gold Coast, where ten people were hospitalised after using the drug. The year prior to that we had a poison ecstasy scare where it was one of the first times where PMA, paramethamphetamine, was identified as being sold as Ecstasy, which is a particularly toxic form of the drug.
We also had, very close to the weekend, the death of teenage school girl, Anna Wood, who died after taking an Ecstasy tablet. So, it tends to be the time of year where mini-disasters sort of like hit, and all of a sudden the whole of the media crashes down on dance parties, clubs and illicit drug taking as the source of all evil.
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Tell me about the music - what is it about the music? Same party-goer: Gets into your heart, you can feel it in your heart. Everywhere all around, because everybody is so happy, everyone gets along the same wavelength.
Because we're all here for the same reason, doof, doof, dance, dance, dance your heart out. Trance, psychedelic trance, hard core, yeah. Hard core, which is really doofy, you can dance to really well; and trance you can just lay down and trip out to.
Chris Bullock: Are you tripping?
Same party-goer: No, E-ing.
Chris Bullock: There'd be many people on E here?
Same party-goer: Yeah. I'd say so. I think it's a good thing, maybe other people don't. But I do.
Chris Bullock: What do you mean it's a good thing?
Same party-goer: Yeah, well it makes everybody happy, and they like it. It makes people like other people heaps, more than people would normally.
Chris Bullock: Are you having a good time?
Second party-goer: Yeah, having a wonderful time.
Chris Bullock: Why?
Second party-goer: Because I'm tripping.
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The third type [of party], the "doof", was coined more recently in Australia.
Doof party-goer: It's the sound, doof, doof, doof, doof ... the sound of the bass speakers going hard core outside, because you have no walls and things for it to bounce back and echo badly.... The music varies in speed, from 120 beats per minute, to 200 beats per minute. And although high b.p.m.'s, and repetitive beats are common characteristics, it's the feel, what's going on under the beat that differentiates. Electronic music styles have sprouted like shoots off the main stems of house, trance, hard core, techno and drum and bass. So you have happy house, hard house, and funky house, deep trance, acid trance, and goa trance, happy hardcore, industrial hardcore and killcore, garage, jungle and hardstep - to name a fraction. And each subgroup has a substantial following.
The master manipulators of the music are the DJs, John Ferris has worked as a DJ for more than ten years.
John Ferris: One of the things about the raves is that generally speaking because they weren't licensed, it was any age, and so you did have a lot of kids going there; which I didn't think was necessarily a bad thing at all. And the kids were generally the ones in Sydney that drove the music to particular styles as well, to the happy hardcore and the faster styles, 160, 170, 180 beats per minute.
Chris Bullock: What's the maximum you can go to until it just becomes a wall of noise?
John Ferris: About 210 beats a minute. I mean I've been to a couple of things where it's been that fast, and it's just like, what is the point! Nobody dances to that, they try and dance, y'know it makes it difficult. At about 170, 180 you can do a half time dance to it.
Chris Bullock: That's sort of taking it to it's limit is it?
John Ferris: Yeah, you do a reggae kind of feel to it you know. So you divide it in half. Happy hardcore uses as lot of samples, of other popular songs, whether they be TV themes, or a whole range of things like that, and speed them up. The emphasis is fully on the sound, and the overwhelmingness of the sound, and it completely takes control of people. That's the whole point of it. Physically you feel the entire bass and kick drum takes over your whole body, it pounds your body into submission I guess, is one way of looking at it. That's what it always felt like. And interestingly enough a lot of people who did take Ecstasy at these events would stand right next to the speaker box, with their head into the speaker box.
Chris Bullock: And do you know any of these people, and what they're hearing's like now?
John Ferris: Shocking, it's shocking, of course it is, yes. I mean they were crazy, you know. Most DJs are sensible and wear earphones, but the punters don't care.
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Chris Bullock: The excitement of a rave is not just in the music, it's in the journey, getting ready, getting there, being there, and getting back.
Alex: We used to get nervous, everybody says that we used to get nervous before we'd go and we'd all trek there on the train, and it would just be massive, and we would never know what to expect. Half the time we didn't even know where we were going.
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doofers met at a nearby pub and waited for word of the location. ... The crowd gathered around a portable beat box, from 10pm on a chilly spring night waiting for the sound system to arrive. Aleex explained why she was there ...
Aleex: Creating a publicity stunt, because like often when you try and have a doof outside somewhere the police soon enough turn it off, or tell us to turn it down because it's too loud, disturbing the peace apparently. It just takes one neighbour to complain about the noise, and we have to stop it, even though there could be 500 people enjoying it, one person can stop it.
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Chris Bullock: So this was a secret location, was there a reason for that?
Aleex: A secret location, oh no, this one in particular is not so secret. But you know no-one really knows the site until the last minute really, to throw off the scent like.
Chris Bullock: Who are you trying to throw off the scent?
Aleex: The authorities.
*******.
Chris Bullock: Party drugs are the basis for a good night for many people. And Ecstasy is the most popular. Some of those E'ing or tripping, are very young, 14, 15, 16 years old; powerful chemicals in developing bodies. It's not hard to understand why Ecstasy is so popular with ravers. The drug works by releasing large amounts of a neurotransmitter called serotonin, from the base of the brain. This extra serotonin makes a person feel euphoric, and energetic. In Britain, lab tests on rats have shown the drug not only produces hyperactivity but hyperactivity of a repetitive kind, a perfect match for the energy and repetitive beats of a rave.
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Chris Bullock: Describe some of them [places where raves have been held pe]. On beaches in the sand, in dunes, inland in dunes beside a creek, I've done it up in mountains, in high altitudes, I've done it in the Himalayas.
Chris Bullock: You've doofed in the Himalayas?
Aleex: Yeah, Menali Valley mainly.
Chris Bullock: Did you go to the Himalayas to doof?
Aleex: No. But I certainly indulged in it while I was there. I mean part of a good doof is the trip getting there.
Chris Bullock: And how long might that trip take?
Aleex: Oh, it's taken hours sometimes. But you do it at all hours, I've done ones that have started at three in the morning, or at six, or at sunset, sunrise.
Chris Bullock: And this one's starting fairly early at about ten, or it hasn't started yet.
Aleex: Yeah, it's really early. See most people usually come fashionably late.
Chris Bullock: The sound system arrived fashionably late, at 2am, after being held up by a flat battery on the truck. Then there was a scramble to get sound happening for the shivering crowd, who by that stage built a fire on the hill. The fruit bats in the fig trees didn't know what was about to hit them.
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I believe one other clarification may be useful. Various posters speak of "Babylon" in riddle e-mails with reference to the ancient city. I believe that the references to Babylon in those e-mails have to do w. Rasta. The usage is based on the ancient city but refer sin the more contemporary sense to corruption, politics, police, law, oppression, etc.
Extracts:
The term Babylon is used in Rasta terms with much negative connotations. It is something that they are radically opposed to. Corruption, politics, police, laws, and cities are often reffered to as"Babylon". Although it is possible to see these mechanisms as having qualities that are detrimental to the well-being of any society, there are elements of oppresion that take shape through these various creations of civilization. These mechanisms were created out of neccesity, else civilization would fall apart. (Note: It is quite possible that there are benefits of living in more natural, smaller bands of people, but we will assume that in the Mesopotamian era,
people valued the security and various facilities of city life.)
There are oppressive aspects of police, politics and laws that cause them to be labeled as Babylon, although it is not true to say that these insitutions where created with the intent of harm. The harm that is brought about stems from the institution's ignorance or insesitivity to the suffering that is created. Ignorance and insensivity are not always syncronous with evil and malice- many times they are the necessary first steps to wisdom and higher intuition. However, it is not my intention to defend these mechanisms of civilization, because it can be argued that these institutions are still oppressive, 4000 years later.
The materialistic nature of Ancient Babylon provides us with sharp
contrasting element to the Rastafarian Ideology. Rastafarian religion
places high value on the natural world as something that should be lived in harmony with, but not controlled. The Rastafarians believe that they should live their life as Jah intends is to be lived. The emphasis here is on the personal, subjective understanding of one's purpose in life. The ancient Babylon mentality that is prevalent today, has many contrary elements to Rastafarian ideology. For example, modern society values its members according to their wealth, and ability to work in a"professional"setting.
The Babylon mentality sees daily life as serving a utility, but does not place importance on the experiential and mystical elements of living.
Have at it inquirers of "Shango" and his cryptic messages!
Posted by: wreck | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 01:04 AM
My take on Shango and Simian
Natalee and her first boyfriend were in the casino gambling. It's on videotape. Her first boyfriend owns a gigantic house(wonder how he paid for it?) in the sticks where he has all night rave parties. The party goers have provided an alibi for their friend (he was with them)This boyfriend also owns a fancy cigarette speedboat (does anyone have any idea how much those things cost?) and 2 other houses. This boyfriend also is reported to be a major drug dealer.(hmm maybe thats where he gets all his money?) The police and politicians reportedly have their hands in the cookie jar of the drug trade. If the first boyfriend is arrested, he might name names. The cover-up is not for Joran, but for the first boyfriend...
Posted by: letsbefair | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 01:42 AM
Ponder this theory from Aruban blogger..
Girl comes to Aruba. Meets cool and crazy guy in C@$ino. Goes out with him. He declares that to be the case. Cant deny it. Its on tape. Everybody in the C@$ino knows the group of teens, they have been drinking in there for free the whole week.
After a couple of days girl meets another boy in the same C@$ino. Goes out with him. This makes first guy really mad. So mad he confronts second boy.
First guy never denies the affair. He knows they know he was with her. However, he has an airtight alibi. Some friends say they were at home with him. Until the morning.
How can this ever be solved?
Posted by: letsbefair | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 01:46 AM
Shango says,
The alibi needs to be broken. The party-go-ers need to be pressured. They have seen from the corners of their eyes. The house was dusted.
"the house was dusted" means that the rave party house was cleaned of evidence
"they have seen from the corners of their eyes" means that the party goers know what happened to Natalee
"the party goers need to be pressured" means that if these people are arrested they will start telling the truth
"the alibi needs to be broken" means that the party goers are covering for their host
can anyone guess why LVR was released?
and what was this airtight alibi?
Posted by: letsbefair | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 01:48 AM
Shango Says:
One straight path
to the house of Rave,
while of gold bricks
the road is not paved,
answers mysterious lie within
magical letters which spell sin
XTC DNA
Posted by: letsbefair | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 01:52 AM
Dan you are a whack. God bless free speech. God bless America.
dave
Posted by: daveness | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 02:59 AM
Finally, we are getting at the truth.
Posted by: proudredneck | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 06:08 AM
You people are nut cases. Pleez...
Posted by: Mary | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 06:16 AM
No, just trying to get the truth out here. The video in the casinos will not lie.
Posted by: proudredneck | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 06:39 AM
"and what was this airtight alibi?"
That he was home the whole night according to his friends.
Posted by: Sjaantje | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 06:54 AM
I have been reading many of the posts here and at SM. It came over me last night and maybe I'm just catching up..but, has anyone checked the marinas and boats around the island? On or off shore. I feel like there is a possibility that Natalee is still alive and being held for ransom. Ransom, not from her parents, but from Dirty Hand and the Aruban government. If drug smuggling and sex trading etc seems to be the larger income with someone in the government providing cover; why wouldn't an unpaid debt be the motive to hold a high profile American that would attract so much media attention and have the potential of draining the legal income of the island? Just my thoughts and ramblings. I have just been touched and bothered by the whole situation. My sister was murdered when she was 18 and when I first saw Natalee and her perfect eyeliner, the first thing that came to my mind was my sister. I pray for her safe return and resolution.
Posted by: Confused | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 08:18 AM
A girl called me once to talk. She asked me to pick her up, that she was concerned that she was involved in something bigger than she was capable of taking care of. I went to talk to her. I realized she was involved in something bigger than both of us. I wanted to befriend her, but I was no longer a teenager and would not risk my life to help her. I am no hero. Things finally came to a head. Fortunately for her, she is fine now. I think she married a man from Holland and has relocated.
Posted by: proudredneck | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 08:31 AM
This is an alternate reality, one that must be exposed to understand all the different scenarios that may have happened. The underbelly of the night life scene is not one that is understood or acknowledged by many people because it sounds
"too weird" or "out there". It must be considered to to rule out all possibilities. I thank all who have taken the time to research this line of investigation. It does seem that a person has disappeared into thin air. At the very least this vein of investigation helps others to understand that these venues exist..remember, Elizabeth Smart was seen going to Raves when she was missing.
Posted by: Selena | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 08:47 AM
Greta's show last night made it clear that the Aruban government is not capable of handling a professional investigation for numerous reasons.
And it is also clear that the FBI is not going to be allowed to meaningful participate for numerous reasons.
The only way a professional investigation could possibly be undertaken now would be if the Hague stepped in and did so. However, I would be surprized if that happened...if the Hague got more directly involved there is not much of a political upside for them but a lot downside potential...and the problems they would find would require them to be there long term which they probably would not want to do.
Posted by: Dman | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 09:03 AM
Oh, yes, the Hague who have so "successfully" prosecuted Milosovich and their star player is Hans Blitz, a/k/a oil-for-food scandals.
Posted by: proudredneck | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 09:25 AM
It's all starting to make sense now. Thanks, Dan, for putting this together! I pray to God that Natalee is found alive but I think the most likely scenario is she overdosed (unknowingly) and Joran is taking the fall for the drug supplier/rave host. Shango, please keep talking so this case can be solved!
Posted by: One-dog-lover | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 10:19 AM
The wicked kingdom of oppression that thinks of money as love and work as life. It shall be cast away, scutter, flutter, shut up, & scut up. Let the dead bury the dead, & let the dread be conscious in the head. For these are crucial times, babylon speaks of new world order, implanted computer chips, reintroducing mandatory school suits, laws & lays more bumbo klaat bloody ignorant laws.
How much control shall one have over another? Babylon wants total control!! They want your soul. They need your withdrawal of your true self for their plan of conquer to reign! They begin to brainwash you from the very start, and slowly, very slowly, you're mesmerized and captured by the beasts ways
Posted by: Key West | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 10:24 AM
I am starting to think that same thing one-dog-lover, Joran is covering for somebody else to save his own life. He probably took her to wherever. .rave party.. she od'd and he left her there for someone else to take care of things.. he knows something bad happened to Natalee.. but he can't talk or they will kill him and probably his family too.
Posted by: Sarah | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 11:05 AM
Well one problem. Natalee never hooked up with anyone the first three days or had a first b/f that is all crap.
Posted by: Justin T | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 11:40 AM
Babylon the bandit, dash in a bottomless pit...Babylon, time has caught up on you
Posted by: Key West | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 11:43 AM
For some reason, I believe in a few years time, Joran will become a drug addict (due to the psychological pressures). We might read a blip about him dying tragicly or committing suicide somewhere.
Posted by: Dead | Friday, July 01, 2005 at 03:05 PM
"I am starting to think that same thing one-dog-lover, Joran is covering for somebody else to save his own life. He probably took her to wherever. .rave party.. she od'd and he left her there for someone else to take care of things.. he knows something bad happened to Natalee.. but he can't talk or they will kill him and probably his family too."
I've been thinking the same thing for the past few days. It explains some of the loose ends and odd actions exhibited by some of the "players," in my opinion.
Posted by: Mary | Saturday, July 02, 2005 at 03:34 PM
"I am starting to think that same thing one-dog-lover, Joran is covering for somebody else to save his own life. He probably took her to wherever. .rave party.. she od'd and he left her there for someone else to take care of things.. he knows something bad happened to Natalee.. but he can't talk or they will kill him and probably his family too."
I've been thinking the same thing for the past few days. It explains some of the loose ends and odd actions exhibited by some of the "players," in my opinion.
Posted by: Mary Schroeder | Saturday, July 02, 2005 at 03:35 PM
"I am starting to think that same thing one-dog-lover, Joran is covering for somebody else to save his own life. He probably took her to wherever. .rave party.. she od'd and he left her there for someone else to take care of things.. he knows something bad happened to Natalee.. but he can't talk or they will kill him and probably his family too."
I've been thinking the same thing for the past few days. It explains some of the loose ends and odd actions exhibited by some of the "players," in my opinion.
Posted by: Mary | Saturday, July 02, 2005 at 03:37 PM
Is it me or is there a huge cultural abyss between perceptions in the states and on Aruba?
I'm reading these theories about her "first boyfriend" and his possessions, big house, big boat, blah blah blah blah...C'mon. She's there for what, four days? and she's hooked up with several boyfriends? Right. Stellar student and pre-med, full ride scholarship to U of A canidate takes post high school vacation with 125 fellow friends, classmates and parent chaperones to a tropical island looking for ...boyfriends? Because that Deepok and Satish are two hot hunks!!! Not to mention Joran Munster.
One word, two syllables, sounds like cupid.
Posted by: FloridaPatty | Saturday, July 23, 2005 at 01:18 PM
OK . . . so the restaurant had a band called "The Maze" . . .
Posted by: just_lurking | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 05:51 PM
ok Im here
Posted by: letsbefair | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:05 PM
Why are they so ADAMANT that this is crazy? It could hold some answers. We certainly have found no answers elsewher and I find it hard to believe that there is NO evidence yet.
17 year old boy in prison for almost 2 months. That is a lifetime for someone his age. He would talk if he were not SCARED to talk.
Posted by: letfreedomring | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:05 PM
I don't know if there anything to the Shango, it could be it's just general enough to fit into any scenario. Need to read through the whole thing. I remember someone posted about a boat named Mary that was seized or something a week or so back. They thought it might be the Mary that was not a virgin.
Posted by: just_lurking | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:06 PM
There's no evidence against Joran and the Kalpoes. Some people are more interested in hanging them, then they are in finding Natalee...
Posted by: letsbefair | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:07 PM
Freedom,
Did Joren actually say he was afraid for his life?
And I think everyone is just frustrated that there is nothing new about the case, everything that might have been a clue has been disproven.
I think the Shango is worth looking at. Anything is worth looking at at this point.
Posted by: just_lurking | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:08 PM
just,
I think "Mary whos is not a virgin" was a cute play on words describing Natalee.
I think the boat that was seized had to do with an email address in Deepak's pocket when he was a arrested.
Posted by: letsbefair | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:10 PM
I do think that Joren and the Kalpoes know something. Perhaps not involved as much as everyone thinks though. I would hate to see someone innocent take the blame. Also hate to see them get away with anything.
Posted by: just_lurking | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:10 PM
Hi you guys.
Hope you don't mind if I followed you over here...
I totally think there's something to all this.
If it's a problem, let me know... don't wanna interfere.
Posted by: BeFuddled | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:10 PM
Hey BeFuddled! The more the merrier! Just seemed everyone was getting a little upset about Shango posts over there.
Posted by: just_lurking | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:12 PM
I started reading the posts at scared monkeys early on looking for LVR info. It looks like Shango picked up on Simian's theory. (because Simians theory predates Shango) Simian said a lot of interesting stuff, you get the feeling when you read it that hes with the Aruban PD or knows someone there. He would predict arrests and releases without error.
Posted by: letsbefair | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:13 PM
"I think the boat that was seized had to do with an email address in Deepak's pocket when he was a arrested."
I didn't hear anything about this.
Mary not a virgin. Interesting choice of words. Guess maybe he was just saying she wasn't as innocent as everyone thinks.
Posted by: just_lurking | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:14 PM
The most interesting thing I've heard so far was that VDS told Nat's aunt that they had a witness on the beach, and that it might be true that Joran left her there.
Posted by: letsbefair | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:15 PM
Remember the post by Dan with the story from an unidentified source? I bet that's Shango.
OK . . . big question first . . . what do you think Shango's motivation in posting the information was (supposing it is real)? Why would a cop want to leak it out?
Posted by: just_lurking | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:16 PM
Shango Says:
June 26th, 2005 at 4:37 pm
To find answers, one must Google if smoke signals blowing in strong wind
Not sure what to do with this info.
Posted by: BeFuddled | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:16 PM
JL sent me a really interesting email too. Bug him for it.
Posted by: letsbefair | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:16 PM
Shango was well read and Simian too. Smart cookies having fun screwing with our heads. The stuff is all still there at scared monkeys. You have to go back to the end of June.
Posted by: letsbefair | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:18 PM
Strong winds? Trade winds? Hurricane? Just googled it, nothing stands out.
Posted by: just_lurking | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:18 PM
first.... i don't think it's smoke signals....
I think it's if the smoke signals that there is....
Posted by: BeFuddled | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:20 PM
"Shango was well read and Simian too. Smart cookies having fun screwing with our heads."
Yah probably. I would usually think that when people posting like they are in the know, it's for attention. But this time does that seem to be the case?
Posted by: just_lurking | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:20 PM
I think Shango was trying to say that he was sending up smoke signals. And that the other posters were the "strong wind". Arawaks were the original Indian tribe on Aruba - I found that out with Google...
Posted by: letsbefair | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:21 PM
BRB... hubbie just got himself into a hornets nest...ouch
Posted by: BeFuddled | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:21 PM
"I think Shango was trying to say that he was sending up smoke signals. And that the other posters were the "strong wind"."
Ahh ok.
Posted by: just_lurking | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:23 PM
Simian had some good stuff. Early on he didn't post in riddles and you could see it starting. I don't know why. Maybe he was scared of retribution. He pointed the finger straight at LVR. And a lot of other Aruban bloggers too. I guess LVR is a major drug dealer.
Posted by: letsbefair | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:23 PM
Well . . . the longer they go without evidence, the more I think that some really knowledgable people are involved. People knowledgable in disposing of bodies and evidence.
Posted by: just_lurking | Saturday, July 30, 2005 at 06:26 PM